Who is better, E Mudiay or D Russell? They played against each other, Nuggets v Lakers.

 Mudiay played better, reason being was he was aggressive and set up his team well despite his turnovers.  Russell is playing to tentaively not trustung his instincts and  scared to make a mistake. Even on his misses Russell has that shoters touch and nice jumpshot, Mudiay’s shot needs lots of work Both have lots of potential

 Mudiay played better, reason being was he was aggressive and set up his team well despite his turnovers.  Russell is playing to tentaively not trustung his instincts and  scared to make a mistake. Even on his misses Russell has that shoters touch and nice jumpshot, Mudiay’s shot needs lots of work Both have lots of potential

 Russell isnt actually a good player and will lose any ‘who’s’ better arguement.

Mario chalmers is better than Russell

 Russell isnt actually a good player and will lose any ‘who’s’ better arguement.

Mario chalmers is better than Russell

Weird for the Lakers to take Russell over Mudiay partly because they didn’t view Mudiay as a pure pg. If Mudiay can get a bit more arc on his shot and work out that weird little leg kick he does, will be a legit pg in this league. Top notch ability to change speed, which is rare in such a young player with limited experience. As said above Russell is just too tentative, which is reasonable for a young shooter with a bad coach. 

Weird for the Lakers to take Russell over Mudiay partly because they didn’t view Mudiay as a pure pg. If Mudiay can get a bit more arc on his shot and work out that weird little leg kick he does, will be a legit pg in this league. Top notch ability to change speed, which is rare in such a young player with limited experience. As said above Russell is just too tentative, which is reasonable for a young shooter with a bad coach. 

Russell’s struggles aren’t really a shocker. He’s a left-handed, young combo guard. James Harden averaged 9.9 ppg on 40.3% shooting as a rookie.

He’ll need time. 

Russell’s struggles aren’t really a shocker. He’s a left-handed, young combo guard. James Harden averaged 9.9 ppg on 40.3% shooting as a rookie.

He’ll need time. 

 Here comes T Rex…

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can’t comment on who the better player is, its too early.

Before the draft I liked everything about Russell, he was skilled, cocky.  But now that he got drafted to the Lakers, and he’s doing all these interviews like he’s bigtime, it gets annoying, he hasn’t done sh–.  All them hairdos, also that he’s some pensive talker very good at expressing his mind, nobody cares for that sh–.  Just go out there and ball, nobody wants to know whats going on in your mind.  Show it on the court.  LA wants to hear his story, we just want to see you play hard not scared.

And thats what Mudiay is doing.  Ef Byron Scott for calling out a rookie and saying he didn’t think he was a true PG, before their first game.  Then he benches his daily-new-hairdo prized possession.  Hate the overhyped Lakers.

Muday plays hard, and he leads with his play.  No way D’Angelo Russell does what Mudiay is doing on the Nuggets, because D’Angelo Russell doesn’t play hard and tough.  Mudiay is a better leader.  He may not be a great shooter, but I think he’s smart and will be successful.  Rooting for him way more than Russell, and I liked Russell.  

can’t comment on who the better player is, its too early.

Before the draft I liked everything about Russell, he was skilled, cocky.  But now that he got drafted to the Lakers, and he’s doing all these interviews like he’s bigtime, it gets annoying, he hasn’t done sh–.  All them hairdos, also that he’s some pensive talker very good at expressing his mind, nobody cares for that sh–.  Just go out there and ball, nobody wants to know whats going on in your mind.  Show it on the court.  LA wants to hear his story, we just want to see you play hard not scared.

And thats what Mudiay is doing.  Ef Byron Scott for calling out a rookie and saying he didn’t think he was a true PG, before their first game.  Then he benches his daily-new-hairdo prized possession.  Hate the overhyped Lakers.

Muday plays hard, and he leads with his play.  No way D’Angelo Russell does what Mudiay is doing on the Nuggets, because D’Angelo Russell doesn’t play hard and tough.  Mudiay is a better leader.  He may not be a great shooter, but I think he’s smart and will be successful.  Rooting for him way more than Russell, and I liked Russell.  

