What would it take for Steph Curry to be the 2nd greatest PG of all time.

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Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 9:30pm #62062

SkalAndJamal
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Obviously being the greatest PG of all time is possible, just Magic IMO has set a much higher bar than whoever is considered the 2nd greatest PG of all time.
So would it take for Curry to be right behind Magic? Well lets see those contenders for the 2nd greatest PG of all time.
John Stockton – 2x all-nba first team, 2x conference champ, 0 rings.
Jason Kidd – 5x all-nba first team, 3x conference champ, 1 ring.
Isiah Thomas – 3x all-nba first team, 3x conference champ, 2 rings.
Then Curry
Steph Curry – 1x all-nba first team, 1x conference champ, 1 ring, 1 mvp.
Let’s not include Oscar cause 60s bball in my opinion is very tricky cause it’s definitley different.
So if his Warriors keep it up and get 67-75 wins, get a ring, he’d forsure get the MVP. Then add 3x all-nba first teams and 2x conference champ.
Steph Curry – 4x all-nba first team, 3x conference champ, 2 rings, 2 mvps… 2nd greatest PG of all time.
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Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 9:43pm #1028655

CU.LIONS
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Good question. The answer for me is simple. FIRST stay healthy, second is to have consistency. Curry needs to play at least a few more years at this level to be considered. But it is amazing watching someone like Curry who was great last year, actually get better. I think he just scored 40 points on just 18 shots. 8-11 from 3. Holy sheesh he is good.
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Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 9:43pm #1028520

CU.LIONS
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Good question. The answer for me is simple. FIRST stay healthy, second is to have consistency. Curry needs to play at least a few more years at this level to be considered. But it is amazing watching someone like Curry who was great last year, actually get better. I think he just scored 40 points on just 18 shots. 8-11 from 3. Holy sheesh he is good.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 1:32pm #1028665
  
  frogman
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  You’re right health is the most important thing. Remember when Rose won an MVP at 22 years old. People were saying he would be the best PG (or 2nd after Magic) of all time. How’s that working out?
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 1:32pm #1028802
  
  frogman
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  You’re right health is the most important thing. Remember when Rose won an MVP at 22 years old. People were saying he would be the best PG (or 2nd after Magic) of all time. How’s that working out?
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Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:01pm #1028677

Mopgrass
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If you’re Steph Curry and you average 30 points your teammates will hate you less than when Carmelo Anthony does it… simple because a 3-point shooter has to take fewer shots to do it. Curry could shoot 4 fewer shots a game to average 30 than it took Carmelo to do the same in 2012. I actually think that’s part of the cohesion in GS. Not only should his teammates have more faith it’s going in, but shooting 20 times a game instead of 24 is important to the happiness of teammates.
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Posted on: Wed, 12/02/2015 - 11:01pm #1028542

Mopgrass
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If you’re Steph Curry and you average 30 points your teammates will hate you less than when Carmelo Anthony does it… simple because a 3-point shooter has to take fewer shots to do it. Curry could shoot 4 fewer shots a game to average 30 than it took Carmelo to do the same in 2012. I actually think that’s part of the cohesion in GS. Not only should his teammates have more faith it’s going in, but shooting 20 times a game instead of 24 is important to the happiness of teammates.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 1:27pm #1028663
  
  frogman
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  Ahh… OK
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 1:27pm #1028800
  
  frogman
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  Ahh… OK
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:45am #1028683

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If the Warriors win another ring in the next two to three years, and Curry remains healthy, he will undoubedly be in the running for top 5, and will most likely be #2 by the end of his career.
I think the player you have to compare Curry to in terms of PG play is Isaiah Thomas, as he was one of the best scoring PG’s of his generation, and also played on a team similar to these Warrior teams in terms of teammates and defensive identity. Thomas was a champion, and is considered one of the greatest players of all time, let alone PG’s of all time.
Throughout his career PER 36 minutes IT put up:
19.1 ppg, 9.2 apg, 3.6 rpg, 1.9 spg on 45/29/76 shooting and a 107 DRtg
So far Steph’s PER 36 is:
21.5 ppg, 7 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.8 spg on 47/44/90 shooting and a 107 DRtg
It’s also worth mentioning that Curry is very similar to Walt Frazier, but I won’t really bring him up because he didn’t have that long of a career, and I think Curry has already surpassed him (!). Frazier won two rings, and was a great scorer as well in the 70’s.
Steph’s numbers if he keeps this up will just be better than the competition, and when you take into account team success, and the fact that he’s shattering shooting records, you eventually will have to give the nod to Steph. His ability to change the game with his shooting is something we’ve never seen before, and he’s making the game look easy. If he can continue to do this throughout his peak for about 5 more years, I don’t even think it will be close.
One thing I think he has over the competition already is his ring, and that goes a long way. Comparable playes like Kevin Johnson/Chris Paul don’t have rings, and the same with other greats like Stockton/Nash. Payton/Kidd never won as featured players, only shadows of what they were, so the only real competition is IT at this point.
Stay healthy Steph!

