The Knicks Will Regret Their # 8th Selection of Jordan Hill

I think Hill will be better than Gooden. I image D’Antoni just didn’t want to put up with Jennings’ attitude….that is my best guess. I agree though the Knicks desperately need a PG. Douglas looks like he can play some minutes at PG but I don’t think he is a legit true starting caliber PG like Jennings is. Overall the Knicks had a solid draft but it definitely could’ve been better.

all those newyork fans including yourself that got mad or booed at crazy. jordan hill is going to be an absolute stud, ESPECIALLY is Mikes system. I think they did exactly the right thing with selecting Jordan Hill

The Knicks suck. How’s their first round pick from last year holding up. lol! They should have kept Isaih Thomas for scouting purposes.

Dhamp…the most popular user on this site. And the new Hubie Brown.

Wow i would think that they would have liked this selection

Hill will be good in this system……….NY fans were just

mad they didnt get Curry(he was like a god to them)

……….Hill will fit just Chill

Why are u still here……..Devo never got drafted so you can leave now ok

Jk haha

It definitely wouldve been smart to pick Jennings. I thought thats who they were going to get anyway. They basically said by passing Jennings that “Toney Douglas is a better fit for our system”, which isnt true. Douglas is showing more PG skill than I thought he would, but he’s no Brandon Jennings. Jordan Hill as a best case scenario is like Chris Wilcox, both are athletic freaks that can score even thought they arent polished offensively. He seems like a sparkplug of intensity off the bench though from what I’ve seen from him. He is a great physical talent though.

King2121! lol! I’ve never heard of you before. Ha ha ha. Now that you’ve called me out for some unknown reason (again I don’t know you) you’re famous.

Oh, MY BAD. The JK must mean just kidding. Sorry bro. No offense.

Dhamp..the most popular user on this site. And new Hubie Brown

Knicks will also regret not drafting DeMar DeRozan. Ouch

I totally agree that the knicks are going to regret not picking up Jennings, But like Gator said I think it had to do with them being afraid to potentially be drafting a Stephon Marbury, or Steve Francis in sense of attitude which was detrimental to their careers with the Knicks

I disagree. I think Jordan Hill can be a solid 18 point-10 rebound player. Douglas is not a slouch either. We didn’t need a PG, we needed a shooter/ defender. I think if we can do a sign and trade with Lee and add maybe a 1st round pick, we would be in good shape.

We will not regret on Passing DeRozan either….

Hill will just be a hustle player, in the mold of Drew Gooden or Horace Grant. While Jennings been playing excellent in Summer League, helping his team to a 4-0 record, what has Hill or Douglas done? Nothing!!! Douglas been racking up assists, but the Knicks are still what 0-2 or 0-3..Their gonna regret not drafting Jennings

Don, are your serious?!? Summer League doesn’t matter.

Hill will be way better than Grant and Gooden.

Jennings has played well….in summer league. Remember Marco Bellinelli? He dropped like 35 in a summer league game and now he cant get off the pine in Golden State, Summer League means nothing.

D_Legend- yep that is exactly what I was thinking

Knicksboy- I agree about DeRozan. Knicks didn’t need him. Chandler can play SG and he is better than DeRozan IMO. However, I disagree about the Knicks not needing a PG. That seems to be their biggest need now in my opinion. Duhon is a backup at best. They don’t want Douglas being the starting PG either. That wouldn’t lead to many wins. Douglas can play some minutes at PG when needed with no problem but lets face it…he is more of a combo guard. Who knows maybe the Knicks wise up and sign Sessions.

I also think Hill will better than Wilcox.

I’m sorry, I didnt write in the post. They did not need a PG in the Draft. We knew who were there potentially at PG in FA.

Sessions, Felton etc. I think Jennings is a great player but I think he will not be a all-star.

If we can add Ramon Sessions for the MLE (which i hate) and Tim Thomas (rumor they may add him) we could be better off.

yeah the knicks have had enough with the crazy guards. they couldnt risk getting jennings and his sorry attitude

Toney Douglas isnt a starting PG, they might as well let Duhon run the team again. Duhon is a better passer and will be able to run the offense better anyway. And you think Tim Thomas is the way yo go instead of Brandon Jennings?

