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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 7:58am #57595
220ParticipantThe NBA is pushing toward changes to the draft lottery system by next season but is facing a strong objection from the Philadelphia 76ers, the franchise that could suffer the most from it, multiple sources told ESPN.com.
Lottery-reform measures were introduced earlier this month at league meetings in Las Vegas, and the NBA Board of Governors could vote changes into place at its preseason meeting in October. Although there are several facets and the proposals haven’t been finalized, the goal of commissioner Adam Silver is to balance out the lottery odds so the worst team or teams wouldn’t have the highest chances of landing the top pick, sources said.
[+] EnlargeStacy Revere/Getty ImagesJoel Embiid, the former Kansas star and No. 3 pick in the draft, is a key figure in the 76ers’ rebuilding plan, one the team believes could be hindered if the NBA’s new lottery changes go into effect next year.Currently, the team with the worst record has a 25 percent chance of landing the top pick and the team with the fifth-worst record has an 8.8 percent chance of winning it. In a new format, the bottom five or six teams could have an equal chance.
Grantland’s Zach Lowe reported earlier this month on the NBA’s proposed changes, which are essentially an attempt to squeeze the lottery odds at either extreme toward a more balanced system in which all 14 teams have a relatively similar chance at the no. 1 pick.
Although the NBA likely would not frame the changes this way, they could be seen as an anti-tanking measure, as teams with the worst records might not earn significantly higher lottery odds.
The rough draft of this plan was met with opposition by 76ers management, which is in the midst of a multiseason rebuilding project that is dependent on a high pick next year. The 76ers, sources said, are hoping to get the NBA to delay the plan’s implementation for at least a year because it would act as a de facto punishment while just playing by the rules that have been in place.
The 76ers, however, may struggle to gain support from Silver or fellow teams for holding off on the changes. Philadelphia’s planned sink to the bottom has caused a drag on revenues in one of the league’s largest markets and has upset some other teams, sources said.
The 76ers currently have more than $30 million in cap space, and they made two lottery picks last month in injured center Joel Embiid and European prospect Dario Saric who aren’t expected to contribute much this season. They also have recently been in trade talks to move their highest-paid and longest-tenured player, forward Thaddeus Young.
In short, the team is positioned to have one of the worst 2014-15 records in the league on the heels of a 19-63 season that included a 26-game losing streak. In addition to developing and identifying young players, the 76ers went into this plan believing it would give them a better chance at the highest picks in the 2015 draft, as well.
It is something they have not made a secret, which is why the potential lottery changes have made the team feel like it is being targeted.
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Giving the top 5 or 6 teams equal odds probably wouldn’t eliminate tanking. If anything I think a few more teams might tank knowing they have a equal shot with the leagues worst teams at winning the lottery. If their only goal is to eliminate tanking then based on the limited information presented they probably shouldn’t change the system.
The only ways to truly eliminate tanking that I’ve heard of would also destroy any chance of leauge wide parity.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:34am #941136
King CaluchaParticipantIf they do this for all non-playoff teams. Nobody will figth for the 8th seed, given that there will be a good chance of landing a top pick. Maybe they should narrow lottery only for the worst 5-8 teams.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:34am #941003
King CaluchaParticipantIf they do this for all non-playoff teams. Nobody will figth for the 8th seed, given that there will be a good chance of landing a top pick. Maybe they should narrow lottery only for the worst 5-8 teams.
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:49am #941144
MopgrassParticipantTeams would fight for an 8th seed. Owners may make an extra 8% or so on one 7 game series… or more if they keep winning. Actually, more than that since they charge extra for playoff tickets. Just an extra 10% is huge number when you’re talking owner money.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:49am #941011
MopgrassParticipantTeams would fight for an 8th seed. Owners may make an extra 8% or so on one 7 game series… or more if they keep winning. Actually, more than that since they charge extra for playoff tickets. Just an extra 10% is huge number when you’re talking owner money.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:35am #941138
MopgrassParticipantThe 76ers aren’t going to win any NBA owners over with their play last year and especially, their drafting injured or overseas players… making sure they can’t field a respectable team this year. They had, what, 6 draft picks? Only two of the guys will play this year and both are far away from really contributing. They are one awesome scoring wing away from where they’d want to be (Oubre? LaVert?).
I’d say I feel bad for a team who were playing by the rules and had a business plan based on those expectations, but it’s hard to get behind losing on purpose. As a Laker fan, it would make me feel better about how they’re about to play…. like maybe they’ll keep their top 5 pick. I’d figure the Bucks and maybe Jazz would be mad as well.
How much will the league change this year if tanking doesn’t really help?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:35am #941005
MopgrassParticipantThe 76ers aren’t going to win any NBA owners over with their play last year and especially, their drafting injured or overseas players… making sure they can’t field a respectable team this year. They had, what, 6 draft picks? Only two of the guys will play this year and both are far away from really contributing. They are one awesome scoring wing away from where they’d want to be (Oubre? LaVert?).
I’d say I feel bad for a team who were playing by the rules and had a business plan based on those expectations, but it’s hard to get behind losing on purpose. As a Laker fan, it would make me feel better about how they’re about to play…. like maybe they’ll keep their top 5 pick. I’d figure the Bucks and maybe Jazz would be mad as well.
How much will the league change this year if tanking doesn’t really help?