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:45am #1028548

mgreener_34
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If the Warriors win another ring in the next two to three years, and Curry remains healthy, he will undoubedly be in the running for top 5, and will most likely be #2 by the end of his career.
I think the player you have to compare Curry to in terms of PG play is Isaiah Thomas, as he was one of the best scoring PG’s of his generation, and also played on a team similar to these Warrior teams in terms of teammates and defensive identity. Thomas was a champion, and is considered one of the greatest players of all time, let alone PG’s of all time.
Throughout his career PER 36 minutes IT put up:
19.1 ppg, 9.2 apg, 3.6 rpg, 1.9 spg on 45/29/76 shooting and a 107 DRtg
So far Steph’s PER 36 is:
21.5 ppg, 7 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.8 spg on 47/44/90 shooting and a 107 DRtg
It’s also worth mentioning that Curry is very similar to Walt Frazier, but I won’t really bring him up because he didn’t have that long of a career, and I think Curry has already surpassed him (!). Frazier won two rings, and was a great scorer as well in the 70’s.
Steph’s numbers if he keeps this up will just be better than the competition, and when you take into account team success, and the fact that he’s shattering shooting records, you eventually will have to give the nod to Steph. His ability to change the game with his shooting is something we’ve never seen before, and he’s making the game look easy. If he can continue to do this throughout his peak for about 5 more years, I don’t even think it will be close.
One thing I think he has over the competition already is his ring, and that goes a long way. Comparable playes like Kevin Johnson/Chris Paul don’t have rings, and the same with other greats like Stockton/Nash. Payton/Kidd never won as featured players, only shadows of what they were, so the only real competition is IT at this point.
Stay healthy Steph!

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:22am #1028687

Memphis Madness
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He won’t be 28 until March.
If the Warriors continue this run, then they can break the ’96 Bulls record, get about 73 or 74 wins, go on to win a title, and be set up for what I been thinking about for awhile — a 4peat.
If Steph can do that, and get the MVP, Finals MVP, and an Olympic gold medal next summer, then he could be well on his way of passing EVERYBODY.

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:22am #1028552

Memphis Madness
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He won’t be 28 until March.
If the Warriors continue this run, then they can break the ’96 Bulls record, get about 73 or 74 wins, go on to win a title, and be set up for what I been thinking about for awhile — a 4peat.
If Steph can do that, and get the MVP, Finals MVP, and an Olympic gold medal next summer, then he could be well on his way of passing EVERYBODY.

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:42am #1028691

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I think it’s amazing- the same people who don’t have Kobe top 10, ussually dont realize that, yes: staying healthy, and being consistetent with his numbers now would be HUGE for that, but with that, he would have to have atleast a few rings (2-3) to be considered 2nd all time for PG. If he stayed healthy, had similar numbers, but didn’t win, he would still be one of the greatest, and hall of fame, but second would be much closer to someone like I. Thomas who has won. I may gets negs for this, but like it or not. rings are NOT the only thing that matters (ie: Robert Horry); but after numbers, and awards, impact, has all been accounted for what sepeartes the great, from the greatest, is the RINGS. If Duncan never won, he would NOT be considered in the same light he is now, he would still be great, but not talked about how he (rightly) is. Jordan was always really good, but not Magic or Bird before, because he never won, and therefore "didnt make his teammates better" like Magic or Bird, and if he only won 1 he would NOT be the GOAT toMANY. You may hate this, but this is how it has always been seperating the great from the greatest. It may not be fair, but it is there. Malone and Barkley would be seen differently (are still one of the greatets ever) if they had 3 rings.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:42am #1028556

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I think it’s amazing- the same people who don’t have Kobe top 10, ussually dont realize that, yes: staying healthy, and being consistetent with his numbers now would be HUGE for that, but with that, he would have to have atleast a few rings (2-3) to be considered 2nd all time for PG. If he stayed healthy, had similar numbers, but didn’t win, he would still be one of the greatest, and hall of fame, but second would be much closer to someone like I. Thomas who has won. I may gets negs for this, but like it or not. rings are NOT the only thing that matters (ie: Robert Horry); but after numbers, and awards, impact, has all been accounted for what sepeartes the great, from the greatest, is the RINGS. If Duncan never won, he would NOT be considered in the same light he is now, he would still be great, but not talked about how he (rightly) is. Jordan was always really good, but not Magic or Bird before, because he never won, and therefore "didnt make his teammates better" like Magic or Bird, and if he only won 1 he would NOT be the GOAT toMANY. You may hate this, but this is how it has always been seperating the great from the greatest. It may not be fair, but it is there. Malone and Barkley would be seen differently (are still one of the greatets ever) if they had 3 rings.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:43am #1028695

Chewy
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achievements and NOT mention he is the ALL TIME leader in two NBA categories is crazy!
He is 3,00 ahead of 2nd place in assists and 600-700 or so ahead of 2nd place in steals.
Steph is a great player, but he is not touching either of those numbers. Steph could beat John in 3pointers made (duh) and overall points, but…
You don’t make my PG Mount Rushmore because of points. You make it through assists and leadership.

