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- Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 4:54pm #61000
rich.homie.mitchParticipantWhat does everyone think of D’Angelo Russell
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 4:59pm #1002015
T RexKendall Marshall with a slightly better shot.
I guess the Lakers needed more Kendall in their lives. D’Kendallo
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 4:59pm #1001872
T RexKendall Marshall with a slightly better shot.
I guess the Lakers needed more Kendall in their lives. D’Kendallo
0- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 2:47am #1002109
druneave3ParticipantI don’t think you are too far off, plus Marshall doesn’t force passes trying to make the spectacular play.
At least the Lakers will have top picks for the next few years. They can’t afford to miss like they did with Randle and Russell.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 2:47am #1001966
druneave3ParticipantI don’t think you are too far off, plus Marshall doesn’t force passes trying to make the spectacular play.
At least the Lakers will have top picks for the next few years. They can’t afford to miss like they did with Randle and Russell.
0- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 7:18am #1001996
220ParticipantIt’s way too early to say they missed with Randle or Russell seeing as combined they’ve only played in one NBA game. I get not being impressed right now and being concerned with Russell’s lack of athleticism, but summer league can be deceptive. I’ve seen more than a fair share of guys who were summer league duds and NBA studs and vice versa.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 7:18am #1002139
220ParticipantIt’s way too early to say they missed with Randle or Russell seeing as combined they’ve only played in one NBA game. I get not being impressed right now and being concerned with Russell’s lack of athleticism, but summer league can be deceptive. I’ve seen more than a fair share of guys who were summer league duds and NBA studs and vice versa.
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 5:04pm #1002017
herceg_bukuParticipantsame thing that i thought in the begining, over hyped. If you look at his measurements, and i mean true measurements, not what he is advertised as, you can tell from there that there might be some issues. For a combo guard that he truly is because he is nor a true PG or SG, he is too small. While he may be athletic, his game never stood out to me as a top 5 draft pick, especially not by LA Lakers.
Now lets not jump to conclusions i am not hating on him, just saying what i see. Summer league as well doesnt mean anything but it gives u some idea. I am a big laker fan and i wanna see KObe get one more ring before retirement (unrealistic), so i wanted them to draft Okafor or Mudiay, two players who i thought were the most NBA ready and all star material in teh future.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 5:04pm #1001874
herceg_bukuParticipantsame thing that i thought in the begining, over hyped. If you look at his measurements, and i mean true measurements, not what he is advertised as, you can tell from there that there might be some issues. For a combo guard that he truly is because he is nor a true PG or SG, he is too small. While he may be athletic, his game never stood out to me as a top 5 draft pick, especially not by LA Lakers.
Now lets not jump to conclusions i am not hating on him, just saying what i see. Summer league as well doesnt mean anything but it gives u some idea. I am a big laker fan and i wanna see KObe get one more ring before retirement (unrealistic), so i wanted them to draft Okafor or Mudiay, two players who i thought were the most NBA ready and all star material in teh future.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 5:21pm #1002019
alex23ParticipantNo one should make any judgements until after the regular season is over. The summer league is misleading and take into account that a real system wasn’t implemented, De’Angelo will be fine when he plays a more organized type of game and adjusts to the speed and change of pace in the game. Derrick Rose had a terrible sl going into his rookie year while Beasely was dominant, this has been said many times in the past but as normal, people are always too quick to judge a basketball player.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 5:21pm #1001876
alex23ParticipantNo one should make any judgements until after the regular season is over. The summer league is misleading and take into account that a real system wasn’t implemented, De’Angelo will be fine when he plays a more organized type of game and adjusts to the speed and change of pace in the game. Derrick Rose had a terrible sl going into his rookie year while Beasely was dominant, this has been said many times in the past but as normal, people are always too quick to judge a basketball player.
0- Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 5:25pm #1002021
Rip255Too bad…Im making a judgement before the season is over despite your advice.
And I’m judging him as Over-rated. Id be willing to bet Mudiay is a better choice if they wanted a guard.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 5:25pm #1001878
Rip255Too bad…Im making a judgement before the season is over despite your advice.
And I’m judging him as Over-rated. Id be willing to bet Mudiay is a better choice if they wanted a guard.
0- Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 5:32pm #1002023
alex23ParticipantI like Mudiay too and I can see why someone would say he will have a better career, but coming in and saying De’Angelo won’t have a good career because of a bad summer league is rather impatient. That is all I was trying to state.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 5:32pm #1001880
alex23ParticipantI like Mudiay too and I can see why someone would say he will have a better career, but coming in and saying De’Angelo won’t have a good career because of a bad summer league is rather impatient. That is all I was trying to state.
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 6:17pm #1002029
gthaoParticipantSummer league or not never a fan of Russell. Streaky shooter, not a true PG, ball handling is average, below avg for PG and an ok passer. He makes one above average pass a game and people rave about it, he just "street balls" the pass to look cool but really the pass is above average. He had ONE assist his last game and the games before he’s average maybe 3 a game?
Guessing: 7 thumbs down for this comment lol
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 6:17pm #1001886
gthaoParticipantSummer league or not never a fan of Russell. Streaky shooter, not a true PG, ball handling is average, below avg for PG and an ok passer. He makes one above average pass a game and people rave about it, he just "street balls" the pass to look cool but really the pass is above average. He had ONE assist his last game and the games before he’s average maybe 3 a game?