I dunno. As a Knick fan I feel this is our best year to get to the playoffs and with that, I rather have a rookie PF then a rookie PG. I think if we add a PG like Andre Miller or Ramon Sessions, we could make some noise. Adding Sessions can even improve us for 2010.

I hope we add Almond as well.

Douglas is more of a PG who can get some time on the bench and learn how to run Mike D’s system.

You have a rookie PG. What do you mean you’d rather have a rookie PF than a rookie PG? You couldve took Jennings and then took a PF with the pick you traded for. That wouldve been better because it seems likely were not talking about a star in Hill, were talking about a guy thats a more than likely role player off the bench. Brandon Jennings is a starter caliber PG.

Why does everyone keep mentioning ‘in this system’. This is a players league, not a coaches league. In 5 years when we evaluate this draft, only thing people will look at are the all stars picked after #8 that the Knicks screwed up on.

They will NOT get a pass b/c of their coach b/c most likely Dantoni wont be there by then.

Sam Bowie fit Portland’s ‘system’ at the time and Jordan didnt..we see how that worked out

Maybe they see amare like potential from hill.

We do have a rookie PG but Douglas wont start. Hill will come off the bench now but I’m saying this right now : he can be very good. People keep saying he would be a role player off the bench at best. I disagree with that. He will be a very solid player like a 18-10 type player. I think Jennings is a starter but that attitude….would you give him a 6 year-75 million dollar contract? People keep calling him a all-star, well we seen what hype does to some players.

Also, The Knicks just needed a backup PG to take Time from Duhon. The Knicks were last in shot-blocking for 3 years in a row

We Drafted another big because Harrington, Darko are FA’s next year. Curry will be shopped this year and Jefferies is trash. Hill gives up another big man who can develop nicely.

I want our starting line to be

PG-Duhon
SG-Chandler
SF-Gallnari
PF- Harrington
C-Hill

I’ve been defending for J. Hill in most situations, but for the record, I was rooting for us to draft B.Jennings also

He just going to be a nice role player, for years to come, no all-star games in his future
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Since draft night, i’ve been happier about Douglas than Hill

Douglas is known as a short 2-guard, and now hes trying to prove that he can play the point, and surprisingly hes not shooting well, but 21 assist & 2 turnovers in 2 games seems like a damn good point guard to me, and he hasnt been able to score, but we all know thats what he does best…

&We should of had drafted a PG, if not Jennings maybe even Jrue..but I still dont see why we drafted a big
We have Jeffries, Curry, Harrington, Nilo, Milicic, and maybe Curry….we already had an overloaded frontcourt, filled with a bunch of untradeable players, why draft another big?

Who would you rather have Jordan Hill & Douglas or Jennings & Blair

This is exactly why the Knicks had a mediocre draft

“I want our starting line to be

PG-Duhon
SG-Chandler
SF-Gallnari
PF- Harrington
C-Hill”

Yuck.

I swear if yall were the Memphis Knicks nobody would give 2 shyts about yall. I can honestly say yall have the least promising roster in the NBA. Even Minny has Al Jefferson, OKC has Durant, yall prize possession is your city. SMH

s2jepeka- yeah but after the 2010 free agency the Knicks’ roster is going to look a lot different

We cannot change that now. I think the Knicks right now…are a GOOD team

I think the line most well known or most infamous works better then most popular IMO.

I think the Knicks are really underrated right now. I would not be shocked if we pull in a playoff bid.

“While Jennings been playing excellent in Summer League, helping his team to a 4-0 record, what has Hill or Douglas done? Nothing!!! Douglas been racking up assists, but the Knicks are still what 0-2 or 0-3..Their gonna regret not drafting Jennings.”

Ha ha once again, we have another person who’s jumping to conclusions based on 2-3 games of summer league. Patience bruh. It’s too soon right now to make judgements.