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:43am #1028560

Chewy
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achievements and NOT mention he is the ALL TIME leader in two NBA categories is crazy!
He is 3,00 ahead of 2nd place in assists and 600-700 or so ahead of 2nd place in steals.
Steph is a great player, but he is not touching either of those numbers. Steph could beat John in 3pointers made (duh) and overall points, but…
You don’t make my PG Mount Rushmore because of points. You make it through assists and leadership.

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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:32am #1028709
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  IDGAF about all-time stats. Stockton and Malone are "suppose" to be two of the greatest players in their positions yet they played 17 seasons with each other, and only went to the finals TWICE and have ZERO rings. Curry and Draymond are about to achieve more within these next 3-4 years.
  And yes I know, Draymond Green is nowhere as good as Karl Malone. Which makes Steph even the more special. And Steph is playing in the strongest era of point guard play.
  But it’s your mount rushmore you can have whatever criteria you want.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:32am #1028574
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  IDGAF about all-time stats. Stockton and Malone are "suppose" to be two of the greatest players in their positions yet they played 17 seasons with each other, and only went to the finals TWICE and have ZERO rings. Curry and Draymond are about to achieve more within these next 3-4 years.
  And yes I know, Draymond Green is nowhere as good as Karl Malone. Which makes Steph even the more special. And Steph is playing in the strongest era of point guard play.
  But it’s your mount rushmore you can have whatever criteria you want.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:49am #1028720
    
    CameronCrazy11
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    The NBA was better at the top than it is now. There’s more parity in the league now than there was during most of the Stockton-Malone years, but there were more elite teams back then. Think about the teams that were in the West in the late 80s and 90s: Magic/Worthy’s Lakers, some very good Blazers teams led by Clyde Drexler, a Suns team that had Barkley, Kevin Johnson, and Majerle as its big three, a Rockets team led by Hakeem that won back-to-back titles, a Sonics team featuring the Glove, Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, and Hersey Hawkins, and a Spurs team with David Robinson and a young Tim Duncan. Even when they finally made it to the Finals, they only had to deal with quite possibly the greatest basketball trio in history (MJ, Pippen, and Rodman). Then going even further, the Shaq-Kobe Lakers were preventing them from making the Finals for the next few years as well. Winning a ring does mean something, but it’s not the end all, be all that many people like to make it out to be when determining a player’s place in history.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:49am #1028584
    
    CameronCrazy11
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    The NBA was better at the top than it is now. There’s more parity in the league now than there was during most of the Stockton-Malone years, but there were more elite teams back then. Think about the teams that were in the West in the late 80s and 90s: Magic/Worthy’s Lakers, some very good Blazers teams led by Clyde Drexler, a Suns team that had Barkley, Kevin Johnson, and Majerle as its big three, a Rockets team led by Hakeem that won back-to-back titles, a Sonics team featuring the Glove, Shawn Kemp, Detlef Schrempf, and Hersey Hawkins, and a Spurs team with David Robinson and a young Tim Duncan. Even when they finally made it to the Finals, they only had to deal with quite possibly the greatest basketball trio in history (MJ, Pippen, and Rodman). Then going even further, the Shaq-Kobe Lakers were preventing them from making the Finals for the next few years as well. Winning a ring does mean something, but it’s not the end all, be all that many people like to make it out to be when determining a player’s place in history.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 9:22am #1028729
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      eh I’m not saying it’s the only thing. But Utah did have the team to be in the finals more than twice in 17 years. Stockton had Malone and Malone had Stockton. Lack of success should be pointed at them. I agree that the top is better than it is now in 2015, BUT it’s no stroll in the park still. CP3 and Blake are a better duo than Kemp and the Glove, Spurs are loaded this year and have a top 3 coach of all time, few are a more talented duo than Westbrook and Durant in the history of the game.
      At one point you cant just keep losing and say well its because of player x. then the next year player y. then the next year player z. and so on and so forth. MJ did leave the bulls, the rockets did get bounced in the first round plenty of times, Tim Duncan got in the in 1997, Clyde’s blazers werent legit post-1991-92. Utah had it’s opportunites and you just cant make excuses for them not seizing the opportunity. If that was the case we need to give Melo a pass cause during the 2000s every year he would run into the Spurs or Lakers and just fall on his back.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 9:22am #1028594
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      eh I’m not saying it’s the only thing. But Utah did have the team to be in the finals more than twice in 17 years. Stockton had Malone and Malone had Stockton. Lack of success should be pointed at them. I agree that the top is better than it is now in 2015, BUT it’s no stroll in the park still. CP3 and Blake are a better duo than Kemp and the Glove, Spurs are loaded this year and have a top 3 coach of all time, few are a more talented duo than Westbrook and Durant in the history of the game.
      At one point you cant just keep losing and say well its because of player x. then the next year player y. then the next year player z. and so on and so forth. MJ did leave the bulls, the rockets did get bounced in the first round plenty of times, Tim Duncan got in the in 1997, Clyde’s blazers werent legit post-1991-92. Utah had it’s opportunites and you just cant make excuses for them not seizing the opportunity. If that was the case we need to give Melo a pass cause during the 2000s every year he would run into the Spurs or Lakers and just fall on his back.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:04am #1028735
    
