[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

 Y’all are going to disagree, but that’s okay.  I think Harriaon Barnes should be considered for the #1 pick in the draft.  I love Anthony Davis and I think he is going to be great bit I think Barnes will be better

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

 It got cut off but here is the whole thing..

 

 Y’all are going to disagree, but that’s okay.  I think Harriaon Barnes should be considered for the #1 pick in the draft.  I love Anthony Davis and I think he is going to be great bit I think Barnes will be better. I see Davis being a versatile player who will be an All-Star but so will Barnes.  There isn’t a team in the league where Harriaon Barnes doesn’t fit in.  His game will mesh with every team he goes to.  Put him with the Cavs and you have one of the sweetest young combos in the league.  The Wizards need his skill set to finally be a complete team and he fits perfectly with Wall.  The Bobcats soulf be drooling over this guy because he instantly fills their biggest hole. 

 

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

There was more..  My freaking phone keeps cutting stuff out..  Y’all get the idea though..

I think his play in the tourney will show everyone that he is a cant miss player.  He is Carmelo without the attitude and that is a player that everyone needs..

[Anton123Participant]

I see Barnes have the same problems that Wes Johnsonis having – he has a sweet stroke, is a great athlete, but isn’t too good at creating his own shot and likes to defer to others. They are actually quite similar

He has almost no leadership qualities, but I still like him, I hope he handles the transition to the NBA well and I hope a team will try to boost his confidence, because I think that is what he often lacks 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

the8thdeadlysin,

I think it will depend on who gets the first pick.  I think Anthony Davis would be great with Cousins in Sacto, Detroit with Greg Monroe, on the Bucks next to Bogut, and in Golden State with Ellis-Curry-Lee.  If the Cavs get the first pick then it could go either way but Davis would be a nice guy who could initiate fast breaks with blocks and rebounds and also throw down Irving’s alley oops.  

The Wizards might be a better fit for Barnes since Davis duplicates what Javale already brings to the table. 

The Bobcats need help everywhere.  They have Biyombo and even Tyrus Thomas so maybe they go with Harrison Barnes as a scoring 2/3 or even MKG.  But, they could still look at Anthony Davis to form a nice young inside rotation of Davis, Biyombo, and Mullens.  Biyombo is also a good shot blocker but he is bigger and might project out as a better rebounder so I am not sure that they duplicate each other’s games.  Both are raw on offense with Biyombo being a big man dunker, but Davis has some nice length and is pretty fluid so I think he can be a guy with a decent face up game who can drive a little and do some spinning hook shots.  The best thing is that Davis isn’t a guy that will clog the middle on offense.  He mainly plays off the ball for dunks and put backs and he can make a quick move to slash to the goal.  On defense, Biyombo can stay at home with Davis playing the weak side for blocks, steals, and rebounds.  Mullens would be the first big off the bench and more of a scorer, but he could play with either Biyombo or Davis.

The Bobcats are pretty bad, but they seem to have a decent future if they can find guys to play with Kemba Walker and Bismack Biyombo.  They need a great draft this year as well as next year (they are AT LEAST two more guys away).  They either need a guy to pair with  Biyombo and Mullens or a superstar wing.  Barnes will be nice, but maybe not a superstar.  They could take Davis this year and have their frontcourt of the future.  Then next year go with a wing player especially since one of these guys might stay another year: Will Barton, Tony Wroten, or Adonis Thomas.  There should also be some solid guys in the 2nd round so they might be able to pick up Draymond Green who could play a bit at the 3 and some 4. 

Barnes looks like a nice player, but perhaps not a superstar.  More along the lines of a Sean Elliott, Steve Smith, Joe Johnson, or Luol Deng.  Outside the top 4 I think he has great value, but at one you have to look at Anthony Davis.  Outside him the Bobcats should look at Perry Jones (upside) and MKG (a high-motor Iggy type who could fit in very well with Kemba and Biyombo, then surround those 3 guys with shooters and role players).  

