Nerlens Noel visiting Wizards.. Stock slipping?

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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:41pm #49988

BenAgent0
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According to several reports, Nerlens Noels’ stock may be slipping because he may become “red flagged” prior to the draft.
Does him visiting anyone other than the Cavaliers show his stock slipping?
Noel will apparently be visiting with the Wizards, who have the third pick in the draft.. Prior to pre-draft workouts, Noel wasn’t even supposed to visit with any teams other than Cleveland.
http://wizofawes.com/2013/06/12/top-prospects-visiting/
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:54pm #795976

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Question is if you are the Cavs do you decide to take a chance with Otto Porter, cause I personally wouldn’t take Noel, with the first pick? I would trade it off for a veteran.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:36am #796321
  
  wrector
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  I don’t think there’s really any chance involved with Porter, his floor and ceiling are both pretty clear.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:36am #796391
  
  wrector
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  I don’t think there’s really any chance involved with Porter, his floor and ceiling are both pretty clear.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:54pm #796047

lisergx
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Question is if you are the Cavs do you decide to take a chance with Otto Porter, cause I personally wouldn’t take Noel, with the first pick? I would trade it off for a veteran.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:56pm #795972

Chilbert arenas
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He was never the unanimous #1 pick so it’s not surprising. It’s a year that has no clear cut #1 so it shouldn’t be considered “slipping” if he goes #3.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:56pm #796043

Chilbert arenas
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He was never the unanimous #1 pick so it’s not surprising. It’s a year that has no clear cut #1 so it shouldn’t be considered “slipping” if he goes #3.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:58pm #795974

Spacegrass
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I saw a picture of Noel working out bench pressing and the injured knee does not look good in the picture. It looks like the knee of Frankenstein. All swollen and bulky with a rough looking scar. It won’t post but here is the link.
http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/nerlens-workout.jpg
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:24pm #796008
  
  BenAgent0
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  ouch, that looks hideous..
  It’s such a difficult situation. Although Cleveland is picking first, they certainly wont have the easiest decision. How can you pass on a guy with as much potential as Noel though? It’s nearly impossible.
  His injuries are so concerning, but passing on him for Otto Porter (who I love btw) would be so tough..
  I’d definitely look for trade options. I’m sure some teams would entertain the trade.. (Kevin Love, DeMarcus Cousins, Greg Monroe?)
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  - Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:44pm #796070
    
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    Pistons won’t give up Monroe for a draft pick. I doubt Min or Sac would either. I think the Cavs are screwed. They might be better off taking Porter or Len. Noel could be the next Oden. Or he could be a stud. It is really 50 50 at this point. Sucks to be the Cavs.
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  - Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:44pm #796141
    
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    Pistons won’t give up Monroe for a draft pick. I doubt Min or Sac would either. I think the Cavs are screwed. They might be better off taking Porter or Len. Noel could be the next Oden. Or he could be a stud. It is really 50 50 at this point. Sucks to be the Cavs.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:24pm #796079
  
  BenAgent0
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  ouch, that looks hideous..
  It’s such a difficult situation. Although Cleveland is picking first, they certainly wont have the easiest decision. How can you pass on a guy with as much potential as Noel though? It’s nearly impossible.
  His injuries are so concerning, but passing on him for Otto Porter (who I love btw) would be so tough..
  I’d definitely look for trade options. I’m sure some teams would entertain the trade.. (Kevin Love, DeMarcus Cousins, Greg Monroe?)
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:02pm #796056
  
  Sewok15
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  I am impressed that skinny Noel is even benching 200 pounds.
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  - Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 8:03pm #796190
    
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    At first I looked a the pick and thought the same. If those were all plates he would be putting up over 300. I looked at the pick a little closer and realized that those are rubber weights and that he isn’t actually benching very much.
    4 25 pound weights
    2 15 pound weights
    1 45 pound bar
    175 total
    Not really that impressive
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  - Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 8:03pm #796120
    