    ZachAttack
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    Draymond’s a scrub…
    In all honesty, I love what the Warriors are doing. But I hate how everyone just thinks they can automatically put Curry into the 2nd PG of all time. John Stockton was the most pure point guard of all time. He DEFINITELY deserves to be that #2. Heck, depending on who you talk to, he could be #1. Who would you rather have on a team, John Stockton, or Steph Curry. I’d rather have Stockton. He keeps the ball moving, he made his teammates better, and he had the passion that Curry doesn’t have. Look at the Houston Shot…
    Anyways, it’s ridiculous that you all are ready to just write off John Stockton already. John Stockton is the clear #2.
    
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  - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:04am #1028600
    
    ZachAttack
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    Draymond’s a scrub…
    In all honesty, I love what the Warriors are doing. But I hate how everyone just thinks they can automatically put Curry into the 2nd PG of all time. John Stockton was the most pure point guard of all time. He DEFINITELY deserves to be that #2. Heck, depending on who you talk to, he could be #1. Who would you rather have on a team, John Stockton, or Steph Curry. I’d rather have Stockton. He keeps the ball moving, he made his teammates better, and he had the passion that Curry doesn’t have. Look at the Houston Shot…
    Anyways, it’s ridiculous that you all are ready to just write off John Stockton already. John Stockton is the clear #2.
    
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    - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:13am #1028739
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      Oh Zach I saw your reply a mile away.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:13am #1028604
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      Oh Zach I saw your reply a mile away.
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      - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 3:56pm #1028694
        
        ZachAttack
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        haha yeah. I was just a little annoyed that people don’t respect John Stockton for the great player he was. I’m sure it has to do with the fact that he was with a small market team, but he really worked hard to get to the top and now I see some people without him even in their top 10 PG’s of all time. People look at the stats too much. JS didn’t score a lot but he always had a calm head and he was the one that could calm the team down. And in some guys, like the Houston WCF game, he could take over. If John Stockton would have taken over the end of some of the Bulls series, Utah would have a championship. He was that good. I just don’t think he put it all on display when he was on the court.
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        Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:10pm #1028891
        
        SkalAndJamal
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        He’s great but to be a top 2 all-time position you forsure got to win. I hope you can at least respect that he’s in contention for #2 despite not winning anything, that’s how much I respect his accomplishments.
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        Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:10pm #1028756
        
        SkalAndJamal
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        He’s great but to be a top 2 all-time position you forsure got to win. I hope you can at least respect that he’s in contention for #2 despite not winning anything, that’s how much I respect his accomplishments.
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      - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 3:56pm #1028829
        
        ZachAttack
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        haha yeah. I was just a little annoyed that people don’t respect John Stockton for the great player he was. I’m sure it has to do with the fact that he was with a small market team, but he really worked hard to get to the top and now I see some people without him even in their top 10 PG’s of all time. People look at the stats too much. JS didn’t score a lot but he always had a calm head and he was the one that could calm the team down. And in some guys, like the Houston WCF game, he could take over. If John Stockton would have taken over the end of some of the Bulls series, Utah would have a championship. He was that good. I just don’t think he put it all on display when he was on the court.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:13am #1028741
    
    Chewy
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    If you’re trying to find out who is the best of all time, why would you not use all time stats? I realized Curry isn’t close to being done yet, but we can estimate using his current production from last year and this year.
    I mean, The Glove even said Stockton was harder to guard than Jordan!
    Are we knocking all players who don’t have finals apperances and rings then? So forget any star who played in the 90’s. Forget any player in the 80’s not on LA or Boston then.
    If someone else values scoring for their PG Mount Rushmore, I can respect that, but a true PG for me is not a primary scorer. He is a passer and a leader and an organizer/ coach on the floor.
    
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  - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:13am #1028606
    
    Chewy
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    If you’re trying to find out who is the best of all time, why would you not use all time stats? I realized Curry isn’t close to being done yet, but we can estimate using his current production from last year and this year.
    I mean, The Glove even said Stockton was harder to guard than Jordan!
    Are we knocking all players who don’t have finals apperances and rings then? So forget any star who played in the 90’s. Forget any player in the 80’s not on LA or Boston then.
    If someone else values scoring for their PG Mount Rushmore, I can respect that, but a true PG for me is not a primary scorer. He is a passer and a leader and an organizer/ coach on the floor.
    
