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- Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 5:08pm #52999
Mad MaxParticipantFor some reason this site ranked Emiid over everyone except Parker, that includes Randle, Smart, Exum and fellow teammate, Andew Wiggins, who is the most hyped player since LeBron.
Well tonight (in 2nd straight loss at Florida) Wiggins had 26 points, and 11 rebouns and Emiid had 6 points and 6 rebounds, and got worked by Patrick Young.
So, can we move on from this phase of "OMG Emiid is so big!!!!" please? Wiggins just showed why NBA teams are tanking to get a chance at him (and Parker, Smart and Randle)
You’re welcome.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 5:21pm #855839
Jayhawks2011ParticipantYes, he probably should not be 2nd, but if you watched that game you can understand why he is seen as that type of a prospect. He had a bunch of great moves in the post trouble finishing a little. Also he had a couple big blocks. He is gonna be a stud.
On a side note Wiggins hit four threes tonight and some of them were very difficult shots when Kansas was in desperation mode. He showed he has the ability to shoot deep. Now he just needs to develop his consistancy.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 5:21pm #855732
Jayhawks2011ParticipantYes, he probably should not be 2nd, but if you watched that game you can understand why he is seen as that type of a prospect. He had a bunch of great moves in the post trouble finishing a little. Also he had a couple big blocks. He is gonna be a stud.
On a side note Wiggins hit four threes tonight and some of them were very difficult shots when Kansas was in desperation mode. He showed he has the ability to shoot deep. Now he just needs to develop his consistancy.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 5:27pm #855841
Mad MaxParticipantmy point isn’t that Emiid is bad, it’s there are a lot of other really good players, who are better
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 5:27pm #855734
Mad MaxParticipantmy point isn’t that Emiid is bad, it’s there are a lot of other really good players, who are better
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 5:34pm #855843
Lafferty DanielParticipantStill Wiggins, Parker, Smart for me. Then Embiid.
Like Jayhawks2011 said, it’s easy to see why Embiid is a top prospect. Sure he’s considered a bigger risk, but that upside is through the roof. If I’m a GM that needs a C, I would definitely consider taking him #1 overall.
Imagine Embiid in last year’s draft. No doubt he goes #1, even with Cleveland picking. Remember when there was talk a few weeks before the draft that Alex Len had a legit shot to get picked 1st? Just another reason why the 2014 draft class has a chance to be historic. Enjoy!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 5:34pm #855736
Lafferty DanielParticipantStill Wiggins, Parker, Smart for me. Then Embiid.
Like Jayhawks2011 said, it’s easy to see why Embiid is a top prospect. Sure he’s considered a bigger risk, but that upside is through the roof. If I’m a GM that needs a C, I would definitely consider taking him #1 overall.
Imagine Embiid in last year’s draft. No doubt he goes #1, even with Cleveland picking. Remember when there was talk a few weeks before the draft that Alex Len had a legit shot to get picked 1st? Just another reason why the 2014 draft class has a chance to be historic. Enjoy!
0- Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:49pm #855871
LitteringAnd…ParticipantCouldn’t agree more. I think people are really forgetting about Smart because he’s not a freshman making a big impact, I think it’s a lot like voter fatigue, people know he’s good but they’re more interested in what’s up next. To me Wiggins potential and Parkers all-round game have them at one and two. I’d then take Smart who I think is a real James Harden skill set/CP3 "my team has to win" kind of guy.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:49pm #855764
LitteringAnd…ParticipantCouldn’t agree more. I think people are really forgetting about Smart because he’s not a freshman making a big impact, I think it’s a lot like voter fatigue, people know he’s good but they’re more interested in what’s up next. To me Wiggins potential and Parkers all-round game have them at one and two. I’d then take Smart who I think is a real James Harden skill set/CP3 "my team has to win" kind of guy.
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- Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:00pm #855845
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantI don’t watch alot (or any) KU games, why does he play so little?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:00pm #855738
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantI don’t watch alot (or any) KU games, why does he play so little?
0- Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:13pm #855849
SiggyParticipantHe didn’t start until tonight, he’s gotten into foul trouble and he probably isn’t ready for extended run.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:13pm #855742
SiggyParticipantHe didn’t start until tonight, he’s gotten into foul trouble and he probably isn’t ready for extended run.
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- Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:11pm #855847
SiggyParticipantEmbiid has been playing basketball for 3 years. He shows some really advanced stuff for a big with his level of experience. He also appears to be a sponge and quick to incorporate things that he learns. His rate of improvement has been tremendous. Now picture in 3 years if he improves at the same rate.
People are high on him because of what he could be, not because of what he is currently. Usually players who are said to have super high ceilings are just physical freaks. Not only does Embiid have great tools but he appears to have the mind too.
One game shouldn’t change your opinion of what he could be long-term.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:11pm #855740
SiggyParticipantEmbiid has been playing basketball for 3 years. He shows some really advanced stuff for a big with his level of experience. He also appears to be a sponge and quick to incorporate things that he learns. His rate of improvement has been tremendous. Now picture in 3 years if he improves at the same rate.
People are high on him because of what he could be, not because of what he is currently. Usually players who are said to have super high ceilings are just physical freaks. Not only does Embiid have great tools but he appears to have the mind too.
One game shouldn’t change your opinion of what he could be long-term.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:31pm #855859
Toronto16ParticipantIt was foolish for this site to ever have Embiid ranked over Wiggins. The only guy who has a chance to be picked over Wiggins is Parker. They are a step above everyone else in this class.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:31pm #855752
Toronto16ParticipantIt was foolish for this site to ever have Embiid ranked over Wiggins. The only guy who has a chance to be picked over Wiggins is Parker. They are a step above everyone else in this class.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:39pm #855865
Ghost01ParticipantA few things –
First, every draft pundit/ person on this website needs to stop hyping Embiid number 1 or number 2. He’s a razor thin center that is raw. The odds of him becoming Hakeem are slim to none. Even if he reaches potential, you are probably getting a 2nd tier all star, and in today’s NBA, how many big men stars are there? Very few. He isn’t going in the top 2. Parker and Wiggins are. I guarantee that.
And Wiggins – I don’t get this kids mentality. He is so unassertive and awful in the first halves of games, it doesn’t make any sense to me. All he does is pass it around and shoot an occasional 3 that usually bricks. Then suddenly when KU is down late he starts "trying" and usually racks up a ton of points late. He needs to learn to be aggressive from the jump, so KU doesn’t get down so damn much. He also needs to cool it with the turnovers, ironically he isn’t aggressive and then when he is he forces some plays in odd man situations he doesn’t need to.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:39pm #855758
Ghost01ParticipantA few things –
First, every draft pundit/ person on this website needs to stop hyping Embiid number 1 or number 2. He’s a razor thin center that is raw. The odds of him becoming Hakeem are slim to none. Even if he reaches potential, you are probably getting a 2nd tier all star, and in today’s NBA, how many big men stars are there? Very few. He isn’t going in the top 2. Parker and Wiggins are. I guarantee that.
And Wiggins – I don’t get this kids mentality. He is so unassertive and awful in the first halves of games, it doesn’t make any sense to me. All he does is pass it around and shoot an occasional 3 that usually bricks. Then suddenly when KU is down late he starts "trying" and usually racks up a ton of points late. He needs to learn to be aggressive from the jump, so KU doesn’t get down so damn much. He also needs to cool it with the turnovers, ironically he isn’t aggressive and then when he is he forces some plays in odd man situations he doesn’t need to.
0- Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:58pm #855873
SiggyParticipantRazor thin? Yeah he does have some strength issues, but he’s already 250 lbs and he’s never lifted weights until this year. That’s a solid physical foundation for a 7’er. He’s not completely raw either. Raw centers don’t look comfortable in the post at this stage of their development. Embiid does and he’s shown more advanced stuff that you wouldn’t expect from a player who’s been playing as long as he has, like: post counters, post passing, ability to turn over either shoulder and outlet passing.