Once Curry, Flynn and Rubio were not available, Jordan Hill was the best pick. NOBODY denies the talent of Jennings. It’s that he’s young, didn’t play overseas and his attitude is unpredictable. The Knicks passing on Jennings is his own fault. After going through what they went through w/ Marbury, you can’t blame them for passing on him. After they did, he trashed their organization and even players from the team that drafted him.

that starting lineup is going to get the Knicks right back in the lottery!! i wouldn’t say that j. hill will be a bust or just a role player but knickboy HE WILL NOT AVG. ANY WHERE NEAR 18pts and 10 rebs AT ANY POINT IN HIS CAREER!!! by saying that u pretty much think he is going to have a boarderline HALL OF FAME CAREER….. coming on thats crazy!!! thats t. duncan better than k. garnett numbers

i know sometimes i let the home team love blind me too but lets keep things realitic and pretend like we know something about ball

I wouldn’t be shocked either but it would be as the 8th seed and because of the style of play, not the players they have. Their lineup really isn’t that talented and they have no go to players. I think them winning games has a lot more to do with their coach then their players.

The Knicks are not a good team right now. Thats something everyone is willing to admit, but they may be in a few years. But as of now they arent a good team, especially if they lose Lil Nate and/or David Lee.

I would be shocked if the Knicks made the playoffs. I mean I can name 10 teams in the East that are definitely qutie a bit better than the Knicks. I say New York has no chance of a playoff appearance. The Knicks, Bucks, & Nets are the worst 3 teams in the East right now.

Whoa…18 and 10 are Duncan and Garnett numbers?!?!?!?! Go check yourself.

Not a career 18 and 10 guy. He could be in the area. You forget the Knicks have some ok players man. Maybe that starting line is crazy but the Knicks have the MLE to add another good player (maybe even Odom) you have the VM (who your using to add Tim Thomas) and Morris Almond.

Don’t forget, the Knicks were in the playoff race last year until Duhon ran out of gas…

I think the Knicks have a shot at the playoffs. If they lose Lee and Nate I think they are probably lottery bound for sure but Dantoni improved that team with a rotation that changed almost every week because of all the trades Walsh made. Imagine what he can do with a set rotation for a whole year. Dantoni is a great coach and if anyone can lead that team to the playoffs he can. 2 sub .500 teams usually make the playoffs in the east as well, so I wouldn’t count NY completely out yet.

Also, I think we may acutally get something for Lee

If Robinson goes to Greece, we still own his rights

I mean the Knicks aren’t better than the Pacers, Bobcats, or Heat. It just happens that I think the Pacers, Bobcats, & Heat won’t make the playoffs either. Knicks have no chance.

Last season no one thought the Wizards would miss the playoffs, but injuries caused them to suck..
You never know when a team will get a couple of bad injuries and start to suck..

I thought the Clippers were a potential playoff team last season, or even an 8th seed contender, but no1 expected them to suck last season, well not as bad as they did

Point is, you never know when a team can suck, and become mediocre, miss the playoffs and open a gate for another team to make the playoffs

Last season the 8th seed in the east made the playoffs with 39 wins, the Knicks had 32…
So, you cant really count ANY team out…

by lose lee and nate I mean they are not playing for the knicks next year, not necessarily lose their rights.

True, free agency will help but not as much as people think.

You cant cut off your nose to spite your face. I agree that all of the salary dumping was necessary but who will their unborn star play with? With the salary cap lowered, now they can only get 1 max player. Best bet is Amare or Bosh, cuz Wade or Bron aint comin to play with these gumps. If they were honest they would recognize they are in a long term rebuilding mode. Looking at the quality of teams that are saying forget 2010, we’re getting better NOW (Orlando, Boston, Miami) Lebron and Wade would be a fool to go to NY. Mark my words, all this hype the past 3 years, they’ll end up overpaying for some good (not great) player (Josh Howard), older star (Pierce, Allen), or combo of both (Redd).

Umm…People dont understand….The Cap doesnt matter with the Knicks

the current cap is 57.7 million. it will go down to about 55.8 million in 2010-2011

The Knicks have Darko (7 mill), Harrington (9 mill) and Hughes (12 mill) off the books.

