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  • #64392
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    CU.LIONS
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    Well we have been talking draft forever. Now it’s done. Who are the Winners and Losers of this draft

    For losers. I’ll nominate my Celtics. Not because I don’t like their picks, But because after all the talk of assets and trades, Ainge basically got nothing done..We don’t even have room for all these picks.

    quite disappointed in that.

    Winner I would say Phoenix. I like the talent and potential of their picks.

    Obviously Philly getting Simmons was great, but that was a no brainer. They still have major holes at guard and a culluster F*ck at the big man spots.

    opinions on your teams??

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  • #1076834
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    Endlessknight
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    I’m biased but I think the Sixers had a great draft, not just because of Simmons but also they got great vaule at need positions with their other 2 first round picks.

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  • #1076942
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    Endlessknight
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    I’m biased but I think the Sixers had a great draft, not just because of Simmons but also they got great vaule at need positions with their other 2 first round picks.

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  • #1076836
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    Endlessknight
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    I’m biased but I think the Sixers had a great draft, not just because of Simmons but also they got great vaule at need positions with their other 2 first round picks.

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  • #1076945
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    Endlessknight
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    I’m biased but I think the Sixers had a great draft, not just because of Simmons but also they got great vaule at need positions with their other 2 first round picks.

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  • #1076844
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    Luwawu and Korkmaz falling to the late 20’s was a gift for Philly. Quick way to add some shooying to the roster. That along with the best player in the draft. Clear winners.

    Looks like San Antonio didn’t have to move up at all. Dejaunte Murray will likely flourish in Texas and is a great piece for the Spurs going forward. His potential is limitless with SA.

    I really like what Detroit did. Ellenson didn’t really fall but it was a solid pick and good fit. Gbinjie is also a great fit later in the draft.

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    • #1077010
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      I agree about the 76ers. Luwawu and Korkmaz should hit 3’s and give Simmons an outlet. Korkmaz is ready not, Luwawu has more upside and hopefully a lock-down defender. I think they won the draft.

      I can’t believe the Spurs got Dejounte at the end of the 1st after they got Looney at the end last year.

      Of the teams that took multiple players, I thought the Suns, Pelicans, Thunder, Hawks, Bulls, Warriors and Rockets all did decently.

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    • #1076902
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      I agree about the 76ers. Luwawu and Korkmaz should hit 3’s and give Simmons an outlet. Korkmaz is ready not, Luwawu has more upside and hopefully a lock-down defender. I think they won the draft.

      I can’t believe the Spurs got Dejounte at the end of the 1st after they got Looney at the end last year.

      Of the teams that took multiple players, I thought the Suns, Pelicans, Thunder, Hawks, Bulls, Warriors and Rockets all did decently.

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      • #1077038
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        Choppy
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         Didn’t Golden State get Looney with the 30th pick?

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      • #1076930
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        Choppy
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         Didn’t Golden State get Looney with the 30th pick?

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  • #1076952
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    Luwawu and Korkmaz falling to the late 20’s was a gift for Philly. Quick way to add some shooying to the roster. That along with the best player in the draft. Clear winners.

    Looks like San Antonio didn’t have to move up at all. Dejaunte Murray will likely flourish in Texas and is a great piece for the Spurs going forward. His potential is limitless with SA.

    I really like what Detroit did. Ellenson didn’t really fall but it was a solid pick and good fit. Gbinjie is also a great fit later in the draft.

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  • #1076850
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    My team didn’t make any pick in the draft. I like what the Thunder did. They easily won that trade with Orlando. Philly getting Luwawu and Korkmaz was fantastic, Korkmaz could be a starting shooting guard in this league. Milwaukee swung for the fences. Last time they did that they hit it out of the park (Giannis). I really like Thon as a prospect.

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  • #1076958
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    My team didn’t make any pick in the draft. I like what the Thunder did. They easily won that trade with Orlando. Philly getting Luwawu and Korkmaz was fantastic, Korkmaz could be a starting shooting guard in this league. Milwaukee swung for the fences. Last time they did that they hit it out of the park (Giannis). I really like Thon as a prospect.

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  • #1076852
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    Denver is the big winner in my book. Mudiay & Murray are going to be perfect compliments for each other going forward. Beasley & Hernangomez I project as solid rotation players too.

    Memphis getting Baldwin and then Deyonta Davis in the 2nd round. Some much needed young talent in case they end up losing Conley and eventually blowing it up.