The Hakeem comparison I agree is lazy. They share a similar back story, but are physically different. He’s just scratching the surface though. He’s got the physical base, a basic set of skills and he appears to have the mind to learn and think on his feet.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 6:58pm #855766
SiggyParticipantRazor thin? Yeah he does have some strength issues, but he’s already 250 lbs and he’s never lifted weights until this year. That’s a solid physical foundation for a 7’er. He’s not completely raw either. Raw centers don’t look comfortable in the post at this stage of their development. Embiid does and he’s shown more advanced stuff that you wouldn’t expect from a player who’s been playing as long as he has, like: post counters, post passing, ability to turn over either shoulder and outlet passing.
The Hakeem comparison I agree is lazy. They share a similar back story, but are physically different. He’s just scratching the surface though. He’s got the physical base, a basic set of skills and he appears to have the mind to learn and think on his feet.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 8:13am #855824
mikeyvthedonParticipantNow, when Wiggins is actually hitting J’s, he is turnover prone and forcing the issue. I agree that he had some issues last night with a few bad passes. However, it is sort of hard to blame what happened completely on him. They were having a hard enough time getting the ball to anyone, open or otherwise, during a really long stretch in the first half. Wiggins possibly could have done more to get open, but he still finished the first half with 8 points.
In the 2nd half, he was much more aggressive and obviously played better, just do not get questioning his mentality considering how these last two games have gone. He got into foul trouble during the 1st half of the Colorado game and barely played, something young kids sometimes do. Than, he tries to do whatever it takes to get his team back. Did the same thing last night when his entire team was being baffled by the zone.
KU has been getting killed by the zone and in turn, people turn it into the zone stopping Wiggins. If anything, Wiggins has been the only person who has done something to break the zone the past couple of games and keep Kansas in these tough road games. I do not hear anyone saying things about how quiet supposed practice superstars Perry Ellis and Wayne Selden have been.
Perry has gone 7-9 from the field in his last two games, impressive on paper. However, was this not supposed to be KU’s leading scorer? He has 0 FT attempts the last two games! Blame that on Wiggins, though I do not think you really can. The "more college ready" (know you did not say this, but Jeff Goodman certainly did) Wayne Selden has also had two clunkers and was a non-factor last night. Safe to say, while Andrew Wiggins could have demanded the ball more in the early game, he certainly has not gotten much help from the major players in the last two L’s.
Kansas in an incredibly young team and I thought they could start out with some losses. Their schedule is ridiculous, I thought they were going to lose to Duke, maybe win Battle 4 Atlantis than have a tough time going on the road against two good teams. Florida got a great performance from Wilbekin and had so much more experience, they baffled and trapped Kansas’ guards.
I do not think Wiggins was not playing hard as much as they could not get anyone the freaking ball in good spots. Partly on Wiggins, though I saw some prime possible post touches when he had a mismatch with Wilbekin where they just could not figure it out. He forced some bad passes, but I thought he took good shots and those late three’s were pretty damn impressive. 6 of his 7 shots were indeed jumpers, with a couple nice stepbacks and pull-ups.
If you really want to harp on him, harp on what happened in Battle 4 Atlantis. Their he really was not aggressive and not playing well. The zone hurt him and he was stifled by UTEP’s box and 1. Just think it is hard to question his mentality after these last two games, especially yesterday when he was about the only bright spot when it came to trying to deal with the zone.
Consistency has been an issue as far as putting together a complete game, just think if you are blaming him alone for Kansas being behind in the first place, he is having a hard time getting help. Say I am being an apologist, just think that your quibbles with him are not completely justified and you seem to be grasping at straws when laying it on him and not looking at his entire situation right now. He had a poor tournament, he was sick, though not making excuses in saying he was passive and a little soft.
In these last two, though, he has shown some flashes. Very few college freshman look amazing every game they play. Even Randle and Jabari have had a couple clunkers thus far, not to mention turn the ball over and force the issue way more than Wiggins (especially Julius). What I find strangest about your latest criticism is where exactly do you feel Wiggins will be going in the draft and who, other than Jabari Parker, do you feel shows more NBA potential?