Guessing: 7 thumbs down for this comment lol
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 6:36pm #1002031
festar35ParticipantI think he will be a decent guard in the NBA, but here is the thing I think him and Clarkson will be on the same level throughout their careers.
Russell to me will be a 16-17ppg, 3-4rpg and 6-7apg at the top of his career, I don’t think him as a Superstar will pan out he will be a very nice PG and his ability to develop into a leader will determine his success not his numbers. Brandon Knight would be a nice comparison with an ability to play PG/SG and I don’t think that is the career of a #2 pick, but still lottery talent.
The big thing is I believe Mudiay and Okafor will both be better players when all said and done. I think those two will be the pick of the draft class.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 6:36pm #1001888
festar35ParticipantI think he will be a decent guard in the NBA, but here is the thing I think him and Clarkson will be on the same level throughout their careers.
Russell to me will be a 16-17ppg, 3-4rpg and 6-7apg at the top of his career, I don’t think him as a Superstar will pan out he will be a very nice PG and his ability to develop into a leader will determine his success not his numbers. Brandon Knight would be a nice comparison with an ability to play PG/SG and I don’t think that is the career of a #2 pick, but still lottery talent.
The big thing is I believe Mudiay and Okafor will both be better players when all said and done. I think those two will be the pick of the draft class.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 6:47pm #1002033
BiggysmallsParticipantWhy would any opinions of him be different at this point? He had a difficult summer league. Doesn’t mean he’s any worse as a prospect. He’ll be fine. Thats the world we live in now, summer league games are being analyzed as if they are playoff games.
Being great in summer league doesn’t mean a guy is going to be great. It also doesn’t mean they aren’t going to be great. Same goes for struggling.
I’m guessing in an NBA redraft…there’d be very few changes based on a weeks worth of summer league games.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 6:47pm #1001890
BiggysmallsParticipantWhy would any opinions of him be different at this point? He had a difficult summer league. Doesn’t mean he’s any worse as a prospect. He’ll be fine. Thats the world we live in now, summer league games are being analyzed as if they are playoff games.
Being great in summer league doesn’t mean a guy is going to be great. It also doesn’t mean they aren’t going to be great. Same goes for struggling.
I’m guessing in an NBA redraft…there’d be very few changes based on a weeks worth of summer league games.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 7:13pm #1002041
Magic JordanParticipantIt’s funny, prior to the draft you couldn’t find hardly anybody who would say Mudiay was a better prospect over Russell, a few summer league games in and its a 180. I am not quite sure why? Maybe I didn’t watch enough Nugs game but Mudiay wasn’t exactly filling it up. He also had the ball in his hands for the majority of the game.
Josh Selby, Jared Bayless just a few guards to absolutely light it up at SL…..
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 7:13pm #1001898
Magic JordanParticipantIt’s funny, prior to the draft you couldn’t find hardly anybody who would say Mudiay was a better prospect over Russell, a few summer league games in and its a 180. I am not quite sure why? Maybe I didn’t watch enough Nugs game but Mudiay wasn’t exactly filling it up. He also had the ball in his hands for the majority of the game.
Josh Selby, Jared Bayless just a few guards to absolutely light it up at SL…..
0- Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 7:30pm #1002045
ChicagoCaseyParticipantI always was on the bandwagon that Mudiay was the best gaurd in the draft and he was the second best player, behind Jahlil Okafor. It’s not about the stats that people leaning towards the Mudiay bandwagon, it’s how they actually look and what they were actually do in the summer league.
For instance, Russell had the inability to get into the paint and he had the inability to create open looks for himself. Mudiay got into the paint at will and shown the ability to create for others when he was in the paint.
I”m not saying Russell will be bad and that Mudiay will be better. But I will say that Russell has not dominate or take over a game like other top players from this draft.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 7:30pm #1001902
ChicagoCaseyParticipantI always was on the bandwagon that Mudiay was the best gaurd in the draft and he was the second best player, behind Jahlil Okafor. It’s not about the stats that people leaning towards the Mudiay bandwagon, it’s how they actually look and what they were actually do in the summer league.
For instance, Russell had the inability to get into the paint and he had the inability to create open looks for himself. Mudiay got into the paint at will and shown the ability to create for others when he was in the paint.
