Do people on this site actually know all the NBA players that they argue about and against????

I actually come on here to have some honest debates so that I can learn stuff from other people. I don’t know it all but I do know a lot. It is hard to know everything about every player but I at least know enough about each one. When people talk about draft players I know nothing about like John Bryant, I look them up or youtube them and see at least some thing about their game so I am not totally clueless. That is how I would hope other people do even if I dont agree with them. I remember that I knew Curry from his 2nd year and he seemed to be just a shooter but he played point his Junior year which I did not follow. People were saying that he could not play point. I youtubed his Junior year because I already saw him as a great shooter his sophmore year and I saw some of the passes he made and the timing and I know some of what it takes to be a good point guard. He has all those qualities to be at worst a Gilbert Arenas type point and people were arguing with me because they are so caught up on that he can shoot and did not do their research. Even if I dont see a person play because hey sometimes I am too busy I check stats and then I try to check youtube to see if they display those skill that stats will not tell you in a game situation. Assist numbers dont mean much but Curry has court vision like a point guard and to me that is all he need plus his high basketball IQ to be a good NBA point. Seems like the the GMs in the NBA agree with me because dude is moving up but I am sure some them dont realize how good he will be just like they didnt see how good Sessions could be because to me dude has top 5 point guard skills and abilities. He can pass, shoot, and defend and has size to play the 1 and the 2. He has adequate to good quickness and this is just off the limit of times I saw him. Dude has put up a few triple doubles in his first 2 years and his first year he didnt play much and his second year he had to share with Ridnour.

Knicksfreak you seem to be a numbers guy. You should be able to look at a players skills and skills set and know what they can do if given the chance. Sessions has shown that already. I am a basketball guy I am not a stats guys. On one post you talk about even though Howard’s number are good his lacks of basketball post moves makes him overrated but yet you want Session number and not his skills to say whether he deserves top 5 consideration.

What skills do Session lack that make him not worthy of a top 5 point guard consideration. Have you even seen dude play. He seem to me to be like a quicker Chauncey Billups with more big game potential. He actually has better defensive one on one ability than Billups ever had. How does that not deserve top 5. I have seen your top 5 @Knicksfreak and I would definite take Sessions over Rondo. Rondo can’t shoot. Session can. Rondo has longer arms and maybe more quicker but Sessions has good arm length and is taller and bigger as is still a good defender. They both are good rebounders. They both have triple double potential. The Celtics would be a better team to me if they had Sessions instead of Rondo because they are most similiar accept Sessions can shoot.

How is he not top 5. Honestly who is actually better than at the point except Paul and Williams. I would take him over Steve Nash mainly because he can do most of what Steve can do and he can defend and he is younger as well.

Give me your top 5 again and I will make a legit argument to put him above at least one of them.

You can’t blame a player because his team is not good. Bucks have not made the playoffs so I can not say he has had in big games in that sense but like Auber says next year when he goes to another team everything I have said here today will become a reality. I have a knack for seeing talent and potential and to be honest I was surprised he we so low in the draft but I did not think he would be as good as he was so early though. If he was another team we would not even be debating his status. You are saying that Rondo and Billups are better because they are on better teams lol. That is funny. We are considered better players because our teams have more talent.

That is all speculation. Sessions has put up some nice games for me to say that. A true NBA mind has to think like I do because honestly you can give someone point for experience but Steve Nash experience has not made him a better defender. I like Harris but he is not as stable and controlled as Sessions and Sessions appears to be the better shooter and scorer right now and the better playmaker. You base thing on stats and I base things on game before Harris put up the big numbers in Jersey I knew he should be a big time point guard and was not getting the chance to do it. That is because i saw he is game. Stats are number but what you see in a person’s game is what determines if they are better and also Sessions has put up the numbers. He has had a few 20 and 20 games. He has had a few triple doubles. Harris and Billups has not done this and will probably not do it.

Look dude it is not a stupid argument. You started this off by disagreeing with me. I know basketball. You need to see numbers and I don’t. Numbers mean nothing to me because they do not show actually skills. I am sorry if you can’t see things my way. I am not wrong. I happened to see things you can’t. I dont rank players based on numbers. Skill wise is top 5. Skills he has already shown. His potential is high but he already has displayed enough skills that if he were on a better team you will see what I see. I have not seen as much as I would like of him but I am shocked people are not saying what I am saying now. This guy has no real weaknesses as a player and as point guard. He can always get better and every player can but he can do everything. I remember the year before BRoy got more attetention most people that watched him play knew that he should be one of the top players in the league and it took a lot of people some time before they saw it. I am like that guy who gets a boot leg of some new artist and is rocking and telling everyone this guy is gonna be better than Jay Z and everyone is laughing and clowning like no he isnt then his CD drop and they on dude nuts and finally see what I was saying. It is not my fault people catch on too late.

He has shown more than flashes man. Skill set and potential or different. Howard is potential because of raw ability and he can learn skill set. Skill set is what you can do. With minutes you can show skill set and put up numbers that people will be able to see hey he is good. Most fans do not know basketball they know numbers.