We can still add 2 superstars.

When The Cap goes down, the Base Salaries go down. Former GM Billy King said that on ESPN.

Yup yup. Aren’t you one of those people who always take my points for no reason?

Dhamp…the most popular user on this site. Hubie Brown dedicator.

thats not the point knickboy!!! the point is that NO ONE that is a superstar/franchise player is going to go to a team that has less talent than Memphis! the Knicks will have the money to pay two players superstar money but will they be signing two superstars VERY UNLIKELY!!!

Not true.

1st off, Memphis is cheap and Rudy Gay is gone in 2010

2nd, You never answer that 18-10 are Duncan and Garnett Numbers

3rd, The Knicks attract more FA’s than Memphis. Chandler is a good player who can be a good #3 option, Gallo can be a #3 option. Curry can be a #3 option. Hill and Douglas will get some good PT and then you have 5 players who have played. Adding a player like Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh to a team who has some legit options.

The reason why the Knicks are big players in 2010 is because many people around the NBA know the Knicks can add 2 good players.

some food for thought knickboy… u said u can see j. hill avg. “around” 18 pts and 10 rebs

t. duncan who everyone will acknowledge is one of the greatest big man in the history of the game and a sure Hall of Famer… Career avg of 21.4pts and 11.7 rebs 08-09 season 19.3pts and 10.7 rebs

k. garnett again one of the better big man in the game and future Hall of Famer… Career avg of 20.2 pts and 11.1 rebs
08-09 season 15.8pts and 8.5 rebs

if what u project as j.hill average numbers u would be putting him some elite company… thats all i was saying and i know ur a “numbers guy” so i figure i would put it in ur language so u can understand!! and if j. hill can avg 18pts and 10 rebs in his rookie season just imagine what his career is going to be like…lol

I never said a career 18-10 type player. I said i can see him like 18-10 type guy around that area. LOL, What if he does?

I think Hill will average like 10 points, 6 rebounds and like a block in limited time.

Knickboy we are cool and all but Horace Grant was a great power forward and player and if Hill were to match what Grant can do then the Knicks got a steal. I think Hill will be okay. You have to look at his development in college and also as he gets used to the game he should develop nicely here. If Lee and Nate sign one year qualifiers, it may not matter. The Knicks want to keep Lee but they thought someone would offer him a huge long contract that they did not want to match. That has not happened so the Knicks can wait to sign Lee long term next season after they grab a great free agent. I hope Lee does not feel slighted by what is happening now because it is not personal.

Do you guys really think Jordan Hill will be BETTER than Drew Gooden? Drew Gooden has been a double-double guy since he stepped foot into the league and is a underrated difference maker who seems to get traded like pokeman cards. But if my memory serves me correctly Drew Gooden was a better player WITH more upside than Jordan Hill coming out of college. So, how can ANY of you say Jordan Hill will be better and a STUD? LOL… Every Knicks lottery pick is a joke. Dano Gallinari? Seriously?

Just let this be known Horace Grant made it to an All-Star game… You see that in Jordan Hill’s future? LOL…

And good to see you back D Hamp….

knickbooy nice way to back track…lol i dont know when 10 and 6 was around 18 and 10 hahahahaha!! its OK u can say that u drank too much of the cool aid and got alit excited watching the youtube clips and hearing the amare comparisons… nobody will hold it against u but the problem is u then say him play.. and all those thoughts went out the WINDOW!!

sheldtwon i have to agree with u that if j. hill has a career anything like h. grant that would be huge for the knicks provided that they get that franchise player anytime soon.. the knicks fans can only hope to get so lucky b/c i dont see j. hill have a career as good as h. grant who was a real warrior

tuck243- if Drew Gooden is so great then how come no teams have signed him yet. Every team he goes too he isn’t even a factor. No team wants to keep him for very long.

I could care less about who had more hype coming out of college. Jordan Hill is the better player and will prove over his career.

Well Come on…i didnt mean 18-10 rookie season.