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 1:23pm #941059
phila9012ParticipantThe lottery is fine how it is. I am fine if the NBA distributed money based on how teams finished. Like the english premier league does. The NBA could pay the team with the Best record $30 million dollars and the second best $29 million and 3rd best $28 million and going down a million for each place down to the worst team getting $1 million. I dont think teams should be profitting while tanking. I think that would do a little bit to stop it and if teams still wanted to do it then they would lose money. If they make it so the worst team has a small chance of getting the number 1 pick the worst team won’t get better like charlotte having the worst season ever in the NBA and not getting anthony davis
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 1:23pm #941192
phila9012ParticipantThe lottery is fine how it is. I am fine if the NBA distributed money based on how teams finished. Like the english premier league does. The NBA could pay the team with the Best record $30 million dollars and the second best $29 million and 3rd best $28 million and going down a million for each place down to the worst team getting $1 million. I dont think teams should be profitting while tanking. I think that would do a little bit to stop it and if teams still wanted to do it then they would lose money. If they make it so the worst team has a small chance of getting the number 1 pick the worst team won’t get better like charlotte having the worst season ever in the NBA and not getting anthony davis
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:41am #941140
NeggedNoelSaricif I was any team with future picks owned from other teams I would have a problem to.
if they implement this rule next years teams with multiple picks can get robbed of potential players that could have slipped to them.
if they are going to implement how about 2019 or 2020
because their are picks owed all the way thru 2018-2019 already
if your in the middle of a rebuild its a slap in the face if its to make a competitive league ok but this rule would make some rebuilds take longer that are already in progress.
atleast wait until the 2018 draft
bucks,celtic,sixers,utah,kings,magic,pistons,celtics,
all should be finishing their rebuilds by then
I wouldn’t think its fair as of yet the funny thing is the team with the worst record should have always had the worst record. every year the team with the worst records has an EXTREMLY HORRIBLE ROSTER. how much tanking did the bucks and sixers really do? how many teams coyld they beast with the rosters they had? its funny almost every year the team with the worst record doesn’t win the lottery also ppl complain about tanking I want to complaing about fixing because these last few teams that have won somehow had amazing story lines
wizards old owner died ,LeBron left cle funny they win 3 1st picks, nba owns hornets they win and sell hornets.
tanking is a problems but we already know these teams will suck but I think there should be some allowed time you just cant flip a bottom team on their bottoms again funny thing is this would benefit playoff teams also making drafts deeper after the initial first years of the new draft imagine … touted soph and other break out players slipping to playoff teams every year making it that much harder for rebuilding teams to compete and keep players thry drafted in the long run.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:41am #941007
NeggedNoelSaricif I was any team with future picks owned from other teams I would have a problem to.
if they implement this rule next years teams with multiple picks can get robbed of potential players that could have slipped to them.
if they are going to implement how about 2019 or 2020
because their are picks owed all the way thru 2018-2019 already
if your in the middle of a rebuild its a slap in the face if its to make a competitive league ok but this rule would make some rebuilds take longer that are already in progress.
atleast wait until the 2018 draft
bucks,celtic,sixers,utah,kings,magic,pistons,celtics,
all should be finishing their rebuilds by then
I wouldn’t think its fair as of yet the funny thing is the team with the worst record should have always had the worst record. every year the team with the worst records has an EXTREMLY HORRIBLE ROSTER. how much tanking did the bucks and sixers really do? how many teams coyld they beast with the rosters they had? its funny almost every year the team with the worst record doesn’t win the lottery also ppl complain about tanking I want to complaing about fixing because these last few teams that have won somehow had amazing story lines
wizards old owner died ,LeBron left cle funny they win 3 1st picks, nba owns hornets they win and sell hornets.
tanking is a problems but we already know these teams will suck but I think there should be some allowed time you just cant flip a bottom team on their bottoms again funny thing is this would benefit playoff teams also making drafts deeper after the initial first years of the new draft imagine … touted soph and other break out players slipping to playoff teams every year making it that much harder for rebuilding teams to compete and keep players thry drafted in the long run.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:43am #941142
ballislyfe25ParticipantI’m not sure that I’m on board with revamping the lottery completey. Most agree that it’s unfair to reward teams for deliberatly tanking; however, I believe it is a fair strategy to rebuild and develop/reward young players with ample playing time. The future pieces/trade assets get the minutes to develop (such as Michael Carter-Williams) and the team forms an identity. If the wins don’t accumulate, the chance to obtain assets will, and this is what Philadelphia is doing. I personally find it entertaining, rewarding, and brilliant strategy. Let’s not forget, Oklahoma City was built through the draft. Durant, Westbrook, and Harden were all top 5 picks.
In the case of a team like the Cavaliers, with three number one picks in four years, the lottery needs tweaking. Maybe cap the number of top 3 and top 5 selections a team can have over the span of 5 years? Something along those lines would satisfy me.
I believe the current lottery system has had a hand in leading the league to where it is today; equal interest in small and large market teams, with growing parity.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:43am #941009
ballislyfe25ParticipantI’m not sure that I’m on board with revamping the lottery completey. Most agree that it’s unfair to reward teams for deliberatly tanking; however, I believe it is a fair strategy to rebuild and develop/reward young players with ample playing time. The future pieces/trade assets get the minutes to develop (such as Michael Carter-Williams) and the team forms an identity. If the wins don’t accumulate, the chance to obtain assets will, and this is what Philadelphia is doing. I personally find it entertaining, rewarding, and brilliant strategy. Let’s not forget, Oklahoma City was built through the draft. Durant, Westbrook, and Harden were all top 5 picks.
In the case of a team like the Cavaliers, with three number one picks in four years, the lottery needs tweaking. Maybe cap the number of top 3 and top 5 selections a team can have over the span of 5 years? Something along those lines would satisfy me.