I”m not saying Russell will be bad and that Mudiay will be better. But I will say that Russell has not dominate or take over a game like other top players from this draft.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:45pm #1002073
Robb_CParticipantLmao go back to my post and I said Mudiay was better than Russell and I was negged hard lol
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:45pm #1001930
Robb_CParticipantLmao go back to my post and I said Mudiay was better than Russell and I was negged hard lol
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 8:10am #1002014
T RexAnd then there was me, low on both of them but slightly higher on Mudiay because he at least has solid athleticism for a SG and can be a solid combo guard like Tyreke Evans.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 8:10am #1002157
T RexAnd then there was me, low on both of them but slightly higher on Mudiay because he at least has solid athleticism for a SG and can be a solid combo guard like Tyreke Evans.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/29/2015 - 7:46pm #1004399
NBAjunkie81ParticipantMudiay over Russell…" Really??? Most sites put out a mock draft for the next year 1 month after the Draft & this time last year the # 1 prospect was Jahlil Okafor & the # 2 prospect was Emmanuel Mudiay… D’Angelo Russell was NOT ranked in the Top 60…. Now these Mock Drafts are not 10 correct obviously but when the NCAA Men’s Basketball season began last October NO ONE ranked Russell over Mudiay – in fact, Russell was Not thought of by anyone to be a "one season & done" college player… Positional Talent goes in Cycles & b/cwe’ve seen So many great guards enter the Draft early in recent memory there is a Flood of great guards at the Pro Level but a famine of Great guards at the College Level… Just like Okafor, Mudiay was a High School Phenom & he was the "It" guard for the 2015 season but when he went to China he was "out of sight, out of mind.." Still Networks like ESPN have designated the slow time period after the Finals as "NBA Draft" Time for programming & it draws great ratings… They have to promote talent & get people excited but this year Everyone Scout in the World said Okafor & Towns are by Far the Top Two Talents… Mudiay b/c he was in China was like the invisibale man. SO what do you think they will do tell the truth & say the Top guard prospect is in China & we don’t have much info on him or Create a story that this unranked combo guard came out of Nowhere & dazzled scouts w/ his abilities! Which story makes for better ratings??? I actually feel bad for Russell b/c if he were picked a little further back he could develop quietly but now he’s going to be compared to Okafor which isn;t fair b/c he’s No where Near the player Okafor is & he has No where NEar the skill set that Mudiay possesses either… I watched Jeff Goodman on ESPN pump up Russell & purposely leave out the numerous shortcomings scouts listed & then attempt tio create a shortcoming in Mudiay’s game. For example, he claimed scouts worry that 18 y/o Mudiay might be too young to run an NBA team’s Offense – no kidding? he’s 18 they say that about Every young guard… He was clearly trying to skew the debate to favor Russell… Approximately One week later I watched him on ESPN 2 in a round table discussion about the Lakers taking Russell over Okafor contradict himself" "Russell could be a nice player along the lines of maybe Mike Conley but NO scouts I talked to think this kid can be a Superstar Level guard in the NBA, he just does NOT possess that skill set, but Okafor is a Stud…." That’s the SAME guy – One week apart… I’m a Draft – nick, every year I follow the Top prospects – it’s obviously tougher for the foreign players… But when Russell’s name started getting traction I watched Several games he played at Ohio St & I just do Not see an NBA level talent – forget Star… He’s NO where Close to Steph Curry who avg 30 & shot 50% in college & has the quickest shot release I’ve ever seen… Everything Russell does is in Slow motion – even in a terrible conference like the Big Ten.. He’s an avg scorer 14 pts a game, an avg shooter 44%, he can’t defend Anyone, he has No 1st step so he can’t create his own shot & he played at Less than 180 lbs in college & he measured 6′ 3.25” at the Draft Combine – he doesn;t have great size or length to offset his Althleticism Deficit… Mudiay is Big, he’s got an incredibly quick 1st step & he can beat his man off the dribble to create his own shot, go to the Rim or dish to a teammate when the double team rotates. He is a Lockdown Defender… And for people saying the SL doesn’t mean anything, we usually say that b/c the Top talent is killing the opposition & it’s meant in the context of "Slow Down" hyping this guy… W/ Russell – & I can;t to beat on the kid – but honestly if none of the Lakers were wearing names on their Jerseys wouldn’t Everyone have thought that Clarkson was ther prize # 2 pick??? SL players had NO problem keeping Russell in front of them & they Blew by him on Defense… W/ Mudiay even when his shot wasn’t falling & he was making some bad decisions, he still looked like a Mna playing w/ Boys – Okafor had the same Vibe – like he was bored & if he locked in he’d put up 40 points like it was nothing… Russell hardly Ever played a NBA level talent in college, but in his last game against Arizona in the Tourney Hollis-Jefferson Locked him down – totally handcuffed him… Russell will see that Level of athleticism in the NBA EVERY night…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/29/2015 - 7:46pm #1004539
