This topic contains 24 replies, has 10 voices, and was last updated by 
Hitster 12 years ago.
- AuthorPosts
- Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 7:50pm #57037
CanadianGMParticipantI must say I really thought NY Knicks were going to be 2015 before they could do anything but an interesting possibility opened up. Now that Indiana signed CJ Miles and limited themselves to only 7 million left for cap space, I think Stevenson is done. Jackson brings hometown 23 year old back on a 4 year contract. Great incentive to ball out and get the big contract when Stevenson is only 27 at the end of contract.
NY has 4 million in cap space plus JR Smith makes 6 million and would be NY sign and trade option to replace Stevensons offence. 1 st year at 8 million, 2nd at 9 millioni, 3rd at 10 million, and 4 th at 11 million. 4 years 38 million. Still have shot at Gasol for sign and trade if they throw somebody some serious incentives to take Bargnani contract (12 million)off the books. Shumpert or future 1 st rounder might get it done. Bring back Anthony and NY is back. With Bargnani gone, it leaves only one bad contract left. (Stoudemires 23 million.)
PG- Calderon with Larkin backing up. SG- Stevenson with Hardaway Jr. as strong 6 th man SF- Anthony ( 34 th pick Early backs up.) PF- Gasol with Stoudemire backs up or move Gasol to C . C- Dalembert . Still have Odom, Ellington and Pigloni. Lots of flexibility in 2015 when Stoudemire contract comes off the books. Seems ambitious but Jackson has made the books look a lot more promising and given me some optimism that Athony is here to stay.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 7:58pm #931443
morestealsthanscoresParticipantit’s actually a nice idea, and I think Stephenson could progress well with Jackson and Derek Fisher’s tutelage…I’m not sure that the $ add up (Stephenson turned down $45m/5) but it is an interesting scenario.
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 8:52pm #931602
CanadianGMParticipantI know it’s less money than he already turned down but that 5 th year can also be a 12 million sign and trade or perhaps Stevenson can silence some critics, play ball without the antics and sign a MAX contact after the 4 years. He is young enough that he could still get one big contract if he continues his path.
4 years 38 million or 5 years 50 million playing in your hometown is still a little better than the 4 year 45 million which I believe may have got pulled when they signed CJ Miles cutting down there cap space to 7 million.
Anthony, Stevenson, Gasol, Calderon, Hardaway Jr is huge East contender plus 2015 cap space when Stoudemire is gone. Great depth and role players if Larkin, Early, Ellington pan out and no bad contracts. Anthony at 20 million, Pau at 8 million, Stevenson at 8, Calderon at 7, Ellington at 2.5, Hardaway Jr at 1.25, Early at .7,Larkin at 1.6, Pigloni at 1.6 plus 4 minimum guys like Odom etc gives good cap room next year when Stoudemire 23 million and Dalembert 3.9 million come off the books.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 8:52pm #931469
CanadianGMParticipantI know it’s less money than he already turned down but that 5 th year can also be a 12 million sign and trade or perhaps Stevenson can silence some critics, play ball without the antics and sign a MAX contact after the 4 years. He is young enough that he could still get one big contract if he continues his path.
4 years 38 million or 5 years 50 million playing in your hometown is still a little better than the 4 year 45 million which I believe may have got pulled when they signed CJ Miles cutting down there cap space to 7 million.
Anthony, Stevenson, Gasol, Calderon, Hardaway Jr is huge East contender plus 2015 cap space when Stoudemire is gone. Great depth and role players if Larkin, Early, Ellington pan out and no bad contracts. Anthony at 20 million, Pau at 8 million, Stevenson at 8, Calderon at 7, Ellington at 2.5, Hardaway Jr at 1.25, Early at .7,Larkin at 1.6, Pigloni at 1.6 plus 4 minimum guys like Odom etc gives good cap room next year when Stoudemire 23 million and Dalembert 3.9 million come off the books.