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    At first I looked a the pick and thought the same. If those were all plates he would be putting up over 300. I looked at the pick a little closer and realized that those are rubber weights and that he isn’t actually benching very much.
    4 25 pound weights
    2 15 pound weights
    1 45 pound bar
    175 total
    Not really that impressive
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    - Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:56am #796419
      
      Sewok15
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      I thought all 6 were 25 lbs….good eye.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:56am #796349
      
      Sewok15
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      I thought all 6 were 25 lbs….good eye.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 8:45am #796416
    
    hylandpt
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    That’s not 200 lbs.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 8:45am #796486
    
    hylandpt
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    That’s not 200 lbs.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:02pm #796127
  
  Sewok15
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  I am impressed that skinny Noel is even benching 200 pounds.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:42pm #796078
  
  rjb241
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  ohhhhhhh wow, that things looks horrible………i’d be scared as hell to draft him. Thats the first time ive seen that pic and your right it looks bad. Im no doctor but i wouldn’t assume RGIII knee or D-rose knee looks like that, but maybe it just looks alot worse than it is……….maybe? there are alot of quality players in the draft but without the injury id take noel #1 no doubt. I still have been thinking he may go #1 becuase the sky is the limit, but man, just seeing that thing pre-draft has gotta be scary for the Cavs
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:42pm #796149
  
  rjb241
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  ohhhhhhh wow, that things looks horrible………i’d be scared as hell to draft him. Thats the first time ive seen that pic and your right it looks bad. Im no doctor but i wouldn’t assume RGIII knee or D-rose knee looks like that, but maybe it just looks alot worse than it is……….maybe? there are alot of quality players in the draft but without the injury id take noel #1 no doubt. I still have been thinking he may go #1 becuase the sky is the limit, but man, just seeing that thing pre-draft has gotta be scary for the Cavs
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:58pm #796045

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I saw a picture of Noel working out bench pressing and the injured knee does not look good in the picture. It looks like the knee of Frankenstein. All swollen and bulky with a rough looking scar. It won’t post but here is the link.
http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/nerlens-workout.jpg
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:05pm #796000

rope
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He has already had repeated knee problems. Given his slight frame, he would seem really likely to continue to to have them. I see him as being a “defensive” version of Jonathan Bender, who will be out of the league much sooner than anyone thinks. The odds would seem long that his knee or his body in general would hold up to the abuse it will take in a physical vocation like playing in the NBA.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:05pm #796071

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He has already had repeated knee problems. Given his slight frame, he would seem really likely to continue to to have them. I see him as being a “defensive” version of Jonathan Bender, who will be out of the league much sooner than anyone thinks. The odds would seem long that his knee or his body in general would hold up to the abuse it will take in a physical vocation like playing in the NBA.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:09pm #795992

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he still going top 3 will be back during all-star break poor man Anthony Davis
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:09pm #796063

realkerrykittles30
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he still going top 3 will be back during all-star break poor man Anthony Davis
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:13pm #795994

kyrieTIME002
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For the cavs it comes down to b-mac vs alex len
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:13pm #796065

kyrieTIME002
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For the cavs it comes down to b-mac vs alex len
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:14pm #795998

kyrieTIME002
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How can u say he is poor man davis??? Have u watched either play1?? 1? 1?
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:14pm #796069

kyrieTIME002
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How can u say he is poor man davis??? Have u watched either play1?? 1? 1?
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:20pm #796012

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I wouldn’t touch him if i were a GM in the top 10 let alone the top 3.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:20pm #796083

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I wouldn’t touch him if i were a GM in the top 10 let alone the top 3.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 5:55pm #796050

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I completely agree with sheepish. He has virtually no real basketball skills. His range is about 18 inches, no post game, and a horrible free throw shooter. He relies on his athleticism, which could be fading away due to the ACL injuries. He is also a toothpick. He plays extremely hard and i wish him the best, but I really just dont think hell be a good NBA player
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:16am #796211
  
