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- Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 6:58am #59150
zcnumerounoParticipantThis article was posted just over a year ago, and I happened to stumble upon it. I found it to be pertinent to the state of the NBA today.
I have to agree with The Glove on this one — less and less defense is allowed in the NBA. In today’s game, teams shoot 30+ FTs a game – which prolongs the game – ticky-tacky fouls are the norm, hand-checking is illegal, and superstar players constantly get away with blatant travels.
I just miss the days where defensive stoppers, like Gary Payton, had the opportunity, within the rules, to take out the opposing team’s best offensive player. Nowadays, even if you do, that player still could score 25 points (because of the the fouls epidemic).
Call me a traditionalist or whatever, but I miss the days when the NBA was physical, chippy, and tough.
Thoughts?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 7:03am #967230
zcnumerounoParticipanthangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/01/14/payton-not-impressed-with-todays-nba/
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 7:03am #967377
zcnumerounoParticipanthangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/01/14/payton-not-impressed-with-todays-nba/
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 7:33am #967232
hoopscopParticipantIt is like listening to Charles Oakley, absolutely bs, the game was never better officiated, free throws are constantly on the decline, physical play was dirty play, it has nothing to do with skills. Payton was a great player, but he is only a frustrated ex-guy.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 7:33am #967379
hoopscopParticipantIt is like listening to Charles Oakley, absolutely bs, the game was never better officiated, free throws are constantly on the decline, physical play was dirty play, it has nothing to do with skills. Payton was a great player, but he is only a frustrated ex-guy.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 7:53am #967238
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantRespectfully disagree with the glove on this one. I’d much rather watch faster paced games with higher skill level, better ball movement and more freedom of movement than slow, grind it out bully ball like most teams played in the 90s.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 9:53am #967245
ConsiderableUpsideParticipantI have to challenge your implication that the skill level of the league was lower in the 90’s. I mean, was there not great individual talent in that era? A faster game doesn’t mean better basketball is being played. To me having a highly competitive and physical league is a good thing. You cannot tell me the competitive atmosphere now is at the same level of the 80’s and 90’s…
Maybe I’m just too nostalgic, but I remember better team basketball being played overall mid 80’s and 90’s. Teams were more patient with their coaches and players, guys had more of a chance to play together and develop. Sure players bounced around, but a team’s core was given more of a chance to succeed than in today’s NBA in my opinion.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 4:58pm #967454
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantIts a matter of personal preference and I respect your opinion. I do agree with your point that teams kept their core players together longer in the 90s, which made for better and probably more competitive overall rivalries than you see today. I’m also not saying that their weren’t great individual players in the 90s. Hell, the greatest player ever played in the era. What I’m saying is that I prefer the overall style of play that the best teams play today, with more emphasis on spacing and ball movement and dribble penetration, than the more isolation heavy and pound the post offensive schemes that were popular in that era. To me, watching a Warriors-Spurs series today, is much more appealing as a basketball fan, than watching a Knicks-Heat slugfest from the 90s. If you disagree, that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it.
To me, the rule changes allowing more freedom of movement and the foreign influx of talented players who played the game differently the traditional American players were the best things that happened to the NBA since 2000. The talent level in the league is at an all-time high simply because the overall talent pool is greater than ever now that basketball is truly a global game.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 4:58pm #967305
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantIts a matter of personal preference and I respect your opinion. I do agree with your point that teams kept their core players together longer in the 90s, which made for better and probably more competitive overall rivalries than you see today. I’m also not saying that their weren’t great individual players in the 90s. Hell, the greatest player ever played in the era. What I’m saying is that I prefer the overall style of play that the best teams play today, with more emphasis on spacing and ball movement and dribble penetration, than the more isolation heavy and pound the post offensive schemes that were popular in that era. To me, watching a Warriors-Spurs series today, is much more appealing as a basketball fan, than watching a Knicks-Heat slugfest from the 90s. If you disagree, that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it.
