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- Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 6:57am #64328
KingslayerParticipantIt’s not every day a player of this caliber becomes so available on the market. He’s one of the top 2-way players in the league, who’s locked up to a team-friendly contract for the next 3 years. The value of draft picks & players on their cheap rookie contracts are really high with the rising salary cap, and Chicago is ready to re-build. I think there are 4 teams who have a legit shot to pull this off before or during the draft. Remember that none of the following teams have to match salaries coming back in a trade, since adding Butler would not put them over the salary cap threshold. In order of least-to-most likely, the teams are:
Phoenix – They have the draft picks and young assets to make it happen. I doubt Chicago would want to take on Bledsoe’s or Knight’s contracts, however #4 & Booker is a great start. With the 13th pick, and pieces like Len, Warren & Bogdanovic, Phoenix has the ammunition to put together a suitable package. The reason I think it’s less likely than the teams below is that Phoenix may have less motivation to trade. They are re-building themselves, and they’re very high on Booker.
Denver – Denver is another team that may be reluctant to give up their best young assets, but they do have a lot to offer. Picks 7, 15 & 19 would all be on the table. Chicago could very well be interested in Mudiay with Rose possibly out the door as well. If the Bulls’ target (Kris Dunn perhaps), falls to 7, an offer of #7, Barton and Jokic or Nurkic (+ filler picks) would be incredibly tempting.
Minnesota – I don’t think they’ll consider trading Wiggins away, and definitely won’t trade KAT. However, #5 + Lavine is a strong starting point. I think they would also have to include Dieng and some filler picks/players, which may be a deal breaker.
Boston – Boston is a quality young team with plenty of draft & prospect assets at their disposal. They are also highly motivated to make a trade for a star player. I think they’re by far the most likely to trade for Jimmy, and they should do whatever they can to make the deal. They have a chance to bring in Durant if they can pull off a trade for Butler, and they are looking to take the next step to become a contender. KD could be very attracted to the personnel, coaching, front office, and future potential of the Celtics with Butler in the fold. #3 and Bradley would be the starting point, however Boston has plenty of other assets to throw in as well (#16, #23, 2 future Nets first rounders, Smart & other young players). Danny Ainge should look to do this rather than any Okafor-for-#3 pick trade, especially if he can avoid trading the future Nets’ picks they own.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 7:07am #1075579
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantI’d gladly trade 5, Lavine, and Dieng for Butler. Butler is already better than Lavine ever will be (his ceiling is more athletic Jamal Crawford), and Dieng is about to be hugely overpaid in RFA- not to mention he’s only 4 months younger than Butler. We can find a replacement wing in FA and a backup PF/C in free agency.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 7:07am #1075689
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantI’d gladly trade 5, Lavine, and Dieng for Butler. Butler is already better than Lavine ever will be (his ceiling is more athletic Jamal Crawford), and Dieng is about to be hugely overpaid in RFA- not to mention he’s only 4 months younger than Butler. We can find a replacement wing in FA and a backup PF/C in free agency.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 7:33am #1075714
Anton123ParticipantI don’t understand why Chicago wants to trade Butler. He is the one bright spot for them going forward. He wasn’t responsible for the bad chemistry, Derrick Rose was. Butler is so easy to incorporate in any system, because he can do everything you want both offensively and defensively.
Why is he being shopped so actively?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 7:33am #1075603
Anton123ParticipantI don’t understand why Chicago wants to trade Butler. He is the one bright spot for them going forward. He wasn’t responsible for the bad chemistry, Derrick Rose was. Butler is so easy to incorporate in any system, because he can do everything you want both offensively and defensively.
Why is he being shopped so actively?
0- Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 10:06am #1075787
OhCanada-ParticipantI’ve been wondering the same thing maybe the Chicago medical staff knows something we don’t.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 10:06am #1075677
OhCanada-ParticipantI’ve been wondering the same thing maybe the Chicago medical staff knows something we don’t.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 12:37pm #1075727
FritzParticipantI agree Bulls shouldnt trade Butler, but disagree with this
First off, if there is anyone responsible for Chicago’s chemistry issues, the front office should be the first to blame. They are the ones who brought in Hoi-ball when they already had a top 5 coach in the league, and time after time reports are the players do not trust the FO.
"He wasn’t responsible for the bad chemistry, Derrick Rose was."
That is a pretty strong statement with absolutely no evidence to support it. Any credible source? No one who follows the Bulls closely agree with this. And when you say chemistry, I hope you mean on the court because there has been no allegations this year of Rose being a bad locker room guy, while there have been multiple for Butler.
Facts are Rose fits very well with Hoi-ball. Jimmy’s Iso offense does not, and many reports surfaced this year of Butler’s lack of effort to fit into the system. There were also many reports that Jimmy was the one causing tension in the locker room. He has grown out of his humble nature and has developed a cocky superstar persona which rubbed many of his teamates the wrong way last year.
I personally dont like Jimmy’s Iso ball. I dont think that wins championships. I would prefer the Bulls keep Butler, but have him take a lesser/different role on offense so he can focus more on the defensive end where he can be a top 3 wing defender in the league if he does not have to carry the offense. That Jimmy fits into any system. The 25 PPG Isoball Jimmy does not.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 12:37pm #1075837
FritzParticipantI agree Bulls shouldnt trade Butler, but disagree with this
First off, if there is anyone responsible for Chicago’s chemistry issues, the front office should be the first to blame. They are the ones who brought in Hoi-ball when they already had a top 5 coach in the league, and time after time reports are the players do not trust the FO.
"He wasn’t responsible for the bad chemistry, Derrick Rose was."