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  Blocks, steals and dunks are basketball skills. But they all rely on crazy hops. He should get those back. And if he keeps his athleticism he will be a very good NBA player.
  But man, that Knee. I couldn’t pull the trigger at One looking at that knee. Not when there are other potential all stars to take.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:16am #796280
  
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  Blocks, steals and dunks are basketball skills. But they all rely on crazy hops. He should get those back. And if he keeps his athleticism he will be a very good NBA player.
  But man, that Knee. I couldn’t pull the trigger at One looking at that knee. Not when there are other potential all stars to take.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 5:55pm #796121

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I completely agree with sheepish. He has virtually no real basketball skills. His range is about 18 inches, no post game, and a horrible free throw shooter. He relies on his athleticism, which could be fading away due to the ACL injuries. He is also a toothpick. He plays extremely hard and i wish him the best, but I really just dont think hell be a good NBA player
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:33pm #796064

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Personally I’d take Oladipo (Even though he is a very short 3, hes a lock down defender) over B-Mac.
Id also take Porter over Len. Drafting Len would just create more of a log jam at the 4/5 position with Tristan, Zeller, Varejao, Len.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:53pm #796163
  
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  What log jam?
  Thompson is a 4.
  Zeller was drafted late in the draft with the assumption that he’d be a back up. And back up centers are very important.
  Varejao is injury-prone and a trade commodity.
  Len would be there 5 moving forward and could learn a lot from Varejao if he’s still around.
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- Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:53pm #796092
  
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  What log jam?
  Thompson is a 4.
  Zeller was drafted late in the draft with the assumption that he’d be a back up. And back up centers are very important.
  Varejao is injury-prone and a trade commodity.
  Len would be there 5 moving forward and could learn a lot from Varejao if he’s still around.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:33pm #796135

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Personally I’d take Oladipo (Even though he is a very short 3, hes a lock down defender) over B-Mac.
Id also take Porter over Len. Drafting Len would just create more of a log jam at the 4/5 position with Tristan, Zeller, Varejao, Len.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:45pm #796076

Bmore_DC
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Why would the Cavs draft Len #1??? SMH…
Its either McLemore or Porter.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:45pm #796147

Bmore_DC
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Why would the Cavs draft Len #1??? SMH…
Its either McLemore or Porter.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:50pm #796080

Chilbert arenas
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Though I agree with you Jcliff24 that I would rather take Oladipo, I have to disagree with you on that he’s a 3. He’s clearly a two-guard and should not be considered a small forward. If I were a Cavs fan I’d rather have Porter or Mclemore as well, even Zeller. Though I lack faith in Len I would still take him over Noel. There are too many question marks in regards to health about a player who is projected to be the next Larry Sanders. Good luck with that.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:50pm #796151

Chilbert arenas
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Though I agree with you Jcliff24 that I would rather take Oladipo, I have to disagree with you on that he’s a 3. He’s clearly a two-guard and should not be considered a small forward. If I were a Cavs fan I’d rather have Porter or Mclemore as well, even Zeller. Though I lack faith in Len I would still take him over Noel. There are too many question marks in regards to health about a player who is projected to be the next Larry Sanders. Good luck with that.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:52pm #796086

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The Cavs feel like they can win now, and they already have Verejao locked up for awhile. Len is a project and they need a 3.
PG – Irving
SG – Waiters
SF – Porter
PF – Thompson
C – Verejao
Thats not a bad lineup.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:52pm #796157

Bmore_DC
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The Cavs feel like they can win now, and they already have Verejao locked up for awhile. Len is a project and they need a 3.
PG – Irving
SG – Waiters
SF – Porter
PF – Thompson
C – Verejao
Thats not a bad lineup.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:55pm #796165