    OKC I like the trade on paper.

    Serge I expect to be much more productive numbers wise with the fresh start in Orlando.

    PHX got both of their guys in the top 10, and got Booker his best friend

     

    Losers:

    The only team that made head scratching moves to me was Atlanta. Prince at 12 was puzzling

    Boston not cashing in on anything has to sting. However, I do like Brown there more than most.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1076960
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    Denver is the big winner in my book. Mudiay & Murray are going to be perfect compliments for each other going forward. Beasley & Hernangomez I project as solid rotation players too.

    Memphis getting Baldwin and then Deyonta Davis in the 2nd round. Some much needed young talent in case they end up losing Conley and eventually blowing it up.

    OKC I like the trade on paper.

    Serge I expect to be much more productive numbers wise with the fresh start in Orlando.

    PHX got both of their guys in the top 10, and got Booker his best friend

     

    Losers:

    The only team that made head scratching moves to me was Atlanta. Prince at 12 was puzzling

    Boston not cashing in on anything has to sting. However, I do like Brown there more than most.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1076848
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    Winner: Oklahoma City, getting an established starting shooting guard with perhaps more potential to unlock, a proven reserve big that can shoot, and a lottery pick with skills, a high motor, and world class basketball pedigree for a player who has appeared to regress the last two seasons was highway robbery in my opinion. Also it unlocks more minutes for Steven Adams and Enes Kanter, Sam Presti swindles Orlando.

    Winner: Philadelphia, not only did they get the best player in the draft, but they also got extremely nice value out of their late first round picks Both Luwawu and Kormaz were slated to be considered in the late lottery and to get them at the end of the first round has to be percieved as a monster win.

     

    Loser: Sacramento, while they were very active, they essentially traded a gifted Marquese Chriss who fell to them at 8 unexpectedly for a relatively unknown in Papagiannas and a guy who had a hard time cracking a college rotation, who both play the positions of their most prized assets (Cousins, WCS). Standard Sacramento Brain fart.

     

    Loser:Toronto, Had a chance to swing for the fences at 9, and went with what most percieve to be a safe pick in Poetl who plays the same position as one of their franchise center pieces, and with their 2nd 1st rounder they reach on a guy who admittedly didn’t want to be a basketball player.

     

    Time will tell: Milawukee, two words, Thon Maker.

     

    Time will tell: Boston, it doesn’t look like what most Celtics fans hoped it would, but Danny Ainge has a wait and see track record and I trust the process. I like Zizic at 22 but Yabusele at 16 smells like something my foul.Jaylen Brown should be able to ease into the rotation if indeed he stays in Celtic Green

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1076874
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      J-rueMykel
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      very* foul 

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    • #1076982
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      J-rueMykel
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      very* foul 

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  • #1076956
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    Winner: Oklahoma City, getting an established starting shooting guard with perhaps more potential to unlock, a proven reserve big that can shoot, and a lottery pick with skills, a high motor, and world class basketball pedigree for a player who has appeared to regress the last two seasons was highway robbery in my opinion. Also it unlocks more minutes for Steven Adams and Enes Kanter, Sam Presti swindles Orlando.

    Winner: Philadelphia, not only did they get the best player in the draft, but they also got extremely nice value out of their late first round picks Both Luwawu and Kormaz were slated to be considered in the late lottery and to get them at the end of the first round has to be percieved as a monster win.

     

    Loser: Sacramento, while they were very active, they essentially traded a gifted Marquese Chriss who fell to them at 8 unexpectedly for a relatively unknown in Papagiannas and a guy who had a hard time cracking a college rotation, who both play the positions of their most prized assets (Cousins, WCS). Standard Sacramento Brain fart.

     

    Loser:Toronto, Had a chance to swing for the fences at 9, and went with what most percieve to be a safe pick in Poetl who plays the same position as one of their franchise center pieces, and with their 2nd 1st rounder they reach on a guy who admittedly didn’t want to be a basketball player.

     

    Time will tell: Milawukee, two words, Thon Maker.

     

    Time will tell: Boston, it doesn’t look like what most Celtics fans hoped it would, but Danny Ainge has a wait and see track record and I trust the process. I like Zizic at 22 but Yabusele at 16 smells like something my foul.Jaylen Brown should be able to ease into the rotation if indeed he stays in Celtic Green

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1076870
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     Loser has to be Sacramento. Papagiannis at 13?? Couldve bought a 2nd to get him. Skal is a huge risk, and his only game action was pretty bad. Malachi is a bad shot taker who got hot once..not a fan of their haul..which is unfortunately not surprising.

