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  • #63617
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    I am a big fan of Fournier and believe the Magic wouldn’t match a huge offer from Philadelphia…

    We need some floor spacers around Okafor, Noel and Embiid, Evan looks like a great fit

    On to Jeff Teague playing PG, I think the Hawks face an off season of tough decisions, if they get an offer from Philadelphia (A couple future 1st round picks in 2017-2018)Would they bite? They already have Schroeder on board at PG…

    How do you feel about Philadelphia adding Teague and Fournier this summer?

    Factor in the Addition of a SF in the Top 2( Simmons or Ingram) Do Teague and Fournier fit the scheme?

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  • #1059960
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    negguary
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     would not want Evan because we would have to overpay for him. I don’t mind trading for Teague but would hate to have to give up too much for him because you virtually get that type of production from him in ish smith. 

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    • #1060163
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      Overpaying is always a concern to any team but who do you want to give the Sixers the 60 million cap space you have? Big name free agents won’t come to Philly and someone has to be signed anyway not to mention the incredible need of this team for wing/backcourt players. 

      The times where you can only play rookies/sophs is over in Philly I believe and Evan is still pretty young and had a very fine season for the Magic. 

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    • #1060042
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      Overpaying is always a concern to any team but who do you want to give the Sixers the 60 million cap space you have? Big name free agents won’t come to Philly and someone has to be signed anyway not to mention the incredible need of this team for wing/backcourt players. 

      The times where you can only play rookies/sophs is over in Philly I believe and Evan is still pretty young and had a very fine season for the Magic. 

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      • #1060172
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        So here’s my question? what do you think his price tag is in regards to overpaying? Also be mindful that eventually you will have to pay these rookies if they develop into their potential and being as though we have a lot of promising rookies that could get costly. In addition to this, as the cap goes up so does the price tag of the player which balance the money out regardless. I have no problem paying studs just not midlevel talent. I would rather overpay Harrison Barnes someone who has potentially a higher ceiling, and comes from a winning culture, not someone with talent and is bringing that same losing culture to the team and has a lower ceiling than the other player. Moreover bring Evan over is not going to get you any more real wins, look at Orlando and they actually have more talent right now. Overpaying players like Evan is the mistakes that guys like Bryan make and keeps your team in the middle of the pack. Im fine with singing him after we are competitive as a final piece, but to pay him like the star of the team when eventually the rookies will surpass him sets up a problem. The problem being that when its time for them to get paid they will expect double what he got because they outplayed him for years but were underpaid through that entire phase.

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      • #1060050
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        negguary
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        So here’s my question? what do you think his price tag is in regards to overpaying? Also be mindful that eventually you will have to pay these rookies if they develop into their potential and being as though we have a lot of promising rookies that could get costly. In addition to this, as the cap goes up so does the price tag of the player which balance the money out regardless. I have no problem paying studs just not midlevel talent. I would rather overpay Harrison Barnes someone who has potentially a higher ceiling, and comes from a winning culture, not someone with talent and is bringing that same losing culture to the team and has a lower ceiling than the other player. Moreover bring Evan over is not going to get you any more real wins, look at Orlando and they actually have more talent right now. Overpaying players like Evan is the mistakes that guys like Bryan make and keeps your team in the middle of the pack. Im fine with singing him after we are competitive as a final piece, but to pay him like the star of the team when eventually the rookies will surpass him sets up a problem. The problem being that when its time for them to get paid they will expect double what he got because they outplayed him for years but were underpaid through that entire phase.

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  • #1060081
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    negguary
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     would not want Evan because we would have to overpay for him. I don’t mind trading for Teague but would hate to have to give up too much for him because you virtually get that type of production from him in ish smith. 

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  • #1059962
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     They are clearly upgrades over whatever players they have in Philly, plus I don’t think "overpaying" is a problem for a couple reasons. The cap continues to rise and you have to spend money and there’s only so many good-decent players in free agency, Fournier is still quite young and hasn’t reached his peak and you’ll likely be paying for his best years. Also, it’s not like Philly has a lot of money tied up. Philly has a surplus of draft picks to use, no need to bring in 5 rookies, using some of those picks to get an established vet is wise use.

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  • #1060083
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     They are clearly upgrades over whatever players they have in Philly, plus I don’t think "overpaying" is a problem for a couple reasons. The cap continues to rise and you have to spend money and there’s only so many good-decent players in free agency, Fournier is still quite young and hasn’t reached his peak and you’ll likely be paying for his best years. Also, it’s not like Philly has a lot of money tied up. Philly has a surplus of draft picks to use, no need to bring in 5 rookies, using some of those picks to get an established vet is wise use.