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I live in Ky so ive caught almost every game the guy played. I think it’s pretty easy to tell he is no where near Anthony Davis level. AD is a pretty special player and i think hes gonna have a really nice NBA career. My take on Nerlens is that hes very very very raw. Almost like someone who has not been playing organized ball very long, but is just so athletic and gifted. I do believe he will always be one of the guys who can’t really make a jumper. In this draft w/o his injury he is pretty much a no brainer #1 for me unless your team is stacked w bigs in which case you could take mclemore/burke/oladipo/porter. With all that being said he is a project, and should it pan out in 4 years youd have one of the best rim protectors in the game, worst case scenario you have a Deandre Jordan. One thing that i love about Noel is his motor, its fantastic, the kid plays very hard, if he can get this injury behind him and continue to add weight and grow as a player i think you get a Larry Sanders type rim protector with a joakim Noah motor.
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Posted on: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:55pm #796094

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I live in Ky so ive caught almost every game the guy played. I think it’s pretty easy to tell he is no where near Anthony Davis level. AD is a pretty special player and i think hes gonna have a really nice NBA career. My take on Nerlens is that hes very very very raw. Almost like someone who has not been playing organized ball very long, but is just so athletic and gifted. I do believe he will always be one of the guys who can’t really make a jumper. In this draft w/o his injury he is pretty much a no brainer #1 for me unless your team is stacked w bigs in which case you could take mclemore/burke/oladipo/porter. With all that being said he is a project, and should it pan out in 4 years youd have one of the best rim protectors in the game, worst case scenario you have a Deandre Jordan. One thing that i love about Noel is his motor, its fantastic, the kid plays very hard, if he can get this injury behind him and continue to add weight and grow as a player i think you get a Larry Sanders type rim protector with a joakim Noah motor.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 12:00am #796179

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With the rash of injuries this year in the league, Bynum’s knees etc, there will be a lot of nervousness around him – not just the ACL but a broken growth plate in high school etc. He may have the curse of Sam Bowie !
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 12:00am #796248

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With the rash of injuries this year in the league, Bynum’s knees etc, there will be a lot of nervousness around him – not just the ACL but a broken growth plate in high school etc. He may have the curse of Sam Bowie !
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 1:55am #796201

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His knee looks terrible. I’d red flag his ass just because of the way that looks. Seriously… I’ve never seen a knee after reconstructive surgery look like that. I mean, maybe like RIGHT after the surgery lol. The fact it still looks THAT swollen at this point is weird. Even his scar looks hideous. They must’ve done his surgery different or something because the scars don’t look like that nowadays. I can like barely even see my insertion points. They’re small and are basically fading.
*Shivers*. I wouldn’t give this kid a lot of guaranteed money.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:19am #796209
  
  Rafter
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  This. Even if you draft him, first of all you’re going have to wait until Christmas time not to mention it’ll take him a month or so to get back up to speed in terms of game fitness. Secondly he may bulk up but for a guy who is projected as a defensive presence, how impactful is his shot blocking and defense going to be? Anthony Davis is a much better all-round defender and yet New Orleans only won six more games and he was being billed as a transcending kind of talent. Noel scares the hell out of me.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:18am #796213
    
    TallmanNYC
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    Winning six more games was impressive. Remember this team played Austin Rivers this year. Rivers was much much worse than anyone they played the year before. Rivers basically canceled out Davis until Rivers got shut down.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:18am #796283
    
    TallmanNYC
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    Winning six more games was impressive. Remember this team played Austin Rivers this year. Rivers was much much worse than anyone they played the year before. Rivers basically canceled out Davis until Rivers got shut down.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:19am #796278
  
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  This. Even if you draft him, first of all you’re going have to wait until Christmas time not to mention it’ll take him a month or so to get back up to speed in terms of game fitness. Secondly he may bulk up but for a guy who is projected as a defensive presence, how impactful is his shot blocking and defense going to be? Anthony Davis is a much better all-round defender and yet New Orleans only won six more games and he was being billed as a transcending kind of talent. Noel scares the hell out of me.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 1:55am #796270