Rondo led that team to the playoffs, he did it without Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and KG for some part. Yeah if he was on Milwaukee than you would not even be saying that. I think outside the box and some of you don’t. That is how I think. I feel though in Sessions case he has already shown enough and if this was his first year than I would have to be careful but as of now to me he is already that good but you guys don’t know it yet. Potential can not be reach this dude skill set is already there he will not lose he skill set. If he dont gain another skill as of today he would still be a better player than Rondo. That is what I am saying. Rondo aint do nothing by himself. he did not carry that team. He is on a team 3 hall of famers and the years they were not there he did not lead his team anywhere.

Rondo is not the man on his own team. Chauncey Billups is no even the man on his own team where was in the final against the Lakers. Everyone showed up but him. Melo is the man. Billups does make others better because of his leadership. That is all Billups has on Sessions as of right now.

I am still working on that myself but I will get back to on that @ knickfreak because there are over 12 point guards to consider. Scott Skiles is dumb for not playing Sessions more and the reasons the Buck did not win was because Redd and Bogut was lost for the season early. I will put it like this after next years half and Sessions is putting up big number for a good team than holla at your boy. Like I said yall will be hip to this when it is too late. I start trends homie not follow them.

Billups did what Andre Miller did before plus a little more because he is a better defender, shooter, and leader. They would not have gotten Billups for Miller so the AI things worked in the long run for getting them a player that fit their style. AI was never a good fit when they lost Steve Blake because AI could be a shooting guard with Steve Blake there. Billups is being hyped as a player because of his leadership. Other players are playing better defense. Billups is still an average player but he is a smart player who knows his strengths and can play well in a team setting. AI can carry a team offensively and Billups does it with his leadership which was something that Denver need because they had enough scorers. They need a direction and identity and Billups gave that to them. That does not mean Billups is a better player than AI but it means he was a better fit for that team because they need a point guard which AI is not. Detroit screwed because they wanted AI to increase their scoring but he didnt mesh with the other players and also he got hurt so he could do it like he used to.

Look I am right a great deal more than I am wrong about basketball and if I am wrong I am not to proud to admit it. I have had some big argument with people in real life and I was right and they were wrong. But they wanted to cuss me out because they favor players that they knew. I dont care who you know, if a player sucks he sucks. Jordan Formar did make me think I was wrong to doubt him but now it seem long term I was right. I like his game but as a back up he does not help the Lakers. I love the Shannon Brown pick up but I dont know if he can be a started so the Lakers need a quicker starter player that can get Fisher to be moved to the bench. Vujcic is on the verge of being moved in my mind the machine is obsolete. He tries to do too much other than shoot when you are open and make 50 percent threes.

He wasnt a winner at Colorado or early in his career and he was another player that I thought was good early on but had a hard time.I watched Billups as a rookie and I did not know why he got traded so much. It was mainly because Pitino was mad he did not get Duncan or at least Van Horn. This was draft that they had two top 5 picks and didnt get the one or two pick lol. That had to suck. I remember that Boston team gave MJ Bulls on of their 10 losses that season.

You are a numbers guys and numbers guys go after number because you don’t recognize skills. If Billups did not have people like me to get him chances early on he would not be the player he is today because number wise early on he sucked and then he got traded a lot and some teams would not touch him.

Same with Ben Wallace. Larry Brown helped turned that team into Champions but someone that have vision to give them a chance made them winners.

even with that Billups has a higher value as on now then Session because of numbers and hype but Sessions to me is still the better player and you will not change my mind on that but i will say this after next year you will agree with me but I will never agree with you.

Rondo had help say say. He can not make an open shot and if not for his talented players he would not get open lanes to get his points. Don’t talk to me like you know me what don’t you get. Who doesnt look good with 3 hall of famers on their team. Early on he was a afterthought until that trade. The team is his teams quality players helped him get attention the same thing will happen to Sessions next year if he goes to the right team. What I am trying to say is that just because you don’t know something does not make what I am saying wrong. If we were to test a player off of skills Sessions would be top 5 but until he gets on a better team you may never see it. I will give you an example KG on Minnnesota has them talking about him as overrated not a winner and after he got traded to Boston that all changed. My question to you was KG not a winner or was it because Minnesota sucked and never gave him help. Do you not get this.

saysay anything just say anything man because you will see the error of your post and will you be man enough to tell me you are wrong.

Knicksfreak I will say this we both has different merrit when saying someone is top 5. I will not change yours and you will not change mine. Let’s move on from that. I will not change my way because my way has worked and keeps me ahead of most people. In life if you can’t see things before they happen to me you get screwed and sometimes so things you see you can’t stop but gives you time to brace.

@ knicksfreak just because you disagree with me don’t try to mudsling me. If you can’t understand what I am saying and what I say is beyond your comprehension than that is not my fault. Let’s agree to disagree because my thinking has worked well for me and has help me put people on players and teams before they even come on the scene. I have people that talk to me just to get NBA info so they can sound like they know stuff to other people and seem more on top of their game. I already know I know what I am talking about. I realize that everyone thinks different and I will not try to change people’s views but I do hope these same people that disagree don;t come at me like I am stupid because they dont know. If you disagree with me I can deal with that but dont act like you know more than me when you don’t. I study this game just like you all do and I have been right more times than I have been wrong. There is no argument. You see things as the glass half empty I see it as half full and let’s move on.

