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- Posted on: Fri, 10/30/2015 - 1:55pm #61751
DolanCareParticipantI’ve lived in New Orleans for sometime now and while I will always be a Knick fan, I follow the Pelicans with intense passion. With Anthony Davis, an inspired Eric Gordon and Gentry at the helm, it’s not hard to like them. SkalandJamal’s recent post brought up the prospect of shaking up their roster, something that I think is an interesting proposition.
The Pelicans are decimated with injuries right now. [In case you don’t know, Tyreke (a major iniator of their offense is out for an unclear amount of time. Starting point guard Jrue Holiday might as well be a 17 year veteran since he has a minute cap, with serious questions about his longevity. Norris Cole is hurt. Quincy Pondexter and Asik are also dealing with issues. Gordon is playing but health is always an issue for him].
You can never predict an injury plague like what New Orleans is experiencing, and with everyone healthy they are absolutely a playoff team. That said, this roster is far from perfect. It’s a wonky lineup with unclear roles and major redunacies. In my view, the Pelicans should consider trading one of their main players (not named A. Davis). Free up their bad cap situation, and perhaps ending up with a cleaner fit of players even though less talented. Even if this team is able to be 100% healthy in a couple weeks, they won’t make the playoffs in the WC if they are 3-10 once that happens.
I’m not proposing any trade ideas, but I do think that even important pieces like Tyreke Evans should be shopped if they are able to get back possible picks (which this team has none of), healthy players and the cap space. I think Evans would be an intriguing option for Dallas, let’s say, and NOLA gets Devin Harris, Pachulia and a second rounder in return.
What does the forum think? Should NOLA roll with this squad of players and see if they can ride out the injuries? Or should they take this crisis and make it into an opporutnity to shape up a new roster that gives them more flexibilty?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 12:42am #1021217
Chilbert arenasParticipantIt’s early but my preseason prediction had the Pelicans falling out of the playoffs. AD can only do so much. Even if healthy I hate the way this team is constructed. If they can get rid of Reke, Asik, or Gordon they should
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 12:42am #1021359
Chilbert arenasParticipantIt’s early but my preseason prediction had the Pelicans falling out of the playoffs. AD can only do so much. Even if healthy I hate the way this team is constructed. If they can get rid of Reke, Asik, or Gordon they should
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 1:35am #1021219
ChicagoCaseyParticipantDo they have the players to trade? And who in the trade market can the Pelicans get?
The players that I hear that are on the trade block or players that are on the back end on their contract are:
- Harrison Barnes – I’m not saying that the Warriors will trade him or look to trade him, but smart money is that the Warriors will be in the Kevin Durant sweepstakes and will need all the cap that they can get. Barnes wants a huge deal and I do not believe the Warriors will want to pay him given the fact that the can get Kevin Durant in the summer. Barnes is familiar with the the system that Alvin Gentry runs as well.
- Kevin Martin – The Timberwolves will probably want to move his contract due to the fact that they will want to play their younger core. Kevin Martin is a great shooter and can fill a Klay Thompson-esque role for that system
- Joakim Noah/Taj Gibson – The Bulls might want to get younger and try to get rookie Bobby Portis into their deep front court rotation, Taj Gibson been on the trading block for the past 2-3 years and with the addition Portis he might be on the move. If I’m the Pelicans I would try to trade for Noah. He’s a great passer and can really complement Anthony Davis very well. He can really fill that Andrew bogut role for Gentry.
- Evan Turner – He’s a really versatile player that can thrive in this system. The Celtics are filled with wings and perimeter players making Turner a odd man out. Think an Andre Iguodola role.
- Terrance Ross – Another wing shooter that system like this really needs.
I don’t believe the Pelicans have a really great chance in making these trades due to the injury history of these players on the Pelicans roster. I do still like the Pelicans to make the playoffs in the 6th-8th seed. They have Anthony Davis and they should get healthy for the stretch run of the season. Don’t overreact to the first quarter of the season because a lot of things can change and everyone not really in rhythem,
In the offseason I really believe that the Pelicans need to make a move and make a decision on to trade Tyreke Evans or Jrue Holliday. I do not believe that a perimeter of Jrue Holliday, Eric Gordon, and Tyreke Evans will create enough space and you can get a really solid player for Evans or Holliday.
But when healthy I can really like this roster if they go out with this line up: Jrue Holliday, Eric Gordon, Quincy Pondexter, Anthony Davis, and Omer Asik with Tyreke Evans and Ryan Anderson on the bench.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 1:35am #1021361
ChicagoCaseyParticipantDo they have the players to trade? And who in the trade market can the Pelicans get?
The players that I hear that are on the trade block or players that are on the back end on their contract are:
- Harrison Barnes – I’m not saying that the Warriors will trade him or look to trade him, but smart money is that the Warriors will be in the Kevin Durant sweepstakes and will need all the cap that they can get. Barnes wants a huge deal and I do not believe the Warriors will want to pay him given the fact that the can get Kevin Durant in the summer. Barnes is familiar with the the system that Alvin Gentry runs as well.
