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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 9:42am #57681
TRC1991ParticipantNBA Player H.O.F Status Updates
Locks
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Dwyane Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Steve Nash
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Tony Parker
Carmelo Anthony
Pau Gasol
Chris Paul
Chris Bosh
Dwight Howard
Kevin Durant
Manu Ginobili
Close, but not locks if retired today
Vince Carter
Joe Johnson
Jermaine O’Neal
Chauncey Billups
Shawn Marion
Amar’e Stoudemire
Still Have Time (Between 28-30 with at least 2 all-star appearances)
Rajon Rondo
Joakim Noah
LaMarcus Aldridge
Al Horford
Luol Deng
Great careers, but will probably come up short (30+, 3x all stars or less)
Zach Randolph
Rip Hamilton
Elton Brand
Danny Granger
Chris Kaman
Kenyon Martin
Metta World Peace
Rashard Lewis
Carlos Boozer
Andre Iguodala
Tyson Chandler
Caron Butler
David West
Andrei Kirilenko
Lamar Odom
David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Jameer Nelson
Too Young To Tell (26 or under)
Blake Griffin
Derrick Rose
Kevin Love
Russell Westbrook
James Harden
Paul George
Kyrie Irving
Stephen Curry
Damian Lillard
Anthony Davis
John Wall
DeMar DeRozan
Brook Lopez
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 9:48am #942955
joecheck88ParticipantI think Vince is a lock. I also think Marion and Stoudemire are as well. As well as Tracy McGrady.
Eveeyone else I agree with. It’s interesting to see Durant as a lock already(I agree) but it’s just weird because you see guys like Westbrook and Rose who are about the same age. Rose may have been there without the injuries and Weetbrook should be there in 3-4 years.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:59am #943115
joecheck88ParticipantShawn Marion will eclipse 17500 points and 10000 rebounds this year. Plus over 1000 each blocks and steals.
Vince Carter is a top 25 scorer of all time to go along with 5000 rebounds and 4000 assists. And top 10 in 3s made.
Tracy McGrady was cut short by injuries and they’ll figure that in. Still 18000p 5000r 4000a and that averages out to 19.5p 5.5r and 4.5a. Not bad for a guy that was injured and came from HS.
Amare was a bit of a stretch but give me a break. He’s one of my faves of all time. Injuries hurt him bad. He avg 21 and 9 in PHX. Posted 15000p and 6k rebounds so far. It’ll be interesting to see how his career ends and also how voting goes for a guy like Rasheed Wallace who had similar stats.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:59am #942980
joecheck88ParticipantShawn Marion will eclipse 17500 points and 10000 rebounds this year. Plus over 1000 each blocks and steals.
Vince Carter is a top 25 scorer of all time to go along with 5000 rebounds and 4000 assists. And top 10 in 3s made.
Tracy McGrady was cut short by injuries and they’ll figure that in. Still 18000p 5000r 4000a and that averages out to 19.5p 5.5r and 4.5a. Not bad for a guy that was injured and came from HS.
Amare was a bit of a stretch but give me a break. He’s one of my faves of all time. Injuries hurt him bad. He avg 21 and 9 in PHX. Posted 15000p and 6k rebounds so far. It’ll be interesting to see how his career ends and also how voting goes for a guy like Rasheed Wallace who had similar stats.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 9:48am #943088
joecheck88ParticipantI think Vince is a lock. I also think Marion and Stoudemire are as well. As well as Tracy McGrady.