To me, the rule changes allowing more freedom of movement and the foreign influx of talented players who played the game differently the traditional American players were the best things that happened to the NBA since 2000. The talent level in the league is at an all-time high simply because the overall talent pool is greater than ever now that basketball is truly a global game.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 5:14pm #967462
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantAnd I also disagree that defenses were better in the 90s than they are today. The reason that scoring was down in that era was that offense’s got to predictable and iso-heavy. Today, offense’s are much better and there are generally way more scoring threats on the floor at all times. And the fact that defenders were able to get away with so much physical contact in that era actually makes me respect the great individual defenders in today’s league that much more. To me, its much more impressive to play good position defense, than to just be physical and put your hands all over the offensive player.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 5:14pm #967313
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantAnd I also disagree that defenses were better in the 90s than they are today. The reason that scoring was down in that era was that offense’s got to predictable and iso-heavy. Today, offense’s are much better and there are generally way more scoring threats on the floor at all times. And the fact that defenders were able to get away with so much physical contact in that era actually makes me respect the great individual defenders in today’s league that much more. To me, its much more impressive to play good position defense, than to just be physical and put your hands all over the offensive player.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 9:53am #967393
ConsiderableUpsideParticipantI have to challenge your implication that the skill level of the league was lower in the 90’s. I mean, was there not great individual talent in that era? A faster game doesn’t mean better basketball is being played. To me having a highly competitive and physical league is a good thing. You cannot tell me the competitive atmosphere now is at the same level of the 80’s and 90’s…
Maybe I’m just too nostalgic, but I remember better team basketball being played overall mid 80’s and 90’s. Teams were more patient with their coaches and players, guys had more of a chance to play together and develop. Sure players bounced around, but a team’s core was given more of a chance to succeed than in today’s NBA in my opinion.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 7:53am #967385
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantRespectfully disagree with the glove on this one. I’d much rather watch faster paced games with higher skill level, better ball movement and more freedom of movement than slow, grind it out bully ball like most teams played in the 90s.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 2:22pm #967425
trueone313detroitParticipant80’s and 90’s were definitely better brands of ball. Defense was better because the average talent level of player was better. You had between 4-8 less teams over these years with means teams had a better bench higher skill sets and speciality players wouldve been killed now vs then. You think Kover wouldve gotta off the bench let alone started. Look at Kendrick Perkins he wouldve been a extra body at best. Now a days teams were bigger reason why the games was slower then. But it was a game that made you use skill. No zones, camping in the lanes, defensive 3 seconds where called everything you lap sit. Each man had to be responsible for the person they guarded day in and out or got exploited. now you can zone and sag off while hiding your worst defensive player. If you have 1 great skill you can be a starter now. Earlier years you needed to be a utility player at min to play.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 2:22pm #967277
trueone313detroitParticipant80’s and 90’s were definitely better brands of ball. Defense was better because the average talent level of player was better. You had between 4-8 less teams over these years with means teams had a better bench higher skill sets and speciality players wouldve been killed now vs then. You think Kover wouldve gotta off the bench let alone started. Look at Kendrick Perkins he wouldve been a extra body at best. Now a days teams were bigger reason why the games was slower then. But it was a game that made you use skill. No zones, camping in the lanes, defensive 3 seconds where called everything you lap sit. Each man had to be responsible for the person they guarded day in and out or got exploited. now you can zone and sag off while hiding your worst defensive player. If you have 1 great skill you can be a starter now. Earlier years you needed to be a utility player at min to play.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 2:25pm #967427
King CaluchaParticipantI never wanted to be the guy who says that the old stuff is better than the new stuff. I’m not going to argue that a faster game could be more appealing for some people.I just don’t like the way some fouls are being managed at this era. I really hate to see so many uncalled travels. Also… it’s not that the midrange shot is ineffective… but really, would you rather shoot from midrange or drive to the basket and get a foul (because everything is a foul now).
I have no problem with improvements in team defense and low scoring games, which is why I enjoy college basketball. If you just want to see dunks, good for you.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 2:25pm #967279
King CaluchaParticipantI never wanted to be the guy who says that the old stuff is better than the new stuff. I’m not going to argue that a faster game could be more appealing for some people.I just don’t like the way some fouls are being managed at this era. I really hate to see so many uncalled travels. Also… it’s not that the midrange shot is ineffective… but really, would you rather shoot from midrange or drive to the basket and get a foul (because everything is a foul now).
I have no problem with improvements in team defense and low scoring games, which is why I enjoy college basketball. If you just want to see dunks, good for you.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 2:30pm #967431
King CaluchaParticipantI should add: Just saw Gary Payton’s interview. He said: "You see these Play Stations and the kids score 50-60 points with one player, that’s what they want to see on TV".
I agree 100%. It’s not that it didn’t happen before, but players used to fight harder for those points.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 2:30pm #967283
King CaluchaParticipantI should add: Just saw Gary Payton’s interview. He said: "You see these Play Stations and the kids score 50-60 points with one player, that’s what they want to see on TV".
I agree 100%. It’s not that it didn’t happen before, but players used to fight harder for those points.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 5:08pm #967456
Mr. JewboyParticipantI don’t get you guys. The highest ppg the last few seasons have been really low. This year its around 27, 26,25,23 in that order. I don’t ever rememember it being that low
Team ball is actually really strong right now with teams like Atlanta and Memphis being top contenders without really having stars. (On the contrary, Every team until the Pistons had at least 2-4 HOF with the exception of Olajuwon)
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/18/2015 - 5:08pm #967307
Mr. JewboyParticipantI don’t get you guys. The highest ppg the last few seasons have been really low. This year its around 27, 26,25,23 in that order. I don’t ever rememember it being that low
Team ball is actually really strong right now with teams like Atlanta and Memphis being top contenders without really having stars. (On the contrary, Every team until the Pistons had at least 2-4 HOF with the exception of Olajuwon)
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