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  • #1076978
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     Loser has to be Sacramento. Papagiannis at 13?? Couldve bought a 2nd to get him. Skal is a huge risk, and his only game action was pretty bad. Malachi is a bad shot taker who got hot once..not a fan of their haul..which is unfortunately not surprising.

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  • #1076876
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     Winner for me is the Thunder. Highway robbery just for Serge Ibaka. Spurs as well for getting Dejounte Murray. Grizzlies did well by taking Wade Baldwin IV and Deyonta Davis in the 2nd round.

    Loser for me is Orlando. Ibaka is not the same player he once was and it was too much just for him. Atlanta as well. Prince at 12 wasn’t bad but they could have him at 21 instead of 12. Brooklyn also because Levert has injury issues and they could have used this pick to swing for the fences.

     

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  • #1076984
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     Winner for me is the Thunder. Highway robbery just for Serge Ibaka. Spurs as well for getting Dejounte Murray. Grizzlies did well by taking Wade Baldwin IV and Deyonta Davis in the 2nd round.

    Loser for me is Orlando. Ibaka is not the same player he once was and it was too much just for him. Atlanta as well. Prince at 12 wasn’t bad but they could have him at 21 instead of 12. Brooklyn also because Levert has injury issues and they could have used this pick to swing for the fences.

     

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  • #1077002
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    If Serge Ibaka is 26 years old, then I’m 15.

    He relied on his athleticism a lot…and I can clearly see that its slipping. 

    Plus his face just looks dang old. 

    Brutal move for Magic

     

     

     

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  • #1076894
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    If Serge Ibaka is 26 years old, then I’m 15.

    He relied on his athleticism a lot…and I can clearly see that its slipping. 

    Plus his face just looks dang old. 

    Brutal move for Magic

     

     

     

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    • #1077092
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       Lol wtf, you was just going ham on the Thon Maker’s age thread about him wrong accused of being older, now it’s fine to do that with Serge??

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    • #1076985
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       Lol wtf, you was just going ham on the Thon Maker’s age thread about him wrong accused of being older, now it’s fine to do that with Serge??

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  • #1077004
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     I agree w/ Most of it – It was a very weak Draft overall  –  I just don’t get what Aigne was doing though

     I know he wanted a Star but no one would play ball – so at some point you gotta make deal w/ Philly for that #3 pick

    Jaylen Brown does Nothing for Boston this year or next – it was a complete waste for the C’s at #3 – Aigne just thru it away

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  • #1076896
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     I agree w/ Most of it – It was a very weak Draft overall  –  I just don’t get what Aigne was doing though

     I know he wanted a Star but no one would play ball – so at some point you gotta make deal w/ Philly for that #3 pick

    Jaylen Brown does Nothing for Boston this year or next – it was a complete waste for the C’s at #3 – Aigne just thru it away

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  • #1077090
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    binet
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     I was on the camp that felt Boston should trade #3 to Philly (and I guess we will never know what the deliberations were for that deal), but I must admit they did tremendously.

    Jaylen Brown was described as the player with the most upside aside from Simmons-Ingram and maybe Bender, and he has the profile of players that can contribute right away à la Stanley Johnson or Justise Winslow from last year. He also will be very relevant for one of the celtics missions in the post-season: containing LeBron. I am not saying he is going to be as good as Crowder in that regard or good enough, but I think it’s really important to have several guys you can put on LeBron or that can switch on him, and Brown should be able to contribute as 15min defender on LeBron. It’s really important to have your guy guarding LeBron fresh, so an athletic, determined and smart young guy from the bench to help Crowder et al. rest should be key. The guy will need to develop a lot of other aspects of his game though, but that could be something to work in the summer league.

    Yabusele seems incredible even as high as 16. The guy is a monster physically, while coming at a young age from Europe and France. When you see the physical upgrade that europeans, and french in particular (Gobert, Fournier, Lauvergne, Batum), I think that the guy could become trully amazing physically. His game fits really well Boston on paper, being a Draymond  Green style stretch 4. He probably does not see the game as well as Draymond but could be way more dominant inside, and turn into a Draymond-Ben Wallace hybrid. Honestly, depending on your confidence in developping him yourself rather than his french team, he may even be helpful this upcoming season. I also think that his numbers in France are very good, since Pro A is a decent competition out there (Gobert numbers in the same league at same age were 19 starts, 23 mins, 8.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg ; Yabusele 34 starts (losing team though), 28.7 mins, 11.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg ). He also is french which is a nation with great track records in the league, and players that adapts well to the US, that are usually altruistic, humble and team first mentally. 

