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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 5:54pm #57688

d-grizzlyParticipantAfter the Spurs recently demolished the Heat by playing great team basketball, it made me wonder if other nba teams would adopt that blueprint. The way the Spurs moved the ball reminded me of the 2002 Kings team, where almost each player touched the ball on every possession and extra passes were made.
What do you all think? Do you think we’ll see less isolation in years to come and more team-oriented basketball?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 6:41pm #943124

stealsgaloreParticipantI think what those Kings teams and this Spurs team had in common is passing at every position. I think coaches will still try to implement their own systems but I think that teams will start to value passing more as a skill and search for better passers in free agency and the draft.
P.S. I’m very excited the Spurs got another excellent passer in Kyle Anderson. He could average 3-4 apg in limited minutes with all those shooters in the second unit.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 6:41pm #943259

stealsgaloreParticipantI think what those Kings teams and this Spurs team had in common is passing at every position. I think coaches will still try to implement their own systems but I think that teams will start to value passing more as a skill and search for better passers in free agency and the draft.
P.S. I’m very excited the Spurs got another excellent passer in Kyle Anderson. He could average 3-4 apg in limited minutes with all those shooters in the second unit.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:55pm #943166

Mr. HookShotParticipantYes we will, and we already see this happening. One fine example are the Hawks, who hauled in Budenholzer from the Popovich-line of coaching to set up a solid system in which every player can get the most out of their talent.
Generally speaking, a solid system combined with smart players who are willing to pass (no hero-ball players like Mayo, Jennings, Smith) gives you a good chance to succeed. Even though there are teams that can have success with isolation-type offense (see Miami, but they had the best player in the world), you generally see that team-basketball based on a solid system beats iso-basketball when both teams have equal talent. One major problem is that a number of players are unwilling to forfeit their ball-dominant game as they think their numbers and thus contracts will suffer.
Imo new analyses/statistics help in creating better team basketball, as the focus is not anymore on basic statistics like ppg but on more advanced metrics that differentiates between inefficient chuckers and contributing team players.
0- Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 6:25am #943398
phila9012ParticipantMiami wasn’t isolation heavy. They passed it a lot, maybe not on the spurs level but close to it, it was great to watch. Their offense evolved so much over the last 4 years coach Spo did a great job with their offense and fitting it around Lebron. Your comment is 3 years old about the heat and the isolation ball they played their first season.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 6:25am #943264
phila9012ParticipantMiami wasn’t isolation heavy. They passed it a lot, maybe not on the spurs level but close to it, it was great to watch. Their offense evolved so much over the last 4 years coach Spo did a great job with their offense and fitting it around Lebron. Your comment is 3 years old about the heat and the isolation ball they played their first season.
0- Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 8:22pm #943745

Mr. HookShotParticipantBut they were succesful with iso-plays in the first couple of years; the point was not that Miami played iso last year, but more that you can be succesful with iso-plays when you have the best player in the world. If you don’t (but even if you do), team basketball with solid passing will bring the most out of your team.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 8:22pm #943610

Mr. HookShotParticipantBut they were succesful with iso-plays in the first couple of years; the point was not that Miami played iso last year, but more that you can be succesful with iso-plays when you have the best player in the world. If you don’t (but even if you do), team basketball with solid passing will bring the most out of your team.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:55pm #943301