Eveeyone else I agree with. It’s interesting to see Durant as a lock already(I agree) but it’s just weird because you see guys like Westbrook and Rose who are about the same age. Rose may have been there without the injuries and Weetbrook should be there in 3-4 years.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 9:57am #942959
IhateusernamesParticipantDepends on what your hall of fame standards are. I think only the truly elite should be in. Kobe, dirk etc.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:30am #943104
joecheck88ParticipantYes but that isn’t how it works. Lots of guys are in the HoF that weren’t the best players of their time. Chris Mullin was good but wasn’t the elite during his time.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:30am #942971
joecheck88ParticipantYes but that isn’t how it works. Lots of guys are in the HoF that weren’t the best players of their time. Chris Mullin was good but wasn’t the elite during his time.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 9:57am #943092
IhateusernamesParticipantDepends on what your hall of fame standards are. I think only the truly elite should be in. Kobe, dirk etc.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:09am #942962
teamcb3ParticipantCarmelo, CP3, Bosh, Howard and Durant are not yet locks in my opinion, but for different reasons. Carmelo and Paul are both great players, but a complete lack of playoff success could hurt both of them. Bosh put up great numbers on a bad team, then was 3rd fiddle on a great Heat team. Howard made a lot of enemies during his time in Orlando, and the voters may think of this, plus his game has greatly declined of late. I think he is the biggest longshot on this list. Durant is the wild card I put in, as I feel he should still be in the too young to tell category. As great as Durant is, he is still only 25, with 1 Finals trip and no rings. If Durant retired today I think it would be a great debate if he makes the HOF, and it would not shock me if he did not get the call. All this being said I do not think it is unreasoable to think these players will make the HOF, I just think that they should have at least been bumped down to the close but not locks category at least.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:38am #943106
APfromMSPParticipantKevin Durant is pretty much a lock right now. He’s been in the league 7 years, is a 5 time all star, MVP, 4 time scoring champ, 5 time All-NBA 1st team, and was rookie of the year… no debate to me.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:38am #942973
APfromMSPParticipantKevin Durant is pretty much a lock right now. He’s been in the league 7 years, is a 5 time all star, MVP, 4 time scoring champ, 5 time All-NBA 1st team, and was rookie of the year… no debate to me.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:08am #943125
teamcb3ParticipantThat right now Durant has all the makings of a future Hall of Fame player, I just think that even with all he has accomplished in 7 years, that 7 years is not enough of a career to be a lock into the Hall. If Durant keeps playing at this level for another even 3-5 years then I agree he is a complete lock, but to say a 25 year old with no rings can retire right now and gurantee his spot in the HoF is a little premature to me.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:08am #942991
teamcb3ParticipantThat right now Durant has all the makings of a future Hall of Fame player, I just think that even with all he has accomplished in 7 years, that 7 years is not enough of a career to be a lock into the Hall. If Durant keeps playing at this level for another even 3-5 years then I agree he is a complete lock, but to say a 25 year old with no rings can retire right now and gurantee his spot in the HoF is a little premature to me.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:32am #943137
fastdanParticipantDon’t forget he was the first freshman to win the Naismith and Wooden awards, and was the leading scorer on winning FIBA World Cup and Olympic teams. It’s more then just about the NBA. Not only that but he’s 4th all time in PPG, 12th in FT%, and one of four guys to lead the league in PPG four or more times.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:32am #943003
fastdanParticipantDon’t forget he was the first freshman to win the Naismith and Wooden awards, and was the leading scorer on winning FIBA World Cup and Olympic teams. It’s more then just about the NBA. Not only that but he’s 4th all time in PPG, 12th in FT%, and one of four guys to lead the league in PPG four or more times.
0- Posted on: Fri, 08/08/2014 - 8:51am #943878
teamcb3ParticipantThat Durant isn’t a great player because he clearly is, but look at the stats. He is currently 27th in points, 65th in rebounds and 69th in assist for active NBA players. Yes, his per game numbers are in line with the all time greats, but currently his numbers over the course of a career to me do not add up. And yes, he had one great year of college, but that team did nothing in the tournement. A one and done college player who never saw the Sweet 16 cannot hope that his college resume gets him into the HoF. I do agree that his Olympic and FIBA championships do count for something, but personally think he needs at least another three years playing at the level he is until he can be considered a "lock". Obviously people disagree, and I am not saying that I do not think he will end up making it because I do, just that his raw numbers and accomplishments at this very moment do not add up.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/08/2014 - 8:51am #943744