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  • #1059964
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    What happens if the 76ers get the 2nd pick in the lottery, and whoever gets the first pick takes Brandon Ingram. Assuming the Lakers keep their own pick too.

    That leaves them in a bit of a tough spot regarding floor spacing and they might be forced to pull the trigger on a trade. 

     

     

     

     

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    • #1059972
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      So in the chance the 76ers get the 2nd pick, Brandon Ingram is their SF…

      The closer we get to the lottery, the more I feel the 76ers will get the 2nd pick, we can flip a coin to see if the Lakers keep their pick…

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      • #1060147
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         I dunno about that…Simmons stock has been falling because of his bad attitude and he might interview terribly. Not to mention his jump shot. Bookmakers have Ingram closing in on the #1 pick.

        A lot of teams could really use the spacing Ingram brings from the perimeter. Looked more like Kevin Durant with each game. 

        76ers need to plan for this very realistic scenario. After all, failing to plan is planning to fail. 

         

         

         

         

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      • #1060026
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         I dunno about that…Simmons stock has been falling because of his bad attitude and he might interview terribly. Not to mention his jump shot. Bookmakers have Ingram closing in on the #1 pick.

        A lot of teams could really use the spacing Ingram brings from the perimeter. Looked more like Kevin Durant with each game. 

        76ers need to plan for this very realistic scenario. After all, failing to plan is planning to fail. 

         

         

         

         

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    • #1060093
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      So in the chance the 76ers get the 2nd pick, Brandon Ingram is their SF…

      The closer we get to the lottery, the more I feel the 76ers will get the 2nd pick, we can flip a coin to see if the Lakers keep their pick…

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    • #1060096
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      Simmons is the better prospect than Ingram, and therefore he should be the preferred pick of every team in the league, including the Sixers.

      Also, being in the position of needing to make a trade isn’t tough at all. Trades are made all the time.

      If we got the second pick I would be praying for someone to take Ingram first, but I think that that is sort of like last year when the Lakers were praying that the Twolves would take Okafor. It didn’t happen because Towns was easily the best prospect.

      This year Simmons is the best prospect.

      That being said, I would be thrilled with Ingram too, just not if we had the option of taking Simmons.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

        

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    • #1060218
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      Simmons is the better prospect than Ingram, and therefore he should be the preferred pick of every team in the league, including the Sixers.

      Also, being in the position of needing to make a trade isn’t tough at all. Trades are made all the time.

      If we got the second pick I would be praying for someone to take Ingram first, but I think that that is sort of like last year when the Lakers were praying that the Twolves would take Okafor. It didn’t happen because Towns was easily the best prospect.

      This year Simmons is the best prospect.

      That being said, I would be thrilled with Ingram too, just not if we had the option of taking Simmons.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

        

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  • #1060085
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    What happens if the 76ers get the 2nd pick in the lottery, and whoever gets the first pick takes Brandon Ingram. Assuming the Lakers keep their own pick too.

    That leaves them in a bit of a tough spot regarding floor spacing and they might be forced to pull the trigger on a trade. 

     

     

     

     

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  • #1059966
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    Biggysmalls
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     If they can swing a deal for Teague without giving up their top pick, that’d be a really nice move. Sign Fournier and you’ve suddenly got a professional looking roster. Lottery luck would sure be nice. Get Ingram and that team would be fun. 

    Teague-Fournier-Ingram-Noel-Okafor

    Smith-Stauskas-Covington-Saric-Embiid

    I’ll take that rotation over what they’ve been rolling out lately

     

     

     

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  • #1060087
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     If they can swing a deal for Teague without giving up their top pick, that’d be a really nice move. Sign Fournier and you’ve suddenly got a professional looking roster. Lottery luck would sure be nice. Get Ingram and that team would be fun. 

    Teague-Fournier-Ingram-Noel-Okafor

    Smith-Stauskas-Covington-Saric-Embiid

    I’ll take that rotation over what they’ve been rolling out lately

     

     

     

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  • #1060097
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    properbreaks
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    This is a start. Now that they have Heinke out of the way and all of his dreams for 30 years from now, they have to start trying to assemble an actual NBA roster. So far, they don’t pay anyone, so they have all types of money to spend. For 3 years they’ve been TOTALLY out of the free agency pool. And the funny thing is they chose to be that way.

    When you say the 76ers people either shake their heads or start busting out laughing. This gives them some legitimacy. Fourier would finally give them someone who is a proven shooter in the league because Staukus hasn’t done anything yet and Teague is a vet who’s still fairly young, can create his own shot and isn’t wild.