When you question a few things, that is alright, but questioning someones mentality after two games where he did his best to keep his team in the game, hard for me to figure it out. I guess you want consistency, just think that also goes along with everyone on the team playing their role as well. Which has not been the case in these last two losses.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 2:14pm #855866
Ghost01ParticipantI want to see the best prospect since LeBron. The "no doubt" number one pick. Right now he just looks like a good freshmen with a ton of upside. Sorry my standards are too high for him. You can’t just perform in spurts every game. Have a big 5 minute stretch near the end of a game you are about to lose.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 4:39pm #855898
bobsandersParticipantI think it’s important to remember that rankings and scouting in general are just snapshots trying to project the future from one point in time. Yes Wiggins had a lot of hype, but so did sebastian telfair and deshawn stevenson, just last year Shabazz and Noel were ranked a clear 1-2 before college. When they enter college we have to reassess and can’t let past hype dictate how we feel about a player. I think the reason people see the upside (beyond the production, whch as you said has been good with spurts of great) is that in the NBA there is a lot more spacing, and space is where athletes like Wiggins shine. So yeah, he might not be an absolute consensus #1 pick, but I think that speaks more to the incredible talent he’s competing against than any deficiencies of his. I know he can’t disappoint me unless he fails to be a great player 5 years from now.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 4:39pm #856005
bobsandersParticipantI think it’s important to remember that rankings and scouting in general are just snapshots trying to project the future from one point in time. Yes Wiggins had a lot of hype, but so did sebastian telfair and deshawn stevenson, just last year Shabazz and Noel were ranked a clear 1-2 before college. When they enter college we have to reassess and can’t let past hype dictate how we feel about a player. I think the reason people see the upside (beyond the production, whch as you said has been good with spurts of great) is that in the NBA there is a lot more spacing, and space is where athletes like Wiggins shine. So yeah, he might not be an absolute consensus #1 pick, but I think that speaks more to the incredible talent he’s competing against than any deficiencies of his. I know he can’t disappoint me unless he fails to be a great player 5 years from now.
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- Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 2:14pm #855973
Ghost01ParticipantI want to see the best prospect since LeBron. The "no doubt" number one pick. Right now he just looks like a good freshmen with a ton of upside. Sorry my standards are too high for him. You can’t just perform in spurts every game. Have a big 5 minute stretch near the end of a game you are about to lose.
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- Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 8:13am #855931
mikeyvthedonParticipantNow, when Wiggins is actually hitting J’s, he is turnover prone and forcing the issue. I agree that he had some issues last night with a few bad passes. However, it is sort of hard to blame what happened completely on him. They were having a hard enough time getting the ball to anyone, open or otherwise, during a really long stretch in the first half. Wiggins possibly could have done more to get open, but he still finished the first half with 8 points.
In the 2nd half, he was much more aggressive and obviously played better, just do not get questioning his mentality considering how these last two games have gone. He got into foul trouble during the 1st half of the Colorado game and barely played, something young kids sometimes do. Than, he tries to do whatever it takes to get his team back. Did the same thing last night when his entire team was being baffled by the zone.
KU has been getting killed by the zone and in turn, people turn it into the zone stopping Wiggins. If anything, Wiggins has been the only person who has done something to break the zone the past couple of games and keep Kansas in these tough road games. I do not hear anyone saying things about how quiet supposed practice superstars Perry Ellis and Wayne Selden have been.
Perry has gone 7-9 from the field in his last two games, impressive on paper. However, was this not supposed to be KU’s leading scorer? He has 0 FT attempts the last two games! Blame that on Wiggins, though I do not think you really can. The "more college ready" (know you did not say this, but Jeff Goodman certainly did) Wayne Selden has also had two clunkers and was a non-factor last night. Safe to say, while Andrew Wiggins could have demanded the ball more in the early game, he certainly has not gotten much help from the major players in the last two L’s.