teamcb3ParticipantThat Durant isn’t a great player because he clearly is, but look at the stats. He is currently 27th in points, 65th in rebounds and 69th in assist for active NBA players. Yes, his per game numbers are in line with the all time greats, but currently his numbers over the course of a career to me do not add up. And yes, he had one great year of college, but that team did nothing in the tournement. A one and done college player who never saw the Sweet 16 cannot hope that his college resume gets him into the HoF. I do agree that his Olympic and FIBA championships do count for something, but personally think he needs at least another three years playing at the level he is until he can be considered a "lock". Obviously people disagree, and I am not saying that I do not think he will end up making it because I do, just that his raw numbers and accomplishments at this very moment do not add up.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:09am #943096
teamcb3ParticipantCarmelo, CP3, Bosh, Howard and Durant are not yet locks in my opinion, but for different reasons. Carmelo and Paul are both great players, but a complete lack of playoff success could hurt both of them. Bosh put up great numbers on a bad team, then was 3rd fiddle on a great Heat team. Howard made a lot of enemies during his time in Orlando, and the voters may think of this, plus his game has greatly declined of late. I think he is the biggest longshot on this list. Durant is the wild card I put in, as I feel he should still be in the too young to tell category. As great as Durant is, he is still only 25, with 1 Finals trip and no rings. If Durant retired today I think it would be a great debate if he makes the HOF, and it would not shock me if he did not get the call. All this being said I do not think it is unreasoable to think these players will make the HOF, I just think that they should have at least been bumped down to the close but not locks category at least.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:17am #942965
drk3351ParticipantJameer Nelson is mentioned in the same vicinity as hall of fame?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:17am #943098
drk3351ParticipantJameer Nelson is mentioned in the same vicinity as hall of fame?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:30am #942969
I.C.Y.U.NV.MEParticipantI don’t understand how Melo is a lock but Vince Carter isnt
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:13am #943129
phila9012ParticipantYeah VC should get in to the hall of fame. He is an 8 time all star. He has made one of the smoothest transitions from star to role player in recent memory and his 2000 dunk contest was one of the best dunk contest performances ever. If Billups doesn’t make the Hall of fame, I don’t think I can remember a team winning the NBA finals with out a hall of famer or future hall of famer. The hall of fame should have that team in there somewhere. They were a team every sense, much like the spurs this year only there weren’t any future hall of famers on it if Billups doesn’t get in. I don’t know how they should be in the hall of fame, but they should be in there.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:13am #942995
phila9012ParticipantYeah VC should get in to the hall of fame. He is an 8 time all star. He has made one of the smoothest transitions from star to role player in recent memory and his 2000 dunk contest was one of the best dunk contest performances ever. If Billups doesn’t make the Hall of fame, I don’t think I can remember a team winning the NBA finals with out a hall of famer or future hall of famer. The hall of fame should have that team in there somewhere. They were a team every sense, much like the spurs this year only there weren’t any future hall of famers on it if Billups doesn’t get in. I don’t know how they should be in the hall of fame, but they should be in there.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 6:44pm #943126
TRC1991ParticipantYou’re sadly misled if you think VC has had as many career accomplishments as Carmelo.
Melo
(played for just 2 teams)
7× NBA All-Star (2007–2008, 2010–2014)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2010, 2013)
4× All-NBA Third Team (2006–2007, 2009, 2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (2005)
NBA scoring champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2006)
FIBA Championship All-Tournament Team (2006)
NCAA champion (2003)
NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (2003)
Consensus second team All-American (2003)
USBWA National Freshman of the Year (2003)
All-Big East First Team (2003)
Big East Rookie of the Year (2003)
Big East All-Rookie Team (2003)
No. 15 retired by Syracuse
Career averages of: 25.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 3.1 apg, 1.1 spg, 46/35/81 shootingVince
(played for SIX different teams)
8× NBA All-Star (2000–2007)
All-NBA Second Team (2001)
All-NBA Third Team (2000)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1999)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1999)
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (2000)
Consensus second team All-American (1998)
Florida Mr. Basketball (1995)
Career averages of: 20.2 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.1 spg, 44/38/80 shooting0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:48pm #943172
joecheck88ParticipantMelo certainly has accomplished more than VC but that doesn’t make Vince any less of a player. Vince is a hall of Fame lock with those #s. He also won a gold medal in 2000. We aren’t arguing Melo isn’t a lock(I’m not) we are just arguing that VC is.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:48pm #943306
joecheck88ParticipantMelo certainly has accomplished more than VC but that doesn’t make Vince any less of a player. Vince is a hall of Fame lock with those #s. He also won a gold medal in 2000. We aren’t arguing Melo isn’t a lock(I’m not) we are just arguing that VC is.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 6:44pm #943261
TRC1991ParticipantYou’re sadly misled if you think VC has had as many career accomplishments as Carmelo.