I believe the current lottery system has had a hand in leading the league to where it is today; equal interest in small and large market teams, with growing parity.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:29am #941150
tuck243Participant"I think the season has been a huge success for us" – Josh Harris, 76ers owner…
This is what you should call narcissism… The 76ers and fans believe that they should be allowed to tank and grab as many top picks as possible so they can build a super team for years to come… IN WHAT SPORT you allowed to do that at? Yankees pay their players enormous amounts to come there… Lakers win championships… Still it’s the players decision… The 76ers think the league should allow them to build a super team through the draft… The whole reason for the lottery was to provide parity in the league… They think "GAMING" the system is ok? FOH… NFL teams don’t tank 2 seasons in advance… The fans wouldn’t allow that… The 76ers literally rolled out D-Leaguers for an NBA team to get the #1 pick… That was not done in ANY sport… The integrity of the game means so much… I’m geeked that Silver is trying to make a change to that…
The Jazz and Bucks, REALLY tried to get better last year and made moves that didn’t pan out… They didn’t ship players off for next to nothing and start a team full of D-Leaguers… Nothing about what the 76ers are doing is fair…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:29am #941017
tuck243Participant"I think the season has been a huge success for us" – Josh Harris, 76ers owner…
This is what you should call narcissism… The 76ers and fans believe that they should be allowed to tank and grab as many top picks as possible so they can build a super team for years to come… IN WHAT SPORT you allowed to do that at? Yankees pay their players enormous amounts to come there… Lakers win championships… Still it’s the players decision… The 76ers think the league should allow them to build a super team through the draft… The whole reason for the lottery was to provide parity in the league… They think "GAMING" the system is ok? FOH… NFL teams don’t tank 2 seasons in advance… The fans wouldn’t allow that… The 76ers literally rolled out D-Leaguers for an NBA team to get the #1 pick… That was not done in ANY sport… The integrity of the game means so much… I’m geeked that Silver is trying to make a change to that…
The Jazz and Bucks, REALLY tried to get better last year and made moves that didn’t pan out… They didn’t ship players off for next to nothing and start a team full of D-Leaguers… Nothing about what the 76ers are doing is fair…
0- Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 5:32am #941368
foochiemorrisParticipantThe problem with your logic is that the NFL and the NBA aren’t comparable leagues. period. The NFL doesn’t have guaranteed contracts. The NBA does. With an NFL team, you don’t need to tank at all b/c you can rebuild quickly. Look at how fast the Eagles turned over their roster after going 3-13. Playoffs next year. In the NBA, you are locked into contracts. When is the last time you saw any NBA go from worst to first in 1 year(barring the injury of a superstar, i.e. David Robinson injury/Tim Duncan draft year). Parity implies "the state of being equal." How are all things equal if a team goes 19-63. That doesn’t say, to me, that things are "equal" on any level. And you act as if nothing is being sacrificed throughout the process the Sixers are in the process of….It’s just sooo easy to be awful for a couple years to take chances on a high lottery picks(p.s. how many lottery picks don’t pan out?) and just trot out a team of All-stars and win a championship. I mean, come one Dude, that’s just not how it works. Anyone of these picks could be a huge bust and the whole thing may take more time, costing millions of the owners money, and an abundance more of fan patience. My problem with your post is that you attitude is that the Sixers are somehow "working the system" when they haven’t won anything except a couple of picks I’m a Sixers fan but they haven’t done anything yet. They have a couple of big name college players that haven’t proven anything yet and haven’t even been healthy enough to play. Big Deal. You can’t be "working the system" if your not getting results. Your argument might have shred of crediblility in 3-5 years when the Sixer may be a good team, but not right now. Your buying into the draft hype that all of these guys have such bright futures but alot of these draft picks will be in and out of the league in the blink of an eye. If you want to fix the NBA, take some of the power away from the players association and do away with guaranteed contracts.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 5:32am #941236
foochiemorrisParticipantThe problem with your logic is that the NFL and the NBA aren’t comparable leagues. period. The NFL doesn’t have guaranteed contracts. The NBA does. With an NFL team, you don’t need to tank at all b/c you can rebuild quickly. Look at how fast the Eagles turned over their roster after going 3-13. Playoffs next year. In the NBA, you are locked into contracts. When is the last time you saw any NBA go from worst to first in 1 year(barring the injury of a superstar, i.e. David Robinson injury/Tim Duncan draft year). Parity implies "the state of being equal." How are all things equal if a team goes 19-63. That doesn’t say, to me, that things are "equal" on any level. And you act as if nothing is being sacrificed throughout the process the Sixers are in the process of….It’s just sooo easy to be awful for a couple years to take chances on a high lottery picks(p.s. how many lottery picks don’t pan out?) and just trot out a team of All-stars and win a championship. I mean, come one Dude, that’s just not how it works. Anyone of these picks could be a huge bust and the whole thing may take more time, costing millions of the owners money, and an abundance more of fan patience. My problem with your post is that you attitude is that the Sixers are somehow "working the system" when they haven’t won anything except a couple of picks I’m a Sixers fan but they haven’t done anything yet. They have a couple of big name college players that haven’t proven anything yet and haven’t even been healthy enough to play. Big Deal. You can’t be "working the system" if your not getting results. Your argument might have shred of crediblility in 3-5 years when the Sixer may be a good team, but not right now. Your buying into the draft hype that all of these guys have such bright futures but alot of these draft picks will be in and out of the league in the blink of an eye. If you want to fix the NBA, take some of the power away from the players association and do away with guaranteed contracts.
0- Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 5:46am #941374
foochiemorrisParticipantThe only people that can have a gripe are the Sixers fans….How can anyone else possibly have anything to say? And let’s all be honest….This isn’t about picks, or tanking, or "fair play", it’s about owners revenue. These reports about other teams being angry at the sixers for tanking are crazy….you think other players and GMS give a crap if the sixers are bad….it just makes their jobs easier. It’s all about money. The owners are pissed b/c the sixers attendence stinks. The national media jumps on this non-story about tanking and boom, instant espn fodder. Just stupid. We are literally wasting our time arguing the merits of how to make the digustingly rich owners even richer.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 5:46am #941242
foochiemorrisParticipantThe only people that can have a gripe are the Sixers fans….How can anyone else possibly have anything to say? And let’s all be honest….This isn’t about picks, or tanking, or "fair play", it’s about owners revenue. These reports about other teams being angry at the sixers for tanking are crazy….you think other players and GMS give a crap if the sixers are bad….it just makes their jobs easier. It’s all about money. The owners are pissed b/c the sixers attendence stinks. The national media jumps on this non-story about tanking and boom, instant espn fodder. Just stupid. We are literally wasting our time arguing the merits of how to make the digustingly rich owners even richer.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:27am #941156
NeggedNoelSaricthe Celtics traded kevin garnnet and perice for nothing of the same value to a playoff team with no high draft picks in return or young player going back to boston.