Kansas in an incredibly young team and I thought they could start out with some losses. Their schedule is ridiculous, I thought they were going to lose to Duke, maybe win Battle 4 Atlantis than have a tough time going on the road against two good teams. Florida got a great performance from Wilbekin and had so much more experience, they baffled and trapped Kansas’ guards.
I do not think Wiggins was not playing hard as much as they could not get anyone the freaking ball in good spots. Partly on Wiggins, though I saw some prime possible post touches when he had a mismatch with Wilbekin where they just could not figure it out. He forced some bad passes, but I thought he took good shots and those late three’s were pretty damn impressive. 6 of his 7 shots were indeed jumpers, with a couple nice stepbacks and pull-ups.
If you really want to harp on him, harp on what happened in Battle 4 Atlantis. Their he really was not aggressive and not playing well. The zone hurt him and he was stifled by UTEP’s box and 1. Just think it is hard to question his mentality after these last two games, especially yesterday when he was about the only bright spot when it came to trying to deal with the zone.
Consistency has been an issue as far as putting together a complete game, just think if you are blaming him alone for Kansas being behind in the first place, he is having a hard time getting help. Say I am being an apologist, just think that your quibbles with him are not completely justified and you seem to be grasping at straws when laying it on him and not looking at his entire situation right now. He had a poor tournament, he was sick, though not making excuses in saying he was passive and a little soft.
In these last two, though, he has shown some flashes. Very few college freshman look amazing every game they play. Even Randle and Jabari have had a couple clunkers thus far, not to mention turn the ball over and force the issue way more than Wiggins (especially Julius). What I find strangest about your latest criticism is where exactly do you feel Wiggins will be going in the draft and who, other than Jabari Parker, do you feel shows more NBA potential?
When you question a few things, that is alright, but questioning someones mentality after two games where he did his best to keep his team in the game, hard for me to figure it out. I guess you want consistency, just think that also goes along with everyone on the team playing their role as well. Which has not been the case in these last two losses.
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- Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 7:16pm #855875
AmiableBaller34ParticipantOn Wiggins: I think Dicky V put it perfectly tonight when he said "Wiggins is just trying to fit in with his team mates", and I think this is pretty obvious when watching him play. Like in the NBA the era of ball domiant players is coming to an end, so it’s refreshing to see the top recruits play team ball even if I think they should be a little more aggressive.
On Embiid: This was really the first time I saw him play from start to finish, and for the most part I was impressed. He has a couple moves in the post that were crafty, and he had one block in particular that had me jumping off my couch. I guess he studies film of Jeff Whithey and other great collegiate centers, so if he puts the time in on and off the court then I don’t see why he couldn’t be a good NBA player.
I also don’t think this is the game to use when formulating an opinion of either of these playes. The Kansas guards today were dreadful, and that 1-3-1 zone ate them alive. They could barely get the ball inside at times, and that’s indicative of the 24 turnovers they had as a team. To be honest, I was shocked that the game was that close at the end.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 7:16pm #855768
AmiableBaller34ParticipantOn Wiggins: I think Dicky V put it perfectly tonight when he said "Wiggins is just trying to fit in with his team mates", and I think this is pretty obvious when watching him play. Like in the NBA the era of ball domiant players is coming to an end, so it’s refreshing to see the top recruits play team ball even if I think they should be a little more aggressive.
On Embiid: This was really the first time I saw him play from start to finish, and for the most part I was impressed. He has a couple moves in the post that were crafty, and he had one block in particular that had me jumping off my couch. I guess he studies film of Jeff Whithey and other great collegiate centers, so if he puts the time in on and off the court then I don’t see why he couldn’t be a good NBA player.