“I never said a career 18-10 type player”….. “I said i can see him like 18-10 type guy around that area.” LOL… What’s the freaking difference? Some of y’all are crazy….

LMAO….your a idiot.

Jordan Hill could be a solid player who for a good amount of season can be a guy who averages 18 points and 10 rebounds…

There are you happy?

how is going to do that… the only way that is going to happen is if in his first game he goes for 18 and 10 and the only way i see that happening is if the knicks go to an 5 or 6 overtime period game..

knickboy… like i said just say U GOT EXCITED and went wayyyyy overboard on this one

first off… would ny want the so called “moxy, swagger, and charisma” brandon jennings has??? probably not… second off one of jordan hill’s biggest setbacks right now is his conditioning… and playing in the D’antoni offense might be a little tough with all the running hes doing… just give him a little bit… you wont regret it… summer league means nothing…

Whatever, we will see in the NBA season.

I think he can be a legit 18-10 option for like 4-6 seasons…..

in his rookie season, he will come off the bench and be a guy who can average a 10ppg, 6rpg and 1bpg guy

For 2 look at what he provides for teams. Rebounding, decent D (decent only), and about a 15 foot jump shot with an occasional post move… SOLID… But you talk about FA and you fail to realize, Andre Miller, Felton, Odom, Sessions, Williams…. Are FA too and no one is knocking down their door right now… Chill… He will find a home… He’s just undervalued IDK if its the attitude he has or what but he can’t stay with a team. But he gives you solid production. And it DOES matter who had more hype out of college or who was the better player out of college because Jordan Hill hasn’t played a min. versus NBA talent and you guys are already saying he will be WAY better than Drew and Horace Grant… So, I went by what we can ONLY go by is when they were at this point in their careers. And Drew Gooden IS considered the better player from that stand point.

Y’all just need to calm down and realize what WE’VE been saying before this draft. The Draft is weak before it and after it, it’s still weak. Jordan Hill last year wouldn’t be NEAR the Lottery and this year he could have went as high as 4 and some of you are saying he’s a 18 and 10 guy? Go watch some damn basketball… And Knickboy go UNDERSTAND the NBA and the business of it… Only how you can sign 2 superstars is IF teams do a sign and trade… You can’t go over the salary cap to sign players without their bird rights… The Knicks will still be in the hole with Jefferies and Curry… Two players NO ONE will take… For what? People are shedding for 2010 too or for lower luxury tax. You guys will have to take on players with longer contracts for them to give you a favor like that. Or trade WITH a player someone wants… Two players I can think of Nate and Lee… Other than that your ROSTER SUCKS… NO way, shape, or form you can look at that roster and say we are contenders this year…

Why would I take your points away for no reason? Your points are low enough, you lose points with the dumb stuff you say…Devo being drafted, Nuggets beating Lakers, Lakers winning next 3 ships, Dwight overrated. Maybe if half your posts didn’t suck you wouldn’t lose points. Hahaha

uhhh. tuck go check out the salaries of NY after 2010…..we have alot of cap space and we can sign to FA’s

You know nothing…. You have enough room to sign one FRANCHISE player not two… And still that’s only one spot on your roster. What bothers me about you Knicks fans is that you guys fail to realize you need a supporting cast. And players aren’t willing to take the minimum salary… I already did the numbers on you guys a minute ago. But since YOU fail to understand I will spit it out again. The Knicks TODAY have a number of contracts on their roster that exceeds 2010. You have Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill, Eddy Curry, Jareed Jefferies, Dano Gallinari and Toney Douglas… That’s about 27-29 million there… The salary cap is going to be about 55 mil. so, “IF” you guys sign ANY one player to the max deal (which their respective team will). That’s instantly 17 million off of what you guys have… So, thats what? About 47t Million gone? Now, you have 8 million left to give, Amare, Bosh, Wade, or LBJ aren’t taking that. So, who is next Micheal Redd? Tracy? I’m sure if both come back to have solid years next year 8 million wouldn’t be enough and you have to complete your roster… And “IF’ y’all use your MLE this year you WONT have it next year. So, that Idea is gone… And No you can NOT sign a FA first then sign back your players i.e. Nate and D. Lee… So, don’t bring that ish up….

