Whats more likely, K Dunn learns how to shoot or J Murray learns how to run a team?

 I don’t think Murray has to run a team. Not that kind of transcendent talent. 

 I don’t think Murray has to run a team. Not that kind of transcendent talent. 

 Its easier to add range on a jumpshot than it is to teach a player to see the entire floor, create for themselves and others and to control the pace of a game…

Point Guard is like the QB position in the NFL, guys can’t be taught how to throw a perfect sideline pass after spending your entire life playing Cornerback…

A scoring G like Murray won’t become a 8 assist per game PG, but Dunn could add a consistent Outside shot and become a complete player…

The only thing holding some guys back is a Jumper, I never hear someone say "the only thing holding him back is the ability to play PG"…

You are simply born a PG or considered a Tweener…

If Jamal Murray was 6’6 we wouldn’t even be having this discussion, he’d be put at SG and used as a secondary ball handler with a Pass First PG, ugh I hate that term,every PG should be pass first…

 Its easier to add range on a jumpshot than it is to teach a player to see the entire floor, create for themselves and others and to control the pace of a game…

Point Guard is like the QB position in the NFL, guys can’t be taught how to throw a perfect sideline pass after spending your entire life playing Cornerback…

A scoring G like Murray won’t become a 8 assist per game PG, but Dunn could add a consistent Outside shot and become a complete player…

The only thing holding some guys back is a Jumper, I never hear someone say "the only thing holding him back is the ability to play PG"…

You are simply born a PG or considered a Tweener…

If Jamal Murray was 6’6 we wouldn’t even be having this discussion, he’d be put at SG and used as a secondary ball handler with a Pass First PG, ugh I hate that term,every PG should be pass first…

C. Rudeboy will learn the usefulness of condoms before either A or B

C. Rudeboy will learn the usefulness of condoms before either A or B

 I don’t see Murray ultimately as a pg. I see him as a combo guard that can handle the ball. I think eventually his decision making will improve and he will be able to play point in some situations but I think his best position will likely be at the 2 spot. I don’t think you can draft him with the expectation he will be a full-time pg because I don’t believe that’s what his game is best suited for. 

Unlike Murray, Dunn’s NBA future is at the point I believe. Right now he is a below average shooter, especially by NBA standards but has great size, elite quickness, and good athleticism. I don’t think he will ever be a great shooter but if he could just become an average one it will greatly increase his chance for success at the next level. He also needs to learn to play more within himself at times and not force the issue.

Personally, I like Murray slightly more than Dunn. If you look at the overall direction that the league is trending, players that can both shoot the ball at an elite level and create off the dribble are more valuable than ever, and I think in the right situation Murray has the potential to blossom into a star. However, if you are a team looking strictly for a pg, I think you would have to go with Dunn.

 I don’t see Murray ultimately as a pg. I see him as a combo guard that can handle the ball. I think eventually his decision making will improve and he will be able to play point in some situations but I think his best position will likely be at the 2 spot. I don’t think you can draft him with the expectation he will be a full-time pg because I don’t believe that’s what his game is best suited for. 

Unlike Murray, Dunn’s NBA future is at the point I believe. Right now he is a below average shooter, especially by NBA standards but has great size, elite quickness, and good athleticism. I don’t think he will ever be a great shooter but if he could just become an average one it will greatly increase his chance for success at the next level. He also needs to learn to play more within himself at times and not force the issue.

Personally, I like Murray slightly more than Dunn. If you look at the overall direction that the league is trending, players that can both shoot the ball at an elite level and create off the dribble are more valuable than ever, and I think in the right situation Murray has the potential to blossom into a star. However, if you are a team looking strictly for a pg, I think you would have to go with Dunn.

 The concept of a ‘Pure’ PG is as outdated as Iman Shumperts high-Top fade.

Check the PG on every champiomship team for the last 10 years and tell me how many had ‘Pure’ PGs.

People are misled by the gloriously sounding Pre-fix (pure) that describes the positions playing style. If it was called something else…like ‘Old Fashioned’ PG, no-one would think it was that great.