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    - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:24am #1028611
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      All-time stats are overrated. Malone is not the 2nd best scorer of all time and Dirk is not 7th because all-time stats say so. Mark Jackson is not the 4th best passer because hes 4th best in assists. Yes obviously you need talent to be in such a category, but lets not get it twisted, that’s mostly about longevity.
      GP is just salty about losing to Jordan when he wasnt a 100% healthy, and he owes his allegiance to Stockton for helping him out when Payton first came in the league, so GP has some bias in what he says.
      If you want to be an all-time great, you have to win. It’s no secret. T-Mac might be considered the 3rd greatest shooting guard of all time right now if he could have figured that.
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      - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 3:00pm #1028684
        
        SubZero
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        Off topic, but I think that if T-Mac had the drive of MJ or Kobe, he’d be the best player ever. But that’s just me
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        Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:12pm #1028893
        
        SkalAndJamal
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        all i know is only two players in the history of the game could do this, and it’s kobe and T-Mac.
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        Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:12pm #1028758
        
        SkalAndJamal
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        all i know is only two players in the history of the game could do this, and it’s kobe and T-Mac.
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      - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 3:00pm #1028820
        
        SubZero
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        Off topic, but I think that if T-Mac had the drive of MJ or Kobe, he’d be the best player ever. But that’s just me
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    - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:24am #1028747
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      All-time stats are overrated. Malone is not the 2nd best scorer of all time and Dirk is not 7th because all-time stats say so. Mark Jackson is not the 4th best passer because hes 4th best in assists. Yes obviously you need talent to be in such a category, but lets not get it twisted, that’s mostly about longevity.
      GP is just salty about losing to Jordan when he wasnt a 100% healthy, and he owes his allegiance to Stockton for helping him out when Payton first came in the league, so GP has some bias in what he says.
      If you want to be an all-time great, you have to win. It’s no secret. T-Mac might be considered the 3rd greatest shooting guard of all time right now if he could have figured that.
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  - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 10:25am #1028985
    
    Matos
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    Did you just try to insinuate that Steph and Draymond are a better duo than Stockton and Malone???? Because I am pretty sure there were no Klay Thompsons & Andre Iguodalas on any of the Utah Jazz teams.
    Everyone tries to always categorize greatness solely by team accomplishments. Sure that has some merit but there are plenty of players who were not able to get a ring or reach the finals multiple times (ex: Allen Iverson) that should still be considered among the greats.
    
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  - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 10:25am #1028850
    
    Matos
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    Did you just try to insinuate that Steph and Draymond are a better duo than Stockton and Malone???? Because I am pretty sure there were no Klay Thompsons & Andre Iguodalas on any of the Utah Jazz teams.
    Everyone tries to always categorize greatness solely by team accomplishments. Sure that has some merit but there are plenty of players who were not able to get a ring or reach the finals multiple times (ex: Allen Iverson) that should still be considered among the greats.
    
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:52am #1028697

Memphis Madness
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I was thinking that perhaps Steph Curry needed a minimum of 10,000 assists to be the second best all-time point guard. Magic has that. Stockton obliterated that. Jason Kidd had over 10k assists. Oscar Robertson had close to 10,000.
Well, Steph isn’t even to 3,000 assists yet, so he better get to passing, IF assist totals matter.
To be the 2nd greatest point guard ever he would need a combination of Magic’s winning (5 titles) and MVP’s (3 I think), Stockton’s assists and steals (a TON), and Isiah Thomas’s iconic, classic moments — which he is currently working on.
At the very least I think he needs to help turn this Warriors team into a legit DYNASTY. What about holding on to the scoring lead this year, and getting another scoring title (or two) after this season? That would help.
He would STILL need a boat load of assists. So, I am gonna say he will need AT LEAST 7,500 assists overall. So, he better get to passing!
If he finishes his career with a 4 peat, 3 regular season MVP awards, 3 Finals MVP trophies, a bunch of steals, and at least 7,500 assists, he will not only be the 2nd greatest point guard EVER, he will also be in contention for the Mount Rushmore of Guards.

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:52am #1028562

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I was thinking that perhaps Steph Curry needed a minimum of 10,000 assists to be the second best all-time point guard. Magic has that. Stockton obliterated that. Jason Kidd had over 10k assists. Oscar Robertson had close to 10,000.
Well, Steph isn’t even to 3,000 assists yet, so he better get to passing, IF assist totals matter.
To be the 2nd greatest point guard ever he would need a combination of Magic’s winning (5 titles) and MVP’s (3 I think), Stockton’s assists and steals (a TON), and Isiah Thomas’s iconic, classic moments — which he is currently working on.
At the very least I think he needs to help turn this Warriors team into a legit DYNASTY. What about holding on to the scoring lead this year, and getting another scoring title (or two) after this season? That would help.
He would STILL need a boat load of assists. So, I am gonna say he will need AT LEAST 7,500 assists overall. So, he better get to passing!
If he finishes his career with a 4 peat, 3 regular season MVP awards, 3 Finals MVP trophies, a bunch of steals, and at least 7,500 assists, he will not only be the 2nd greatest point guard EVER, he will also be in contention for the Mount Rushmore of Guards.