 Russell needs to get stronger especially in his lower body. He doesn’t feel comfortable attacking the basket right now because he doesn’t have the strength or explosiveness to finish consistently over NBA defenders. His instincts are great, but he is limited in his playmaking ability because he doesn’t get into the paint regularly. He really needs a lot of work in the weight room over the next couple years to fully realize his potential. 

Mudiay is almost a polar opposite from Russell at this stage of his development. He already has the elite athleticism but he lacks the instincts right now. He struggles with making reads that come more naturally to Russell and needs more work in his skill development, especially outside shooting. I can’t say definitely if one is necessarily better than the other right now. Both have a lot of work to do. 

 Russell needs to get stronger especially in his lower body. He doesn’t feel comfortable attacking the basket right now because he doesn’t have the strength or explosiveness to finish consistently over NBA defenders. His instincts are great, but he is limited in his playmaking ability because he doesn’t get into the paint regularly. He really needs a lot of work in the weight room over the next couple years to fully realize his potential. 

Mudiay is almost a polar opposite from Russell at this stage of his development. He already has the elite athleticism but he lacks the instincts right now. He struggles with making reads that come more naturally to Russell and needs more work in his skill development, especially outside shooting. I can’t say definitely if one is necessarily better than the other right now. Both have a lot of work to do. 

 If Russell was given the freedom to do what Mudiay is doing he could absolutely average 6 TO’s a game in the same manner that Mudiay is.  

Prior to the draft Okafor was my number 1 (well number 2 after Towns), I also had Mudiay and Hezonja as favorites over Russell for me personally.  

There is a lot at play here, mostly the need or enjoyment that everybody gets hating the Lakers.  People have been jealous for years and now that the Lakers are down naturally the haters come out, that is expected.  They make a lot of noise which makes it basically impossible for Russell to have a normal rookie year.  This would have been the same for almost any rookie on the Lakers.  

The worst part about it is half of Laker fans are just as bad as the rest.  I consider most Laker fans (not ones on this site which for the most part somewhat understand the game) trolls.  The same folks that were yelling for MDA to get fired, and on board with the Scott hiring are now asking for his head.  They make a lot of noise, and they make way more noise than us rational fans.

This creates an environment where little to nobody will have patience, and pretty much no matter what a Laker rookie would accomplish, he wouldn’t be considered a success.  I mean Julius Randle is basically playing his rookie season and he is playing really well.  If he were on the 76ers he would be getting praised… the Lakers don’t have that same luxury.

All you need to do is look above, people talking about D Russells hair cut like wtf?  Who cares how dude wears his hair.  People will find anything.  He’s a 19 year old kid who isn’t a physical freak of nature… obviously he’s going to struggle against grown men and world class athletes.  Even in college he was a player who relied on his skill, not his athleticism.  

The irony here is MDA would be perfect for this team.  He would encourage the young guys to get up the court and play fast and free, which is what they need to learn.  Byron Scott is absolutely the worst coach in the NBA, and that probably includes assisstant coaches as well.  I haven’t checked after Tuesdays game, but prior to that game D Russ’s useage rate was 17%, while Kobe’s was in the low 30’s.  Byron Scott says he doesn’t see anything wrong with Kobe’s shots.  This is a problem.  

My hope as a rational Lakers fan is that Kobe and Byron Scott don’t get in the way enough to have a negative impact on Russells career going forward.  Anybody who is acting like they are surprised about what they are seeing right now isn’t rational.  We knew Byron would be incompetent, and we knew Kobe would be as selfish as ever.  I guess we were hoping that they could tone it down to let the young guys play.  

 Russell didn’t get off the bench in the 4th quarter last night because Scott was dead set on winning a game against the Nugs in early November.  My only hopes going into the season were avoiding those types of pointless decisions.