Sayanything you dont seem to listen to good but that is okay. You are making up arguments to be right.
Everything i said is true I did not say I thought Rondo was an afterthought. Also before the Boston trade Minnesota was missing the playoffs a lot or was losing in the first round and KG as a winner was being doubted by all of the media. These are all truth statements. If i am blind I must be Stevie Wonder making hits because I am right most of the time. I will put up a post at half point next season about Curry and Sessions since I am so wrong and blind and all that lol.

@knickfreak you are too dumb to realize that he is a top 5 player without having to show you who has not watch him grow over the past few years. You don’t know me to say i am dumb homie and if we were agreeing why did you not say i was wrong but look it is cool. I am done with this you are like a female trying to keep this up I told you to let’s agree to disagree and you want to call names. For those that disagree unlike Knickfreak who say he agreed with me, when Sessions put up the numbers for a whole year that I already saw coming and he is mentioned in the same breath with Chris Paul , Deron Williams, and Derick Rose, will yall be man enough to say yall are wrong because if I am wrong I will put up a post saying I was wrong and I am stupid and I should never talk about basketball again. That is my word.

Then hey we disagree. Wow. I keep saying that but you do not listen. I said we will have to agree to disagree and not make this personal. I not we are both men and have egos so let’s cool it now. If you name call me then I will be on the defensive just like you are. I understand you watch ball as well but we think differently. The point of this post was answered. We all think different about basketball and who we like and that is why we have arguments some of them are about players we see differently. Some of them about players and having different systems. I will say this you have shot down my system a few time but why don’t you come up with a system so i know how you think about players. It is easier to criticize when you have not put yourself in the position for others to criticize how you think.

All yall how are throwing out numbers have you seen this guy play. You can’t tell me something like I don’t know numbers . He doesnt shoot many 3 pointers but he can shoot and his carreer averages is a 22 percent 3 point fg goals on like 41 attempts but in college he could shoot 3 so it more about him not taking them then he can actually make them. Also he shoots 44 fg percent as well. Those are the number but dealing with Skiles substitution patterns and injuries to key players have that affect. He also did not play as many minutes as he should have because of sharing time with Luke Ridnour who will be there next year so I guess they did not want to alienate Ridnour when Sessions could possibly leave after the year was up which he may do.

Next year if he goes to the right team there is no doubt he will become that @ Gatorheels

It is like this @gatorhill I see where you are coming from and if I was choosing at the begining of the season i would take Rondo but now at the end this season I would take Sessions. The are different players but are close to me in overall production as far as defense and offense but Sessions is a better shooter and scorer to me. To me this season is gone and next season is in effect. I doubt it is true but rumors has it that Boston is looking to trade for Rubio. I dont really understand that trade though because Rubio can’t shoot that well either.

It would be a smart pickup but the things is Sessions is asking for too much and the knicks can get a quality player in Curry for a lot cheaper.

Do you really think out of the 12 quality point guards that could possibly be drafted that only Jenning will be a nice player. Rubio is NBA ready at 18. I will say this he is overhype but the worst I can see him as if Jason Williams and Curry is smart enough and has enough vision to be an NBA point guard and he could be still growing. I doubt his dad let’s him be passive or get into to much trouble so he should consistently get better and do well with a team that drafts him. Fynn can be an Aaron Brooks type. Everyone else to me has red tape. My ranking right now for them would be this

1 Jennings
2 Rubio
3 Curry
4 Evans
5 Holiday
6. Flynn
7Maynor
8 Teague
9 Collison
10 Lawson

That is it for right now but the final rankings will be after i look at my film of them which i will do.

Next season will be a wild year for Sessions and he will jump up in the point guard rankings like Harris did the year after his trade to the Nets. Harris could have played that way in Dallas but they were too stupid to utilize him like the nets consistently.

He may not be back there because Milwaukee does not want to play him and is said to be drafting a young point.

Knicks want to save money for next year and Sessions is a free agent now and supposely he is asking for money outside of the Bucks range and i would think right off the back they would not think that 6 million would be too much for him so he is probably asking for 9 to 10 million which is around his worth to be honest. A playmaking defensive starting point with shooging ability.

I will say GM do make stupid decisions I will say that and he has only had 96 games of work and they were up and down but I feel like in another year he will be worth the max so taking him at a long term at 9 or 10 million would be wiser. Anything lower than 8 million would be stupid to take but he may have to take a one year tender so that he can put up the numbers to support this.

The Bucks would sign him for that much but he is asking for more I suppose and they do have Ridnour for another year so they may just draft a point and he goes else where.

I see your lists but what do they mean other than you are sharing your opinion with me but not giving me a reason why these players are so much better beside numbers because if that was the case Rose should not be up that high.