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  • #53408
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    Moon River
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    In his chat today, Chad Ford stated the following teams have their favorites (as of today):

    Jazz and Celtics have Parker #1

    Magic and Sixers have Wiggins #1

    Bucks, Kings, Cavs and Lakers (gulp) would all go Embiid.

    Also says Celts, Sixers and Magic could waiver to Embiid by June with the Jazz sticking with Parker.

    Gotta love all of this draft chatter in January.

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  • #862546
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     Especially come tourney-time, but in a year where a lot of our favorite team’s are tanking (my hometown Orlando Magic), draft chatter is pretty much all some of us have to look forward to. For the record, I’m with Chad Ford’s source on Wiggins for the Magic. I think he’d be a great top pick for them.

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  • #862440
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     Especially come tourney-time, but in a year where a lot of our favorite team’s are tanking (my hometown Orlando Magic), draft chatter is pretty much all some of us have to look forward to. For the record, I’m with Chad Ford’s source on Wiggins for the Magic. I think he’d be a great top pick for them.

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  • #862548
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    I have a feeling Joel Embiid will establish himself as the #1 pick by draft time.  He is just so skilled for a big man and his quickness is just unparalleled for a guy with his build.  He is looking more and more assertive on the court and was absolutely dominant against Iowa State in the second half.  He needs to control his aggression on the court, but his feel for the game and his physical tools are unmatched among big men prospects in this year’s draft.

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  • #862442
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    I have a feeling Joel Embiid will establish himself as the #1 pick by draft time.  He is just so skilled for a big man and his quickness is just unparalleled for a guy with his build.  He is looking more and more assertive on the court and was absolutely dominant against Iowa State in the second half.  He needs to control his aggression on the court, but his feel for the game and his physical tools are unmatched among big men prospects in this year’s draft.

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  • #862554
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     If the Kings get a high draft pick (top 5), do not be surprised if they trade it, along with Ben McLemore, for Rondo, Bradley, and one of their own draft picks, along with some other goodies.

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  • #862448
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     If the Kings get a high draft pick (top 5), do not be surprised if they trade it, along with Ben McLemore, for Rondo, Bradley, and one of their own draft picks, along with some other goodies.

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  • #862467
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     Honestly after watching Emiid play multiple times now I’d have no gripes with a team taking him #1 overall. He looks like Hakeem out there right now and the scary thing is he’s getting better by the day. His potential is sky high and if he reaches it, he could end up being a more complete player than Howard long-term. If it were between Wiggins and Parker I would go with Wiggins 9/10 times (Chicago being the exception).

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  • #862572
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     Honestly after watching Emiid play multiple times now I’d have no gripes with a team taking him #1 overall. He looks like Hakeem out there right now and the scary thing is he’s getting better by the day. His potential is sky high and if he reaches it, he could end up being a more complete player than Howard long-term. If it were between Wiggins and Parker I would go with Wiggins 9/10 times (Chicago being the exception).

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  • #862470
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    They’ve seen a similar prospect walk through their doors before and his name was Andre Iguadola!!!

    Wiggins looks like a Iggy type through and through…Great Athlete, Great Defender,has limited ball skills(early Iggy) and no real go to moves, would be a great 2nd or 3rd guy.

     

    So why is Wiggins viewed any differently by the 76er GM, because Paul George broke out last year???

    Wiggins isn’t going to measure out to 6’8/6’9 like Paul George, more 6’6/6’7 like Iguadola, Parker looks like a solid 6’9 with the potential to grow an inch

    The 76ers have lacked a Go To Scorer since they traded away Allen Iverson for Andre Miller and a bag of chips

    They would absolutely take Jabarri Parker 1st overall (Or trade Wiggins or Embiid for the rights to Jabarri and other assets, if a Team really loves them that much and we happen to land the top pick)

    Orlando would definitly draft Embiid or Wiggins before Parker(because of Harkless and Harris), Utah has to look at Marcus Smart because their guard play is rather suspect minus Alec Burks, adding Parker with Hayward already on board smells like a disaster for one of the two, Favors/Kanter and Embiid would also make for a HUGE frontline with 0 spacing, but maybe the Jazz build around a Twin Tower lineup of Favors and Embiid anb trades Kanter for a G/F

    This draft is going to be NUTS, because a Team could draft 10th and land a potential Blue Chipper, My 76ers could end up with Parker in the Top 3 and a Guard like Gary Harris or James Young with the Pelicans pick, Aaron Gordon could be sitting there too, Dante Exum and Dario Saric could be there too, so many possibilties this year, just wake me up in JUNE!!!