- Kevin Martin – The Timberwolves will probably want to move his contract due to the fact that they will want to play their younger core. Kevin Martin is a great shooter and can fill a Klay Thompson-esque role for that system
- Joakim Noah/Taj Gibson – The Bulls might want to get younger and try to get rookie Bobby Portis into their deep front court rotation, Taj Gibson been on the trading block for the past 2-3 years and with the addition Portis he might be on the move. If I’m the Pelicans I would try to trade for Noah. He’s a great passer and can really complement Anthony Davis very well. He can really fill that Andrew bogut role for Gentry.
- Evan Turner – He’s a really versatile player that can thrive in this system. The Celtics are filled with wings and perimeter players making Turner a odd man out. Think an Andre Iguodola role.
- Terrance Ross – Another wing shooter that system like this really needs.
I don’t believe the Pelicans have a really great chance in making these trades due to the injury history of these players on the Pelicans roster. I do still like the Pelicans to make the playoffs in the 6th-8th seed. They have Anthony Davis and they should get healthy for the stretch run of the season. Don’t overreact to the first quarter of the season because a lot of things can change and everyone not really in rhythem,
In the offseason I really believe that the Pelicans need to make a move and make a decision on to trade Tyreke Evans or Jrue Holliday. I do not believe that a perimeter of Jrue Holliday, Eric Gordon, and Tyreke Evans will create enough space and you can get a really solid player for Evans or Holliday.
But when healthy I can really like this roster if they go out with this line up: Jrue Holliday, Eric Gordon, Quincy Pondexter, Anthony Davis, and Omer Asik with Tyreke Evans and Ryan Anderson on the bench.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 4:13am #1021237
SkalAndJamalParticipantEric Gordon for Avery Bradley or something like that. They need a perimeter defender. Boston needs scoring so they might consider it.
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 4:33am #1021241
SkalAndJamalParticipantTaj Gibson and Noah are on the market too, would be great for some big men depth.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 4:33am #1021383
SkalAndJamalParticipantTaj Gibson and Noah are on the market too, would be great for some big men depth.
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- Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 4:13am #1021379
SkalAndJamalParticipantEric Gordon for Avery Bradley or something like that. They need a perimeter defender. Boston needs scoring so they might consider it.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 5:00am #1021243
SkalAndJamalParticipantSorry im going on my T-Rex moment and going for a 3rd straight post but what if…
Eric Gordon for Avery Bradley… Boston needs scoring, N.O. fills in a hole on the perimeter.
Jrue Holiday for Taj Gibson and picks… More guard depth and Jrue can fit in Hoiberg’s offensive system, opens things up for Portis and Bairstow, Pelicans get more big men depth.
Ryan Anderson and draft picks for Khris Middleton… This obviously a stretch but maybe JKidd falls in love with his Cal guy, realizes front shooting is an issue and maybe Vaughn starts to play well which gives Kidd confidence to play the young gun more. N.O. gets shooting and defense.
new Pelicans rotation
C| Omer Asik
F| Anthony Davis
F| Khris Middleton
G| Avery Bradley
G| Tyreke Evans
bench
Taj Gibson
Quincy Pondexter
Norris Cole/Ish Smith
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 10:03am #1021273
ZachAttackParticipantWhere would Jrue Holiday fit in the Bulls system?
He, like Derrick Rose, gets injured ALL the time. Chances are, they’d be injured at the same time. You can’t rely on either of those guys. Then you’d still have to start Kirk Hinrich or Aaron Brooks. Come to think of it, they have PLENTY of guard depth.
Why would Chicago do that?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 10:03am #1021414
ZachAttackParticipantWhere would Jrue Holiday fit in the Bulls system?
He, like Derrick Rose, gets injured ALL the time. Chances are, they’d be injured at the same time. You can’t rely on either of those guys. Then you’d still have to start Kirk Hinrich or Aaron Brooks. Come to think of it, they have PLENTY of guard depth.
Why would Chicago do that?
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- Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 5:00am #1021385
SkalAndJamalParticipantSorry im going on my T-Rex moment and going for a 3rd straight post but what if…
Eric Gordon for Avery Bradley… Boston needs scoring, N.O. fills in a hole on the perimeter.
Jrue Holiday for Taj Gibson and picks… More guard depth and Jrue can fit in Hoiberg’s offensive system, opens things up for Portis and Bairstow, Pelicans get more big men depth.