Barnes makes a lot of since for the Raptors.  They already have Bargs up front and are getting Valencunias.  They have two good athletic wings in DeRozan and Weems so they could really use a pure shooter, scorer, and a good character guy in Harrison Barnes.  This is probably the best fit for Barnes.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

WOW! I Cant believe a Solid Poster like Anton123, is Comparing Barnes to 1 Dimensional Wes Johnson..Wes Johnson is just a great athlete with an outstanding Jump shot and nothing else……Barnes has a much better feel for the game…I agree that Barnes still could use some improvement with his ball handling and getting teammates involved..But it wouldnt surprise me at all if Barnes averaged 20 pts a game as a rookie….

[cabbycabParticipant]

I see what you are saying, but the 1st pick should be expected to be an all-star.  In fact, 1st pick should be projected to be all-pro first team ect.  I don’t think Barnes is that good.  I think the site’s comparison to Luol Deng is a very good one.  Deng is heck of a player.  Just not a #1 pick.  Just my opinion.

[seniokasParticipant]

I was looking at the nbadraft’s mock draft and thinking the same. It depends on the team but there is no doubt that lottery winners will have hard times to decide who to take.

I haven’t seen many UNC games this season but from watching the last 4 they played I can say that playing in the Roy’s system and generally in the NCAA hinders him from being the player he is capable to be. Not exactly hinders but lack of iso’s certainly doesn’t help to reveal his strengths.

In the whole ACC tournament I did see him getting the ball in midrange area like two times. I think that’s where his offensive skillset, size and strength would shine the most. Just imagine someone with Bryant’s midrange skills and 6’9 ( He is 6’9 in shoes according to Lebron James camp measurements ) , thats nasty…

Also,  I strongly feel that people underestimate his handle and ability to drive. At least at the ACC tournament he showed good handling and atacking skills the problem is that there almost always are two UNC’s bigmens in the post and their defenders plus other defenders always are ready to trap or double UNC’s bigs and there is not much space to atack the basket.

Still I’m an UNC fan so my opinion is not unbiased but Barnes is an unique player with almost unlimited offensive potential and great worth etic along with self confidence which is near cockiness which I personally consider almost a neccesity for a great player.

Finally, it’s better to wait for the tournament than we will see.

[scott3210Participant]

I like Harrison Barnes as a solid or as a "half-star" in the NBA (I think Sean Elliot or Glen Rice), but I just do not think he is a guy that can be a superstar like AD can.

[Future_Scout]

i don’t think barnes is carmelo without the attitude. melo might just be the toughest 1 on 1 scorers in the league and barnes cant do much on ISOs. also 20ppg as a rookie? don’t think so, there are currently 14 players averaging 20 points.

with that said, i was thinking he could go 2nd. say if washington gets the num.2 pick should they draft drummond????? another knuckle-head next to wall & co.

[UNCbasketballbumParticipant]

AD is a game changer on the defensive end.  I’ve never seen a guy block or change so many shots though the course of a game.  Depends on what team gets the number one pick.  Washington needs a high character guy like Barnes with a great work ethic.  Bobcats need an athletic wing, they already have Biyombo and Barnes would be a hometown favorite.  Sacramento would be a monster with Cousins and Davis up front. Love Barnes, but you definitely have to give the edge to Davis.

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

Yes, Barnes has a lot of potential but I haven’t seen proof of that potential. He struggled for the first 11 games last year, then all of a sudden once Marshall became the point guard, he began to prove that he can reach that potential. Notice how I said once Marshall became the point guard. This means that he is dependant on a true point guard, like Marshall, in order to reach that potential. What if the team he goes to has no true point guard? Like the Bobcats or the Hornets, then what? He would most likely play like he did when Drew was the point guard at UNC, which wasn’t that impressive.