0
- Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 7:58pm #931576
morestealsthanscoresParticipantit’s actually a nice idea, and I think Stephenson could progress well with Jackson and Derek Fisher’s tutelage…I’m not sure that the $ add up (Stephenson turned down $45m/5) but it is an interesting scenario.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 8:45pm #931596
tuck243ParticipantAlso, he’s not accepting $38 million no matter where the hell he’s playing at… That’s just not bright… They signed CJ to a mid-level exception… So they can still pay Stephenson his money without breaking cap
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 8:45pm #931463
tuck243ParticipantAlso, he’s not accepting $38 million no matter where the hell he’s playing at… That’s just not bright… They signed CJ to a mid-level exception… So they can still pay Stephenson his money without breaking cap
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 8:56pm #931608
Mr. HookShotParticipantDon’t think the Pacers would actually accept JR Smith as a replacement, they would rather have Shumpert I guess. If they trade away their hyperactive knucklehead better to do so for a hyperactive replacement (Shumpert) than a knucklehead replacement (JR Smith)
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 8:56pm #931475
Mr. HookShotParticipantDon’t think the Pacers would actually accept JR Smith as a replacement, they would rather have Shumpert I guess. If they trade away their hyperactive knucklehead better to do so for a hyperactive replacement (Shumpert) than a knucklehead replacement (JR Smith)
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:03pm #931610
TenSecondTomParticipantSo you’re saying that Indiana should repalce one headcase/team cancer with another, less effective headcase/team cancer? And all Melo will do and ever do for the NYK is ensure that they don’t win anything; he’s a proven loser and cannot lead a team to a playoff series victory nevermind a championship.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:03pm #931477
TenSecondTomParticipantSo you’re saying that Indiana should repalce one headcase/team cancer with another, less effective headcase/team cancer? And all Melo will do and ever do for the NYK is ensure that they don’t win anything; he’s a proven loser and cannot lead a team to a playoff series victory nevermind a championship.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:06pm #931612
festar35ParticipantFrom an Indiana fans point of view I would not want JR Smith in the slightest. I would want a combo of Iman Shumpert and Shane Larkin or Tim Hardaway Jr.
This is not asking too much as Lance has shown an ability to be a great player and Shumpert would be an adequate replacement but not enough by himself.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:06pm #931479
festar35ParticipantFrom an Indiana fans point of view I would not want JR Smith in the slightest. I would want a combo of Iman Shumpert and Shane Larkin or Tim Hardaway Jr.
This is not asking too much as Lance has shown an ability to be a great player and Shumpert would be an adequate replacement but not enough by himself.
0- Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:22pm #931618
CanadianGMParticipantThey now have assets in Larkin, Schumpert, Hardaway, future draft pocks to get rid of Bargnani and JR Smith contracts to teams like Sixers and Jazz who need to spend money to get up to league minimum. Lance Stephenson and Pau Gasol are both unrestricted free agents and have New York connections so either could be a possibility. Bargnani at 12 million plus the 4 million in cap space plus mid level exception should be enough to get both Gasol and Stephenson if they decide so there is no need to even try to even up the trades with Lakers and Pacers. Sign them outright and give up nothing.
I just don’t like the idea of Stephenson and JR Smith on the same team. That’s a recipe for bad chemistry and Im sure somebody with a strong locker room takes a chance on JR one year removed from 6 th man of the year.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:22pm #931485
CanadianGMParticipantThey now have assets in Larkin, Schumpert, Hardaway, future draft pocks to get rid of Bargnani and JR Smith contracts to teams like Sixers and Jazz who need to spend money to get up to league minimum. Lance Stephenson and Pau Gasol are both unrestricted free agents and have New York connections so either could be a possibility. Bargnani at 12 million plus the 4 million in cap space plus mid level exception should be enough to get both Gasol and Stephenson if they decide so there is no need to even try to even up the trades with Lakers and Pacers. Sign them outright and give up nothing.
I just don’t like the idea of Stephenson and JR Smith on the same team. That’s a recipe for bad chemistry and Im sure somebody with a strong locker room takes a chance on JR one year removed from 6 th man of the year.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:35pm #931625
thetrademachineryParticipantLance is a UFA, you may get nothing back. I understand not wanting Smith. But asking for some value in return is funny.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:35pm #931493
thetrademachineryParticipantLance is a UFA, you may get nothing back. I understand not wanting Smith. But asking for some value in return is funny.
0- Posted on: Thu, 07/03/2014 - 3:23am #931671
DCParticipantIf the Knicks had the cap space to sign Stephenson outright then totally agree with you but the Knicks don’t have cap space and are desperate to change their roster in any way they can. Indy asking for Shumpert and some might help the Knicks keep Melo and fix Indy’s locker room issues.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/03/2014 - 3:23am #931539
DCParticipantIf the Knicks had the cap space to sign Stephenson outright then totally agree with you but the Knicks don’t have cap space and are desperate to change their roster in any way they can. Indy asking for Shumpert and some might help the Knicks keep Melo and fix Indy’s locker room issues.
0
- Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:14pm #931616
Jester87ParticipantNobody in the league wants JR Smith anymore.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 07/02/2014 - 9:14pm #931483
Jester87ParticipantNobody in the league wants JR Smith anymore.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/03/2014 - 1:34pm #931690
HitsterParticipantThinking a bit differently about any deal I’d wonder if the Pacers might want Calderon in any deal, it would give them a pure pass first PG to spread the floor and as they are win now the deal would make sense. They could move Hill to SG if needed.