Melo
(played for just 2 teams)
7× NBA All-Star (2007–2008, 2010–2014)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2010, 2013)
4× All-NBA Third Team (2006–2007, 2009, 2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (2005)
NBA scoring champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2006)
FIBA Championship All-Tournament Team (2006)
NCAA champion (2003)
NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (2003)
Consensus second team All-American (2003)
USBWA National Freshman of the Year (2003)
All-Big East First Team (2003)
Big East Rookie of the Year (2003)
Big East All-Rookie Team (2003)
No. 15 retired by Syracuse
Career averages of: 25.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 3.1 apg, 1.1 spg, 46/35/81 shootingVince
(played for SIX different teams)
8× NBA All-Star (2000–2007)
All-NBA Second Team (2001)
All-NBA Third Team (2000)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1999)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1999)
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (2000)
Consensus second team All-American (1998)
Florida Mr. Basketball (1995)
Career averages of: 20.2 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.1 spg, 44/38/80 shooting0
- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:30am #943102
I.C.Y.U.NV.MEParticipantI don’t understand how Melo is a lock but Vince Carter isnt
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:06am #943119
wuteverParticipantPeople forget how great of a player Vince Carter was outside of his dunking ability, even though you can say he never fulfilled his potential. If Melo is a lock, Vince should make it.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:06am #942985
wuteverParticipantPeople forget how great of a player Vince Carter was outside of his dunking ability, even though you can say he never fulfilled his potential. If Melo is a lock, Vince should make it.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:14am #943131
tuck243Participantthen you add the fact that he was a great scorer, I don’t see how you feel like he’s not a lock… Talent wise he had a chance to be standing next to Kobe, smh… I also ask, why did Toronto give his number away? I felt like they would retire it eventually…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:14am #942997
tuck243Participantthen you add the fact that he was a great scorer, I don’t see how you feel like he’s not a lock… Talent wise he had a chance to be standing next to Kobe, smh… I also ask, why did Toronto give his number away? I felt like they would retire it eventually…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:20am #943135
HitsterParticipantPersonally I think that Vince is a lock as much as someone like CP3 at the moment. CP3 will be a HOF if he keeps up his current output for a couple more years but using the above criteria he isn’t quite there yet. Pau Gasol and Chris Bosh are perhaps only ahead of Vince as they have won titles.
Back to Vince, he has 23,190 career points and is 25th on all time NBA points list and everyone around him on that list who is HOF eligible is in.
Not sure if Antawn Jamison counts as a current NBA player or not but with 20,000 career points he is an interesting HOF candidate IMO. He is unlikely to get in immediately given the strength of the guys we have listed above but I think he deserves consideration in due course.
It will be interesting when the older guys in the list start retiring probably after next season for some of them and there could well be a bit of a logjam if a lot finished in the same year.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:20am #943001
HitsterParticipantPersonally I think that Vince is a lock as much as someone like CP3 at the moment. CP3 will be a HOF if he keeps up his current output for a couple more years but using the above criteria he isn’t quite there yet. Pau Gasol and Chris Bosh are perhaps only ahead of Vince as they have won titles.
Back to Vince, he has 23,190 career points and is 25th on all time NBA points list and everyone around him on that list who is HOF eligible is in.
Not sure if Antawn Jamison counts as a current NBA player or not but with 20,000 career points he is an interesting HOF candidate IMO. He is unlikely to get in immediately given the strength of the guys we have listed above but I think he deserves consideration in due course.
It will be interesting when the older guys in the list start retiring probably after next season for some of them and there could well be a bit of a logjam if a lot finished in the same year.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 2:57pm #943209
RUDEBOY_Participantvince isnt a 1st ballot player,i see him getting in on his 2nd or 3rd try…
joe johnson will eventually get in 1 day..i see his path similar to that of alex english and adrian dantley,those guys were so consistent and played at a high peak for so long..
i dont see jermaine o’neal making it,billups either….
i had to laugh when u mentioned jameer nelson,chris kamen,gerald wallace and hall of fame in the same sentence…lol
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 2:57pm #943075
RUDEBOY_Participantvince isnt a 1st ballot player,i see him getting in on his 2nd or 3rd try…
joe johnson will eventually get in 1 day..i see his path similar to that of alex english and adrian dantley,those guys were so consistent and played at a high peak for so long..
i dont see jermaine o’neal making it,billups either….
i had to laugh when u mentioned jameer nelson,chris kamen,gerald wallace and hall of fame in the same sentence…lol
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 4:56pm #943109
IhateusernamesParticipantI laughed at a few of the names on the first list. But after remembering that college exploits are included in hall of fame criteria, Noah and Rip have better chances than i thought by virtue of being the best players on championship teams in college and having all star appearences and in rips case a title.