sixers traded two players who were leaving this offseason anyhow AT THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND WENT ON A HORRIBLE LOSING STREAK AFTERWARDS
sixers have been competing every since the dawn of time traded a hof and still didn’t want to overhaul the roster they wanted to compete.
all In all the sixers traded the remainders of a core that went into the playoffs as a 8th seed. after failed attempts to try to make the second round the following season. ppl where shocked that the sixers came out swinging early in the season actually winning games. the losing streak was the cause for the word tank job. The timber wolves where known for epic losing streaks a few years back after kevin left when they had rashad mcants and co.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:27am #941023
NeggedNoelSaricthe Celtics traded kevin garnnet and perice for nothing of the same value to a playoff team with no high draft picks in return or young player going back to boston.
sixers traded two players who were leaving this offseason anyhow AT THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND WENT ON A HORRIBLE LOSING STREAK AFTERWARDS
sixers have been competing every since the dawn of time traded a hof and still didn’t want to overhaul the roster they wanted to compete.
all In all the sixers traded the remainders of a core that went into the playoffs as a 8th seed. after failed attempts to try to make the second round the following season. ppl where shocked that the sixers came out swinging early in the season actually winning games. the losing streak was the cause for the word tank job. The timber wolves where known for epic losing streaks a few years back after kevin left when they had rashad mcants and co.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:14am #941166
xJumpManxParticipantIts not fair to the sixers they started tanking on draft night for this upcoming season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:14am #941033
xJumpManxParticipantIts not fair to the sixers they started tanking on draft night for this upcoming season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:29am #941170
Lafferty DanielParticipantIf Silver is serious about implementing more tournaments during the season, then how about a single elimination tourney at the end of the regular season? Winner gets the 1st pick in the draft. Of course the players union will never go for it, and the bud that I just tried was really good, but it would be a lot of fun. Think of it as the NIT for the NBA with the irrational stakes of the MLB All-Star Game. Wow.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:29am #941037
Lafferty DanielParticipantIf Silver is serious about implementing more tournaments during the season, then how about a single elimination tourney at the end of the regular season? Winner gets the 1st pick in the draft. Of course the players union will never go for it, and the bud that I just tried was really good, but it would be a lot of fun. Think of it as the NIT for the NBA with the irrational stakes of the MLB All-Star Game. Wow.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:47am #941172
thricethefunParticipantIn my opinion they should do away with the lottery entirely. Teams will tank or not tank either way. I’m not a Charlotte fan but the fact that they had the worst team in NBA History a few years ago and didn’t get Anthony Davis is rediculous.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 11:47am #941039
thricethefunParticipantIn my opinion they should do away with the lottery entirely. Teams will tank or not tank either way. I’m not a Charlotte fan but the fact that they had the worst team in NBA History a few years ago and didn’t get Anthony Davis is rediculous.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 12:02pm #941174
thparadoxParticipantTanking cure:
1) Implement what Silver is proposing. It’s obvious that if you reduce the incentive to tank (lower odds of #1 for worse record), there will be less tanking
2) RANDOMNESS. Instead of saying "the 5th worst record always has 8% chance of getting the top pick". Have a few different distributions.
Some years the 5th pick might have a 20% chance at #1, 6th pick has 15% chance, 7th pick has 10% chance
Then other years, it might be 5th pick has 15% chance, 6th pick has 15% chance, 7th pick has 15% chance.
This distribution would only be decided randomly (e.g. by rolling dice) AFTER the season ends. If you don’t even know the disributions for sure, then the incentive to tank is lower.
There will always be tanking, but this way you can at least limit the extremes. If the league doesn’t want to see a team like the 76ers last year, then they have to change the incentives.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 12:02pm #941041
thparadoxParticipantTanking cure:
1) Implement what Silver is proposing. It’s obvious that if you reduce the incentive to tank (lower odds of #1 for worse record), there will be less tanking
2) RANDOMNESS. Instead of saying "the 5th worst record always has 8% chance of getting the top pick". Have a few different distributions.
Some years the 5th pick might have a 20% chance at #1, 6th pick has 15% chance, 7th pick has 10% chance
Then other years, it might be 5th pick has 15% chance, 6th pick has 15% chance, 7th pick has 15% chance.
This distribution would only be decided randomly (e.g. by rolling dice) AFTER the season ends. If you don’t even know the disributions for sure, then the incentive to tank is lower.
There will always be tanking, but this way you can at least limit the extremes. If the league doesn’t want to see a team like the 76ers last year, then they have to change the incentives.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 12:15pm #941176
ProudGrandpaParticipantEff the Sixers. How bout you put a halfway decent team on the floor for your fans?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 12:15pm #941043
ProudGrandpaParticipantEff the Sixers. How bout you put a halfway decent team on the floor for your fans?