The Pacers would more realistically want Shumpert back in any trade and as he has a year left on his rookie deal would fit perfectly into their cap. With contracts expiring next summer then the Pacers would be nicely placed to extend him.
Lance in the Garden would be fun to watch and would give him one of the biggest stages to play on. Derek Fisher has played with enough superstars over the years so could probably handle Lance as well as any one and with Phil there who handed Rodman as back up, he’d be going into a decent situation.
As said above the Pacers could lose Lance for nothing so an S and T could be a decent way to get something back for him.
In the 2011 CBA it states that "In and S and T, the team receiving the player cannot be above $4 million over the tax level after the trade. A team above that level can do an S and T if the trade reduces the payroll and team finishes below $4 million over the tax level after the trade – With the Knicks looking to retain Melo would a move for Stephenson be allowed if they had resigned Melo or were intending to – hadn’t renounced their intention to effectively?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/03/2014 - 1:34pm #931692
HitsterParticipantThinking a bit differently about any deal I’d wonder if the Pacers might want Calderon in any deal, it would give them a pure pass first PG to spread the floor and as they are win now the deal would make sense. They could move Hill to SG if needed.
The Pacers would more realistically want Shumpert back in any trade and as he has a year left on his rookie deal would fit perfectly into their cap. With contracts expiring next summer then the Pacers would be nicely placed to extend him.
Lance in the Garden would be fun to watch and would give him one of the biggest stages to play on. Derek Fisher has played with enough superstars over the years so could probably handle Lance as well as any one and with Phil there who handed Rodman as back up, he’d be going into a decent situation.
As said above the Pacers could lose Lance for nothing so an S and T could be a decent way to get something back for him.
In the 2011 CBA it states that "In and S and T, the team receiving the player cannot be above $4 million over the tax level after the trade. A team above that level can do an S and T if the trade reduces the payroll and team finishes below $4 million over the tax level after the trade – With the Knicks looking to retain Melo would a move for Stephenson be allowed if they had resigned Melo or were intending to – hadn’t renounced their intention to effectively?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/03/2014 - 1:34pm #931821
HitsterParticipantThinking a bit differently about any deal I’d wonder if the Pacers might want Calderon in any deal, it would give them a pure pass first PG to spread the floor and as they are win now the deal would make sense. They could move Hill to SG if needed.
The Pacers would more realistically want Shumpert back in any trade and as he has a year left on his rookie deal would fit perfectly into their cap. With contracts expiring next summer then the Pacers would be nicely placed to extend him.
Lance in the Garden would be fun to watch and would give him one of the biggest stages to play on. Derek Fisher has played with enough superstars over the years so could probably handle Lance as well as any one and with Phil there who handed Rodman as back up, he’d be going into a decent situation.
As said above the Pacers could lose Lance for nothing so an S and T could be a decent way to get something back for him.
In the 2011 CBA it states that "In and S and T, the team receiving the player cannot be above $4 million over the tax level after the trade. A team above that level can do an S and T if the trade reduces the payroll and team finishes below $4 million over the tax level after the trade – With the Knicks looking to retain Melo would a move for Stephenson be allowed if they had resigned Melo or were intending to – hadn’t renounced their intention to effectively?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 07/03/2014 - 1:34pm #931823
HitsterParticipantThinking a bit differently about any deal I’d wonder if the Pacers might want Calderon in any deal, it would give them a pure pass first PG to spread the floor and as they are win now the deal would make sense. They could move Hill to SG if needed.
The Pacers would more realistically want Shumpert back in any trade and as he has a year left on his rookie deal would fit perfectly into their cap. With contracts expiring next summer then the Pacers would be nicely placed to extend him.
Lance in the Garden would be fun to watch and would give him one of the biggest stages to play on. Derek Fisher has played with enough superstars over the years so could probably handle Lance as well as any one and with Phil there who handed Rodman as back up, he’d be going into a decent situation.
As said above the Pacers could lose Lance for nothing so an S and T could be a decent way to get something back for him.
In the 2011 CBA it states that "In and S and T, the team receiving the player cannot be above $4 million over the tax level after the trade. A team above that level can do an S and T if the trade reduces the payroll and team finishes below $4 million over the tax level after the trade – With the Knicks looking to retain Melo would a move for Stephenson be allowed if they had resigned Melo or were intending to – hadn’t renounced their intention to effectively?
0 - AuthorPosts
| You must be logged in to reply to this topic. | Login |