    Like you say, they trade pics, but not this years pic for Teague and sign Fourier thru free agency and draft a small forward, they’d actually have an average or above average player at every position believe it or not. And it’s really doable too.

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  • #1059976
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    properbreaks
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    This is a start. Now that they have Heinke out of the way and all of his dreams for 30 years from now, they have to start trying to assemble an actual NBA roster. So far, they don’t pay anyone, so they have all types of money to spend. For 3 years they’ve been TOTALLY out of the free agency pool. And the funny thing is they chose to be that way.

    When you say the 76ers people either shake their heads or start busting out laughing. This gives them some legitimacy. Fourier would finally give them someone who is a proven shooter in the league because Staukus hasn’t done anything yet and Teague is a vet who’s still fairly young, can create his own shot and isn’t wild.

    Like you say, they trade pics, but not this years pic for Teague and sign Fourier thru free agency and draft a small forward, they’d actually have an average or above average player at every position believe it or not. And it’s really doable too.

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  • #1060118
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     Whats the deal with attending the draft..is it still possible to buy a ticket?

    I’ve alway wanted to go so I can boo the commissioner and whoever the Knicks select. Might need to wait a year for that though.

    Anyone else in?

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  • #1059996
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     Whats the deal with attending the draft..is it still possible to buy a ticket?

    I’ve alway wanted to go so I can boo the commissioner and whoever the Knicks select. Might need to wait a year for that though.

    Anyone else in?

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    • #1060124
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       What about air fare? That’ll probably cost 4x your amount a ticket would cost.

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      • #1060126
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         Yeah, either tickets arent on sale yet or sold out because I couldnt find any online.

        The 28hr flight is a killer but considering the annual highlights of my sleepy town are the autumn flower show and the crab festival, theres plenty of room in my entertainment budget to get drunk with Knicks fans at the draft and booo young kids on what should be the proudest moment of their life.

         

         

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      • #1060248
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         Yeah, either tickets arent on sale yet or sold out because I couldnt find any online.

        The 28hr flight is a killer but considering the annual highlights of my sleepy town are the autumn flower show and the crab festival, theres plenty of room in my entertainment budget to get drunk with Knicks fans at the draft and booo young kids on what should be the proudest moment of their life.

         

         

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    • #1060245
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       What about air fare? That’ll probably cost 4x your amount a ticket would cost.

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  • #1060135
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    publius2481
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     Really like the idea of trading for Teague. A veteran point guard would help the development of their young players and Teague is young enough (he turns 28 in June) that he can still be a productive player when the team is ready to contend (provided they resign him). Now the question is what do you give up for him. I would offer the 24th and 26th pick in this years draft and be willng to throw in a couple of future second round picks if that was needed to seal the deal. If they get the Lakers pick, I think you want to trade those picks anyway (do you really want four rookies on the roster) and if I am Philly I want to preserve future first round picks for now. Given Teague has only one year on his contract, I think it is a fair offer, although I am not sure ATL will bite

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  • #1060014
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    publius2481
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     Really like the idea of trading for Teague. A veteran point guard would help the development of their young players and Teague is young enough (he turns 28 in June) that he can still be a productive player when the team is ready to contend (provided they resign him). Now the question is what do you give up for him. I would offer the 24th and 26th pick in this years draft and be willng to throw in a couple of future second round picks if that was needed to seal the deal. If they get the Lakers pick, I think you want to trade those picks anyway (do you really want four rookies on the roster) and if I am Philly I want to preserve future first round picks for now. Given Teague has only one year on his contract, I think it is a fair offer, although I am not sure ATL will bite

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  • #1060151
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     is b/c they either failed in the Draft or don’t have the opportunity to pick high enough to acquire & develop top talent……..

    You guys have 4 Really good players w/ Size in Saric, Noel, Okafor & Embiid……. & really good Bigs are Very hard to find…….

    You also have something like 10 First round picks over the next 4 Drafts – TEN…….. Next year’s 2017 Draft is Filled w/ highly regrded Talent at the Small Forward & Both Guard positions……….

    Why in the World would you Trade for Average older players that you would have to Wildly over pay…….. When you have a chance to Draft some Really good young talent & Develop a TEAM on Rookie pay scales………

    What Massive Free Agent have Golden State or OKC signed??? San Antonio has won 50+ games Every year since 1997 & they have Not traded or signed Free Agents (before Aldridge)……. 

    Develop your young team & then in 3 years if you have something good going on Then you can sign a piece who will Add to what you already Grew – like GSW did w/ a players like Igudola…….