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 12:27pm #941178
220ParticipantI certainly agree that not a single person outside of the 76ers organization feel bad for them over the potential lottery change. I just want to see the details of the lottery overhaul because the limited information I’ve seen makes me think rather than 1-3 teams tanking you might see up to 6 teams try less than their best since they’d have an equal shot at the top pick. Hopefully the NBA keeps the potential of more teams tanking in mind when deciding on the overhaul.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 12:27pm #941045
220ParticipantI certainly agree that not a single person outside of the 76ers organization feel bad for them over the potential lottery change. I just want to see the details of the lottery overhaul because the limited information I’ve seen makes me think rather than 1-3 teams tanking you might see up to 6 teams try less than their best since they’d have an equal shot at the top pick. Hopefully the NBA keeps the potential of more teams tanking in mind when deciding on the overhaul.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 1:18pm #941186
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantI can’t wait until this new LOTTERY rule effects you or your team…
I don’t agree that Tanking should be rewarded, in fact I like the idea of a wheel system where the worst 14 teams “SPIN THE WHEEL” and see what number they land in the draft…
To outright change the rules in place because 1 team “Tanked” for 1 season (so far) and only plans to tank for another season anyway seems EXTREME, especially when a Team like The Cavaliers has mysteriously won 3 out of 4 Draft Lotteries and has somehow landed the Best Player in the League and NO ONE CARES, no one mentions how fishy it smells, Chicago with Rose? Davis to New Orleans? Ect. Ect. Ect…
Now that a Team like the 76ers are in the middle of a Rebuild the NBA wants to “IMPLEMENT FAIR PLAY” by knocking down the little guys in the league (Aside from the Celtics, Lakers and 76ers every other team in the Lottery this year was in a small to mid sized market)
This seems like another way to benefit The big Market ball clubs, 1st they raise the salary cap and now they want to obliterate the value of a Small Market Team’s Draft Picks…And again No Body Cares!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 1:18pm #941053
The Scare Crow RisesParticipantI can’t wait until this new LOTTERY rule effects you or your team…
I don’t agree that Tanking should be rewarded, in fact I like the idea of a wheel system where the worst 14 teams “SPIN THE WHEEL” and see what number they land in the draft…
To outright change the rules in place because 1 team “Tanked” for 1 season (so far) and only plans to tank for another season anyway seems EXTREME, especially when a Team like The Cavaliers has mysteriously won 3 out of 4 Draft Lotteries and has somehow landed the Best Player in the League and NO ONE CARES, no one mentions how fishy it smells, Chicago with Rose? Davis to New Orleans? Ect. Ect. Ect…
Now that a Team like the 76ers are in the middle of a Rebuild the NBA wants to “IMPLEMENT FAIR PLAY” by knocking down the little guys in the league (Aside from the Celtics, Lakers and 76ers every other team in the Lottery this year was in a small to mid sized market)
This seems like another way to benefit The big Market ball clubs, 1st they raise the salary cap and now they want to obliterate the value of a Small Market Team’s Draft Picks…And again No Body Cares!
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 1:51pm #941061
FearTheStacheParticipantUmmm…first of all, if you really think the NBA is adamant on the success of big market teams, then look at the conference finals. San Antonio, OKC, Indiana, Miami. All small markets. THey are making this rule to get rid of tanking, so why should they just let the 76ers tank for one more year. Isn’t that what this rule is trying to prevent? Silver is concerned about the game of basketball and the expansion of the NBA worldwide. How is this league supposed to get respect when one of their franchises is purposely putting out a terrible, non-competitive team?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 1:51pm #941194
FearTheStacheParticipantUmmm…first of all, if you really think the NBA is adamant on the success of big market teams, then look at the conference finals. San Antonio, OKC, Indiana, Miami. All small markets. THey are making this rule to get rid of tanking, so why should they just let the 76ers tank for one more year. Isn’t that what this rule is trying to prevent? Silver is concerned about the game of basketball and the expansion of the NBA worldwide. How is this league supposed to get respect when one of their franchises is purposely putting out a terrible, non-competitive team?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:38pm #941145
For_Never_EverParticipantYo, Scare Crow. You gotta watch Batman Assaualt on Arkham. It’s one of the best DC animated films. It’s basazz and edgy. I’ve watch them all, and this is up amongst the tops.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:38pm #941277
For_Never_EverParticipantYo, Scare Crow. You gotta watch Batman Assaualt on Arkham. It’s one of the best DC animated films. It’s basazz and edgy. I’ve watch them all, and this is up amongst the tops.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:26pm #941149
MopgrassParticipantI guess you have a point… sort of. I don’t care about the lottery effecting my team, but it s nice to be able to predict who is going to what team. Other than that… I won’t miss it.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:26pm #941281
MopgrassParticipantI guess you have a point… sort of. I don’t care about the lottery effecting my team, but it s nice to be able to predict who is going to what team. Other than that… I won’t miss it.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 3:40pm #941085
burgessfourParticipantthe NBA should consider is all those deals for future 1st round picks with different levels of protection that were made based on the current lotto system. Those deals become much different if there’s a rule change.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 3:40pm #941218
burgessfourParticipantthe NBA should consider is all those deals for future 1st round picks with different levels of protection that were made based on the current lotto system. Those deals become much different if there’s a rule change.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 5:01pm #941093
MattP31ParticipantTerrible timing. This will have a major effect on the league when big market teams like the Lakers and Boston could be looking at being very bad this year. Very bad for the league to potentially cost two of the teams with the biggest fan bases and markets at a time when they both need to rebuild and the only stars they have are an aging and injury prone Kobe and a soon to be free agent/trade bait Rajon Rondo.
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:30pm #941151
MopgrassParticipantFor this year, this could be excellent news for the Lakers. They are going to play too well to keep their top 5 protected pick from the Suns, but miss the playoffs. This lottery change would give them a much greater chance of keeping the pick.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 9:30pm #941283
MopgrassParticipantFor this year, this could be excellent news for the Lakers. They are going to play too well to keep their top 5 protected pick from the Suns, but miss the playoffs. This lottery change would give them a much greater chance of keeping the pick.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 5:01pm #941226
MattP31ParticipantTerrible timing. This will have a major effect on the league when big market teams like the Lakers and Boston could be looking at being very bad this year. Very bad for the league to potentially cost two of the teams with the biggest fan bases and markets at a time when they both need to rebuild and the only stars they have are an aging and injury prone Kobe and a soon to be free agent/trade bait Rajon Rondo.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 5:21pm #941095
Robb_CParticipantTake the 4 worst teams place them in a playoff for the top 4 picks. winner gets top pick
take the next 4 teams place them in a playoff for 5-8 winner gets 5th
next four teams play for 9-13 winner gets 9th
last team out would be on the cusp of playoffs and get last spot.