    Zizic seems like a decent bet, since a lot of euro bigs are starters or role players in the NBA, my bet is they intend to stash him.Demetrius Jackson and Ben Bentil have obviously a great mentality and work ethic, and even though they should be at the deep end of the roster, they should be great there, as humble and tough hard workers, and I foresee them having more playing time than former lottery pick James Young. Nader I am less high on him.

    Other teams that did well or had luck: the sixers (luck in my opinion, but good move to bet on europeans for shooting, if they are not good enough, they’ll still have two picks in the lottery next season), Clippers (diamond stone seems great, french PG interesting bet, Brice Johnson will be good off-the-bench against small-ball lineups)

    Losers: Sacramento obviously (it’s hard to even think about doing worse, only positive is Isaiah Cousins at 59), Denver (I think their roster is a nonsense right now, they should have made a Faried deal, Mudiay-Harris-Barton is a young core that did not really want Jamal Murray and Malik Beasley in there, Juan Hernangomez seems decent but undersized and at a power forward position they clearly don’t need him next year, with knee-injured galinari becoming a stretch-four and Kenneth Faried, I feel he won’t play, they really needed an athletic 3&D guy at Small Forward. They might end up trading later and making this look decent though, since the players are good, it’s just the roster that does not look right).

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1076983
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    binet
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     I was on the camp that felt Boston should trade #3 to Philly (and I guess we will never know what the deliberations were for that deal), but I must admit they did tremendously.

    Jaylen Brown was described as the player with the most upside aside from Simmons-Ingram and maybe Bender, and he has the profile of players that can contribute right away à la Stanley Johnson or Justise Winslow from last year. He also will be very relevant for one of the celtics missions in the post-season: containing LeBron. I am not saying he is going to be as good as Crowder in that regard or good enough, but I think it’s really important to have several guys you can put on LeBron or that can switch on him, and Brown should be able to contribute as 15min defender on LeBron. It’s really important to have your guy guarding LeBron fresh, so an athletic, determined and smart young guy from the bench to help Crowder et al. rest should be key. The guy will need to develop a lot of other aspects of his game though, but that could be something to work in the summer league.

    Yabusele seems incredible even as high as 16. The guy is a monster physically, while coming at a young age from Europe and France. When you see the physical upgrade that europeans, and french in particular (Gobert, Fournier, Lauvergne, Batum), I think that the guy could become trully amazing physically. His game fits really well Boston on paper, being a Draymond  Green style stretch 4. He probably does not see the game as well as Draymond but could be way more dominant inside, and turn into a Draymond-Ben Wallace hybrid. Honestly, depending on your confidence in developping him yourself rather than his french team, he may even be helpful this upcoming season. I also think that his numbers in France are very good, since Pro A is a decent competition out there (Gobert numbers in the same league at same age were 19 starts, 23 mins, 8.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg ; Yabusele 34 starts (losing team though), 28.7 mins, 11.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg ). He also is french which is a nation with great track records in the league, and players that adapts well to the US, that are usually altruistic, humble and team first mentally. 

    Zizic seems like a decent bet, since a lot of euro bigs are starters or role players in the NBA, my bet is they intend to stash him.Demetrius Jackson and Ben Bentil have obviously a great mentality and work ethic, and even though they should be at the deep end of the roster, they should be great there, as humble and tough hard workers, and I foresee them having more playing time than former lottery pick James Young. Nader I am less high on him.

    Other teams that did well or had luck: the sixers (luck in my opinion, but good move to bet on europeans for shooting, if they are not good enough, they’ll still have two picks in the lottery next season), Clippers (diamond stone seems great, french PG interesting bet, Brice Johnson will be good off-the-bench against small-ball lineups)

    Losers: Sacramento obviously (it’s hard to even think about doing worse, only positive is Isaiah Cousins at 59), Denver (I think their roster is a nonsense right now, they should have made a Faried deal, Mudiay-Harris-Barton is a young core that did not really want Jamal Murray and Malik Beasley in there, Juan Hernangomez seems decent but undersized and at a power forward position they clearly don’t need him next year, with knee-injured galinari becoming a stretch-four and Kenneth Faried, I feel he won’t play, they really needed an athletic 3&D guy at Small Forward. They might end up trading later and making this look decent though, since the players are good, it’s just the roster that does not look right).