NBAjunkie81ParticipantMudiay over Russell…" Really??? Most sites put out a mock draft for the next year 1 month after the Draft & this time last year the # 1 prospect was Jahlil Okafor & the # 2 prospect was Emmanuel Mudiay… D’Angelo Russell was NOT ranked in the Top 60…. Now these Mock Drafts are not 10 correct obviously but when the NCAA Men’s Basketball season began last October NO ONE ranked Russell over Mudiay – in fact, Russell was Not thought of by anyone to be a "one season & done" college player… Positional Talent goes in Cycles & b/cwe’ve seen So many great guards enter the Draft early in recent memory there is a Flood of great guards at the Pro Level but a famine of Great guards at the College Level… Just like Okafor, Mudiay was a High School Phenom & he was the "It" guard for the 2015 season but when he went to China he was "out of sight, out of mind.." Still Networks like ESPN have designated the slow time period after the Finals as "NBA Draft" Time for programming & it draws great ratings… They have to promote talent & get people excited but this year Everyone Scout in the World said Okafor & Towns are by Far the Top Two Talents… Mudiay b/c he was in China was like the invisibale man. SO what do you think they will do tell the truth & say the Top guard prospect is in China & we don’t have much info on him or Create a story that this unranked combo guard came out of Nowhere & dazzled scouts w/ his abilities! Which story makes for better ratings??? I actually feel bad for Russell b/c if he were picked a little further back he could develop quietly but now he’s going to be compared to Okafor which isn;t fair b/c he’s No where Near the player Okafor is & he has No where NEar the skill set that Mudiay possesses either… I watched Jeff Goodman on ESPN pump up Russell & purposely leave out the numerous shortcomings scouts listed & then attempt tio create a shortcoming in Mudiay’s game. For example, he claimed scouts worry that 18 y/o Mudiay might be too young to run an NBA team’s Offense – no kidding? he’s 18 they say that about Every young guard… He was clearly trying to skew the debate to favor Russell… Approximately One week later I watched him on ESPN 2 in a round table discussion about the Lakers taking Russell over Okafor contradict himself" "Russell could be a nice player along the lines of maybe Mike Conley but NO scouts I talked to think this kid can be a Superstar Level guard in the NBA, he just does NOT possess that skill set, but Okafor is a Stud…." That’s the SAME guy – One week apart… I’m a Draft – nick, every year I follow the Top prospects – it’s obviously tougher for the foreign players… But when Russell’s name started getting traction I watched Several games he played at Ohio St & I just do Not see an NBA level talent – forget Star… He’s NO where Close to Steph Curry who avg 30 & shot 50% in college & has the quickest shot release I’ve ever seen… Everything Russell does is in Slow motion – even in a terrible conference like the Big Ten.. He’s an avg scorer 14 pts a game, an avg shooter 44%, he can’t defend Anyone, he has No 1st step so he can’t create his own shot & he played at Less than 180 lbs in college & he measured 6′ 3.25” at the Draft Combine – he doesn;t have great size or length to offset his Althleticism Deficit… Mudiay is Big, he’s got an incredibly quick 1st step & he can beat his man off the dribble to create his own shot, go to the Rim or dish to a teammate when the double team rotates. He is a Lockdown Defender… And for people saying the SL doesn’t mean anything, we usually say that b/c the Top talent is killing the opposition & it’s meant in the context of "Slow Down" hyping this guy… W/ Russell – & I can;t to beat on the kid – but honestly if none of the Lakers were wearing names on their Jerseys wouldn’t Everyone have thought that Clarkson was ther prize # 2 pick??? SL players had NO problem keeping Russell in front of them & they Blew by him on Defense… W/ Mudiay even when his shot wasn’t falling & he was making some bad decisions, he still looked like a Mna playing w/ Boys – Okafor had the same Vibe – like he was bored & if he locked in he’d put up 40 points like it was nothing… Russell hardly Ever played a NBA level talent in college, but in his last game against Arizona in the Tourney Hollis-Jefferson Locked him down – totally handcuffed him… Russell will see that Level of athleticism in the NBA EVERY night…
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 7:16pm #1002043
ChicagoCaseyParticipantIt’s only summer league but he seems to be a great creative passer who believes he can make every pass (might can), struggle to get into the paint (couldn’t even get pass Kevin Pangos), and takes way too many contested jumpshots.
Like I said it’s only summer league and every thing can change, but I wasn’t impressed w/ him and alot of rookies stood out in the summer league. I don’t know if he can get to the paint in the NBA with his basic ball handling ablity. He will need to work on getting more creative with his handle to get to the paint because he looks slow.
He might need to be put in the right system and have a certain personnel around him to bbe successful. He might need to play with tons of shooters on the court at the same time and a offense filled w/ ball movement to be able to utlize his skills as a distributer and a scorer. Because he looks like a way less athletic James Harden, which is saying something. I heard a comparison too Evan Turner. I don’t know about that one though.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 7:16pm #1001900
ChicagoCaseyParticipantIt’s only summer league but he seems to be a great creative passer who believes he can make every pass (might can), struggle to get into the paint (couldn’t even get pass Kevin Pangos), and takes way too many contested jumpshots.
Like I said it’s only summer league and every thing can change, but I wasn’t impressed w/ him and alot of rookies stood out in the summer league. I don’t know if he can get to the paint in the NBA with his basic ball handling ablity. He will need to work on getting more creative with his handle to get to the paint because he looks slow.