this creates fan buzz creates revenue for owners and kills tanking.. make it a time for the league to try new ideas (have the non lottery teams wear ads on jerseys etc etc) you could even have these guys play these games in europe to help create global branding.
do this while the playoffs are happening
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 5:50pm #941105
220ParticipantI see the point you’re making and it would have some league widr benefits. My problem with this is thst if a team is really bad and needs talent to get better they would likely lose in these tournaments most years ensuring a less needy team would be the recipient of the top pick the majority of the years.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 5:50pm #941237
220ParticipantI see the point you’re making and it would have some league widr benefits. My problem with this is thst if a team is really bad and needs talent to get better they would likely lose in these tournaments most years ensuring a less needy team would be the recipient of the top pick the majority of the years.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 5:21pm #941228
Robb_CParticipantTake the 4 worst teams place them in a playoff for the top 4 picks. winner gets top pick
take the next 4 teams place them in a playoff for 5-8 winner gets 5th
next four teams play for 9-13 winner gets 9th
last team out would be on the cusp of playoffs and get last spot.
this creates fan buzz creates revenue for owners and kills tanking.. make it a time for the league to try new ideas (have the non lottery teams wear ads on jerseys etc etc) you could even have these guys play these games in europe to help create global branding.
do this while the playoffs are happening
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:17pm #941141
Magic JordanParticipantA few things here. In no way shape or form should tanking be rewarded… It should be punished. Hardworking people go to games and pay money to watch professional basketball. Not the D League team the 76ers are throwing on the court. Its about the games integrity. If Philly wants to throw out a D League team. Let them focus on the D League. I know the people of Seattle would love to have a team to root for… Not saying this is realistic in anyway but if an organization is going to contribute nothing… Literally nothing to the league then why let them keep it? They collect money at the end of the season based off other teams actually spending money and attempting to field a decent team. In what other form of business would this be acceptable? I’m sure a lot of you conservatives call Obama a socialist… Or blast people who collect welfare and are leaching off the government… But that’s exactly what a team like Philly is doing. I say change the rules ASAP.
Now with that being said. I don’t think it would be fair to the citizens of Philly to enforce penalties or strip them of a team in the most extreme case which I am just using as a worst case scenario. Philly fans are loyal, hardworking, passionate fans who legitimately care about their team. They are being penalized enough by the teams ownership and management who have convinced them that this is a legitimate way to build a contender… When really there is only one example of that. The Thunder aren’t there yet. Its the Spurs. I admire the ingenuity and the forward thinking of Hinkie to say… I’m just going to game the system… I really do like it. But you can’t flaunt it. They wasted two lottery picks on players that aren’t even going to play for them next year…. What’s to stop them from doing it next year? And the year after? I know Philly fans on this site don’t care because we are all draft heads… But what about the average Philly fan?
What I do hate to see is it only affect one team.. Although Philly is the only one doing a touchdown dance while tanking. They could be a little more discreet about it but they aren’t… They aren’t even trying to be competitive. For that I don’t mind seeing them get the game switched up on them.
A team like the Lakers…. My team… Should be tanking… But they won’t. They are trying their hardest to field a decent non playoff team… Which is frustrating as hell to me and going to be even more so when I watch our 8th pick go to the Suns next year. But at least they are trying.
Now if youre still with me here is my solution. How about an equally weighted lottery to determine who gets the higher percentage for the real lottery. Everybody gets an equal chance and getting the best odds? So the bottom 14 teams all have a 7.14% chance and getting the most ping pong balls. Then there is still the normal lottery to be had where a team could still luck out. Maybe they could slightly reduce the gap in the 2nd lottery odds across the board. But with the team slotted to the 1st place odds still having the highest percent chance at the number one pick. This would make it more random… The opening lottery could serve as a buffer for the 2nd lottery. Making it pointless to tank. This weekend I will whip together a program to run with these odds to get a better feel for if its random enough. But its a suggestion… And one that I have yet to hear elsewhere.
0- Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 5:54am #941380
foochiemorrisParticipantDear Lakers Fan,
1) We were sick of being the 8th seed in the playoffs.
2) The vast majority of Sixers fans are OK with this strategy
….and just for the record we(76ers Fans) wouldn’t take pity from a Lakers fan if we were lying half dead on the side of the road.
Worry about your own crap team.
Love,
76ers Fans
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 5:54am #941248
foochiemorrisParticipantDear Lakers Fan,
1) We were sick of being the 8th seed in the playoffs.
2) The vast majority of Sixers fans are OK with this strategy
….and just for the record we(76ers Fans) wouldn’t take pity from a Lakers fan if we were lying half dead on the side of the road.
Worry about your own crap team.
Love,
76ers Fans
0- Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 2:59pm #941357
Magic JordanParticipantI’ll remember that when I encounter a 76er fan laying half dead on the side of the road. I was not giving pity… mostly pointing out how ridiculous it is for an organization, and fan base to be so completely happy with losing as if it is a sure bet to field a championship contender. Best case scenario you are still 6 years away from being a team worth a damn, so have fun with that.
Unless you somehow draft 2 potential top 5 players… ala Durant and Westbrook…. this strategy is not proven to work, by the time all the guys you tanked for start to show signs of life and being real contributors… it will be just in time for them to force their way out of the armpit of America. So who knows how long your tank job would really carry on for, you should count your blessings that the NBA is about to force you into fielding a decent team.
I guess the mindset of the fanbase and management is exactly the difference between an organization that has won 16 championships… and well the 76ers. So I retract my previous statement… I do pity everything about you 76er fans.