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His knee looks terrible. I’d red flag his ass just because of the way that looks. Seriously… I’ve never seen a knee after reconstructive surgery look like that. I mean, maybe like RIGHT after the surgery lol. The fact it still looks THAT swollen at this point is weird. Even his scar looks hideous. They must’ve done his surgery different or something because the scars don’t look like that nowadays. I can like barely even see my insertion points. They’re small and are basically fading.
*Shivers*. I wouldn’t give this kid a lot of guaranteed money.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:50am #796229

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Like another poster said about the pic of Noel working out, that is only 175 pounds tops for that bench workout. And based on how he has the rack arms extending down each side, then he is strengthening tendons and not necessarily do a typical bench workout. Hell my max is 300 on the bench press, but I can do 400 when I’m doing this exercise to strengthen tendons.
Not hating on Noel, because he is trying to get stronger. Do they do bench press reps at the combine?
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:50am #796298

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Like another poster said about the pic of Noel working out, that is only 175 pounds tops for that bench workout. And based on how he has the rack arms extending down each side, then he is strengthening tendons and not necessarily do a typical bench workout. Hell my max is 300 on the bench press, but I can do 400 when I’m doing this exercise to strengthen tendons.
Not hating on Noel, because he is trying to get stronger. Do they do bench press reps at the combine?
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 3:02am #796233

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Someone from within the Cavs organization told my friend that they’re concerned with the structure of his knee; not the ACL, but something about the actual structure of the knee that leads them to believe he’s going to need microfracture surgery early in his career.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 3:02am #796302

machu46
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Someone from within the Cavs organization told my friend that they’re concerned with the structure of his knee; not the ACL, but something about the actual structure of the knee that leads them to believe he’s going to need microfracture surgery early in his career.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 4:26am #796259

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I’m sorry but to say that Noel has no basketball skills is quite ridiculous. Yes, his shooting and offensive post game need a lot of work but if you actually watched him at kentucky you would not be saying he has no basketball skills. His shot block timing is amazing but most people already know this. He also is a very and I mean very good passer for a big men. His court vision is quite impressive. He also has developed a pretty decent lefty and righty jump hook.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 4:26am #796328

redone1
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I’m sorry but to say that Noel has no basketball skills is quite ridiculous. Yes, his shooting and offensive post game need a lot of work but if you actually watched him at kentucky you would not be saying he has no basketball skills. His shot block timing is amazing but most people already know this. He also is a very and I mean very good passer for a big men. His court vision is quite impressive. He also has developed a pretty decent lefty and righty jump hook.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:05am #796307

Siggy
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The better question for me would be: why hasn’t his stock already slipped?
I’m usually pretty bold with my mocks, but Noel still seems to be the consensus #1 for some reason so I’ve kept him there.
On my big board he wouldn’t be #1, even if he didn’t get injured.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:05am #796377

Siggy
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The better question for me would be: why hasn’t his stock already slipped?
I’m usually pretty bold with my mocks, but Noel still seems to be the consensus #1 for some reason so I’ve kept him there.
On my big board he wouldn’t be #1, even if he didn’t get injured.
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:25am #796313

Brxa
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I think I’m feeling the Len/Karasev USSR combo with the first two picks for the Cavs. They can take a back up PG like Erick Green and another big in the second round. Varejao should be at PF period.
PG – Irving/EGreen
SG – Waiters/Ellington
SF – Karasev/Gee
PF – Thompson/Varejao
C – Len/Zeller
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Posted on: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:25am #796383

Brxa
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I think I’m feeling the Len/Karasev USSR combo with the first two picks for the Cavs. They can take a back up PG like Erick Green and another big in the second round. Varejao should be at PF period.
PG – Irving/EGreen
SG – Waiters/Ellington
SF – Karasev/Gee
PF – Thompson/Varejao
C – Len/Zeller
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