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:58am #1028699

Hitster
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Curry is a scoring PG, he isn’t a creator supreme PG like Magic, Stockton, Kidd, Nash etc so to compare them isn’t as easy as some may think.
I fully agree that Magic is the greatest PG of all time, Stockton is a close 2nd IMO and his career total in assists is unlikely to ever be beaten. If Magic had stayed healthy I think he could have gone beyond even what Stockton achieved statswise. Magic with his off the charts basketball IQ and insane size for a PG could have run the Lakers point well into the Shaq and young Kobe era.
As regards Curry, I’d need to see him winning at least another title and MVP award and being an All Star for another 4/5 years to get into the PG Mount Rushmore list.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 7:58am #1028564

Hitster
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Curry is a scoring PG, he isn’t a creator supreme PG like Magic, Stockton, Kidd, Nash etc so to compare them isn’t as easy as some may think.
I fully agree that Magic is the greatest PG of all time, Stockton is a close 2nd IMO and his career total in assists is unlikely to ever be beaten. If Magic had stayed healthy I think he could have gone beyond even what Stockton achieved statswise. Magic with his off the charts basketball IQ and insane size for a PG could have run the Lakers point well into the Shaq and young Kobe era.
As regards Curry, I’d need to see him winning at least another title and MVP award and being an All Star for another 4/5 years to get into the PG Mount Rushmore list.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:04am #1028701

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Could Steph end up as a top 10 all time guard? Who knows?
Here is a top ten list of guards off the top of my head:
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kobe
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Jerry West
6. John Stockton
7. Isiah Thomas
8. D Wade
9. Iverson
10. Walt Frazier
The number 10 spot is up for grabs. Bob Cousy if you like pass-first point guards, being one. Clyde Drexler is an all-time great, too. And I probably left off a no-brainer.
Can Steph Curry end up on this list one day? Sure, why not. I think he will finish his career at either 7 or 8, as a likely scenario, but possibly higher.

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:04am #1028566

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Could Steph end up as a top 10 all time guard? Who knows?
Here is a top ten list of guards off the top of my head:
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Kobe
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Jerry West
6. John Stockton
7. Isiah Thomas
8. D Wade
9. Iverson
10. Walt Frazier
The number 10 spot is up for grabs. Bob Cousy if you like pass-first point guards, being one. Clyde Drexler is an all-time great, too. And I probably left off a no-brainer.
Can Steph Curry end up on this list one day? Sure, why not. I think he will finish his career at either 7 or 8, as a likely scenario, but possibly higher.

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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:35am #1028712
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  Iverson? really? Did anyone watch bball from 2004-2010, he was a negative.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:35am #1028576
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  Iverson? really? Did anyone watch bball from 2004-2010, he was a negative.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 4:05pm #1028700
    
    PulseGlazer
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    Neg him all you want, Iverson was terrible for like the whole second half of his career.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:16pm #1028895
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      He destroyed Detroit and got in Melo’s way, but what do i know…
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    - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:16pm #1028760
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      He destroyed Detroit and got in Melo’s way, but what do i know…
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  - Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 4:05pm #1028835
    
    PulseGlazer
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    Neg him all you want, Iverson was terrible for like the whole second half of his career.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:38am #1028714

mgreener_34
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Are the people who are nagging on him about his assists for real? Have you ever watched a Warriors game? It would be kind of hard to get 10 assists per game in that offense because everyone is so unselfish, and moves the ball.
I mean come on, Dremond Green is averaging over 7 assists a game, and Iggy almost 4 a game. Curry will never have gaudy assist numbers on that team, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a great passer. He’s arguably one of the best playmakers in the NBA, and could average 10 apg easily if he really wanted to force it like Rondo/Rubio do.
It’s also hard to argue against a poinguard who’s running the #1 offense in the league for the past two years.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:38am #1028578

mgreener_34
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Are the people who are nagging on him about his assists for real? Have you ever watched a Warriors game? It would be kind of hard to get 10 assists per game in that offense because everyone is so unselfish, and moves the ball.
I mean come on, Dremond Green is averaging over 7 assists a game, and Iggy almost 4 a game. Curry will never have gaudy assist numbers on that team, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a great passer. He’s arguably one of the best playmakers in the NBA, and could average 10 apg easily if he really wanted to force it like Rondo/Rubio do.
It’s also hard to argue against a poinguard who’s running the #1 offense in the league for the past two years.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:49am #1028718
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  Fantastic post. Hype Rubio and Rondo up if it’s all about assist.
  People really need to watch the games. Curry ruins a guy one on one or hits THE MOST open teammate for them to just move the ball around the perimeter till the opposing defense can’t keep scrambling and then a sharp shooter is wide af open.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 8:49am #1028582
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  Fantastic post. Hype Rubio and Rondo up if it’s all about assist.
  People really need to watch the games. Curry ruins a guy one on one or hits THE MOST open teammate for them to just move the ball around the perimeter till the opposing defense can’t keep scrambling and then a sharp shooter is wide af open.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:56am #1028621

lalaila
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he just needs to continue to do what he is doing this past two year and he will be an automatic top4.
talking about number two its either basketball you like, ranking places are never unanimous.
it’s either you like 17/14 guy super efficient unselfish and good winner
20/10 leader and winner
or hopfully annual 27/8 from now, and I guess great winner too ( I mean at 27 champion and MVP with the best chances to double it both) and the best shooter EVER.
I think he will have his point for sure