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1077035
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    Teams that I think won:

    Okc by even getting into the draft to take Sabonis(who has solid potential) and getting Victor O.. For Ibaka

    Minnesota:Had Dunn fell into the t-wolves lap at 5..Who people see having that J-wall light type potential..

    Denver: getting Jamal Murray at 7 I could see this guy initially being an ideal 6th man for the Nuggets..With that brandon roy/curry type potential to progress into the starting lineup eventually..

     

    Spurs:Getting a potential lottery pick in D murray who could eventually replace parker..

     

    Risk takers:

     Phoenix they went high potential and high upside but also that high bust chance type of move which is either going to make them look like winners or losers in 2-3 years..

    Boston: Took a flier on Brown which is going to:

    look amazing if he reaches that ceiling but if he fails not taking offered trade may look really really bad in a couple of years..

    Loser:

    Atlanta: traded a past allstar for a pick..However their picks were really low risk low return type of moves

    For example Taking Taurean prince(taking a demarre carrol clone) and then took a player actually got worse as his college career in Deandre instead of taking a flier on: Skal,Davis,D Murray and maybe a few others who would have higher potential return

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Teams that I think won:

    Okc by even getting into the draft to take Sabonis(who has solid potential) and getting Victor O.. For Ibaka

    Minnesota:Had Dunn fell into the t-wolves lap at 5..Who people see having that J-wall light type potential..

    Denver: getting Jamal Murray at 7 I could see this guy initially being an ideal 6th man for the Nuggets..With that brandon roy/curry type potential to progress into the starting lineup eventually..

     

    Spurs:Getting a potential lottery pick in D murray who could eventually replace parker..

     

    Risk takers:

     Phoenix they went high potential and high upside but also that high bust chance type of move which is either going to make them look like winners or losers in 2-3 years..

    Boston: Took a flier on Brown which is going to:

    look amazing if he reaches that ceiling but if he fails not taking offered trade may look really really bad in a couple of years..

    Loser:

    Atlanta: traded a past allstar for a pick..However their picks were really low risk low return type of moves

    For example Taking Taurean prince(taking a demarre carrol clone) and then took a player actually got worse as his college career in Deandre instead of taking a flier on: Skal,Davis,D Murray and maybe a few others who would have higher potential return

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1077097
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     Philly won the LOTTERY.  Not the actual draft.  Now, they could have LOST the Draft if messed up the pick…

    Didn’t move any pieces, now they still have that log jam inside.  They also took some more assets for the future and we don’t know how they will turn out.

    OKC WON.  The Thunder were CLOSE to getting to the Finals before their epic collapse from 3-1 up.  So, it was basically a BIG THREE last year with the Cavs, Warriors, and Thunder with some fluky plays probably determining the outcome.  OR, if they trusted the Spurs REGULAR SEASON more than the playoffs, the Spurs were right there too.  OKC HELPED THEMSELVES getting a legit 3rd option for them in Oladipo, who gives them a really, really top notch defensive team on the wing along with Russ and Roberson.  Try getting a shot off against THOSE guys.  And Russ can score from anywhere, Oladipo can score, and Roberson isn’t a knockdown 3 point shooter but he tries.  Sabonis can BOARD.  He can also score a bit and has some long range touch.  Ersan is a stretch four that they can use — he hit 37.1% from 3 last year and actually had a (slightly) higher PER last year than Serge did.  They either need a cheap shot blocker OR go out and spend their MLE (or a little bit more money) on a defensive-minded center after resigning Kevin Durant.  Jo Noah could be their extra defensive big (who can also rebound and pass).  Ezeli’s stock is probably at rock bottom.  Good athlete and solid shot blocker though.  Birdman can probably be had cheap.  Same with Andy V as a last resort.  Executive Summary: OKC made a big move to thwart a potential DUREXIT.  WINNING, DUH!

    Suns: They got some guys.  For a bad, young team on the rebuild that is the most you can expect.  WINNER.