     

     

      

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    • #862492
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       Just playing Devil’s Advocate, but the new regime could also look at how successful MCW has been (the raw, very athletic PG) and say that there are a lot of parallels between him and Wiggins (also raw, and extremely athletic).  Not to mention having a core built around MCW, Wiggins, and Noel has the makings to be one of the best defensive teams in the NBA.

      Also, I’d argue that Wiggins’ spin move is a go-to move, and Jabari doesn’t really have much of a go-to move.  He just has a lot of solid moves.

       

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    • #862599
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       Just playing Devil’s Advocate, but the new regime could also look at how successful MCW has been (the raw, very athletic PG) and say that there are a lot of parallels between him and Wiggins (also raw, and extremely athletic).  Not to mention having a core built around MCW, Wiggins, and Noel has the makings to be one of the best defensive teams in the NBA.

      Also, I’d argue that Wiggins’ spin move is a go-to move, and Jabari doesn’t really have much of a go-to move.  He just has a lot of solid moves.

       

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    • #862504
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      For_Never_Ever
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      I have been watching ball forever. Wiggens is taller then 6’6, I would say he is 6’7.5 at the shortest. Iggy has only become a ok shooter recwntly not too long ago while Wiggens is already a better shooter at this age then Iggy has been for the majority of his career. 

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      • #862511
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        For_Never_Ever
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        People look at defense like its not a big part of the game. Watch the K State game with Wiggens and tell me he isnt a great defender. Parkers defense will always been questioned perhaps like like Melo, but I dont believe Melo defense is bad as people make.it out to be.

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      • #862617
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        For_Never_Ever
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        People look at defense like its not a big part of the game. Watch the K State game with Wiggens and tell me he isnt a great defender. Parkers defense will always been questioned perhaps like like Melo, but I dont believe Melo defense is bad as people make.it out to be.

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      • #862517
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         I happen to watch a lot of basketball myslef and been next to several basketball players and Pro Wrestlers, many of whom lie about their Height on the Bio’s…

        The 76ers have been notorious Height liars, Hawes is not 7’1 like his bio states, he was measured at 6’10 without shoes, in what world does he grow 3 inches every time laces up a pair sneakers, Thad Young is closer to being 6’7 than 6’8 as listed, Noel is not a 7′ footer as listed

        I’m not saying Wiggins isn’t a legit 6’6-6’7, because he is, but people think those 2 inches players like Paul George grew alledgely are a common occurance in the NBA, it’s not…What you see is what what you get for the most part at this point in the average NBA prospect’s physical development…

        Do you think Parker is a legit 6’9 in shoes???  Because that’s a good size to be for a Scorer in the NBA  

         

         

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        • #862747
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           He definetly isnt 6’9, and I havent heard anyone say he is. Except for that fool Dickie Vitale because he likes to go over the top with everything. Either 6’8 or 6’8.5 with a pretty good wingspand though somewhere in the 7ft range.

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        • #862641
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          For_Never_Ever
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           He definetly isnt 6’9, and I havent heard anyone say he is. Except for that fool Dickie Vitale because he likes to go over the top with everything. Either 6’8 or 6’8.5 with a pretty good wingspand though somewhere in the 7ft range.

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        • #862769
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          For_Never_Ever
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           I see Wiggins at worst being a more gifted and talented Harrison Barns. 

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        • #862663
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          For_Never_Ever
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           I see Wiggins at worst being a more gifted and talented Harrison Barns. 