Webber is another although not active whos college impact tips the scales in his favor
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 7:03pm #943128
raybeasParticipantLets ask the U of M about that one. Oh, sorry, they don’t know what you’re talking about.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 7:03pm #943263
raybeasParticipantLets ask the U of M about that one. Oh, sorry, they don’t know what you’re talking about.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 4:56pm #943243
IhateusernamesParticipantI laughed at a few of the names on the first list. But after remembering that college exploits are included in hall of fame criteria, Noah and Rip have better chances than i thought by virtue of being the best players on championship teams in college and having all star appearences and in rips case a title.
Webber is another although not active whos college impact tips the scales in his favor
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 6:40pm #943122
TRC1991ParticipantVince should get in. But would you bet your mother’s life on him being in the HOF?
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 7:23pm #943138
Magic JordanParticipantI wouldn’t bet my mothers life on anything… Let alone something to do with Vince Carter
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 7:23pm #943273
Magic JordanParticipantI wouldn’t bet my mothers life on anything… Let alone something to do with Vince Carter
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 6:40pm #943257
TRC1991ParticipantVince should get in. But would you bet your mother’s life on him being in the HOF?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 7:16pm #943134
marcusfizer21ParticipantVince Carter is a Hall of Famer for sure… Who knows if he might be a 1st ballot or not but I can definitely see him as a Hall of Famer..
People rave about his stats but I think it goes beyond that.. The fact that he paved the way for basketball in Canada was huge… He made the Toronto Raptors relevant during his tenure… Toronto basketball became bigger which brought the likes of today’s rising Canadian players like Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and Tristan Thompson amongst others…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/06/2014 - 7:16pm #943269
marcusfizer21ParticipantVince Carter is a Hall of Famer for sure… Who knows if he might be a 1st ballot or not but I can definitely see him as a Hall of Famer..
People rave about his stats but I think it goes beyond that.. The fact that he paved the way for basketball in Canada was huge… He made the Toronto Raptors relevant during his tenure… Toronto basketball became bigger which brought the likes of today’s rising Canadian players like Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and Tristan Thompson amongst others…
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 6:11am #943390
HitsterParticipantMelo’s college title would weigh in his favour but as he is already at nearly 20,000 points then his HOF place must almost be secured.
Grant Hill of the recently retired guys will be helped by his college exploits.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 6:11am #943256
HitsterParticipantMelo’s college title would weigh in his favour but as he is already at nearly 20,000 points then his HOF place must almost be secured.
Grant Hill of the recently retired guys will be helped by his college exploits.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 7:41am #943449
JM40ParticipantLocks:
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Steve Nash
Dwyane Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Tony Parker
Pau Gasol
Kevin Durant
Manu Ginoboli
Vince CarterClose:
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Amare Stoudemire
Shawn Marion
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin50/50:
Chauncey Billups
Joe Johnson
LaMarcus Aldridge
Jermaine O’Neal
Derrick Rose
Russell WestbrookQuestionable/Likely Out:
Rajon Rondo
Joakim Noah
Luol Deng
Al Horford
James Harden
Rip Hamilton
Paul George
Stephen Curry
Kyrie Irving0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/07/2014 - 7:41am #943316
JM40ParticipantLocks:
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Steve Nash
Dwyane Wade
Dirk Nowitzki
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Tony Parker
Pau Gasol
Kevin Durant
Manu Ginoboli
Vince CarterClose:
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Amare Stoudemire
Shawn Marion
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin50/50:
Chauncey Billups
Joe Johnson
LaMarcus Aldridge
Jermaine O’Neal
Derrick Rose
Russell WestbrookQuestionable/Likely Out:
Rajon Rondo
Joakim Noah
Luol Deng
Al Horford
James Harden
Rip Hamilton
Paul George
Stephen Curry
Kyrie Irving0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/08/2014 - 9:36am #943888
gbmantisParticipantJoe Johnson is not a Hall of Famer!! Is this real life??
0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/08/2014 - 9:36am #943754
gbmantisParticipantJoe Johnson is not a Hall of Famer!! Is this real life??
0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/08/2014 - 6:18pm #943905
GrandmamaParticipantI wouldn’t say Bosh is a lock for the HOF
0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/08/2014 - 6:18pm #944039
GrandmamaParticipantI wouldn’t say Bosh is a lock for the HOF
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