That is a pretty strong statement with absolutely no evidence to support it. Any credible source? No one who follows the Bulls closely agree with this. And when you say chemistry, I hope you mean on the court because there has been no allegations this year of Rose being a bad locker room guy, while there have been multiple for Butler.
Facts are Rose fits very well with Hoi-ball. Jimmy’s Iso offense does not, and many reports surfaced this year of Butler’s lack of effort to fit into the system. There were also many reports that Jimmy was the one causing tension in the locker room. He has grown out of his humble nature and has developed a cocky superstar persona which rubbed many of his teamates the wrong way last year.
I personally dont like Jimmy’s Iso ball. I dont think that wins championships. I would prefer the Bulls keep Butler, but have him take a lesser/different role on offense so he can focus more on the defensive end where he can be a top 3 wing defender in the league if he does not have to carry the offense. That Jimmy fits into any system. The 25 PPG Isoball Jimmy does not.
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- Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 7:49am #1075722
binetParticipantThibodeau knows his former player and a LaVine, #5, future picks, Dieng and maybe a contract absorption or two could work if the Bulls are on the rebuilding paths. But that path is tied to their ability to also trade Derrick Rose, and not many teams are wanting him right now.
On the other hand it’s also very probable deals for Butler won’t get any better with time and it’s possible that it’s the right moment to pull the trigger.
The Celtics have loads of draft picks but nothing else, not sure that’s what you want.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 7:49am #1075611
binetParticipantThibodeau knows his former player and a LaVine, #5, future picks, Dieng and maybe a contract absorption or two could work if the Bulls are on the rebuilding paths. But that path is tied to their ability to also trade Derrick Rose, and not many teams are wanting him right now.
On the other hand it’s also very probable deals for Butler won’t get any better with time and it’s possible that it’s the right moment to pull the trigger.
The Celtics have loads of draft picks but nothing else, not sure that’s what you want.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 9:27am #1075770
BiggysmallsParticipantThe draft needs to get here so the Butler to MN rumors can die. It’s emerged as the only thing talk radio guys here talk about and the liklihood of it happening are about 5%.
Chicago isn’t dealing with Thibs. If they are, Thibs has to way overpay for Butler, and even then, there are other teams that can simply trump what the Wolves offer up.
Butler is really good. But he played four years in college and was an NBA role-player for two years before really busting out. He’s spent the last three years playing 36-40 minutes a night and hasn’t played more than 67 games in any of them. I don’t want the Wolves to trade for Butler. I want Thibs to find the next Jimmy Butler. He’s getting paid huge money to coach this team, find that next guy or develop Wiggins into a better version of that guy. Don’t trade all this young talent that everyone is gushing over for a guy who will gone in 3 years.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 9:27am #1075659
BiggysmallsParticipantThe draft needs to get here so the Butler to MN rumors can die. It’s emerged as the only thing talk radio guys here talk about and the liklihood of it happening are about 5%.
Chicago isn’t dealing with Thibs. If they are, Thibs has to way overpay for Butler, and even then, there are other teams that can simply trump what the Wolves offer up.
Butler is really good. But he played four years in college and was an NBA role-player for two years before really busting out. He’s spent the last three years playing 36-40 minutes a night and hasn’t played more than 67 games in any of them. I don’t want the Wolves to trade for Butler. I want Thibs to find the next Jimmy Butler. He’s getting paid huge money to coach this team, find that next guy or develop Wiggins into a better version of that guy. Don’t trade all this young talent that everyone is gushing over for a guy who will gone in 3 years.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 10:43am #1075804
publius2481ParticipantPhoenix- No way they should trade Booker. However, if the Bulls mostly want draft picks, I think a deal could be worked out. Obviously 4 and 13 would be part of this deal, but the Suns have two spare first rounders from the Heat in the future, so they could spare a future first rounder.
Denver- They are interesting because they can either offer mostly picks or a combination of picks and young players. Besides the picks this year, they own Memphis’s 2017 pick, which I think is a good asset. I would avoid trading Mudiay or Harris if I were them, but they have several good young bigs they could offer in a trade.
Minnesota- If I am the Bulls, this is who I try and do a deal with. 5 and Lavine, plus another assest (Dieng?) would be a good haul. Rubio would really fit what they want to do on offense (much more than he fits in Minnesota), so he might be a target too. I wouldn’t give up Rubio and Lavine if I were Minnesota (unless you keep 5, which I doubt Chicago wants to do), but they have options.
Celtics- Another team that can offer either picks or players. I think they would be the second team I would want to deal with. If the Bulls mostly want picks 3, plus one of the future Nets picks is a good start. 3 and Bradley or Crowder is a good start if they want a player back.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/21/2016 - 10:43am #1075694
publius2481ParticipantPhoenix- No way they should trade Booker. However, if the Bulls mostly want draft picks, I think a deal could be worked out. Obviously 4 and 13 would be part of this deal, but the Suns have two spare first rounders from the Heat in the future, so they could spare a future first rounder.
Denver- They are interesting because they can either offer mostly picks or a combination of picks and young players. Besides the picks this year, they own Memphis’s 2017 pick, which I think is a good asset. I would avoid trading Mudiay or Harris if I were them, but they have several good young bigs they could offer in a trade.
Minnesota- If I am the Bulls, this is who I try and do a deal with. 5 and Lavine, plus another assest (Dieng?) would be a good haul. Rubio would really fit what they want to do on offense (much more than he fits in Minnesota), so he might be a target too. I wouldn’t give up Rubio and Lavine if I were Minnesota (unless you keep 5, which I doubt Chicago wants to do), but they have options.
Celtics- Another team that can offer either picks or players. I think they would be the second team I would want to deal with. If the Bulls mostly want picks 3, plus one of the future Nets picks is a good start. 3 and Bradley or Crowder is a good start if they want a player back.
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