You know nothing…. You have enough room to sign one FRANCHISE player not two

you probably can’t read. How many legit Franchise players are there in 2010? one (James)

The Cap is going down next season to about 55. mil and the Knicks will have Duhon (6 mil), Darko (7 mil), Harrington (9 mil) and Hughes (12 mil) off the books .that’s over half the cap.

If we give anyone the Max deal….that would be James.

Trust Almond will take the Minimum deal or go to Europe…..

And No you can NOT sign a FA first then sign back your players i.e. Nate and D. Lee…

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? if im correct, didnt the Mavs offer Gortat the MLE then Resign Kidd?

MLE is considered a Mid-Level Exception… Which key word is Exception… Meaning Exception to the salary cap… You can sign a player once every two years to a MLE and still be OVER the salary cap (or if the Knick use theirs this year Under it). And trust me, Amare, Wade, and Bosh are getting the MAX deal. If you think they aren’t then you’re dumb…

But here’s what you DON’T see with your team. YOU are OVER the Salary Cap… If you noticed I didn’t mention all the players you just named that are coming off your books. BUT, you still have players that are STILL under contract thru 2010 and your team’s salary comes out to be almost 30 mil. which is killing the Knicks and their chances of getting more than one Superstar…

What is there NOT to understand? You don’t know how to count? Unless you guys unload Curry or Jefferies on somebody you won’t sign any pair Wade, LeBron, Bosh, or Amare… But I’m STILL trying to remind you, You need at LEAST 12 players on a team… And the players that you will have aren’t enticing enough to play with…

OK…what if we don’t use the MLE?

We will still have 34 mil off the books…Excuse me…43 mil off the books (forgot Mobley’s contract which is still on the books)

We have some young players. I’m not saying ” OH we are getting WADE,BOSH AND LBJ!” I know that’s not gonna happen but we can still add 2 good players and maybe a 1 max deal.

Let’s say we add Lebron (Max deal) and Joe Johnson? Then maybe when Curry’s deal is off the books, we can add another good player in 2011?

Right now…the players aren’t enticing right now. What if Gallo steps up in year 2? What if Chandler steps him game up like he did last year? What if Hill and Douglas show these players are solid rookies? We don’t know…we gotta wait.

If you don’t use the MLE… What superstar will take 5 mil a year? The MLE is just going to get you a role player… That’s number one… OK….

Number two, What you seem to be blind about is OTHER TEAMS… And how about their CURRENT teams? They all can get MAX deals WITH more years with their current team… And Joe Johnson isn’t about to take 8 million dollars… Lamar Odom isn’t trying to take 9 and you think JJ is going to take 8? LOL… With that roster? LOL…

And I DON’T care how MUCH money is coming off by 2010… You guys WILL have 30 Million in salary still… WHAT? Are you dumb? Get the contracts that you are losing out of your head and understand that you STILL have contracts past 2010… And with a 55 million dollar salary cap is hard to get 2 max players…

And still that roster ISN’T nice… STOP…

I liked the Douglas pick before. Now that he has shown ability to play the point I love the pick. He is a good defensive player and scorer(even though he hasnt shown it in summer league.) Now he has shown he can play the point I think he will have a successful NBA career.

I never really liked the Hill pick though. I always wondered why people raved about him. He used to disappear in games and he is doing it now. He couldnt do anything in the paint against Daye or Summers. He did ok against Thabeet who I think will be a bust anyways. He is weaker than I thought in the paint and he has the bad habit of playing outside too much. He hasnt rebounded very well either.

I wanted to draft Jennings and Brown but now it looks like Summers was a steal.

on talking about a team with 0% chance of playoffs? answer: because 3/4 of the people on this site are knick fans with low IQs.

You just said on the other post how you dont hate the Knicks but you continue to bash them?

because i hate you, the fan.

Ok…Im not a average fan…and I just asked to stop hating on the Knicks…

Dont have to be a ass about it..