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:56am #1028757

lalaila
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he just needs to continue to do what he is doing this past two year and he will be an automatic top4.
talking about number two its either basketball you like, ranking places are never unanimous.
it’s either you like 17/14 guy super efficient unselfish and good winner
20/10 leader and winner
or hopfully annual 27/8 from now, and I guess great winner too ( I mean at 27 champion and MVP with the best chances to double it both) and the best shooter EVER.
I think he will have his point for sure

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 11:48am #1028633

Greekballin
lol dude barely avg 6 assist per game, he’s a shooting guard that can pass to me.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:04pm #1028641
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  He runs the best offense in the NBA the past two years. If you think there might be a better floor general than Steph Curry, you havent watched much bball.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:04pm #1028777
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  He runs the best offense in the NBA the past two years. If you think there might be a better floor general than Steph Curry, you havent watched much bball.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 11:48am #1028769

Greekballin
lol dude barely avg 6 assist per game, he’s a shooting guard that can pass to me.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:55pm #1028656

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Or, what about this?
If you were putting together an ALL TIME VIDEO GAME STARTING FIVE who would you go with?
MJ is a lock at the 2. Then go with PEAK Wilt at center. 50 points, 25 boards, tons of blocks, can defend, great athlete, gets some assists. At the forward spots go with the BEST: Lebron and Larry Bird. Each guy can play either the 3 or the 4. Both guys have sky high basketball IQ’s, can handle, pass, rebound, and get to the line. Bird’s a better long-range shooter with LeBron better at barreling towards the basket. LeBron is a better one on one defender but both guys could get steals. EITHER LeBron or Bird could run the offense 100% of the time. Not to mention MJ can do that in spots. Heck, Wilt led the league in assists one year.
So, who do you put at point?
Need a guy to complement MJ to form the deadliest backcourt EVER.
What about a guy you can put in DEADLY pick and pops with Larry Bird?
I am gonna go with Steph Curry. Yeah, Magic sounds nice, but you’ve got Bird and LeBron as big playmakers and fancy passers.
Can you imagine an MJ and Steph backcourt? OUCH!
Then Bird and Steph taking turns with dagger jump shots. Each guy with parking lot range…
Would anyone bet against a VIDEO GAME ALL TIME lineup of Steph Curry, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Larry Bird, and Wilt Chamberlain?

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 12:55pm #1028792

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Or, what about this?
If you were putting together an ALL TIME VIDEO GAME STARTING FIVE who would you go with?
MJ is a lock at the 2. Then go with PEAK Wilt at center. 50 points, 25 boards, tons of blocks, can defend, great athlete, gets some assists. At the forward spots go with the BEST: Lebron and Larry Bird. Each guy can play either the 3 or the 4. Both guys have sky high basketball IQ’s, can handle, pass, rebound, and get to the line. Bird’s a better long-range shooter with LeBron better at barreling towards the basket. LeBron is a better one on one defender but both guys could get steals. EITHER LeBron or Bird could run the offense 100% of the time. Not to mention MJ can do that in spots. Heck, Wilt led the league in assists one year.
So, who do you put at point?
Need a guy to complement MJ to form the deadliest backcourt EVER.
What about a guy you can put in DEADLY pick and pops with Larry Bird?
I am gonna go with Steph Curry. Yeah, Magic sounds nice, but you’ve got Bird and LeBron as big playmakers and fancy passers.
Can you imagine an MJ and Steph backcourt? OUCH!
Then Bird and Steph taking turns with dagger jump shots. Each guy with parking lot range…
Would anyone bet against a VIDEO GAME ALL TIME lineup of Steph Curry, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Larry Bird, and Wilt Chamberlain?

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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 3:04pm #1028686

SubZero
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There’s a difference between being the best point guard and being the best player who played point guard. That might not make sense, but to me I think that even though he might not run an offense like Stock (partly because that system allows pretty much anyone on the court to run it), he could still be a better player who played that position. He just plays it a little differently, but has had an even better outcome than Stock ever did because he won a championship
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 3:04pm #1028821

SubZero
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There’s a difference between being the best point guard and being the best player who played point guard. That might not make sense, but to me I think that even though he might not run an offense like Stock (partly because that system allows pretty much anyone on the court to run it), he could still be a better player who played that position. He just plays it a little differently, but has had an even better outcome than Stock ever did because he won a championship
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 3:18pm #1028688

PulseGlazer
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When adjusted for pace and competition, Kareem had a better season in (I believe) 72 than Wilt’s crazy 50-25. Just FYI.
As far as Steph? Since no one has ever done this, I can’t really project him. If he maintains this pace for 2 years and they keep winning, he’s top 5. If he maintains it for more like 7 or 8? Wow.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 3:18pm #1028823