If you are of the knee jerk reaction, instant gratification type then you have a lot to be mad about with Russell.  If you are a rational human being who doesn’t compare the likes of Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, RJ Hunter and Jordan Mickey to the likes of James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Klay Thompson and Serge Ibaka then Russells play hasn’t really been a surprise.

 If Russell was given the freedom to do what Mudiay is doing he could absolutely average 6 TO’s a game in the same manner that Mudiay is.  

Prior to the draft Okafor was my number 1 (well number 2 after Towns), I also had Mudiay and Hezonja as favorites over Russell for me personally.  

There is a lot at play here, mostly the need or enjoyment that everybody gets hating the Lakers.  People have been jealous for years and now that the Lakers are down naturally the haters come out, that is expected.  They make a lot of noise which makes it basically impossible for Russell to have a normal rookie year.  This would have been the same for almost any rookie on the Lakers.  

The worst part about it is half of Laker fans are just as bad as the rest.  I consider most Laker fans (not ones on this site which for the most part somewhat understand the game) trolls.  The same folks that were yelling for MDA to get fired, and on board with the Scott hiring are now asking for his head.  They make a lot of noise, and they make way more noise than us rational fans.

This creates an environment where little to nobody will have patience, and pretty much no matter what a Laker rookie would accomplish, he wouldn’t be considered a success.  I mean Julius Randle is basically playing his rookie season and he is playing really well.  If he were on the 76ers he would be getting praised… the Lakers don’t have that same luxury.

All you need to do is look above, people talking about D Russells hair cut like wtf?  Who cares how dude wears his hair.  People will find anything.  He’s a 19 year old kid who isn’t a physical freak of nature… obviously he’s going to struggle against grown men and world class athletes.  Even in college he was a player who relied on his skill, not his athleticism.  

The irony here is MDA would be perfect for this team.  He would encourage the young guys to get up the court and play fast and free, which is what they need to learn.  Byron Scott is absolutely the worst coach in the NBA, and that probably includes assisstant coaches as well.  I haven’t checked after Tuesdays game, but prior to that game D Russ’s useage rate was 17%, while Kobe’s was in the low 30’s.  Byron Scott says he doesn’t see anything wrong with Kobe’s shots.  This is a problem.  

My hope as a rational Lakers fan is that Kobe and Byron Scott don’t get in the way enough to have a negative impact on Russells career going forward.  Anybody who is acting like they are surprised about what they are seeing right now isn’t rational.  We knew Byron would be incompetent, and we knew Kobe would be as selfish as ever.  I guess we were hoping that they could tone it down to let the young guys play.  

 Russell didn’t get off the bench in the 4th quarter last night because Scott was dead set on winning a game against the Nugs in early November.  My only hopes going into the season were avoiding those types of pointless decisions.

If you are of the knee jerk reaction, instant gratification type then you have a lot to be mad about with Russell.  If you are a rational human being who doesn’t compare the likes of Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, RJ Hunter and Jordan Mickey to the likes of James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Klay Thompson and Serge Ibaka then Russells play hasn’t really been a surprise.

 Jerian Grant is already playing a major role on a dramatic improvement by the Knicks. He does it by being a complete defensive player, and a complete offensive player as well. D-Russell is actually pretty similar to Grant as far as offensive skillset, with one huge difference being that Grant is actually an NBA athlete, and can get where he needs/wants to go with and without the ball in his hands.

Grant can score as much as his team needs him to, while still setting up his teammates very well, in addition to being able to guard both PGs and SGs at a very high level, with the ability to switch onto SFs with ease.

Sure, Grant is 22 years old, but Russell will never ever ever be the athlete that Grant is, no matter how many beauty makeovers he does per week, or how much time he spends in the weight room.

The idea that Russell had more superstar potential than anybody else in the draft was presented by math nerds who lack the subtle eye required to distinguish a black guy with no athleticism vs a black guy with good athleticism.

To some people, being black just means that if you don’t have Westbrook athleticism then you must at least have Harden athleticism, even if the guy hasn’t dunked since high school and could barely do that.

