I totally agree with Tezo and TOL-23 on this. I see this constantly on this site where posters use the "but they played against unathletic 6'6 white guys" excuse (which is untrue btw). People have to understand that back then they didn't have the advancements in training and medicine that they have now and besides there were lots of athletic players back then, they just played a different style. It seems illogical to think that super-athletes didn't exist until now like it's some new step in evolution. "Hot dogging" as they put it was frowned on majorly back then. Hell, the reason why set shots were so popular in the early days was because if your feet left the ground while shooting, expect to get kicked in the legs by the opposing players. Basketball is constantly evolving and in 30 years they'll probably be playing a different style than they do now. I actually ranked Russell ahead of Jordan because i believe his 11 championships will never be replicated. Now i'm taking anything away from Jordan who i loved watching play, but i have to appreciate and respect Russell and the other players from pasts' accomplishments.
If you go by eras and domination then #2 of all time has to wilt his career averages are something retarded there something like 30ppg 23rpg 4.5apg! And one season he even averaged like 50ppg 25rpg wtf! But he played against centers at the time that were like 6'8.... But if you truly know basketball and respect it I would say its a toss up between Kobe and Magic right now. They played in eras where the teams were more balanced and the league was more competitive But when Lebron's career is over I think it will more than likely be him you can't deny his game he has it all regardless of the meltdown this year.
Am I the only one who thinks Hakeem is overrated? I mean he only has 2 rings and been to the finals twice... One MVP and didn't win ROY even though he was picked 1st. When he did get those rings he played on stacked teams. Penny and Shaq were young with Shaq not being as dominate offensively like in L.A... The Dreams block shots "SOUND" impressive, but since yall love stats so much "BLOCKS" wasn't even counted back in Wilt and Bill Russell days... His post game "LOOKED" great, but wasn't dominant... He was over shadowed, because the most relevent Center of the Era as far as I can remember was Ewing... But it might have been East Coast bias too "Knick Games"... At 7 foot, 250 and Wilt being 7'1 250 I don't think the Dream had an advantage at all... And yall forgetting how athletic Wilt and Bill was... Wilt used to dunk his freethrows!!!!!
And no one is mentioning Kareem EVEN Wilt said Alcindor was THAT great... Out of Magic and Kareem who has the most rings? MVP's? Numbers? And that Rookie finals MVP? If Kareem didn't go down with a sprained ankle in game 5 HE WOULD HAVE 3 FINALS MVP's... He was averaging 33 points per game... Go do your research on that Legend...
Kobe and Magic... If yall gave Kobe hell for having Shaq on his team, why NOT Magic? He played with Kareem his ENTIRE career (THE 2nd GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL-TIME), Big Game James Worthy (MVP), Norm Nixen, Bob McAdoo (MVP), Jamaal Wilkes, and Michael Cooper... ALL All-Stars (But Cooper, Defensive POY tho)... Kobe had Shaq, Pau, Artest, Rice and Malone/Payton (which shouldn't count).
Now, I'ma say they are even in the stats and jewelry department... So they even right? Look closely at their games... Kobe NO HOLES, Magic No Jumper, Defensive liability... KOBE wins for me!!!
I am always one of the loudest when it comes to shouting DO NOT compare players of different eras. I still do NOT believe Wilt would be as dominant, if dominant at all. But thats why you should NOT compare.
Its more than just modern medicine and training....look closely...SKILLS have evolved. Magic wasnt all that athletic. Being a 6'9" PG with skills or a 6'6" guard like Jordan, or even today, a 6'8" 275lber like LBJ or 240lber like Joe Johnson WITH SKILLS has nothing to do with training...hell you can look at guys like Anthony Davis and see that. Players are 6'11" with guard-like skills before they ever hit a weight room.
If they were back in that day, they would have the skills that were developed at that time, they would be post guys, not primary ballhandlers. There were great athletes back then, so thats not an excuse, its just that there were a lot of athletes with no skills and a lot of skilled players with no athleticism. The ones with the best set of skills and athleticism mixed stood above the crowd.
Thats not to say that training isnt advanced now, but , as the game evolved, bigger players developed different skillsets to match that athletic acumen. Magic started a trend if you will, he broke sterotypes and prototypes. Then everyone that watched him growing up wanted to be like him, no matter how tall they were. Magic truly transcended the game like no other...not to mention, if it werent for him and Bird...the NBA wouldve been outta business.
We suppose to give him some type of lead way on the list? If that's the case Penny should be somewhere up there too... If you recall PENNY is probably one of your favorite NBA player's favorite player... I give Magic credit, but people don't realize how he threaten to go back to Michagan State if he didn't go to the Lakers... I love Magic absolutly LOVE Magic, but I can't be "Bias" because what he's done for the game... Wilt made the game watchable, Bird-Magic made the game competitve with flair, Jordan took it to a new arena and LeBron is bringing it back... But it's not a popularity contest brother...
Skills = envolvement of the game... Every generation adds things to the game unlike before... But STILL you have to include those players and their ERA... Wilt wanted his stats sooo bad... At 7'2 250 running like a gazelle in today's league WANTING to score 50... You think Wilt wouldn't be effective? If Shaq, D. Howard, Amare, or whomever had the DESIRE to score 50 like Wilt did, then it would be a different story... Wilt LIVED for his stats, hell he refused to foul out EVER!!! a 7'2, 250, fast athletic dude like Wilt TRYING to score 50 will have a place in today's league... Name the Top 5 centers playing today.... I'll wait........................................