He might need to be put in the right system and have a certain personnel around him to bbe successful. He might need to play with tons of shooters on the court at the same time and a offense filled w/ ball movement to be able to utlize his skills as a distributer and a scorer. Because he looks like a way less athletic James Harden, which is saying something. I heard a comparison too Evan Turner. I don’t know about that one though.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 8:25pm #1002049
TRC1991ParticipantSorta reminds me of Gilbert Arenas, where he doesn’t have a position, but he can really scare the opponent if he’s on
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 8:25pm #1001906
TRC1991ParticipantSorta reminds me of Gilbert Arenas, where he doesn’t have a position, but he can really scare the opponent if he’s on
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 8:32pm #1002055
OhCanada-ParticipantHe needs better players around so he can run the offence correctly.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 8:32pm #1001912
OhCanada-ParticipantHe needs better players around so he can run the offence correctly.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 9:17pm #1002057
King CaluchaParticipantI believe Russell is a great passer. I understimated him. He can really see the floor and while he might never be a superstar, I believe he can become a solid scorer while making his teammates better, but I’d give him at least 2 more seasons to be a decent contributor.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 9:17pm #1001914
King CaluchaParticipantI believe Russell is a great passer. I understimated him. He can really see the floor and while he might never be a superstar, I believe he can become a solid scorer while making his teammates better, but I’d give him at least 2 more seasons to be a decent contributor.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 9:26pm #1002061
RigelzParticipantIt’s early. He’s a guy with a very high ceiling but he has to put everything together and get used to the rythm of the NBA. I think he also needs to become a bit stronger. Anyway the talent is there, if he works hard i think he can be an all star in 2 – 3 years.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/18/2015 - 9:26pm #1001918
RigelzParticipantIt’s early. He’s a guy with a very high ceiling but he has to put everything together and get used to the rythm of the NBA. I think he also needs to become a bit stronger. Anyway the talent is there, if he works hard i think he can be an all star in 2 – 3 years.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:35am #1002089
Jr. ROXASParticipantMudiay has 8 points 1 assist in his last SL game it’s fine, Russel has 8 5 and 6 in his first game everybody loses their minds. I love both players, but I’m hating all these irrational fans calling Russel a bust after a solid summer league. Give the guy a break.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:35am #1001946
Jr. ROXASParticipantMudiay has 8 points 1 assist in his last SL game it’s fine, Russel has 8 5 and 6 in his first game everybody loses their minds. I love both players, but I’m hating all these irrational fans calling Russel a bust after a solid summer league. Give the guy a break.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:44am #1002091
sitlbitoParticipantI saw that he’s a very gifted passer. I think the fact that we may have never have a prospect lik this in recent years makes people suggest he’s a bust. All the comparisons I try to come up with,I iediatly thin they’re way off. Summer league isnt just about thet stats, Some guys just catch fire at the summer league but can’t play in the NBA because they’re chuckers. Russel missed a lot of shots and threw some terrific passes to guys who couldn’t handle them. So,at this point,we’ll see,I think nobody has any idea on this guy.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:44am #1001948
sitlbitoParticipantI saw that he’s a very gifted passer. I think the fact that we may have never have a prospect lik this in recent years makes people suggest he’s a bust. All the comparisons I try to come up with,I iediatly thin they’re way off. Summer league isnt just about thet stats, Some guys just catch fire at the summer league but can’t play in the NBA because they’re chuckers. Russel missed a lot of shots and threw some terrific passes to guys who couldn’t handle them. So,at this point,we’ll see,I think nobody has any idea on this guy.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 1:05am #1002093
MopgrassParticipantHe passes harder than normal people. A whole lot of his turn overs should’ve been caught. His teammates will have to adjust to that. They played with Kobe last year and forgot what a pass looks like. I thought his passing was great in summer league. He was a bit bumbly with the ball and he missed a whole lot of shots. His last game he shot a lot better and slowed down. The fact that he made adjustments are what makes me think he’ll turn things around. Last year, Clarkson kept making adjustments and that really worked out. 5 games was tiny sample size. I can’t say I know what he is yet. I never expect him to be a threat inside like Mudiay, but I never expect Mudiay to be a threat outside. If Mudiay or Russell get open near the basket, they’ll both make it. If they’re at the 3 point line only one will make it. They are really completely opposite type of PG’s. Frankly, I expect Clarkson to be more well-rounded than both of them. I’ll agree that Mudiay looks like a steal right now, but they’re already sagging off on him (last game?) and he had a whole lot of trouble when they did. I expect more of that. Russell won’t have those kind of problems, but I also expect Russell to remain streaky because he can’t get to the basket at will to make himself feel better when the jumper isn’t falling.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 1:05am #1001950
MopgrassParticipantHe passes harder than normal people. A whole lot of his turn overs should’ve been caught. His teammates will have to adjust to that. They played with Kobe last year and forgot what a pass looks like. I thought his passing was great in summer league. He was a bit bumbly with the ball and he missed a whole lot of shots. His last game he shot a lot better and slowed down. The fact that he made adjustments are what makes me think he’ll turn things around. Last year, Clarkson kept making adjustments and that really worked out. 5 games was tiny sample size. I can’t say I know what he is yet. I never expect him to be a threat inside like Mudiay, but I never expect Mudiay to be a threat outside. If Mudiay or Russell get open near the basket, they’ll both make it. If they’re at the 3 point line only one will make it. They are really completely opposite type of PG’s. Frankly, I expect Clarkson to be more well-rounded than both of them. I’ll agree that Mudiay looks like a steal right now, but they’re already sagging off on him (last game?) and he had a whole lot of trouble when they did. I expect more of that. Russell won’t have those kind of problems, but I also expect Russell to remain streaky because he can’t get to the basket at will to make himself feel better when the jumper isn’t falling.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 1:33am #1002095
froggyParticipantAnd I’m not talking only about his summer league. Won’t be able to get past top defenders in the NBA as a first offensive option.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 1:33am #1001952
froggyParticipantAnd I’m not talking only about his summer league. Won’t be able to get past top defenders in the NBA as a first offensive option.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 2:23am #1002103
Meditated StatesParticipantRussell should be ok, but lets be honest he is not explosive enough or crafty enough with the dribble to be as effective as Mudiay will be. It was a reach pick at 2 with Oak and a IQ athelete with pro experience like EM. Russell should be a solid pro once he adjust to nba 3 point line,quicker vuards,longer guards guarding him. He will play better being a 2nd or 3rd to another explosive player, or dominant big.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 2:23am #1001960
Meditated StatesParticipantRussell should be ok, but lets be honest he is not explosive enough or crafty enough with the dribble to be as effective as Mudiay will be. It was a reach pick at 2 with Oak and a IQ athelete with pro experience like EM. Russell should be a solid pro once he adjust to nba 3 point line,quicker vuards,longer guards guarding him. He will play better being a 2nd or 3rd to another explosive player, or dominant big.
0- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 8:17am #1002018
T RexLet’s be even more honest than that. If Russell had been white his lack of athleticism would have been fully understood before the draft. Almost everybody shrugged off his slow-mo JAG athleticism, and compared him to other "non-elite" athletes like Harden, forgeting that there’s a huge range of non-elite athletes, including non-athletes.
0- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 11:16am #1002046
T RexI’ll take RJ Hunter over Russell all day. Luckily for my Celtics, Hunter lost the genetic phenotype lottery.
Otherwise he’d be considered a non-elite athlete like Harden, rather than an unathletic sorta-white guy.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 11:16am #1002189
T RexI’ll take RJ Hunter over Russell all day. Luckily for my Celtics, Hunter lost the genetic phenotype lottery.
Otherwise he’d be considered a non-elite athlete like Harden, rather than an unathletic sorta-white guy.
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- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 8:17am #1002161
T RexLet’s be even more honest than that. If Russell had been white his lack of athleticism would have been fully understood before the draft. Almost everybody shrugged off his slow-mo JAG athleticism, and compared him to other "non-elite" athletes like Harden, forgeting that there’s a huge range of non-elite athletes, including non-athletes.
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- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 2:28am #1002107
Meditated StatesParticipantBetter than EM? Naw man. I doubt that. Clarkson is a good athelete. He is not a pg or a sniper man.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 2:28am #1001964
Meditated StatesParticipantBetter than EM? Naw man. I doubt that. Clarkson is a good athelete. He is not a pg or a sniper man.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 7:48am #1002006
BiggysmallsParticipantHow does Steph Curry get by good defenders? How does Harden get by defenders? How does Ginobili? How did Roy? Russell isn’t going to blow by people with great frequency but there aren’t a lot of guys in the NBA that do. Chris Paul gets a screen literally every play, most point guards get screens set for them non stop and very few NBA offenses utilitze a 1-4 set where its a straight isolation at the top of the key.
Russell will be fine. He’s going to get bigger, stronger, quicker and gain a better understanding of how to play against guys bigger/more athletic.
Gee I wonder where the Evan Turner comparison came from? Gosh, it can’t possibly be because they both played at the same college could it? People are so lazy.
0- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 7:54am #1002008
Pro-21ParticipantManu Ginobli was incredibly athletic, his body control, coordination and quickness were kobe esque at times. Curry and Harden are both deceptively quick and have a second gear. Russell has one gear from what i saw.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 7:54am #1002151
Pro-21ParticipantManu Ginobli was incredibly athletic, his body control, coordination and quickness were kobe esque at times. Curry and Harden are both deceptively quick and have a second gear. Russell has one gear from what i saw.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 8:38am #1002026
reanimatorParticipantCP3 and Harden are strong and slippery
Curry has a right hand the best pull up jumper from 3 in history
Roy operated from the post a lot
DLo= older Manu
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 8:38am #1002169
reanimatorParticipantCP3 and Harden are strong and slippery
Curry has a right hand the best pull up jumper from 3 in history
Roy operated from the post a lot
DLo= older Manu
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/29/2015 - 8:07pm #1004403
NBAjunkie81Participantfrom 2010 it’s Identical to Russell (He’s not a great athlete, he doesn’t have good quickness but he has a ‘Feel for the game’ that sets him apart.." Does that line sound familiar??? And Steph Curry has THE quickest release maybe in NBA History. Curry avg 30 pts a game & shot 50% in college, Russell shot 44% & avg 14 points & on top of that Curry may not be a "Freak" athlete but he’s an athlete.. Russell’s athleticism is Woeful… To compare Russell to Curry is a Serious insult to Curry – B/c he can shoot from 25 feet & in Curry completely stretched the Defense & creates spacing, Russell’s game is Nothing like that, he’s not a great shooter from 2pt OR 3pt range & he’s Nothing like Harden either who is great at drawing contact & getting to the free throw line AFTER getting by his man… Russell can’t get by ANYONE… I don’t want to pile on this kid but NO scouts rated Russell in the Top 60 when the NCAA Men’s basketball season began – in the AAU world we live in he wasn’t missed, he did Not fly under the Radar, Russell went to a Basketball Prep school / factory & NO ONE thought of him as an elite talent… That month between the Draft Lottery & the Draft – right after the Finals ends & people are starved for more Basketball has become like a Reality show… Scouts were Raving about Okafor & Mudiay since High School… I read scouting reports on Both players After the 2013 Draft… Russell is a Media creation, Trust your eyeballs, that summer league performace was who he is, an average player, average shooter, WAY below average athlete, below avg defender, Above average passer…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/29/2015 - 8:07pm #1004543
NBAjunkie81Participantfrom 2010 it’s Identical to Russell (He’s not a great athlete, he doesn’t have good quickness but he has a ‘Feel for the game’ that sets him apart.." Does that line sound familiar??? And Steph Curry has THE quickest release maybe in NBA History. Curry avg 30 pts a game & shot 50% in college, Russell shot 44% & avg 14 points & on top of that Curry may not be a "Freak" athlete but he’s an athlete.. Russell’s athleticism is Woeful… To compare Russell to Curry is a Serious insult to Curry – B/c he can shoot from 25 feet & in Curry completely stretched the Defense & creates spacing, Russell’s game is Nothing like that, he’s not a great shooter from 2pt OR 3pt range & he’s Nothing like Harden either who is great at drawing contact & getting to the free throw line AFTER getting by his man… Russell can’t get by ANYONE… I don’t want to pile on this kid but NO scouts rated Russell in the Top 60 when the NCAA Men’s basketball season began – in the AAU world we live in he wasn’t missed, he did Not fly under the Radar, Russell went to a Basketball Prep school / factory & NO ONE thought of him as an elite talent… That month between the Draft Lottery & the Draft – right after the Finals ends & people are starved for more Basketball has become like a Reality show… Scouts were Raving about Okafor & Mudiay since High School… I read scouting reports on Both players After the 2013 Draft… Russell is a Media creation, Trust your eyeballs, that summer league performace was who he is, an average player, average shooter, WAY below average athlete, below avg defender, Above average passer…
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- Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 7:48am #1002149
BiggysmallsParticipantHow does Steph Curry get by good defenders? How does Harden get by defenders? How does Ginobili? How did Roy? Russell isn’t going to blow by people with great frequency but there aren’t a lot of guys in the NBA that do. Chris Paul gets a screen literally every play, most point guards get screens set for them non stop and very few NBA offenses utilitze a 1-4 set where its a straight isolation at the top of the key.