    Remember just 4 years ago – FOUR YEARS – as you guys were wrapping up the Bynum Trade……. Golden State was wrapping up a 23 win season – Twenty Three wins! – their 4th losing season in a row……

    But w/ Only about 6 picks in 4 years they added Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes………. They missed on Ekpe Udoh (#6 – 2010); Anthony Randolph (#14 – 2008)……… Just stay patient & Build……..

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1060030
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     is b/c they either failed in the Draft or don’t have the opportunity to pick high enough to acquire & develop top talent……..

    You guys have 4 Really good players w/ Size in Saric, Noel, Okafor & Embiid……. & really good Bigs are Very hard to find…….

    You also have something like 10 First round picks over the next 4 Drafts – TEN…….. Next year’s 2017 Draft is Filled w/ highly regrded Talent at the Small Forward & Both Guard positions……….

    Why in the World would you Trade for Average older players that you would have to Wildly over pay…….. When you have a chance to Draft some Really good young talent & Develop a TEAM on Rookie pay scales………

    What Massive Free Agent have Golden State or OKC signed??? San Antonio has won 50+ games Every year since 1997 & they have Not traded or signed Free Agents (before Aldridge)……. 

    Develop your young team & then in 3 years if you have something good going on Then you can sign a piece who will Add to what you already Grew – like GSW did w/ a players like Igudola…….

    Remember just 4 years ago – FOUR YEARS – as you guys were wrapping up the Bynum Trade……. Golden State was wrapping up a 23 win season – Twenty Three wins! – their 4th losing season in a row……

    But w/ Only about 6 picks in 4 years they added Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes………. They missed on Ekpe Udoh (#6 – 2010); Anthony Randolph (#14 – 2008)……… Just stay patient & Build……..

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1060176
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      negguary
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      MY SENTIMENTS exactly!! People live in a microwave society, therefore; they want to see the fruits of their labor without watering the crops and whacking the weeds. It’s called development!!! You have the opportunity to one evaluate and assess what you have, and two own the rights to the players you see that fit after you have assessed (refer back to one), and three get a chance to have a really young talented team that can learn, grow an build chemistry together to SERIOUSLY compete for years, oh yeah again you own their rights and can afford to keep the most talented players together that you think fit, WAIT and then you can sign free agents that fit your team to push them over the hump. SIXERS FAN TALKING!!!

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    • #1060054
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      negguary
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      MY SENTIMENTS exactly!! People live in a microwave society, therefore; they want to see the fruits of their labor without watering the crops and whacking the weeds. It’s called development!!! You have the opportunity to one evaluate and assess what you have, and two own the rights to the players you see that fit after you have assessed (refer back to one), and three get a chance to have a really young talented team that can learn, grow an build chemistry together to SERIOUSLY compete for years, oh yeah again you own their rights and can afford to keep the most talented players together that you think fit, WAIT and then you can sign free agents that fit your team to push them over the hump. SIXERS FAN TALKING!!!

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    • #1060186
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      properbreaks
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      How many young players can you want on one team? lol Their whole team is young…… They have a million draft picks and if they trade a few picks they still will have loads of picks. I’m not saying trade all of their picks, just some of them to start to finally look like a real nba team. They’ll still have the young players that they have now and more picks.

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    • #1060064
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      properbreaks
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      How many young players can you want on one team? lol Their whole team is young…… They have a million draft picks and if they trade a few picks they still will have loads of picks. I’m not saying trade all of their picks, just some of them to start to finally look like a real nba team. They’ll still have the young players that they have now and more picks.

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      • #1060378
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        negguary
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        i never said not to make trades if it makes sense especially because their is an overlap in the front court, my gripe is with overpaying free agents  

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      • #1060255
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        i never said not to make trades if it makes sense especially because their is an overlap in the front court, my gripe is with overpaying free agents  

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  • #1060165
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    The 76ers lost a lot of good pieces in the D12/Bynum/Iggy trade. If the Lakers pick comes over this year I have long thought they go the Hawks for one of their PGs perhaps Schroder more than Teague if Hawks would part with him.

    The Hawks want to compete now and can renew Schroder this summer so they may have to decide what to do with him. Do they play a two PG combo and maybe move Korver to the bench but whatever way Schroder needs more minutes. If they could get 5th pick for him then it’s a nice return and maybe push for an additional future pick too.

    Fournier would be a decent FA target for the 76ers too.

    A lot depends on where they end up in the draft and if Lakers pick comes over, if they get 1 or 2 then they obviously take Simmons or Ingram. I don’t see Bender being of interest to them given their FC depth. But then Dunn, Murray, Hield are all legit targets and they can fill one back court need at least.