Ryan Anderson and draft picks for Khris Middleton… This obviously a stretch but maybe JKidd falls in love with his Cal guy, realizes front shooting is an issue and maybe Vaughn starts to play well which gives Kidd confidence to play the young gun more. N.O. gets shooting and defense.
new Pelicans rotation
C| Omer Asik
F| Anthony Davis
F| Khris Middleton
G| Avery Bradley
G| Tyreke Evans
bench
Taj Gibson
Quincy Pondexter
Norris Cole/Ish Smith
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 12:52pm #1021289
tuck243ParticipantI doubt anyone would touch Eric Gordon without a pick (or few) with him. Too injury prone and he’s not that good anymore. Jrue Holiday hasn’t been himself since the Sixers, plus he’s injured, why trade for him? Asik the same way…
The Pelicans won’t be able to get anything of substance for these players outside of Tyreke, but he’s injured too. Unless a team is just not willing to keep a certain player, I doubt they would make a move for the players on the Pelicans roster. Celtics and Bulls won’t do it…
The Pelicans have to sit tight and wait for guys to get healthy. Once they do that, trade them…
To be quite honest, Tyreke isn’t the player I would want for my starting PG, SG, or SF… He’s unable to stretch the floor still and need the ball in his hands to do work. I’ve always felt that he was a great 6th man, but with Jrue & Eric not playing up to par, you HAVE to start him… It throws off this teams chemistry big time. They’re not able to keep Tyreke because of this. He’s the only one with trade value IMO…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 12:52pm #1021430
tuck243ParticipantI doubt anyone would touch Eric Gordon without a pick (or few) with him. Too injury prone and he’s not that good anymore. Jrue Holiday hasn’t been himself since the Sixers, plus he’s injured, why trade for him? Asik the same way…
The Pelicans won’t be able to get anything of substance for these players outside of Tyreke, but he’s injured too. Unless a team is just not willing to keep a certain player, I doubt they would make a move for the players on the Pelicans roster. Celtics and Bulls won’t do it…
The Pelicans have to sit tight and wait for guys to get healthy. Once they do that, trade them…
To be quite honest, Tyreke isn’t the player I would want for my starting PG, SG, or SF… He’s unable to stretch the floor still and need the ball in his hands to do work. I’ve always felt that he was a great 6th man, but with Jrue & Eric not playing up to par, you HAVE to start him… It throws off this teams chemistry big time. They’re not able to keep Tyreke because of this. He’s the only one with trade value IMO…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 3:22pm #1021295
ph90702I’ve watched parts of both Pelicans vs. Warriors, and they are not making an effort to get Anthony Davis good shots. Also, the team around him doesn’t look to be that good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 3:22pm #1021436
ph90702I’ve watched parts of both Pelicans vs. Warriors, and they are not making an effort to get Anthony Davis good shots. Also, the team around him doesn’t look to be that good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 4:31pm #1021446
PulseGlazerParticipantThe trade for Jrue set them back years.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 4:31pm #1021305
PulseGlazerParticipantThe trade for Jrue set them back years.
0- Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 10:25pm #1021476
NBAjunkie81Participant#6 overall pick & then Elfrid Payton in 2014…. I realize Gobert & "Greek Freak" are "Hindsight" but Noel was going #1 if he was healthy… Holiday ended up hurt anyway… How good would New Orleans’ future look w/ Payton at pg, Davis at PF & Noel at C – ???
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/31/2015 - 10:25pm #1021334
NBAjunkie81Participant#6 overall pick & then Elfrid Payton in 2014…. I realize Gobert & "Greek Freak" are "Hindsight" but Noel was going #1 if he was healthy… Holiday ended up hurt anyway… How good would New Orleans’ future look w/ Payton at pg, Davis at PF & Noel at C – ???
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- Posted on: Sun, 11/01/2015 - 12:15am #1021482
TRC1991ParticipantAnthony Davis, for how good he is, forces a lot of horrible shots and he’s always on the ground.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/01/2015 - 12:15am #1021340
TRC1991ParticipantAnthony Davis, for how good he is, forces a lot of horrible shots and he’s always on the ground.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/01/2015 - 6:28am #1021514
markfitz14ParticipantThis won’t be the year they have a chance to win it all anyway. Evans proved to be a force last year. He can thrive with Davis. I definetely didnt like the Asik signing. They can pick up some vets eventually in Free agency that will want to play with AD. They just need to make sure its a solid player. If they could get turner for cheap from Boston since they barely use him with Crowder starting I would say do it for sure. Id give a second rounder for Turner. Other wise Boston wil just let him leave in FA at the end of the season anyway and they can get him then.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 11/01/2015 - 6:28am #1021373
markfitz14ParticipantThis won’t be the year they have a chance to win it all anyway. Evans proved to be a force last year. He can thrive with Davis. I definetely didnt like the Asik signing. They can pick up some vets eventually in Free agency that will want to play with AD. They just need to make sure its a solid player. If they could get turner for cheap from Boston since they barely use him with Crowder starting I would say do it for sure. Id give a second rounder for Turner. Other wise Boston wil just let him leave in FA at the end of the season anyway and they can get him then.
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