Mr. HookShotParticipantYes we will, and we already see this happening. One fine example are the Hawks, who hauled in Budenholzer from the Popovich-line of coaching to set up a solid system in which every player can get the most out of their talent.
Generally speaking, a solid system combined with smart players who are willing to pass (no hero-ball players like Mayo, Jennings, Smith) gives you a good chance to succeed. Even though there are teams that can have success with isolation-type offense (see Miami, but they had the best player in the world), you generally see that team-basketball based on a solid system beats iso-basketball when both teams have equal talent. One major problem is that a number of players are unwilling to forfeit their ball-dominant game as they think their numbers and thus contracts will suffer.
Imo new analyses/statistics help in creating better team basketball, as the focus is not anymore on basic statistics like ppg but on more advanced metrics that differentiates between inefficient chuckers and contributing team players.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 1:07am #943182
theballerwayParticipantThe NBA game is definitely moving in a more ‘team ball’ direction. The number of new coaches from Europe at both head and assistant coach positions is increasing every year.
The new analytical stats trend is also a major factor. However so is having the right personnel on the floor to execute such a game plan. The Spurs and Kings teams mentioned were quite unique and will prove harder to replicate than a lot of teams think.
I do wonder how his effects how iso heavy players will fit in as the game progresses. especially because they often are the ‘stars’ who are both the highest paid and most marketable. Some players just naturally thrive with the ball in their hands.
This could be just what the doctor ordered for a team like the thunder. Just as an alternative to isolation not as there whole offense but a blend to keep opposing teams off balance and get others involved while anchored by their big 3
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 1:07am #943317
theballerwayParticipantThe NBA game is definitely moving in a more ‘team ball’ direction. The number of new coaches from Europe at both head and assistant coach positions is increasing every year.
The new analytical stats trend is also a major factor. However so is having the right personnel on the floor to execute such a game plan. The Spurs and Kings teams mentioned were quite unique and will prove harder to replicate than a lot of teams think.
I do wonder how his effects how iso heavy players will fit in as the game progresses. especially because they often are the ‘stars’ who are both the highest paid and most marketable. Some players just naturally thrive with the ball in their hands.
This could be just what the doctor ordered for a team like the thunder. Just as an alternative to isolation not as there whole offense but a blend to keep opposing teams off balance and get others involved while anchored by their big 3
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 6:48am #943421
TenSecondTomParticipantBring in more foreign guys, more David Blatts, and blackball the glorified AAU types like Jr. Smith and Nick Young and then maybe the nature of the NBA will chance for the better. I don’t see it making a complete change immediately but the smarter teams will stay away from those players and build around this style as it is prove to be much more effective than ISO-Ball.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 6:48am #943289
TenSecondTomParticipantBring in more foreign guys, more David Blatts, and blackball the glorified AAU types like Jr. Smith and Nick Young and then maybe the nature of the NBA will chance for the better. I don’t see it making a complete change immediately but the smarter teams will stay away from those players and build around this style as it is prove to be much more effective than ISO-Ball.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 9:29am #943360
ahuang16ParticipantBecause the counter to all of these iso guys is a lockdown defender who can shoot the three. To avoid these defense-first players becoming liabilities on offense, the ball needs to be moving swiftly around the perimeter to create open looks.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 9:29am #943492
ahuang16ParticipantBecause the counter to all of these iso guys is a lockdown defender who can shoot the three. To avoid these defense-first players becoming liabilities on offense, the ball needs to be moving swiftly around the perimeter to create open looks.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 3:08pm #943673

rileymcshea3ParticipantWe should see more team basketball, simply because that’s the right way to play to play basketball. Like everyone has already said it gets the most out if every player.
I’m a Mavs fan and the team as a whole played great team basketball and as a end result we were the closest team to beating the Spurs in the playoffs. Now with Parsons who plays like a point forward should make us one of the best passing teams in the league. With positions 1-4 all being unselfish players who can see the floor well.( Yes even Monta who averages 5-6 APG yearly and had his lowest amount of field goal attempts per game since 2007)
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 3:08pm #943539

rileymcshea3ParticipantWe should see more team basketball, simply because that’s the right way to play to play basketball. Like everyone has already said it gets the most out if every player.
I’m a Mavs fan and the team as a whole played great team basketball and as a end result we were the closest team to beating the Spurs in the playoffs. Now with Parsons who plays like a point forward should make us one of the best passing teams in the league. With positions 1-4 all being unselfish players who can see the floor well.( Yes even Monta who averages 5-6 APG yearly and had his lowest amount of field goal attempts per game since 2007)
0- Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 8:24pm #943747

Mr. HookShotParticipantEllis really changed his game for the better, nice work from him and the coaching staff of the Mavs. At first I wanted to mention him as one of the low-efficiency chucker players (like Mayo, Jennings, Smith) but last year he showed he can play within the flow of the game as well. Really impressive.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 8:24pm #943612

Mr. HookShotParticipantEllis really changed his game for the better, nice work from him and the coaching staff of the Mavs. At first I wanted to mention him as one of the low-efficiency chucker players (like Mayo, Jennings, Smith) but last year he showed he can play within the flow of the game as well. Really impressive.
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- Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 10:04pm #943640

GrandmamaParticipantIt really depends on what types of players teams build around. You build around guys like Nick Young (I know teams aren’t "built" around a guy like him, just using the clown as an example), and other dumb ballhog types, then no. If you build around smart players who play team basketball, then yes.
What would really help with the progression of team basketball is fixing the AAU circuit. Players learn bad habits in AAU, playing unstructured basketball on teams where everyone wants to shine. If the AAU circuit becomes more structured around fundamentals and playing as a team instead of an individual, then the team concept will catch on and we will see the results trickle down to the NBA. Until that happens, then a lot of these guys are going to carry those bad habits with them to the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 10:04pm #943774

GrandmamaParticipantIt really depends on what types of players teams build around. You build around guys like Nick Young (I know teams aren’t "built" around a guy like him, just using the clown as an example), and other dumb ballhog types, then no. If you build around smart players who play team basketball, then yes.
What would really help with the progression of team basketball is fixing the AAU circuit. Players learn bad habits in AAU, playing unstructured basketball on teams where everyone wants to shine. If the AAU circuit becomes more structured around fundamentals and playing as a team instead of an individual, then the team concept will catch on and we will see the results trickle down to the NBA. Until that happens, then a lot of these guys are going to carry those bad habits with them to the NBA.
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