I also don’t think this is the game to use when formulating an opinion of either of these playes. The Kansas guards today were dreadful, and that 1-3-1 zone ate them alive. They could barely get the ball inside at times, and that’s indicative of the 24 turnovers they had as a team. To be honest, I was shocked that the game was that close at the end.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 8:36pm #855881
Magic JordanParticipantThe real story is the Kansas guards more specifically Frank Mason Jr. He has been beyond awful, I know there are growing pains from freshman especially point guards, but he has shown me nothing to lead me to believe he will be anything besides a four year player. He can’t shoot, he makes terrible decisions, isn’t extremely athletic, makes lazy passes… I could go on.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 8:36pm #855774
Magic JordanParticipantThe real story is the Kansas guards more specifically Frank Mason Jr. He has been beyond awful, I know there are growing pains from freshman especially point guards, but he has shown me nothing to lead me to believe he will be anything besides a four year player. He can’t shoot, he makes terrible decisions, isn’t extremely athletic, makes lazy passes… I could go on.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 11:09pm #855891
ItsRainingNegsParticipantYup
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/10/2013 - 11:09pm #855784
ItsRainingNegsParticipantYup
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 2:48am #855895
M.GarveyParticipantWiggins plays big when the competition gets tough. He needs to start slapping around the weaker teams. No more 13 and 5 against Towson or whomever.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 2:48am #855788
M.GarveyParticipantWiggins plays big when the competition gets tough. He needs to start slapping around the weaker teams. No more 13 and 5 against Towson or whomever.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 3:42am #855899
canada2482ParticipantI think when ppl see the size they get excited about Joel, he has a lot of tools that you want from a center, can cover pick n roll, protect the basket, good foot work in the post, runs the floor etc. He has been playing for 3 yrs etc. You cant teach size etc. I think the reason they moved him over wiggins was wiggins had a few back to back bad games when he was sick and in those games Joel played reall well in those games. His potential is as high as anyone in this years draft.Based on the size,athletic ability,limited basketball exp and how far he has come so soon etc. Center is the weakest position in the league, reasons why they removed the C position basically on the All-Star ballot. Reason Why a Center who can give you 12/8 is a premium now and more than likely will get a big contract if they are 5yrs or less in the league
In regards to wiggins he is ‘not trying’ as people stated and is avg16/8 Ill take that not trying. People want him to have a killer mindset like kobe, mj etc. Ask yourself how long ago we were asking the best player on the planet Lebron to have the same mindset? how long did it take for him to not only develope it and understand what that meand. A mindset like that takes time it is rare for and 18yr olds to come in with that.
I am going Wiggins,Parker,Smart than Randle for me after that its open to who is next. If I am thinking potential down the rd Joel would be next in line
SN-Wayne S looked awful last night, I thought there was a high chance he would be 1 and done coming into the year-he plays under control but sometimes is too cool outside of the Duke game I havent really seen him play ‘motivated’
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 3:42am #855792
canada2482ParticipantI think when ppl see the size they get excited about Joel, he has a lot of tools that you want from a center, can cover pick n roll, protect the basket, good foot work in the post, runs the floor etc. He has been playing for 3 yrs etc. You cant teach size etc. I think the reason they moved him over wiggins was wiggins had a few back to back bad games when he was sick and in those games Joel played reall well in those games. His potential is as high as anyone in this years draft.Based on the size,athletic ability,limited basketball exp and how far he has come so soon etc. Center is the weakest position in the league, reasons why they removed the C position basically on the All-Star ballot. Reason Why a Center who can give you 12/8 is a premium now and more than likely will get a big contract if they are 5yrs or less in the league
In regards to wiggins he is ‘not trying’ as people stated and is avg16/8 Ill take that not trying. People want him to have a killer mindset like kobe, mj etc. Ask yourself how long ago we were asking the best player on the planet Lebron to have the same mindset? how long did it take for him to not only develope it and understand what that meand. A mindset like that takes time it is rare for and 18yr olds to come in with that.
