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  • #40470
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    I was playing ball with one of my friends(agent ot a Jazz player) and he was telling me that the Jazz are trying to make a deal witht he Hornets which consist of Millsap, the number 47 pick and Burkes for the number 10 pick. There is also another player (he’s not sure who) that would be added but the Jazz would have to take a player from the hornets (my guess is Emeka). Not a bad trade considering you get a young PF who has Allstar talent plus a young SG who can come off the bench, a 2nd round pick and get rid of a bad contract while still keeping you’re amnesty. The Jazz would get to go after their PG of the future in Marshall or Lillard and can amenesty Emeka or trade him for some assests

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  • #683749
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    Lebron’s Hairline
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    Don’t the jazz get tired of drafting? They’ve had 2 high first round picks in each of the last 2 seasons, you can’t amnesty players that you trade for so this trade rumor makes no sense

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  • #683752
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    Tyrober
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    I know the Hornets want to get rid of Okafor, but I think they need to keep the 10th pick. Add some young talent and grow together. 

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  • #683759
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    I think that New Orleans has to do that trade. Paul Millsap and Anthony Davis would be great together. Then you add another young wing in Alec Burke. Then they might be able to get rid of Omaka Okafor. Davis, Eric Gordon, Millsap, Burke, Jarrett Jack, and Vazquez would be a good young core.

    The Hornets might not be able to get a guy as good as Paul Millsap at 10. Their interior would be set with Anthony Davis and Millsap and then Jason Smith off the bench. Not sure what they do with Chris Kaman but he would be a nice rotational big. Then at 47 they could add a small forward or a point guard.

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  • #683762
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    Millsap is a borderline All Star who improves his game every year.  Burks didn’t have a great rookie season, but he showed flashes and will most likely have a breakout sophmore season.  That’s entirely too much to ask for the 10th pick in the draft unless we’re getting Eric Gordon back in a sign and trade deal, but then that wouldn’t be fair to NO.  No way this deal goes down.  There is nobody there at 10 who will make the Jazz better to compensate losing Millsap and Burks.

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  • #683765
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    A Lil English
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    Let me guess… you’re not gona say who the players agent is or the player?

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  • #683770
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    Why would i say who either is if its told in confident???  Anyway The Jazz are in love with Lillard (like everyone else) and they have been putting out feelers for Millsap for a while since they have Kanter,Favors,Jefferson and Millsap. Can’t get rid of Jefferson because of his contract. Personally i rather they stay how they are so my Lakers can continue to pound on them:)

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  • #683777
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    There is no way the Jazz make this trade.  Millsap averaged 16/8, was 14th in the NBA in PER and 4th in steals.  Burks is a promising rookie who’s upside is very high.  He’d likely be picked 15-20 in this draft, even with the glut of 2s available.  He’s extremely explosive, has good size for the positions, and averaged over 20 ppg for Colorado.  While I could see the Jazz trading one or both of these players, there’s no way they do it for the 10th pick, especially when you suggest the Jazz would have to eat a bad contract in the process.

    If this trade was for a top 6 pick, that might have a chance.  But there’s no way it happens for the #10 pick in this draft.

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  • #683779
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    Value trade. Just terrible. I have no idea why the Jazz would do that for only the 10th pick. They trade the player they took 12th last year and a solid starting PF for a player who may not even be there? You might be right, but if this happens, you have to be pissed off as a Jazz fan. Just find this highly unlikely though, Quincey.

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  • #683783
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    I’m not saying they will or won’t. Just repeating the info told to me.

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  • #683784
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    Counting Stars
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    DNYCE, is that you?

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  • #683785
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    druneave3
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    The Jazz would never do that. Same thing mikeyvthedon said. Who would they be targeting? Ross? I hope not for Marshall, Lillard will be gone before 10.

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  • #683787
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    Also i do not like the Jazz, its against my Lakerdom:)…It’s no secret out here that they feel they are only missing a PG ( i say PG and SG)

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  • #683801
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    I love Jazz posts, but this is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

     

    #1 you don’t know the Jazz agent.

    #2 If you did, he wouldn’t tell you info like this.

    #3 The trade is ridiculous.

    I rest my case.

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    • #683937
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      GoJOSH HUESTIS
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      Actually i know a couple of the agents because they play basketball at 24hr fitness out here in Utah as well as in the pro summer leauge that we play in at Taylorsville rec.

      2. We talk about much more Jazz stuff then i put on here after we are done playing basketball and relaxing before we head out of the gym.

       

      Just because you doubt any one could possibly get any info from a player or agent doesn’t mean you just go out of you’re way to hate. I have no dog in this fight, i don’t get no money for putting this info out just like i don’t when i post ESPN insider things. It’s info that i figure people on here would like to know.

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  • #683804
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    bloodshy
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    They have a ton of talent, but they have several weaknesses:

    1. Defense at the point of attack. Harris’ offense is OK.  His D is horrific, which is the team’s biggest overall weakness.

