[paradigmnParticipant]

 Amazing what 1 inch can do to a perception of a player.  I just noticed that Aran has JARED SULLINGER at 6’10” 281 instead of his 6’9” height that I’ve seen listed everywhere else.  Seeing him listed at 6’10” really POPPED out at me for some reason.  Weather he grew an inch or not, I don’t know.  I always liked Sullinger but was never confident he could be a star in the NBA.  He is a great talent and obviously should be a lottery pick if he decides to come out this year.  This is obviously my opinion, but seeing him listed at 6’10” instead of 6’9”, while it doesn’t entirely change my views about him, it does make him seem like a much better prospect than he once was.

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

thats what she said (sorry i had to) 

 

but ya ive thought about this its kind of strange how my confidence in a players ablity increases when a center for example is listed at 7 rather then 6-11…or when a pg is listed at 5-11 he seems much shorter then a guy listed 6 but in reality they are an inch diferent.

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

thats what she said (sorry i had to) 

 

but ya ive thought about this its kind of strange how my confidence in a players ablity increases when a center for example is listed at 7 rather then 6-11…or when a pg is listed at 5-11 he seems much shorter then a guy listed 6 but in reality they are an inch diferent.

[GrovesinternationalParticipant]

the ‘biggest’ inches for me seem to be between 6’0" and 5’11" for a PG, 6’10 to 6’11" for a centre and 6’6" to 6’7" for a SF

[GrovesinternationalParticipant]

the ‘biggest’ inches for me seem to be between 6’0" and 5’11" for a PG, 6’10 to 6’11" for a centre and 6’6" to 6’7" for a SF

[ghrghrParticipant]

 6’9 to 6’10 is HUGE in my mind. 6’10 lets you play center without everyone calling you undersized.

It’s kind of funny when you think about it. the difference an inch makes in my mind.

[ghrghrParticipant]

 6’9 to 6’10 is HUGE in my mind. 6’10 lets you play center without everyone calling you undersized.

It’s kind of funny when you think about it. the difference an inch makes in my mind.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 Well when you really think about it the difference between 6’9 and 7’0 is maybe a forhead which isn’t really going to give them an advantage.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 Well when you really think about it the difference between 6’9 and 7’0 is maybe a forhead which isn’t really going to give them an advantage.

[PlatypusParticipant]

yes one inch makes a difference but the biggest difference is hustle. look at all the undersized players in the league, just to name a few; Jason Maxiell, Chuck Hayes, Brandon Bass, and Joel Anthony. what do all these players do to stay in the league is hustle

[PlatypusParticipant]

yes one inch makes a difference but the biggest difference is hustle. look at all the undersized players in the league, just to name a few; Jason Maxiell, Chuck Hayes, Brandon Bass, and Joel Anthony. what do all these players do to stay in the league is hustle

[laarethekingsParticipant]

It is funny we think like that cuase when have you seen an Nba player block a shot with his head? Look at a guy just drafted Bismack Biyombo… Guy could play Center but everyone would say he’s undersized. Why? He’s about 250 only 6 foot 9, but again his standing reach is 9 foot 3 and wingspan is 7 foot 7…

[laarethekingsParticipant]

It is funny we think like that cuase when have you seen an Nba player block a shot with his head? Look at a guy just drafted Bismack Biyombo… Guy could play Center but everyone would say he’s undersized. Why? He’s about 250 only 6 foot 9, but again his standing reach is 9 foot 3 and wingspan is 7 foot 7…

[B FreeParticipant]

In case you missed it he changed his height because he measured in at the Amare skills camp at 6’10 which is a nice surprise.

[B FreeParticipant]

In case you missed it he changed his height because he measured in at the Amare skills camp at 6’10 which is a nice surprise.

[flybobbyflyParticipant]

8th deadly sin wrote a great post about how much difference an inch can make. this might have been a year ago let me see if I can find it…

 

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/lets-talk-about-inches

[flybobbyflyParticipant]

8th deadly sin wrote a great post about how much difference an inch can make. this might have been a year ago let me see if I can find it…

 

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/lets-talk-about-inches

[MkadozaParticipant]

 It really varies per position.