I am going Wiggins,Parker,Smart than Randle for me after that its open to who is next. If I am thinking potential down the rd Joel would be next in line
SN-Wayne S looked awful last night, I thought there was a high chance he would be 1 and done coming into the year-he plays under control but sometimes is too cool outside of the Duke game I havent really seen him play ‘motivated’
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 4:25am #855903
TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipantI like Wiggins and Parkers game and demeanor and either one may end up as the #1 pick but a Bynum/Ibaka/(potentially) Bosh hybrid is the real once in a generation athlete of the bunch.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 4:25am #855796
TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipantI like Wiggins and Parkers game and demeanor and either one may end up as the #1 pick but a Bynum/Ibaka/(potentially) Bosh hybrid is the real once in a generation athlete of the bunch.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 4:26am #855905
JoeWolf1He’s so new to the game, and he’s out performing Andre Drummond and Steven Adams at this point in thier careers. Joel is extremely productive and would be more so if KU could demand enough attention as outside shooters, so zone’s wouldn’t sag on him ( something he won’t deal with in the NBA). He’s averaging 8.9 ppg 6.6 rpg and 2.2 blocks in just 20 minutes. I can’t count how many times people have said early into his second season, on this forum that Andre Drummond should have been the 2nd pick. There is a lot of talent in this draft, but Embiid is right up there, whether he’s 1 or whether he’s 5.
KUsports.com did a fantastic piece that nbadraft.net shared on their front page last week that showed the effect Embiid has when he’s on the court. This is a stat based piece, so even though it’s for his college’s website it’s backed up by numbers.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2013/dec/02/opinion-joel-embiid-proves-worth-ku/?mens_basketball
I honestly think Joel will be, on average, a 14 ppg 10 rpg 3 bpg player by the last couple months of the season. If someone takes Parker over him, they’ll probably be okay with it 5 years from now, but I feel Embiid will be among the top prospects in this draft when all is said and done.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 4:26am #855798
JoeWolf1He’s so new to the game, and he’s out performing Andre Drummond and Steven Adams at this point in thier careers. Joel is extremely productive and would be more so if KU could demand enough attention as outside shooters, so zone’s wouldn’t sag on him ( something he won’t deal with in the NBA). He’s averaging 8.9 ppg 6.6 rpg and 2.2 blocks in just 20 minutes. I can’t count how many times people have said early into his second season, on this forum that Andre Drummond should have been the 2nd pick. There is a lot of talent in this draft, but Embiid is right up there, whether he’s 1 or whether he’s 5.
KUsports.com did a fantastic piece that nbadraft.net shared on their front page last week that showed the effect Embiid has when he’s on the court. This is a stat based piece, so even though it’s for his college’s website it’s backed up by numbers.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2013/dec/02/opinion-joel-embiid-proves-worth-ku/?mens_basketball
I honestly think Joel will be, on average, a 14 ppg 10 rpg 3 bpg player by the last couple months of the season. If someone takes Parker over him, they’ll probably be okay with it 5 years from now, but I feel Embiid will be among the top prospects in this draft when all is said and done.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 8:16am #855828
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantFirst, it is going to be hard for Embiid to get to those numbers when he is fouling at the rate he is. He is averaging 4.4 fouls in 21 minutes over the past five games.
Second, he is not Andre Drummond. So many of Drummond’s short comings are mitigated by his physical size and athleticism. He is the biggest player on the floor just about every time he steps on it, and is as athletic as any big man out there as well. Embiid does not have the bulk. Stylistically, he has a different appeal because he will flash offensive abilities Drummond did not, albeit one that if not for the hype around him would just be viewed as run of the mill stuff. Still, the inexperience, rawness, and lack of superior physical gifts are almost certainly going to leave him on a much steeper learning curve.
0- Posted on: Thu, 12/12/2013 - 3:54am #856100
JoeWolf1At his current rate, It would take him about 30 minutes to put up those numbers, and I feel that in two and a half months he will be able to play close to that amount. That’s fine if you disagree, but he played 28 and 30 minutes in his last two games, and I feel as he improves and gets used to better non coference and Big 12 competition he’ll be able to stay on the court longer. I also have to think KU will figure out zone defense and free him up in the middle.
He is not Andre Drummond, but he is that kind of special combinaiton of size, speed and athletic ability. No, he’s not 280 lbs, but he’s already 250 lbs and could easily carry 275 by the time he hits 21. Where Drummond is a bulldozer, Embiid has agility and quick feet that would make him very hard to handle in one on situations a few years down the line.