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        • #862803
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          machu46
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           If you take a simple look at Draft Express, you can see their actual heights.  Spencer Hawes is 6’10.5" without shoes, and 7’0.75" in shoes, so therefore, he’s rounded up to 7’1".

          Thad Young is 6’7.5" in shoes, so he’s rounded up to 6’8".

          Nerlens Noel is 6’11.75" in shoes, so he’s rounded up to 7’0".

           

           

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        • #862697
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          machu46
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           If you take a simple look at Draft Express, you can see their actual heights.  Spencer Hawes is 6’10.5" without shoes, and 7’0.75" in shoes, so therefore, he’s rounded up to 7’1".

          Thad Young is 6’7.5" in shoes, so he’s rounded up to 6’8".

          Nerlens Noel is 6’11.75" in shoes, so he’s rounded up to 7’0".

           

           

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      • #862623
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         I happen to watch a lot of basketball myslef and been next to several basketball players and Pro Wrestlers, many of whom lie about their Height on the Bio’s…

        The 76ers have been notorious Height liars, Hawes is not 7’1 like his bio states, he was measured at 6’10 without shoes, in what world does he grow 3 inches every time laces up a pair sneakers, Thad Young is closer to being 6’7 than 6’8 as listed, Noel is not a 7′ footer as listed

        I’m not saying Wiggins isn’t a legit 6’6-6’7, because he is, but people think those 2 inches players like Paul George grew alledgely are a common occurance in the NBA, it’s not…What you see is what what you get for the most part at this point in the average NBA prospect’s physical development…

        Do you think Parker is a legit 6’9 in shoes???  Because that’s a good size to be for a Scorer in the NBA  

         

         

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    • #862611
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      For_Never_Ever
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      I have been watching ball forever. Wiggens is taller then 6’6, I would say he is 6’7.5 at the shortest. Iggy has only become a ok shooter recwntly not too long ago while Wiggens is already a better shooter at this age then Iggy has been for the majority of his career. 

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  • #862576
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    They’ve seen a similar prospect walk through their doors before and his name was Andre Iguadola!!!

    Wiggins looks like a Iggy type through and through…Great Athlete, Great Defender,has limited ball skills(early Iggy) and no real go to moves, would be a great 2nd or 3rd guy.

     

    So why is Wiggins viewed any differently by the 76er GM, because Paul George broke out last year???

    Wiggins isn’t going to measure out to 6’8/6’9 like Paul George, more 6’6/6’7 like Iguadola, Parker looks like a solid 6’9 with the potential to grow an inch

    The 76ers have lacked a Go To Scorer since they traded away Allen Iverson for Andre Miller and a bag of chips

    They would absolutely take Jabarri Parker 1st overall (Or trade Wiggins or Embiid for the rights to Jabarri and other assets, if a Team really loves them that much and we happen to land the top pick)

    Orlando would definitly draft Embiid or Wiggins before Parker(because of Harkless and Harris), Utah has to look at Marcus Smart because their guard play is rather suspect minus Alec Burks, adding Parker with Hayward already on board smells like a disaster for one of the two, Favors/Kanter and Embiid would also make for a HUGE frontline with 0 spacing, but maybe the Jazz build around a Twin Tower lineup of Favors and Embiid anb trades Kanter for a G/F

    This draft is going to be NUTS, because a Team could draft 10th and land a potential Blue Chipper, My 76ers could end up with Parker in the Top 3 and a Guard like Gary Harris or James Young with the Pelicans pick, Aaron Gordon could be sitting there too, Dante Exum and Dario Saric could be there too, so many possibilties this year, just wake me up in JUNE!!!

     

     

      

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  • #862474
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    Philly’s DREAM scenario might be Wiggins at 1, 2, or 3, then Aaron Gordon with the Pelicans’ pick.

    Wiggins and MCW would be a great backcourt with a possible three guard lineup of MCW, Wiggins, and Tony Wroten.  Evan Turner could stay as a 6th man or they could trade him.