    Minny: not a need, but Kris Dunn was arguably the best guy on the board.  Can probably move Ricky Rubio for assets.  Or not.  Shades of the 2009 draft where the T Wolves are basically loaded with point guard options with Rubio, LaVine, Dunn, and even Tyus Jones.  Probably a WIN here, at least long term.  Could be a short-term WIN depending on what they do with Rubio.  They might need to shop Rubio to the Lakers.  He could be a SHOWTIME guy for them.  They have some shooters on the wing in D Russ and now Brandon Ingram, along with some bigs with upside in Julius Randle and Larry Nance 2.0.  Rubio gives the Lakers another look at point guard along with Jordan Clarkson.  Potentially a nice 3 guard rotation of Rubio, Clarkson, and D’Angelo Russell.  … if I am LAL I want to KEEP Nance, Jr.  They might have to move him anyway.  So, I think Larry Nance, Jr., Ivaca Zubac, Ryan Kelly (sign and trade), Nick Young (sign and trade), and a future 1st round pick would be enough to get Ricky Rubio.

    Dunn, LaVine, Wiggins, Nance, Jr. and Towns would be my five man small ball(ish) lineup.  

    Cleveland: Didn’t have any picks, but LeBron James decided to skip the RIOLYMPICS aka the APOCALYMPICS so he could (presumably) rest, and, at the end of the day they are still THE CHAMPS. #WINNER

    BUCKS: FREAK-O-TON pick and roll/alley-oop potential.  W.I.N.

    WINNER: Pelicans got a good 2 guard in Buddy Hield.  Good player who fell a bit.  Great value, best guy on the board, and fills a need (outside shooting, spacing).

    LOSERS:

     Boston didn’t get much done.  Not a YUGE Jaylen Brown fan.  The Celtics have assets — but no certified BLUE CHIPS.  Maybe not a LOSER, but not a WINNER either.  #juryisstillout

    Bulls: like Denzel Valentine ok.  BUT, not sure what is going on in Chicago.  Lot’s of questions…

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    PUSH: Golden State Warriors.  Got Damian Jones as their potential Vandy replacement for Festus Ezeli.  Ended up with Patrick McCaw who is supposedly pretty good.  STILL a team coming off a 73 win series and was about 2 or 3 minutes away from winning a title.  Still in the Durant Sweepstakes.  Of the BIG FOUR teams (Cavs, Warriors, OKC, Spurs), the Warriors might have had the SECOND best night behind the Thunder.  Spurs got a guy who fell, but they are aging rapidly.  The Cavs didn’t even have a pick.

    WAIT UNITL NEXT YEAR (or until the start of the regular season): Basically every other NBA team.  The Big Four (Cavs, GSW, OKC, Spurs) still at THE TOP.  The young, bad teams at the bottom are still still young and bad but a bit less young and a bit less bad.  EVERY OTHER team (basically) is stuck in the middle — not a great place to be in the NBA historically.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1077204
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     Philly won the LOTTERY.  Not the actual draft.  Now, they could have LOST the Draft if messed up the pick…

    Didn’t move any pieces, now they still have that log jam inside.  They also took some more assets for the future and we don’t know how they will turn out.

    OKC WON.  The Thunder were CLOSE to getting to the Finals before their epic collapse from 3-1 up.  So, it was basically a BIG THREE last year with the Cavs, Warriors, and Thunder with some fluky plays probably determining the outcome.  OR, if they trusted the Spurs REGULAR SEASON more than the playoffs, the Spurs were right there too.  OKC HELPED THEMSELVES getting a legit 3rd option for them in Oladipo, who gives them a really, really top notch defensive team on the wing along with Russ and Roberson.  Try getting a shot off against THOSE guys.  And Russ can score from anywhere, Oladipo can score, and Roberson isn’t a knockdown 3 point shooter but he tries.  Sabonis can BOARD.  He can also score a bit and has some long range touch.  Ersan is a stretch four that they can use — he hit 37.1% from 3 last year and actually had a (slightly) higher PER last year than Serge did.  They either need a cheap shot blocker OR go out and spend their MLE (or a little bit more money) on a defensive-minded center after resigning Kevin Durant.  Jo Noah could be their extra defensive big (who can also rebound and pass).  Ezeli’s stock is probably at rock bottom.  Good athlete and solid shot blocker though.  Birdman can probably be had cheap.  Same with Andy V as a last resort.  Executive Summary: OKC made a big move to thwart a potential DUREXIT.  WINNING, DUH!

    Suns: They got some guys.  For a bad, young team on the rebuild that is the most you can expect.  WINNER.