    2. Bigs in pick and roll.  Al’s O is elite.  He also gets lots of blocks.  But his inability to ever stay in front of a pick and roll has been disasterous and predictable.

    3. 3-point shooting.  The Jazz have a huge void at the 3.  Although Hayward is 6’8, he really plays best as a 2, not a 3.  So the Jazz have strength at the 2 with Hayward and Burks.  Between the two of them, they provide marginal 3-point shooting from the 2 position.  But the 3 is vacant.  They have no one that can stretch the floor at all from deep at the 3, which causes massive congenstion inside.  The Jazz need a 3 that can defend and also knock down open 3s.

    4. Undersized front line.  Although the Jazz have the bulk and the length, they haven’t been playing them enough.  Al and Sap are too small and/or slow to be competitive defensively against very large front lines.  When Favors and/or Kanter are in the game, these size problems disappear and the Jazz’ D can handle big fronts.

    5.  Bench.  The Jazz receive very little scoring from their bench. CJ Miles, Juan Howard and Raja Bell have been duds (they’re all likely gone this offseason).  Besides Burks, no one on their bench is a skilled scorer.  They need to strengthen this group to avoid falling apart when their reserve wings take over.

    Clearly the Jazz have a number of holes to fill.  Picking Kendall Marshall (the best pg likely available at 10) wouldn’t even put a dent in problem #1, much less fix the rest of their holes.

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  • #683806
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    lilballa141
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    Worst trade speculation of all time

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  • #683846
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    fastdan
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    If they can swing into the draft and take a guy like Jeff Taylor, they’ll be able to solve a few of those problems; perimeter defending, shooting, and they could start Hayward at the 2 then slide him into the 3 to bring Burke off the bench. Dealing Millsap or Jefferson might be able to land a pick, and also give more minutes to Favours and Kanter, which would also eliminate their size issue. I’ve really like Taylor on their team for a long time. It’s a shame they went from almost having 2 lottery picks to none (though, I don’t think they would have taken Taylor with one of them). Maybe going after Jeff Green to play the 3? Kahn giving up on Johnson maybe?

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  • #683848
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    F_DA_PO
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    this guy obviously never went to stanford….. disregarding the B.S. agent, this would be a horrible trade. why would the jazz trade basically a #10 pick + paul milsap for a new #10 pick???

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  • #683935
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    mj23mj23bestever
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     but addign burks too the deal makes it borderline insanity the jazz have a huge log jam at the 4 and 5 postion and getting the tenth pick too bring in marshall or even austin rivers i could understand that deal but again adding burks too the deal is nuts 

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  • #683939
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    Never said i went to Stanford. You haven’t been on here long so you don’t know why i picked that name but there are plenty on here who have been on here long enough that know why. Another thing is there are plenty of trades that are talked about that never happen. Some of which are lopsidded. It’s pretty funny that some fans think that if they never heard of something or a trade doesn’t make sense to them then there is no way it can be true.

     

     

    I’ll give an example of something that is probably known by now that i talked to a agent about.  The agents name is Deangelo Millsap (Paul Millsap’s uncle). I’be known him for a good 6 years now and not only play ball with him but hang out from time to time. Most of the time we don’t talk about the Jazz but every once in awhile we do. He has mentioned since last year the the Jazz are trying to transition Millsap to the Sf postion ( something I debated with someone about on here saying the Jazz wouldn’t do that but i was obviously wrong) so they could start Favors at the four and Gordan at the two (i don’t think he can play the two)

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  • #683952
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    That would be the slowest team in the NBA with Gordon at the 2 and Milsap at the 3. I can’t believe that information. The Hornets would like to bring in a veteran and may trade the 10th pick but I just don’t think Utah would give him away without getting a guard back. Emeka Okafor has a terrible contract and would just be sitting on the bench behind Jefferson, Favors and Kanter so that part of the deal would make no sense either.

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  • #683956
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    F_DA_PO
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    This doesn’t explain why the Jazz would trade the promising Burks who went around #10 last year for a new #10 pick?? That alone doesn’t make sense. The fact that you say the Jazz are basically giving Millsap away on a silver platter tops of the stupidity of your post. I don’t care if you know agents or what Paul Millsap’s dad says, this trade would never happen. Emeka Okafor??? No one wants Okafor and his contract.

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  • #683960
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    Did i say it was a smart trad eor the best trade ever?  Lets look at past trades.   Paul Gasol for the players he was traded for. In hindsite it wasn’t a bad trade but at the time if someone told me that was being talked about and i posted it on here you would have called me ever name int he book and i would probably get banned.And he never said THAT THE TRADE WILL HAPPEN. He said it is being talked about and presented to the Hornets. Slow down and read and not just jump to conclussions. There are plenty of trades out there that are being talked about(6 from the jazz) ttwo of which make less sense than this but this is the one that had the biggest names and most players so i figured i’d share it. I’ll be happy to not share any more info since it seems to get people too hyped up

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  • #683962
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    Actual Paul did pretty well on defense at the SF. He guards Sf a good amount of times now. I’m still not a believer in Gordan but the Jazz think very highly of him.