Another thing to consider, even this year with Marshall being the point guard for the whole, he hasn’t been that impressive. In all of the games that I’ve seen of him, he hasn’t been dominant. He’s had good games, but he hasn’t shown me something that I don’t already know. Maybe that’s because UNC is a loaded team and so he doesn’t need to dominate in order for UNC to win, but if he hasn’t shown me that yet, then how can I know that he can? If he goes to Bobcats or the Hornets, he’s going to need to dominate like he has never done before at UNC, can he? Since I don’t know, I have to assume that he can’t until he proves it.

Davis has all these things. He’s been impressive and dominant without a true point guard, and sometimes even without a point guard whatsoever. (there have been games this year where Teague has basically disappeared) Drummond has a ton of potential, he just hasn’t shown it yet because he is being used ineffectively at Uconn.

Right now I’d say Barnes is more like Paul Pierce. Davis though is more like a mix of a young Marcus Camby and Kevin Garnett. I’m not even going to compare Drummond, because he’s has yet to prove his potential because he is being used ineffectively. Paul Pierce is not, nor ever was on the same level as a mixture of a young Camby and KG.

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

Yes, Barnes has a lot of potential but I haven’t seen proof of that potential. He struggled for the first like 18 games last year, then all of a sudden once Marshall became the point guard, he began to prove that potential. Notice how I said once Marshall became the point guard. This means that he is dependant on a true point guard, like Marshall, in order to reach that potential. What if the team he goes to has no true point guard? Like the Bobcats or the Hornets, then what? He would most likely play like he did when Drew was the point guard at UNC, which wasn’t that impressive.

Another thing to consider, even this year with Marshall being the point guard for the whole year, he hasn’t been that impressive. In all of the games that I’ve seen of him, he hasn’t been dominant. He’s had good games, but he hasn’t shown me something that I don’t already know. Maybe that’s because UNC is a loaded team and so he doesn’t need to dominate in order for UNC to win, but if he hasn’t shown me that yet, then how can I know that he can? (high school is not the same as college and it certainly isn’t the same as the NBA. Just because someone was dominant in high school does not mean they will be dominant in college or the NBA, so don’t even bring up that argument.) If he goes to the Bobcats or the Hornets, he’s going to need to dominate like he has never done before at UNC, can he? Since I don’t know, I have to assume that he can’t until he proves it.

Davis has all these things. He’s been impressive and dominant without a true point guard, and sometimes even without a point guard whatsoever. (there have been games this year where Teague has basically disappeared) Drummond has a ton of potential, he just hasn’t shown it yet because he is being used ineffectively at Uconn.

Right now I’d say Barnes is more like Paul Pierce. Davis though is more like a mix of a young Marcus Camby and Kevin Garnett. I’m not even going to compare Drummond, since he has yet to prove his potential because he is being used ineffectively. Paul Pierce is not, nor ever was on the same level as a mixture of a young Camby and KG.

[HAMingtonGoiN11Participant]

like you all said it on who has the 1st pick. But I do feel like Harrison Barnes is worthy of the 1st pick.  He’s a 6’8 small forward, has range on his jumper, quickness to get around defenders and a throw back mid range game and pay close attention to how good he is off 1 dribble 2 max! that’s what i love most about his game. His only weakness is his ball handling in my eyes and with one on one NBA work that Will Improve. 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

"Wes Johnson is just a great athlete with an outstanding Jump shot and nothing else"

Damn I wish that part was true

[UNCbasketballbumParticipant]

Barnes hasn’t had to assert himself much on the offensive end this season.  UNC has had Zeller dominating inside and UNC allows their big men to get touches inside first before they kick it back out.  If Barnes was playing on a lesser talented team, he would be more aggressive with his offense.  This affects his draft stock in a way.  He hasn’t developed a killer instinct yet.  If UNC wants to win the title, Barnes will have to play the best ball he has since he came to UNC and be much more aggressive. 

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