All that matters is that the PG is good and helps the team win. The only thing thats pure is the concept…(pure bull$hit).

 The concept of a ‘Pure’ PG is as outdated as Iman Shumperts high-Top fade.

Check the PG on every champiomship team for the last 10 years and tell me how many had ‘Pure’ PGs.

People are misled by the gloriously sounding Pre-fix (pure) that describes the positions playing style. If it was called something else…like ‘Old Fashioned’ PG, no-one would think it was that great.

All that matters is that the PG is good and helps the team win. The only thing thats pure is the concept…(pure bull$hit).

 Jamal Murray was running Team Canada as a 17 y/o…….. To give a frame of reference I luv Buddy Hield…… but he is also 23….. when Hield was Murray’s age & a Freshman, Hield averaged 7 ppg & shot 24% FG% …….. 

Jamal Murray Def needs work if he plans to play the PG spot….. but he’s a Natural scorer & Leader….. He can fill it up from outside…. He can get to the Rim w/ power….. He is Very unselfish……. He can play With the Ball or off Ball Screens w/o the Ball…… And Murray can really find the open man…..

In other words, as much as I like Dunn…… he could be a Rajon Rondo type where in this new Zone Oriented Defense NBA where Freak Athleticism is Not as Prized b/c they don’t play Iso ball any more….. Dunn may have limitations…..

Conversely, you’ve got to project where Murray will be in 5 years when he’ll be in his Prime competing against His peers…… I luv Murray’s Upside……

 Jamal Murray was running Team Canada as a 17 y/o…….. To give a frame of reference I luv Buddy Hield…… but he is also 23….. when Hield was Murray’s age & a Freshman, Hield averaged 7 ppg & shot 24% FG% …….. 

Jamal Murray Def needs work if he plans to play the PG spot….. but he’s a Natural scorer & Leader….. He can fill it up from outside…. He can get to the Rim w/ power….. He is Very unselfish……. He can play With the Ball or off Ball Screens w/o the Ball…… And Murray can really find the open man…..

In other words, as much as I like Dunn…… he could be a Rajon Rondo type where in this new Zone Oriented Defense NBA where Freak Athleticism is Not as Prized b/c they don’t play Iso ball any more….. Dunn may have limitations…..

Conversely, you’ve got to project where Murray will be in 5 years when he’ll be in his Prime competing against His peers…… I luv Murray’s Upside……

I see some TP in Murray, the body language/footwork, score first ability, old men game at a very young age.

But, Murray is taller, bigger, more athletic, he can shoot the threes and he can play the 2…

I see some TP in Murray, the body language/footwork, score first ability, old men game at a very young age.

But, Murray is taller, bigger, more athletic, he can shoot the threes and he can play the 2…

 I’ll answer the question completely different and say that I’d have more faith in Murray running an offense well than Dunn.  "Well," being the key word.  Dunn is too sloppy, erratic and ball-dominant for my taste. Murray plays more under control and doesn’t have that extra BS in his game that Dunn has.  No, Murray doesn’t have a tremendous amount of wiggle in his game, but he is more economical with his touches and keeps it simple.  The fact that he can function without the ball too makes me think that an offense would function better with him on the floor, not just him running it, but him being part of it, sorta like how Billups was.  Dunn probably has better breakdown ability, but I think Murray will eventually become the better PnR handler because the opposition can’t go under and they have to respect the mid pull up as well.

 I’ll answer the question completely different and say that I’d have more faith in Murray running an offense well than Dunn.  "Well," being the key word.  Dunn is too sloppy, erratic and ball-dominant for my taste. Murray plays more under control and doesn’t have that extra BS in his game that Dunn has.  No, Murray doesn’t have a tremendous amount of wiggle in his game, but he is more economical with his touches and keeps it simple.  The fact that he can function without the ball too makes me think that an offense would function better with him on the floor, not just him running it, but him being part of it, sorta like how Billups was.  Dunn probably has better breakdown ability, but I think Murray will eventually become the better PnR handler because the opposition can’t go under and they have to respect the mid pull up as well.