    Minny: not a need, but Kris Dunn was arguably the best guy on the board.  Can probably move Ricky Rubio for assets.  Or not.  Shades of the 2009 draft where the T Wolves are basically loaded with point guard options with Rubio, LaVine, Dunn, and even Tyus Jones.  Probably a WIN here, at least long term.  Could be a short-term WIN depending on what they do with Rubio.  They might need to shop Rubio to the Lakers.  He could be a SHOWTIME guy for them.  They have some shooters on the wing in D Russ and now Brandon Ingram, along with some bigs with upside in Julius Randle and Larry Nance 2.0.  Rubio gives the Lakers another look at point guard along with Jordan Clarkson.  Potentially a nice 3 guard rotation of Rubio, Clarkson, and D’Angelo Russell.  … if I am LAL I want to KEEP Nance, Jr.  They might have to move him anyway.  So, I think Larry Nance, Jr., Ivaca Zubac, Ryan Kelly (sign and trade), Nick Young (sign and trade), and a future 1st round pick would be enough to get Ricky Rubio.

    Dunn, LaVine, Wiggins, Nance, Jr. and Towns would be my five man small ball(ish) lineup.  

    Cleveland: Didn’t have any picks, but LeBron James decided to skip the RIOLYMPICS aka the APOCALYMPICS so he could (presumably) rest, and, at the end of the day they are still THE CHAMPS. #WINNER

    BUCKS: FREAK-O-TON pick and roll/alley-oop potential.  W.I.N.

    WINNER: Pelicans got a good 2 guard in Buddy Hield.  Good player who fell a bit.  Great value, best guy on the board, and fills a need (outside shooting, spacing).

    LOSERS:

     Boston didn’t get much done.  Not a YUGE Jaylen Brown fan.  The Celtics have assets — but no certified BLUE CHIPS.  Maybe not a LOSER, but not a WINNER either.  #juryisstillout

    Bulls: like Denzel Valentine ok.  BUT, not sure what is going on in Chicago.  Lot’s of questions…

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    PUSH: Golden State Warriors.  Got Damian Jones as their potential Vandy replacement for Festus Ezeli.  Ended up with Patrick McCaw who is supposedly pretty good.  STILL a team coming off a 73 win series and was about 2 or 3 minutes away from winning a title.  Still in the Durant Sweepstakes.  Of the BIG FOUR teams (Cavs, Warriors, OKC, Spurs), the Warriors might have had the SECOND best night behind the Thunder.  Spurs got a guy who fell, but they are aging rapidly.  The Cavs didn’t even have a pick.

    WAIT UNITL NEXT YEAR (or until the start of the regular season): Basically every other NBA team.  The Big Four (Cavs, GSW, OKC, Spurs) still at THE TOP.  The young, bad teams at the bottom are still still young and bad but a bit less young and a bit less bad.  EVERY OTHER team (basically) is stuck in the middle — not a great place to be in the NBA historically.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1077319
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    Afactor4
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     My bias as a Clipper fan is negated by the fact that I went to Duke, but I think Brice Johnson at 25 is an absolute steal. A quality reserve big that can come in and play big minutes right away.

     Long, Athletic, Great finisher, great rebounder, developing midrange and he can even hit free throws!

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  • #1077211
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    Afactor4
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     My bias as a Clipper fan is negated by the fact that I went to Duke, but I think Brice Johnson at 25 is an absolute steal. A quality reserve big that can come in and play big minutes right away.

     Long, Athletic, Great finisher, great rebounder, developing midrange and he can even hit free throws!

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    • #1077514
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      kobyz
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       I’m with you, can’t get how underrated he is all over the place and how he went so low, it’s mystery to me, type of player and athlete who remind me Otis Thorpe…

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    • #1077406
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      kobyz
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       I’m with you, can’t get how underrated he is all over the place and how he went so low, it’s mystery to me, type of player and athlete who remind me Otis Thorpe…

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  • #1077512
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    kobyz
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     I thougt raptors had a great draft with two underrated bigs that improve their front court and could help right now as backups, poeltl is like very similar to jonas and that great value at 9, siakam is like a hidden gem, he remind me a clone of taj gibson! Also same story with clippers who also got two underrated bigs!

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  • #1077404
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    kobyz
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     I thougt raptors had a great draft with two underrated bigs that improve their front court and could help right now as backups, poeltl is like very similar to jonas and that great value at 9, siakam is like a hidden gem, he remind me a clone of taj gibson! Also same story with clippers who also got two underrated bigs!