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  • #1060044
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    The 76ers lost a lot of good pieces in the D12/Bynum/Iggy trade. If the Lakers pick comes over this year I have long thought they go the Hawks for one of their PGs perhaps Schroder more than Teague if Hawks would part with him.

    The Hawks want to compete now and can renew Schroder this summer so they may have to decide what to do with him. Do they play a two PG combo and maybe move Korver to the bench but whatever way Schroder needs more minutes. If they could get 5th pick for him then it’s a nice return and maybe push for an additional future pick too.

    Fournier would be a decent FA target for the 76ers too.

    A lot depends on where they end up in the draft and if Lakers pick comes over, if they get 1 or 2 then they obviously take Simmons or Ingram. I don’t see Bender being of interest to them given their FC depth. But then Dunn, Murray, Hield are all legit targets and they can fill one back court need at least.

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  • #1060190
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    We have to keep the rights to our own Draft Picks through 2019 but everyone of those other picks should be on the table IMO…

    1st, Let’s see if that Lakers pick lands outside the Top 3 this year, if it does we can either draft a G like Murray, Dunn or Murray lol…Or we can trade the pick for a PG like Teague, Schroeder, Bledsoe, Knight or Lowry…

    2nd, if we’re lucky enough to land a YOUNG AND TALENTED player like Fournier(my 1st choice) or Derezon(reluctant 2nd choice via Colangelo ties) to play SG for a young and developing team like the 76ers, be happy as a fan…We need a damm SG!!! FOURNIER fits the bill…

    Minus Devin Booker, there isn’t another Young SG out there worth making a trade for…

    So why wait for next year’s draft class? Just sign Fournier now, and if we land a Star Level SG with a high pick in the future so be it, Evan can easily be a Super 6th Man in that scenario…

    The Cap is increasing and Noel is the only Young Chip who’ll need to be resigned soon, he and Fournier still wouldn’t eat into the salary cap that much, in fact we’d be able to Sign a MAX player before having to extend Okafor, Embiid and Saric…Our Top 3 Pick this year will not have to resigned for 4 years (imagine Ingram or Simmons panning out as Stars on a rookie scale in that time)

    You have to use the cap or forfeit it to the League anyway…Signing a G like Fournier helps out down the road more so than next year…The trade for Teague would add more wins, likely putting us in that 5-10 Draft Range next season…

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  • #1060068
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    We have to keep the rights to our own Draft Picks through 2019 but everyone of those other picks should be on the table IMO…

    1st, Let’s see if that Lakers pick lands outside the Top 3 this year, if it does we can either draft a G like Murray, Dunn or Murray lol…Or we can trade the pick for a PG like Teague, Schroeder, Bledsoe, Knight or Lowry…

    2nd, if we’re lucky enough to land a YOUNG AND TALENTED player like Fournier(my 1st choice) or Derezon(reluctant 2nd choice via Colangelo ties) to play SG for a young and developing team like the 76ers, be happy as a fan…We need a damm SG!!! FOURNIER fits the bill…

    Minus Devin Booker, there isn’t another Young SG out there worth making a trade for…

    So why wait for next year’s draft class? Just sign Fournier now, and if we land a Star Level SG with a high pick in the future so be it, Evan can easily be a Super 6th Man in that scenario…

    The Cap is increasing and Noel is the only Young Chip who’ll need to be resigned soon, he and Fournier still wouldn’t eat into the salary cap that much, in fact we’d be able to Sign a MAX player before having to extend Okafor, Embiid and Saric…Our Top 3 Pick this year will not have to resigned for 4 years (imagine Ingram or Simmons panning out as Stars on a rookie scale in that time)

    You have to use the cap or forfeit it to the League anyway…Signing a G like Fournier helps out down the road more so than next year…The trade for Teague would add more wins, likely putting us in that 5-10 Draft Range next season…

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    • #1060380
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       you think his price tag is though? 

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      negguary
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       you think his price tag is though? 

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  • #1060420
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    mamadou
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    If horford is gone, what about teague for noel ?

    Holiday for noel, noel for teague.

    Being historically bad, you ain’t having that much assets "actual nba players" to grab more established players.

    teague-fournier-ingram-grant-okafor could be a start, waiting on the perfect PF and depth later.

     

     

     

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    mamadou
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    If horford is gone, what about teague for noel ?

    Holiday for noel, noel for teague.

    Being historically bad, you ain’t having that much assets "actual nba players" to grab more established players.

    teague-fournier-ingram-grant-okafor could be a start, waiting on the perfect PF and depth later.

     

     

     

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