    Then Aaron Gordon would be a great athlete at the 4 to complement the center rotation of Nerlens Noel and Spencer Hawes.  Gordon could play on a BIG front line along with Thad Young or they can bring Gordon off the bench in place of Thad Young.

    That’s what I would do.  If they don’t need Evan Turner (which they probably won’t) then they can trade him for some shooters.

     

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  • #862581
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    Philly’s DREAM scenario might be Wiggins at 1, 2, or 3, then Aaron Gordon with the Pelicans’ pick.

    Wiggins and MCW would be a great backcourt with a possible three guard lineup of MCW, Wiggins, and Tony Wroten.  Evan Turner could stay as a 6th man or they could trade him.

    Then Aaron Gordon would be a great athlete at the 4 to complement the center rotation of Nerlens Noel and Spencer Hawes.  Gordon could play on a BIG front line along with Thad Young or they can bring Gordon off the bench in place of Thad Young.

    That’s what I would do.  If they don’t need Evan Turner (which they probably won’t) then they can trade him for some shooters.

     

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  • #862476
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    I wonder how high Marcus Smart is on most guys’ boards?  I could see him as high as 2 or as low as 5 or 6.

     

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    • #862494
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      My guess is that teams have mixed opinions on him like you said. I’d guess probably 3-6 for most teams.  Personally, he’s my #6, and could fall a bit if guys like Vonleh, Gordon, or LaVine show a lot of progression as the season goes on, but I’m admittedly not really a fan of Smart as a prospect.  He’s firmly after Wiggins, Embiid, Exum, Jabari, and Randle for me, but I’m sure teams will fall in love with some of his intangibles and defense.

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    • #862601
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      My guess is that teams have mixed opinions on him like you said. I’d guess probably 3-6 for most teams.  Personally, he’s my #6, and could fall a bit if guys like Vonleh, Gordon, or LaVine show a lot of progression as the season goes on, but I’m admittedly not really a fan of Smart as a prospect.  He’s firmly after Wiggins, Embiid, Exum, Jabari, and Randle for me, but I’m sure teams will fall in love with some of his intangibles and defense.

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    • #862515
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      I have him as a top 4 lock…… Could see him going 2, not 1 though

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    • #862621
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      jwall1
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      I have him as a top 4 lock…… Could see him going 2, not 1 though

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  • #862583
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    I wonder how high Marcus Smart is on most guys’ boards?  I could see him as high as 2 or as low as 5 or 6.

     

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  • #862500
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    Wiggins goes 1st and Embiid goes 2nd (Or Vice Versa) in this scenario and Parker falls right into the 76er’s lap with the 3rd pick, they’d let 2 GM’s potentially over think the process while they’d wait in the wings for the right fit (Which is clearly Jabarri Parker for Philadelphia)

    The 76ers get the best scorer in the Draft and still have the Pelicans pick to play with, their dream scenario would have Gordon/Randle or Smart fall into their laps as well…They would absolutely be the winners of the Draft if they get Jabarri Parker and  Gordon/Randle or Smart with the Pelicans pick somehow

     

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    • #862513
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       Yea but I would be absolutely shocked if Jabari fell outside of the top 2…..

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    • #862619
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       Yea but I would be absolutely shocked if Jabari fell outside of the top 2…..

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  • #862607
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    Wiggins goes 1st and Embiid goes 2nd (Or Vice Versa) in this scenario and Parker falls right into the 76er’s lap with the 3rd pick, they’d let 2 GM’s potentially over think the process while they’d wait in the wings for the right fit (Which is clearly Jabarri Parker for Philadelphia)

    The 76ers get the best scorer in the Draft and still have the Pelicans pick to play with, their dream scenario would have Gordon/Randle or Smart fall into their laps as well…They would absolutely be the winners of the Draft if they get Jabarri Parker and  Gordon/Randle or Smart with the Pelicans pick somehow

     

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  • #862531
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     I actually agree with Bane that Wiggins to the Sixers doesn’t make a ton of sense. I would think having Noel and Embiid would be pretty menacing, and you would have the athletic ability to guard 4s with those two playing together also.