0- Posted on: Sat, 08/02/2014 - 9:22am #941849
foochiemorrisParticipantIf it’s a strategy proven not to work, then why are you crying about it like a little Girl?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 08/02/2014 - 9:22am #941982
foochiemorrisParticipantIf it’s a strategy proven not to work, then why are you crying about it like a little Girl?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/04/2014 - 7:37am #942411
foochiemorrisParticipantJersey is the armpit, you moron. Philadelphia is the GD birthplace of the nation. Learn something.
and I love how you take 3 paragraphs to state something and then completely reverse field and retract your previous statement. In your two last posts you’ve managed to stand for nothing, make no valid points, and go back on everything you’ve said. I guess thats the mindset of a team willing to build around a 35 yr old declining star in Kobe Bryant and fight for that 8th seed just to get your butts kicked. but keep holding your breath for the next superstar to go to LA via free agency/trade….like Klove, oh wait no, he’s not coming to LA. Well maybe they can resign Gasol, oh wait, no that didn’t work…..what a joke. It’s also hilarious that the one bright spot the Lakers have right now is Randle. Remind me, where did the Lakers acquire him….oh yea. the draft.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/04/2014 - 7:37am #942279
foochiemorrisParticipantJersey is the armpit, you moron. Philadelphia is the GD birthplace of the nation. Learn something.
and I love how you take 3 paragraphs to state something and then completely reverse field and retract your previous statement. In your two last posts you’ve managed to stand for nothing, make no valid points, and go back on everything you’ve said. I guess thats the mindset of a team willing to build around a 35 yr old declining star in Kobe Bryant and fight for that 8th seed just to get your butts kicked. but keep holding your breath for the next superstar to go to LA via free agency/trade….like Klove, oh wait no, he’s not coming to LA. Well maybe they can resign Gasol, oh wait, no that didn’t work…..what a joke. It’s also hilarious that the one bright spot the Lakers have right now is Randle. Remind me, where did the Lakers acquire him….oh yea. the draft.
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/04/2014 - 3:48pm #942438
Magic JordanParticipantWhich organization will win a championship first? I’ll go out on a limb and say not the 76ers…. any team and fan base that is as content with losing as yours won’t be competing in the next decade. Whatever you have to do to sell yourself on your team being the equivalent of a D League team, by all means… make yourself feel better. But if you think players like Embiid, Noel, MCW will ever have a significant impact, or want to play for such an attrocious team you’re mistaking. Again, you guys aren’t drafting Kevin Durant and Russ Westbrook. So please, name a team besides the Spurs that have a won a championship building through the draft??
So go ahead Philly fan, spend the next five seasons convincing yourself that what your team is doing will pay off… you really have no other choice.
Sure Philly fan, refer to your city as the birth place to America, your reference to relevance occured over 200 years ago. Only slightly longer since your last championship in the early 80’s.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/04/2014 - 3:48pm #942570
Magic JordanParticipantWhich organization will win a championship first? I’ll go out on a limb and say not the 76ers…. any team and fan base that is as content with losing as yours won’t be competing in the next decade. Whatever you have to do to sell yourself on your team being the equivalent of a D League team, by all means… make yourself feel better. But if you think players like Embiid, Noel, MCW will ever have a significant impact, or want to play for such an attrocious team you’re mistaking. Again, you guys aren’t drafting Kevin Durant and Russ Westbrook. So please, name a team besides the Spurs that have a won a championship building through the draft??
So go ahead Philly fan, spend the next five seasons convincing yourself that what your team is doing will pay off… you really have no other choice.
Sure Philly fan, refer to your city as the birth place to America, your reference to relevance occured over 200 years ago. Only slightly longer since your last championship in the early 80’s.
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- Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 2:59pm #941489
Magic JordanParticipantI’ll remember that when I encounter a 76er fan laying half dead on the side of the road. I was not giving pity… mostly pointing out how ridiculous it is for an organization, and fan base to be so completely happy with losing as if it is a sure bet to field a championship contender. Best case scenario you are still 6 years away from being a team worth a damn, so have fun with that.
Unless you somehow draft 2 potential top 5 players… ala Durant and Westbrook…. this strategy is not proven to work, by the time all the guys you tanked for start to show signs of life and being real contributors… it will be just in time for them to force their way out of the armpit of America. So who knows how long your tank job would really carry on for, you should count your blessings that the NBA is about to force you into fielding a decent team.
I guess the mindset of the fanbase and management is exactly the difference between an organization that has won 16 championships… and well the 76ers. So I retract my previous statement… I do pity everything about you 76er fans.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/30/2014 - 8:17pm #941273
Magic JordanParticipantA few things here. In no way shape or form should tanking be rewarded… It should be punished. Hardworking people go to games and pay money to watch professional basketball. Not the D League team the 76ers are throwing on the court. Its about the games integrity. If Philly wants to throw out a D League team. Let them focus on the D League. I know the people of Seattle would love to have a team to root for… Not saying this is realistic in anyway but if an organization is going to contribute nothing… Literally nothing to the league then why let them keep it? They collect money at the end of the season based off other teams actually spending money and attempting to field a decent team. In what other form of business would this be acceptable? I’m sure a lot of you conservatives call Obama a socialist… Or blast people who collect welfare and are leaching off the government… But that’s exactly what a team like Philly is doing. I say change the rules ASAP.
Now with that being said. I don’t think it would be fair to the citizens of Philly to enforce penalties or strip them of a team in the most extreme case which I am just using as a worst case scenario. Philly fans are loyal, hardworking, passionate fans who legitimately care about their team. They are being penalized enough by the teams ownership and management who have convinced them that this is a legitimate way to build a contender… When really there is only one example of that. The Thunder aren’t there yet. Its the Spurs. I admire the ingenuity and the forward thinking of Hinkie to say… I’m just going to game the system… I really do like it. But you can’t flaunt it. They wasted two lottery picks on players that aren’t even going to play for them next year…. What’s to stop them from doing it next year? And the year after? I know Philly fans on this site don’t care because we are all draft heads… But what about the average Philly fan?
What I do hate to see is it only affect one team.. Although Philly is the only one doing a touchdown dance while tanking. They could be a little more discreet about it but they aren’t… They aren’t even trying to be competitive. For that I don’t mind seeing them get the game switched up on them.