Even Byron Scott couldn’t see the difference, and still can’t, so I’m not calling out just white people.

Laker’s rebuild could have been over.

Clarkson, RJ Hunter, Kobe, Porzingis, Hibbert

With Randle being a good back up scorer, which he is destined to become on the first good team he plays for.

Or they could have just drafted Jerian Grant at #2, or even Terry Rozier.

 Jerian Grant is already playing a major role on a dramatic improvement by the Knicks. He does it by being a complete defensive player, and a complete offensive player as well. D-Russell is actually pretty similar to Grant as far as offensive skillset, with one huge difference being that Grant is actually an NBA athlete, and can get where he needs/wants to go with and without the ball in his hands.

Grant can score as much as his team needs him to, while still setting up his teammates very well, in addition to being able to guard both PGs and SGs at a very high level, with the ability to switch onto SFs with ease.

Sure, Grant is 22 years old, but Russell will never ever ever be the athlete that Grant is, no matter how many beauty makeovers he does per week, or how much time he spends in the weight room.

The idea that Russell had more superstar potential than anybody else in the draft was presented by math nerds who lack the subtle eye required to distinguish a black guy with no athleticism vs a black guy with good athleticism.

To some people, being black just means that if you don’t have Westbrook athleticism then you must at least have Harden athleticism, even if the guy hasn’t dunked since high school and could barely do that.

Even Byron Scott couldn’t see the difference, and still can’t, so I’m not calling out just white people.

Laker’s rebuild could have been over.

Clarkson, RJ Hunter, Kobe, Porzingis, Hibbert

With Randle being a good back up scorer, which he is destined to become on the first good team he plays for.

Or they could have just drafted Jerian Grant at #2, or even Terry Rozier.

 the offense – make the team his – like an old time point guard who is like a coach on the floor… Mudiay is going to be a very good to great player just on raw ability & I think Russell can flourish as well but not in the same way… I don;t understand why the Lakers took such a gamble as the #2 pick if they did not intend to commit to the kid 100%

 the offense – make the team his – like an old time point guard who is like a coach on the floor… Mudiay is going to be a very good to great player just on raw ability & I think Russell can flourish as well but not in the same way… I don;t understand why the Lakers took such a gamble as the #2 pick if they did not intend to commit to the kid 100%

 their stat lines from last night

mudiay: 31 minutes…3-13fg…12pts…10ast…6to’s

russell: 20 minutes…3-11fg…7pts…6ast…1to

basically it was a toss up stat wise. Mudiay has much more of a green light and aggressive attitude. Russell is is more passive. But he is also a better shooter and reads the court more. Even one of mudiays made shots was a bank in 3 pointer that looked ugly. As for long term, i would say toss up. Mudiay has the athleticism and speed while russell is more skilled. Hopefully as the lakers progress russell increases his assertiveness. 

 their stat lines from last night

mudiay: 31 minutes…3-13fg…12pts…10ast…6to’s

russell: 20 minutes…3-11fg…7pts…6ast…1to

basically it was a toss up stat wise. Mudiay has much more of a green light and aggressive attitude. Russell is is more passive. But he is also a better shooter and reads the court more. Even one of mudiays made shots was a bank in 3 pointer that looked ugly. As for long term, i would say toss up. Mudiay has the athleticism and speed while russell is more skilled. Hopefully as the lakers progress russell increases his assertiveness. 

 Kendall Marshall is like a coach on the floor too. And a quicker athlete than Russell. Jeremy Lin looks like Westbrook compared to Russell. And Clarkson looks like a cartoon super hero.

 Kendall Marshall is like a coach on the floor too. And a quicker athlete than Russell. Jeremy Lin looks like Westbrook compared to Russell. And Clarkson looks like a cartoon super hero.

 Man some of the trash talk in this thread is killer.

Slapping the pud…im stealing that. 

 Man some of the trash talk in this thread is killer.

Slapping the pud…im stealing that.