Russell will be fine. He’s going to get bigger, stronger, quicker and gain a better understanding of how to play against guys bigger/more athletic.
Gee I wonder where the Evan Turner comparison came from? Gosh, it can’t possibly be because they both played at the same college could it? People are so lazy.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:26am #1002036
Memphis MadnessParticipantI thought a solid comparison was Brian Shaw.
Then I looked up Shaw’s best stats which were in his second year: 14 points, 7.5 assists, 4.5 boards, and I think 1 steal a game. Later on his career he was a really good 3 point shooter. So add another point to that stat line for 3 point shooting then another for getting to the line a bit more so you are at 16, 7.5, and 4.5. Bump up the minutes from 35 to 38 and that could be 17 points, 8 assists, 5 boards, and 1.5 steals a game which would be really good.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:26am #1002179
Memphis MadnessParticipantI thought a solid comparison was Brian Shaw.
Then I looked up Shaw’s best stats which were in his second year: 14 points, 7.5 assists, 4.5 boards, and I think 1 steal a game. Later on his career he was a really good 3 point shooter. So add another point to that stat line for 3 point shooting then another for getting to the line a bit more so you are at 16, 7.5, and 4.5. Bump up the minutes from 35 to 38 and that could be 17 points, 8 assists, 5 boards, and 1.5 steals a game which would be really good.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 11:33am #1002052
Meditated StatesParticipantRussell does not have a great 1st step. He should still be a solid pro but he does not have Hardens handle,or 1st step. He is not athletically on Hardens level. Steph Curry dead lifts 400 pounds. Russell is not the same athelete as them. I still expect him to be a streaky scorer who should focus on his mid range jumper,defense. If he cant defend ala James Young you cant play much. Hopefully the pressure does not get to him. He has all summer to work at it.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 11:33am #1002194
Meditated StatesParticipantRussell does not have a great 1st step. He should still be a solid pro but he does not have Hardens handle,or 1st step. He is not athletically on Hardens level. Steph Curry dead lifts 400 pounds. Russell is not the same athelete as them. I still expect him to be a streaky scorer who should focus on his mid range jumper,defense. If he cant defend ala James Young you cant play much. Hopefully the pressure does not get to him. He has all summer to work at it.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 7:07pm #1002266
sheltwon3ParticipantRussell is only 19 and he was trying to fit in with teammates. I think as he progress there is more to his game than we have seen. I believe he will be alright and come pre season, people will see a whole different player. Also about Randle, minutes were limited because he did a lot when he was in but could not get his rhythym
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 7:07pm #1002124
sheltwon3ParticipantRussell is only 19 and he was trying to fit in with teammates. I think as he progress there is more to his game than we have seen. I believe he will be alright and come pre season, people will see a whole different player. Also about Randle, minutes were limited because he did a lot when he was in but could not get his rhythym
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 8:02pm #1002274
rileymcshea3ParticipantStill think he will be the best player out of the draft
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/19/2015 - 8:02pm #1002132
rileymcshea3ParticipantStill think he will be the best player out of the draft
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/20/2015 - 4:50pm #1002321
IndianaBasketballParticipantI can’t understand the logic in judging a player based on summer league. Haven’t we seen this before? I can go down the list of players who played great and turned out to be terrible pros. Players he played poorly and turned out to be great pros.
I remember when Donte Green scored 40 in a summer league game. People thought he’d be a great pro. Remember Jerryd Bayless? He looked like he was going to be a stud. What about Anthony Randolph scoring 42 in a game and averaging 27… Sh*t even Anthony Morrow scored 47 and averaged 25 in summer league. Stephen Curry wasn’t impressive in summer league… I remember people on this site that were criticizing him harshly too saying he wouldn’t be able to get by guys off of the dribble -_-
People were criticizing Derrick Rose in summer league. People thought Beasley would be a stud after he scored 25 in his first game. I remember when Sam Young averaged 22 in summer league for the Pacers several years back lol. Kevin Durant went 5-17 his first game. I could go on and on.