Pg would be 5’11-6’0. Shooting guard 6’4 to 6’5 (See Dwayne Wades real height). SF, 6’7′- 6’8"( See Carmelos Fake Height). PF is definitely 6’8-6’9 (See every tweener to enter the league.). Center to me is 6’10 to 6’11. Amar’e 6’10. Turiafs 6’10. Al Jeffersons 6’10. Al Horfords 6’10. Blake 6’10, Odom To me, I want them at power forward. Dunca, Nene, Howard, Deandre Jordan, Noah, to me it seems like onces you you hit 6’11, if your your away from the basket, your wasting my time.

Wingspan>>>>>Height everyday tho.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 It really varies per position.

Pg would be 5’11-6’0. Shooting guard 6’4 to 6’5 (See Dwayne Wades real height). SF, 6’7′- 6’8"( See Carmelos Fake Height). PF is definitely 6’8-6’9 (See every tweener to enter the league.). Center to me is 6’10 to 6’11. Amar’e 6’10. Turiafs 6’10. Al Jeffersons 6’10. Al Horfords 6’10. Blake 6’10, Odom To me, I want them at power forward. Dunca, Nene, Howard, Deandre Jordan, Noah, to me it seems like onces you you hit 6’11, if your your away from the basket, your wasting my time.

Wingspan>>>>>Height everyday tho.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Thanks for the shouting flybobbyfly!

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Thanks for the shouting flybobbyfly!

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 Don’t worry Jay Bilas told me all about Biyombo’s wingspan.  

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 Don’t worry Jay Bilas told me all about Biyombo’s wingspan.  

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I have too admit, when I see an SG is 6’6 instead of 6’5, and a PF is 6’10 or 6’9 instead of 6’8, it does pop out. Being over the 6’10 barrier has become more and more acceptable for Centers, but inches can make a difference too a persons initial perception. Still, I am a little sceptical over Jared Sullinger’s move up on the scale of inches. While I think those who question as to whether Sullinger has prototype PF size and length are barking up the wrong tree, because he does, I would be pretty surprised if he was indeed measured at 6’10 during the next draft combine. The reason for my skepticism? Well, if you go too the site, they say that players were indeed, measured with shoes:

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/wp-content/themes/inside_bb/images/elite-youth/pdfs/Amare-College.pdf

Now, I understand that the combine, you get measured with and without shoes. But, I do question as too whether shoes can not sometimes give a little more height too a player. Mark down the fact that some of the Nike camp measurements from last year were a little skewed, especially in the wing span department, than I do not know if I feel comfortable in calling Jared Sullinger 6’10. Does he have PF size? Absolutely, I think he has prototype size for the position. But, that 6’10 does make you look at him a little differently. Also, why was Thomas Robinson still listed at 6’9, he was measured as 6’10 as well (as of today, he is 6’9 in his profile). I think it might be safer too say Jared is below 6’10 than above, not that it would do much too his draft stock either way. If you want a PF that will rebound and is ready to bang right away, you are taking Sullinger. Just do not expect him too have much of a height advantage, as it will be more size that gets him positioning.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I have too admit, when I see an SG is 6’6 instead of 6’5, and a PF is 6’10 or 6’9 instead of 6’8, it does pop out. Being over the 6’10 barrier has become more and more acceptable for Centers, but inches can make a difference too a persons initial perception. Still, I am a little sceptical over Jared Sullinger’s move up on the scale of inches. While I think those who question as to whether Sullinger has prototype PF size and length are barking up the wrong tree, because he does, I would be pretty surprised if he was indeed measured at 6’10 during the next draft combine. The reason for my skepticism? Well, if you go too the site, they say that players were indeed, measured with shoes:

http://inside.nikebasketball.com/news/wp-content/themes/inside_bb/images/elite-youth/pdfs/Amare-College.pdf

Now, I understand that the combine, you get measured with and without shoes. But, I do question as too whether shoes can not sometimes give a little more height too a player. Mark down the fact that some of the Nike camp measurements from last year were a little skewed, especially in the wing span department, than I do not know if I feel comfortable in calling Jared Sullinger 6’10. Does he have PF size? Absolutely, I think he has prototype size for the position. But, that 6’10 does make you look at him a little differently. Also, why was Thomas Robinson still listed at 6’9, he was measured as 6’10 as well (as of today, he is 6’9 in his profile). I think it might be safer too say Jared is below 6’10 than above, not that it would do much too his draft stock either way. If you want a PF that will rebound and is ready to bang right away, you are taking Sullinger. Just do not expect him too have much of a height advantage, as it will be more size that gets him positioning.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Yeah, sometimes scouts can put to much emphasis on a player’s height..I remember back in 2003 when Wade went on that great run during the tournament, including getting a triple double in the final 4..Scouts still said he was undersized and might go in the 8 to 12 range..If it was a guy that was 6’6 doing what he done,they would be saying there was no way he wouldnt go in the top 5…..