    I also think Parker would be a better option than Wiggins just because the Sixers have had a ton of players who can’t shoot and are athletic over recent history, and having a guy who can spread the floor and create offense would be a valuable asset to them. 

    I know I’m the probably the most anti-Wiggins person on the planet (and its entirely based on what i have seen, I have no problem with him) but even I admit he seems like a natural fit with Orlando.

    Whoever plays best in the tourney will probably have the edge, because that always is A. impulsive, and B. a good indicator of how these players have improved over the season. 

    I still wouldn’t count out Exum or Randle for going in the top 3. 

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #862636
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     I actually agree with Bane that Wiggins to the Sixers doesn’t make a ton of sense. I would think having Noel and Embiid would be pretty menacing, and you would have the athletic ability to guard 4s with those two playing together also.

    I also think Parker would be a better option than Wiggins just because the Sixers have had a ton of players who can’t shoot and are athletic over recent history, and having a guy who can spread the floor and create offense would be a valuable asset to them. 

    I know I’m the probably the most anti-Wiggins person on the planet (and its entirely based on what i have seen, I have no problem with him) but even I admit he seems like a natural fit with Orlando.

    Whoever plays best in the tourney will probably have the edge, because that always is A. impulsive, and B. a good indicator of how these players have improved over the season. 

    I still wouldn’t count out Exum or Randle for going in the top 3. 

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #862594
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    The three guys distancing themselves from the pack are Embiid, Wiggins and Parker. The Bucks can’t go wrong with any one of them IMO, but Embiid would probably be the smartest. High risk, but high reward. Anything to get rid of Larry Sanders lol.

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  • #862700
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    The three guys distancing themselves from the pack are Embiid, Wiggins and Parker. The Bucks can’t go wrong with any one of them IMO, but Embiid would probably be the smartest. High risk, but high reward. Anything to get rid of Larry Sanders lol.

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  • #862606
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    This is the first time in a while that the top pick isn’t as clear cut in a heavy and deep draft.

    Year after year, there always seem to be the leader of the pack.  Of course, last season was an exception, but it wasn’t because the draft was so stacked, it was because nobody was really "good" enough to be a #1 pick, if you will.

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  • #862713
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    This is the first time in a while that the top pick isn’t as clear cut in a heavy and deep draft.

    Year after year, there always seem to be the leader of the pack.  Of course, last season was an exception, but it wasn’t because the draft was so stacked, it was because nobody was really "good" enough to be a #1 pick, if you will.

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  • #862745
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    I am of the belief that the Draft lottery is rigged (to a certain extent).  But, even if it is not, the Jazz are a very likely Top 3 pick in the 2014 Draft.  I have seen all over the internet that people believe the Bulls, if they do decide to get the memo and start tanking, would end up getting Jabari Parker because he is a Chicago kid.  I have to say, the fact the he is a devout Mormon makes him a unique and ideal fit in Salt Lake City.  I cannot remember another Mormon NBA All-Star (potenially, of course).  It actually makes more sense to link him to the Jazz than the Bulls, because there are plenty of studs coming out of Chicago High Schools (take a look at the top of the 2015 draft, there are two big men that are gonna be beasts) but VERY few Mormons. 

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  • #862639
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    I am of the belief that the Draft lottery is rigged (to a certain extent).  But, even if it is not, the Jazz are a very likely Top 3 pick in the 2014 Draft.  I have seen all over the internet that people believe the Bulls, if they do decide to get the memo and start tanking, would end up getting Jabari Parker because he is a Chicago kid.  I have to say, the fact the he is a devout Mormon makes him a unique and ideal fit in Salt Lake City.  I cannot remember another Mormon NBA All-Star (potenially, of course).  It actually makes more sense to link him to the Jazz than the Bulls, because there are plenty of studs coming out of Chicago High Schools (take a look at the top of the 2015 draft, there are two big men that are gonna be beasts) but VERY few Mormons. 

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