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  • #683963
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    Figured some of the info was out there…here you go

     

    April 22, 2012, 01:22 AM ET
    The Lineup That Saved the Jazz’s Season

     

    by Kevin Pelton

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    The Lineup That Saved the Jazz’s Season

    Posted by Kevin Pelton @ April 22, 2012, 01:22 AM–>

    When Tyrone Corbin tried Paul Millsap at the three late in last season with Utah headed for the lottery, the move appeared nothing more than a gimmick. So it was no surprise that, despite adding another frontcourt option in rookie Enes Kanter, Corbin scrapped the experiment much of this season. He brought it back on April 2 at Portland, trying to match up with an athletic Blazers frontline. The Jazz rallied to win that game, and Corbin held on to the big lineup as an option to use at times throughout Utah’s playoff push in the month of April.

    Saturday’s overtime win over the Orlando Magic was the ultimate triumph for Millsap at small forward. The Jazz played the lineup for the entire second quarter, about five minutes apiece in the third and fourth and the entire extra session. It completely changed the tenor of the game. With the big lineup, Utah outscored Orlando 71-37 (+34 points). That’s remarkable in a game the Jazz won by 10; all other lineups were outscored by 24 points. That’s like two teams at completely opposite extremes within the same game.

    Even before then, the big lineup had been dynamite. Entering Saturday’s game, Millsap had played nearly exactly 100 minutes at small forward, per BasketballValue.com. During that span, the Jazz outscored opponents by 23 points, or 11.3 per 100 possessions, on the strength of elite defense. The big lineups had allowed just 86.6 points per 100 possessions, way down from the 106.4 Utah usually gives up. With Millsap at small forward, the Jazz has tons of size to control the glass and contest shots. Millsap has proven capable of defending bigger opponents on the perimeter. These lineups also almost always feature second-year reserve Derrick Favors, the team’s best interior defender who also helped take away sharpshooter Ryan Anderson Saturday, including blowing up the pick-and-roll the Magic ran with Anderson on the final play of regulation.

    The Utah offense suffers to some extent with less outside shooting on the floor. Teams have successfully used zone defense against the Jazz’s big lineups. (Surprisingly, Stan Van Gundy never tried a zone.) This is especially problematic when Millsap plays small forward with the second unit and non-shooter Alec Burks. Lineups with Millsap, Favors, Gordon Hayward and Al Jefferson (with either Devin Harris or Jamaal Tinsley at point guard) have scored a robust 109.6 points per 100 possessions and outscored opponents by a remarkable 21.5 points per 100 possessions. Just two Utah lineups with more than 50 possessions together have been more effective.

    If Utah beats Phoenix on Tuesday to clinch a playoff spot, expect to see plenty more of Millsap at small forward against whatever opponent the Jazz ends up facing.

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  • #683969
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    no one questioned the JAzz might try Millsap at the 3….. The Gasol trade was completely different. It’s more of the fact that teams never draft a guy then trade him after a solid season for a new draft pick at the same spot. Please tell me one trade in NBA history where a team traded one of their best players and best rookie for a re-do draft pick??? Grizz couldn’t afford Gasol and it ended up being a good trade because of the draft pick. This trade is completely different……

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  • #683974
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    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    no one questioned the JAzz might try Millsap at the 3….. The Gasol trade was completely different. It’s more of the fact that teams never draft a guy then trade him after a solid season for a new draft pick at the same spot. Please tell me one trade in NBA history where a team traded one of their best players and best rookie for a re-do draft pick??? Grizz couldn’t afford Gasol and it ended up being a good trade because of the draft pick. This trade is completely different……

     

    The Gasol trade was just one trade of many that seemed lopsided(And the grizz could afford Gasol you might want to take a look at how much money they had to give), As far as why they are looking to trade Burke, no clue except that they probably think they can get their PG of the future and while Burke is talented they also have C.J Miles and Gordan who are bother taller and better shooters. Teams trade their best players when they get to a point where they know they aren’t going to much further with the player (one example is Iggy being on the trading block and the bobcats trading Jackson and wallace), Add to the fact that they have a coupel fo young bigs who they feel are the future of the franchise. Personally i never been a big fan of Favors and i’d keep Millsap over Favors 10 times out of 10. Ask you’re self this, how often have you seen trades or free agent pick ups where some on is over paid and think " Why the hell would they do that"…………………..Think about that or google worst trades in NBA history then tell me this trade talk seems so far fetched

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  • #684307
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    fastdan
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    Googled it. It’s still far fetched.

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