A team like the Lakers…. My team… Should be tanking… But they won’t. They are trying their hardest to field a decent non playoff team… Which is frustrating as hell to me and going to be even more so when I watch our 8th pick go to the Suns next year. But at least they are trying.
Now if youre still with me here is my solution. How about an equally weighted lottery to determine who gets the higher percentage for the real lottery. Everybody gets an equal chance and getting the best odds? So the bottom 14 teams all have a 7.14% chance and getting the most ping pong balls. Then there is still the normal lottery to be had where a team could still luck out. Maybe they could slightly reduce the gap in the 2nd lottery odds across the board. But with the team slotted to the 1st place odds still having the highest percent chance at the number one pick. This would make it more random… The opening lottery could serve as a buffer for the 2nd lottery. Making it pointless to tank. This weekend I will whip together a program to run with these odds to get a better feel for if its random enough. But its a suggestion… And one that I have yet to hear elsewhere.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 6:26am #941398
HitsterParticipantMost teams would support the revised system I believe as teams just missing out on the play offs get a legit shot at a top 6 pick. Teams already well into rebuild but not out of the lottery yet get better chances to get another good pick. The top teams it does not really effect but when they do go into rebuild or have an odd losing season and go into the lottery their chances of getting a top pick are increased.
I doubt it comes in for next season but within 2 or 3 years would seem fair, it gives the likes of Philly a chance to get another high pick or two.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 6:26am #941266
HitsterParticipantMost teams would support the revised system I believe as teams just missing out on the play offs get a legit shot at a top 6 pick. Teams already well into rebuild but not out of the lottery yet get better chances to get another good pick. The top teams it does not really effect but when they do go into rebuild or have an odd losing season and go into the lottery their chances of getting a top pick are increased.
I doubt it comes in for next season but within 2 or 3 years would seem fair, it gives the likes of Philly a chance to get another high pick or two.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 6:38am #941404
NtsapParticipantthat should be on the table is to limit number 1 overall picks . I don’t see what’s wrong with tanking especially during this lets buddy up era.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 6:38am #941272
NtsapParticipantthat should be on the table is to limit number 1 overall picks . I don’t see what’s wrong with tanking especially during this lets buddy up era.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 1:26pm #941331
DS LewisParticipantI feel the definition of tanking is all over the place. Teams can be bad because of: 1-youth 2-injury 3-chemistry. The Bucks were hit with all three, but you could see them attempting to set themselves up to improve with offseason moves liking bringing back Zaza and Delfino. They even made an trade at the deadline for player for Session and played him.
What the Sixers are doing is essentially bad faith. No moves to get NBA worthy talent on their roster beyond rookies contacts that can possibly fit into their upto 8 year rebuilding plan. Really not waiving Granger and playing him would have maybe added one or two wins at most, but instead the Sixers are determined to suck as much as possible. Even many of their D-Leaguers aren’t potential guys worthy of test run (Brandon Davies!!–sorry but an injured college senior is the guy every other team in the league would waive to open a spot). What the Sixers are doing is vastly different than what every other team in the NBA has done. Its not ideal for David Robinson to sit out an extra 20 games, or for Mark Madsen to take threes at will, or for the Jazz to trade for Biedrins and Richard Jefferson (and then actually play Richard Jefferson. However, no one until now has filled their roster with guys that no one cares to see play sans a few rookie contracts. Ask yourself why Charile Jenkins? Elliot Williams? Adonis Thomas? Casper Ware? Brandon Davies? James Nunnally? Darius Johnson-Odom? Henry Sims? Most of us have seen summer league teams filled with better players that weren’t even draft picks. Most these guys either project to be a 15th man at best or are known to not be cut from NBA-cloth. Credit James Anderson and Tim Olbrecht as a few sincere efforts even if they aren’t good, but there has to be a minimum standard of team-building which the Sixers front office seems to think doesn’t apply anymore. Sucking until you get all the great draft picks you want isn’t a creative strategy. Everyone has thought of this and refrained from going balls out on it until because of the embarrasing consequences like redoing the NBA lottery system based on your team.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/31/2014 - 1:26pm #941463
DS LewisParticipantI feel the definition of tanking is all over the place. Teams can be bad because of: 1-youth 2-injury 3-chemistry. The Bucks were hit with all three, but you could see them attempting to set themselves up to improve with offseason moves liking bringing back Zaza and Delfino. They even made an trade at the deadline for player for Session and played him.
What the Sixers are doing is essentially bad faith. No moves to get NBA worthy talent on their roster beyond rookies contacts that can possibly fit into their upto 8 year rebuilding plan. Really not waiving Granger and playing him would have maybe added one or two wins at most, but instead the Sixers are determined to suck as much as possible. Even many of their D-Leaguers aren’t potential guys worthy of test run (Brandon Davies!!–sorry but an injured college senior is the guy every other team in the league would waive to open a spot). What the Sixers are doing is vastly different than what every other team in the NBA has done. Its not ideal for David Robinson to sit out an extra 20 games, or for Mark Madsen to take threes at will, or for the Jazz to trade for Biedrins and Richard Jefferson (and then actually play Richard Jefferson. However, no one until now has filled their roster with guys that no one cares to see play sans a few rookie contracts. Ask yourself why Charile Jenkins? Elliot Williams? Adonis Thomas? Casper Ware? Brandon Davies? James Nunnally? Darius Johnson-Odom? Henry Sims? Most of us have seen summer league teams filled with better players that weren’t even draft picks. Most these guys either project to be a 15th man at best or are known to not be cut from NBA-cloth. Credit James Anderson and Tim Olbrecht as a few sincere efforts even if they aren’t good, but there has to be a minimum standard of team-building which the Sixers front office seems to think doesn’t apply anymore. Sucking until you get all the great draft picks you want isn’t a creative strategy. Everyone has thought of this and refrained from going balls out on it until because of the embarrasing consequences like redoing the NBA lottery system based on your team.
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