PulseGlazer
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When adjusted for pace and competition, Kareem had a better season in (I believe) 72 than Wilt’s crazy 50-25. Just FYI.
As far as Steph? Since no one has ever done this, I can’t really project him. If he maintains this pace for 2 years and they keep winning, he’s top 5. If he maintains it for more like 7 or 8? Wow.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 4:54pm #1028706

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Curry is phenomenal – PHENOMENAL – but it would take him playing in an era with real perimeter defense and physical play being allowed for him to crack the top 5. Love watching him play, but if he were in the mid 90’s for example, you think he’d be allowed to dance with the ball and jack up 25 footers with Derek Harper, Gary Payton, Mookie Blaylock, etc… draped all over him and smacking the sh!t out of him? No way. The kid is great – for his team, for the league, for basketball as a whole – but there’s literally nothing he can do to be the 2nd best pg of all time. He should already be considered the best shooter of all time though. Even with the complete lack of perimeter D, what he’s doing is insane.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 5:04pm #1028710
  
  PulseGlazer
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  That’s wholly out of his control and to say he can’t be top teir because of it is remarkably unfair. I mean, does he gain credit because with so little illegal defense teams can throw multiple players at him?
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  - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 5:55am #1028937
    
    whiteflash
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    Agreed. What I’m saying is, if you were to put an Isiah Thomas or Kevin Johnson in today’s league they’d absolutely dominate. If you were to put Curry in their time, he wouldn’t necessarily struggle, but he DEFINITELY wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing in today’s game.
    Also, as much as I liked Magic’s game, I don’t have him as the best pg of all time. Magic was great, but he also played with four (4!) HOF’ers. I’d put Isaiah Thomas and maybe even Stockton ahead of him.
    
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  - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 5:55am #1028801
    
    whiteflash
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    Agreed. What I’m saying is, if you were to put an Isiah Thomas or Kevin Johnson in today’s league they’d absolutely dominate. If you were to put Curry in their time, he wouldn’t necessarily struggle, but he DEFINITELY wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing in today’s game.
    Also, as much as I liked Magic’s game, I don’t have him as the best pg of all time. Magic was great, but he also played with four (4!) HOF’ers. I’d put Isaiah Thomas and maybe even Stockton ahead of him.
    
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    - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 11:57am #1028870
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      If you put Isaiah Thomas or Kevin Johnson in today’s league and saying they would dominate is a pretty baseless claim. NBA back in the day was not that great defense as much as people want to claim, it would be a rarity to stop a team from scoring under 100 points and this is not worrying about guys stretching the floor because a lot of players didn’t want to shoot 3s.
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      - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 3:03pm #1028890
        
        whiteflash
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        You’re joking, right? The individual and team defenses were LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything the league has seen since they allowed zones in. Add that to the all-star mentality and lack of physicality and we currently have the most watered down NBA we’ve ever seen.
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      - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 3:03pm #1029025
        
        whiteflash
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        You’re joking, right? The individual and team defenses were LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything the league has seen since they allowed zones in. Add that to the all-star mentality and lack of physicality and we currently have the most watered down NBA we’ve ever seen.
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    - Posted on: Fri, 12/04/2015 - 11:57am #1029005
      
      SkalAndJamal
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      If you put Isaiah Thomas or Kevin Johnson in today’s league and saying they would dominate is a pretty baseless claim. NBA back in the day was not that great defense as much as people want to claim, it would be a rarity to stop a team from scoring under 100 points and this is not worrying about guys stretching the floor because a lot of players didn’t want to shoot 3s.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 5:04pm #1028845
  
  PulseGlazer
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  That’s wholly out of his control and to say he can’t be top teir because of it is remarkably unfair. I mean, does he gain credit because with so little illegal defense teams can throw multiple players at him?
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 4:54pm #1028841

whiteflash
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Curry is phenomenal – PHENOMENAL – but it would take him playing in an era with real perimeter defense and physical play being allowed for him to crack the top 5. Love watching him play, but if he were in the mid 90’s for example, you think he’d be allowed to dance with the ball and jack up 25 footers with Derek Harper, Gary Payton, Mookie Blaylock, etc… draped all over him and smacking the sh!t out of him? No way. The kid is great – for his team, for the league, for basketball as a whole – but there’s literally nothing he can do to be the 2nd best pg of all time. He should already be considered the best shooter of all time though. Even with the complete lack of perimeter D, what he’s doing is insane.
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 9:50pm #1028887

Greekballin
sorry but Lebron is a better floor general than Curry.. He has a much better vision and is a better passer, sorry Curry bandwagon fans. BTW Lebron’s 30 and Curry is 27, he’ll never be on Lebron’s level
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Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 9:50pm #1028752

Greekballin
sorry but Lebron is a better floor general than Curry.. He has a much better vision and is a better passer, sorry Curry bandwagon fans. BTW Lebron’s 30 and Curry is 27, he’ll never be on Lebron’s level
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:18pm #1028897
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  No one is a Curry bandwagon fans. We just have been watching bball the past 13 months.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/03/2015 - 10:18pm #1028762
  
  SkalAndJamal
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  No one is a Curry bandwagon fans. We just have been watching bball the past 13 months.
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