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  • #1077518
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    llperez

    i liked denvers draft. I was real high on malik beasley and hernangomez and they got both of them. Plus jamal murray falling to 7 was nice, he can compliment mudiay well.

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  • #1077410
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    llperez

    i liked denvers draft. I was real high on malik beasley and hernangomez and they got both of them. Plus jamal murray falling to 7 was nice, he can compliment mudiay well.

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  • #1077786
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    Orlando loses – giving up dipo and a lotto pick for an aging Ibaka. Aaron Gordon was coming along nicely at PF last season, I don’t know why they got Ibaka.

    Denver and Phillie both did well – the two internationals were great for Philly. Look fwd to seeing saric and korkmaz play in the nba

    Kings – every year they hold cousins and don’t take the draft picks in a trade they are losing

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  • #1077679
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    Orlando loses – giving up dipo and a lotto pick for an aging Ibaka. Aaron Gordon was coming along nicely at PF last season, I don’t know why they got Ibaka.

    Denver and Phillie both did well – the two internationals were great for Philly. Look fwd to seeing saric and korkmaz play in the nba

    Kings – every year they hold cousins and don’t take the draft picks in a trade they are losing

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  • #1077828
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    kobyz
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     Warriors, Damian jones, i think in Vanderbilt he didn’t show much cause it was not well coached team with not a true pg and facilitator, he could flourish in the nba with great system like in gsw… The second round pick Petrick mccaw, really have speicial skills set as a two way player, will not be surprise if ends up best player in the draft at his position, we know how great warriors at drafting and finding second round steals…

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  • #1077721
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    kobyz
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     Warriors, Damian jones, i think in Vanderbilt he didn’t show much cause it was not well coached team with not a true pg and facilitator, he could flourish in the nba with great system like in gsw… The second round pick Petrick mccaw, really have speicial skills set as a two way player, will not be surprise if ends up best player in the draft at his position, we know how great warriors at drafting and finding second round steals…

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  • #1078034
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    nill650
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     I like what the big easy did…Hield a sure thing, and Diallo a huge steal at 33.

    Suns come in 2nd for me  getting both Bender and Chriss but I think they could have done better than Ulis at 34. esp with Brogdan,McCaw,Whitehead,Jackson,Felder and Barber (who didn’t get drafted) still available. Ulis is a great defender and ball handler thats well known, but I am not so sure he will ever play with bledsoe,knight and goodwin on the roster.Maybe they intended to move 1 but failed.

    3rd goes to Memphis getting Baldwin,Davis and Zagorac all clearly underated compared to thiuer draft location.

     

    worst draft ATL

    Prince was a huge overpick at 12 they did make up for it taking Bembry, but they left Ellenson on the board and Brice Johnson. Big mistake.

    2nd worst Bulls

    Valentine is way overated at the next level he will not be nearly as effective  due to his lack of speed, probably still be a nice rotational player and is a good fit there, but c’mon not at 14.                                  imo they should have taken Ellenson,Baldwin,or Dejounte Murray at 14 and Cornelie,Cousins or Barber late 2nd big 1st guard 2nd, or visa versa.

    3rd worst goes to Boston for filling their roster with more mediocre prospects, I did like the Brown at 3 pick though

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  • #1077927
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    nill650
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     I like what the big easy did…Hield a sure thing, and Diallo a huge steal at 33.

    Suns come in 2nd for me  getting both Bender and Chriss but I think they could have done better than Ulis at 34. esp with Brogdan,McCaw,Whitehead,Jackson,Felder and Barber (who didn’t get drafted) still available. Ulis is a great defender and ball handler thats well known, but I am not so sure he will ever play with bledsoe,knight and goodwin on the roster.Maybe they intended to move 1 but failed.

    3rd goes to Memphis getting Baldwin,Davis and Zagorac all clearly underated compared to thiuer draft location.

     

    worst draft ATL

    Prince was a huge overpick at 12 they did make up for it taking Bembry, but they left Ellenson on the board and Brice Johnson. Big mistake.

    2nd worst Bulls

    Valentine is way overated at the next level he will not be nearly as effective  due to his lack of speed, probably still be a nice rotational player and is a good fit there, but c’mon not at 14.                                  imo they should have taken Ellenson,Baldwin,or Dejounte Murray at 14 and Cornelie,Cousins or Barber late 2nd big 1st guard 2nd, or visa versa.

    3rd worst goes to Boston for filling their roster with more mediocre prospects, I did like the Brown at 3 pick though

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