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Yeah, sometimes scouts can put to much emphasis on a player’s height..I remember back in 2003 when Wade went on that great run during the tournament, including getting a triple double in the final 4..Scouts still said he was undersized and might go in the 8 to 12 range..If it was a guy that was 6’6 doing what he done,they would be saying there was no way he wouldnt go in the top 5…..

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Height does matter, as does length, but sometimes the emphasis is too great. I remember Caron Butler in 2002, scouts saying if he were a couple of inches taller, he would be the first pick in the draft. Instead, Mike Dunleavy, who was a couple of inches taller, was taken 3rd while Butler was taken 10th. But, it can work both ways I suppose. There really is no quotient for how all these measurables, be them height, length and athleticism, work out. A players basketball ability almost gets lost in the shuffle. Right now, Jared Sullinger is probably as good if not better than any player in the draft. But, due too his limitations as an athlete, and probably due too possible weight/conditioning concerns, he is a fringe top 5 pick. Does his being 6’10 instead of 6’9 make him that much more attractive too NBA teams? No clue, but just from the eye test (watching Sullinger next too other players, and such), I do not think he is 6’10. May have grown, but I doubt it. If I had too predict Jared’s measurements, I would probably stick with the 6’9 with a 7’2 wingspan that I initially thought before these camp heights were released. Guess we will probably see in 11 months at the combine as too who was right.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Height does matter, as does length, but sometimes the emphasis is too great. I remember Caron Butler in 2002, scouts saying if he were a couple of inches taller, he would be the first pick in the draft. Instead, Mike Dunleavy, who was a couple of inches taller, was taken 3rd while Butler was taken 10th. But, it can work both ways I suppose. There really is no quotient for how all these measurables, be them height, length and athleticism, work out. A players basketball ability almost gets lost in the shuffle. Right now, Jared Sullinger is probably as good if not better than any player in the draft. But, due too his limitations as an athlete, and probably due too possible weight/conditioning concerns, he is a fringe top 5 pick. Does his being 6’10 instead of 6’9 make him that much more attractive too NBA teams? No clue, but just from the eye test (watching Sullinger next too other players, and such), I do not think he is 6’10. May have grown, but I doubt it. If I had too predict Jared’s measurements, I would probably stick with the 6’9 with a 7’2 wingspan that I initially thought before these camp heights were released. Guess we will probably see in 11 months at the combine as too who was right.

[paradigmnParticipant]

 dude also spent a little time in jail before uconn for cocaine possession.  While at Uconn, being that I am from Hartford…I remember reading stories about Butler and the coaching staff at Uconn always "bumping heads"…and from other stories I heard from past friends was that he would "act a fool" at clubs…so maybe there were character issues that contributed to his fall….plus I think there were also injury concerns about him at the time as well

[paradigmnParticipant]

 dude also spent a little time in jail before uconn for cocaine possession.  While at Uconn, being that I am from Hartford…I remember reading stories about Butler and the coaching staff at Uconn always "bumping heads"…and from other stories I heard from past friends was that he would "act a fool" at clubs…so maybe there were character issues that contributed to his fall….plus I think there were also injury concerns about him at the time as well

[Tobe BryantParticipant]

It’s funny nowadays that wingspans conquer height. See a player like Kevin Durant, Rajon Rondo, and Dwight Howard who are freaks with their wingspan. I would rather be 6’1 at guard with a freakishly long wingspan than 6’1 with a shorter span (as I am now). Players with those arms are highly effective on the defensive end and it also helps them convert some on offense. A wingspan guy can always stick around the league no matter what (see Tyrus Thomas), although there are some great undersized players.

[Tobe BryantParticipant]

It’s funny nowadays that wingspans conquer height. See a player like Kevin Durant, Rajon Rondo, and Dwight Howard who are freaks with their wingspan. I would rather be 6’1 at guard with a freakishly long wingspan than 6’1 with a shorter span (as I am now). Players with those arms are highly effective on the defensive end and it also helps them convert some on offense. A wingspan guy can always stick around the league no matter what (see Tyrus Thomas), although there are some great undersized players.

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