Simply put… It doesn’t make sense to judge guys based on summer league.
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/29/2015 - 9:25pm #1004559
OhCanada-ParticipantHe has averaged 15-ppg, and 5-apg per 36 minutes throughout his career carving his role as a combo gaurd off the bench. He may not have lived up to his draft expectations and position but that was a while ago and it’s time to move on.
Anthony Morrow is one of the top 3 point specialists in the league and has shot a career 43% from the field. SL helped him launch a career after being undrafted.
Even Donte Greene played in 253 NBA games. Keep in mind most Summer Leaguers don’t even play a full season. Him and Randolph were extremely skilled and in SL your allowed to run wild most of the time. Their games didn’t translate to the NBA structure but their skills and talent were on full display which is the point of SL.
Now this doesn’t mean Russell is going to be a bad pro what I mean is SL is strictly for these players to showcase their ability in a competitive setting. Good game or bad game you can still see the player play in a game setting to get a feel for how you work use him in the pros and which skills and intangibles translate.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/29/2015 - 9:25pm #1004420
OhCanada-ParticipantHe has averaged 15-ppg, and 5-apg per 36 minutes throughout his career carving his role as a combo gaurd off the bench. He may not have lived up to his draft expectations and position but that was a while ago and it’s time to move on.
Anthony Morrow is one of the top 3 point specialists in the league and has shot a career 43% from the field. SL helped him launch a career after being undrafted.
Even Donte Greene played in 253 NBA games. Keep in mind most Summer Leaguers don’t even play a full season. Him and Randolph were extremely skilled and in SL your allowed to run wild most of the time. Their games didn’t translate to the NBA structure but their skills and talent were on full display which is the point of SL.
Now this doesn’t mean Russell is going to be a bad pro what I mean is SL is strictly for these players to showcase their ability in a competitive setting. Good game or bad game you can still see the player play in a game setting to get a feel for how you work use him in the pros and which skills and intangibles translate.
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/29/2015 - 9:51pm #1004561
OhCanada-ParticipantFirst gguy I be inwas talking bout is Jerryd Bayless who is a good pro NBA veteran. Accidentally deleted my first paragraph about Sam Young. He was a 4th year rotation player when he scored 22_ppg. He was a decent pro and I believe if given the opportunity to be in the pros he would given a limited role.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/29/2015 - 9:51pm #1004422
OhCanada-ParticipantFirst gguy I be inwas talking bout is Jerryd Bayless who is a good pro NBA veteran. Accidentally deleted my first paragraph about Sam Young. He was a 4th year rotation player when he scored 22_ppg. He was a decent pro and I believe if given the opportunity to be in the pros he would given a limited role.
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/20/2015 - 4:50pm #1002462
IndianaBasketballParticipantI can’t understand the logic in judging a player based on summer league. Haven’t we seen this before? I can go down the list of players who played great and turned out to be terrible pros. Players he played poorly and turned out to be great pros.
I remember when Donte Green scored 40 in a summer league game. People thought he’d be a great pro. Remember Jerryd Bayless? He looked like he was going to be a stud. What about Anthony Randolph scoring 42 in a game and averaging 27… Sh*t even Anthony Morrow scored 47 and averaged 25 in summer league. Stephen Curry wasn’t impressive in summer league… I remember people on this site that were criticizing him harshly too saying he wouldn’t be able to get by guys off of the dribble -_-
People were criticizing Derrick Rose in summer league. People thought Beasley would be a stud after he scored 25 in his first game. I remember when Sam Young averaged 22 in summer league for the Pacers several years back lol. Kevin Durant went 5-17 his first game. I could go on and on.
Simply put… It doesn’t make sense to judge guys based on summer league.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/20/2015 - 4:56pm #1002323
IndianaBasketballParticipantDouble Post, so I’ll add a couple more
Nikoloz Tskitishvilli scored 25 his first game too. Ain’t do ish in the league. Greg Ostertag had a very good summer league. Even outplayed Tim Duncan head to head.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/20/2015 - 4:56pm #1002464
IndianaBasketballParticipantDouble Post, so I’ll add a couple more
Nikoloz Tskitishvilli scored 25 his first game too. Ain’t do ish in the league. Greg Ostertag had a very good summer league. Even outplayed Tim Duncan head to head.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/29/2015 - 8:52am #1020929
T RexLet’s not be too hard on D’Kendallo. He’s only sucked for all of summer league, all of pre-season, and his first game of the regular season.
He did show some great burst for once. When Byron Scott benched his az, Russell was super fast to the bench.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/29/2015 - 8:52am #1021071
T RexLet’s not be too hard on D’Kendallo. He’s only sucked for all of summer league, all of pre-season, and his first game of the regular season.
He did show some great burst for once. When Byron Scott benched his az, Russell was super fast to the bench.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/11/2015 - 9:34pm #1024137
Ahkasi ClayParticipantif he had not been drafted by the much Hated Lakers, or had not jumped ahead of Okafor in the draft, most of us would not be so critical of him.
I see him having a similar career to
Antonio Daniels #4 pick 1997
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/11/2015 - 9:34pm #1023999
Ahkasi ClayParticipantif he had not been drafted by the much Hated Lakers, or had not jumped ahead of Okafor in the draft, most of us would not be so critical of him.
I see him having a similar career to
Antonio Daniels #4 pick 1997
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