If Drummond is a "10" as far as being gifted athletically for a 7 footer, Embiid is an "8" it’s not like he’s Brian Butch having a productive freshman year. Andre had also been playing basketball since he was a kid. I think from a skillset standpoint Embiid’s upside is far greater than Drummond. No, Joel doesn’t look like a guy with a 14 or 15 rpg ceiling like Andre has, but he looks like a guy who could score 18 or 20 ppg if he puts all things together.
He may not be Drummond, but he’s on that level. 7′ 7’5” wingspan, already holding 250 lbs at 19 years old and very agile. My main point being, when he’s on the court, he’s more productive than Drummond was at that stage in his career. He may not be a lean 280, but he scores, rebounds, and blocks shots at a higher rate than a freshman Andre Drummond…and he’s new to the game. His continued improvement is key to how good he is, but those are great signs going forward IMO.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/12/2013 - 3:54am #855994
JoeWolf1At his current rate, It would take him about 30 minutes to put up those numbers, and I feel that in two and a half months he will be able to play close to that amount. That’s fine if you disagree, but he played 28 and 30 minutes in his last two games, and I feel as he improves and gets used to better non coference and Big 12 competition he’ll be able to stay on the court longer. I also have to think KU will figure out zone defense and free him up in the middle.
He is not Andre Drummond, but he is that kind of special combinaiton of size, speed and athletic ability. No, he’s not 280 lbs, but he’s already 250 lbs and could easily carry 275 by the time he hits 21. Where Drummond is a bulldozer, Embiid has agility and quick feet that would make him very hard to handle in one on situations a few years down the line.
If Drummond is a "10" as far as being gifted athletically for a 7 footer, Embiid is an "8" it’s not like he’s Brian Butch having a productive freshman year. Andre had also been playing basketball since he was a kid. I think from a skillset standpoint Embiid’s upside is far greater than Drummond. No, Joel doesn’t look like a guy with a 14 or 15 rpg ceiling like Andre has, but he looks like a guy who could score 18 or 20 ppg if he puts all things together.
He may not be Drummond, but he’s on that level. 7′ 7’5” wingspan, already holding 250 lbs at 19 years old and very agile. My main point being, when he’s on the court, he’s more productive than Drummond was at that stage in his career. He may not be a lean 280, but he scores, rebounds, and blocks shots at a higher rate than a freshman Andre Drummond…and he’s new to the game. His continued improvement is key to how good he is, but those are great signs going forward IMO.
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- Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 8:16am #855935
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantFirst, it is going to be hard for Embiid to get to those numbers when he is fouling at the rate he is. He is averaging 4.4 fouls in 21 minutes over the past five games.
Second, he is not Andre Drummond. So many of Drummond’s short comings are mitigated by his physical size and athleticism. He is the biggest player on the floor just about every time he steps on it, and is as athletic as any big man out there as well. Embiid does not have the bulk. Stylistically, he has a different appeal because he will flash offensive abilities Drummond did not, albeit one that if not for the hype around him would just be viewed as run of the mill stuff. Still, the inexperience, rawness, and lack of superior physical gifts are almost certainly going to leave him on a much steeper learning curve.
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- Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 7:17am #855816
3aglesParticipantdon’t see him as a better prospect than Andre Drummond. He is a great prospect and Drummond did not produce like Embiid in college at least early on, but Joel Embiid does not move like Andre Drummond. In Drummond you have a guy that is a load down low but can also play passing lanes like a SF, dude has some serious wheels and great instincts for a 7ft-6’11" guy.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/11/2013 - 7:17am #855923
3aglesParticipantdon’t see him as a better prospect than Andre Drummond. He is a great prospect and Drummond did not produce like Embiid in college at least early on, but Joel Embiid does not move like Andre Drummond. In Drummond you have a guy that is a load down low but can also play passing lanes like a SF, dude has some serious wheels and great instincts for a 7ft-6’11" guy.
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