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  • #39606
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    TomShoe
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     David Stern and Tom Benson just ripped a nice-sized chunk out of my heart today. The Bobcats are so bad, they can’t even win at losing. Now Davis is on his way to NOLA and we’re stuck with a mottley group of not-so-sure-things. People will assume we’ll just pick MKG.

    I’ll be the first one to admit this, but I HATE the idea of the Bobcats going with MKG.
     
    For starters, the guy can’t shoot that well, which is a big no-no for Charlotte, who is incredibly bad on offense without Corey Maggette or Gerald Henderson scoring big. While he does attack the rim, he’s going to struggle in his 1st year because the Bobcats are so devoid of shooters, big men can easily key in and help D without having to worry about the open 3. I’m not sure about whether he can create his own shot, but I really don’t like SFs that don’t have a decent jumper (just look at Josh Childress).
     
    He’s a leader? He has a great motor? Yeah, that worked out great with Kemba.
     
    He can improve his jumpshot? Good luck doing that on the Bobcats. Maybe you don’t realize, but the Bobcats are a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad organization. If I was owner, I’d just fire everyone not named Rich Cho and build the Bobcats up from scratch. Just like how Wall "kind of stayed the same" in his 2 years with the Wiz, and how Diaw didn’t get good until he joined the Spurs, the Bobcats are just terrible at developing players.
     
    This is the complete opposite of the Spurs. This organization makes players worse. Imagine Kemba or Bismack if they were playing with the Spurs or the Celtics instead.
     
    Other options for the Bobcats:
     
    Beal? Yeah, it looks pretty good, as Beal will finally make some offense, something the ‘Cats desperately need.
     
    Drummond? No, for the reason that he won’t develop until after he’s traded.
     
    I feel either Harrison Barnes or Thomas Robinson would be the best fits for the Bobcats. Barnes’s shooting would open the floor and leave room for guys like Kemba to operate. T-Rob is a great defender, and pairing him with Bismack would make problems for other teams in the post.
     
    Ultimately, what the Bobcats need, is a better organization. MJ just needs to sit back in the easy chair, sign the checks, and let Rich Cho do his job.
     
    Oh, and MJ should not be allowed to attend workouts. He might see a player and "fall in love" with that "big, prototype body" and make a huge reach. I think we all know what happened the last time MJ "fell in love" with a player.
     
     
    ugh.
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  • #675362
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    Malik-Universal
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     "Oh, and MJ should not be allowed to attend workouts." 

    lmfaooooo!!! like i said in another topic just now…. bobcats need a guy like t-rob…. he will produce from day one…. they cant risk the chance of taking a guy like drummond to develop over time…. and u make a good point with MKG…. 

     

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  • #675370
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    TheLastWord
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    They should actually consider trading down and get a starter quality player back. The cats need a huge influx of talent and there are no potential franchise changers at #2.  No free agent in his right mind will be willing to sign there either, so you risk losing all fan support. 

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  • #675385
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    sheltwon3
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    Harrison Barnes is the best option to me.  Robinson is good but Biyombo could possibly match his rebounding and be a better defender and Robinson is not skilled enough in the post that I would give him light years above Biyombo.  You need a shooter and Scorer at a position you need.  Barnes will make a better pro than  his college numbers suggest.  Also he is from NC.  Drummonds would not develop and people would continue to make fun on MJ.   MKG is not a great shooter and if comes in playing like Wallace 2.0 or where Wallace was.  I mean why trade Wallace to add a player similiar when Wallace did not help them on offense where they need the most help.

    You already have two point guards .  Gerald Henderson is one of the few bright spots.

     

    Walker/Augustine

    Henderson/???

    Barnes/Reggie Williams

    Biyombo/Ty Thomas

    ????/Mullens

     

    You need to trade Maggette possibly for big man.  Washington have a few and may try to get rid of some.  Andray can be had for almost anything.  Maggette and a 2nd rounder may be able to do it. 

    The team above is not great but is young talented and is could move in the right direction.

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  • #675386
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    sheltwon3
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    Harrison Barnes is the best option to me.  Robinson is good but Biyombo could possibly match his rebounding and be a better defender and Robinson is not skilled enough in the post that I would give him light years above Biyombo.  You need a shooter and Scorer at a position you need.  Barnes will make a better pro than  his college numbers suggest.  Also he is from NC.  Drummonds would not develop and people would continue to make fun on MJ.   MKG is not a great shooter and if comes in playing like Wallace 2.0 or where Wallace was.  I mean why trade Wallace to add a player similiar when Wallace did not help them on offense where they need the most help.

    You already have two point guards .  Gerald Henderson is one of the few bright spots.

     

    Walker/Augustine

    Henderson/???

    Barnes/Reggie Williams

    Biyombo/Ty Thomas

    ????/Mullens

     

    You need to trade Maggette possibly for big man.  Washington have a few and may try to get rid of some.  Andray can be had for almost anything.  Maggette and a 2nd rounder may be able to do it. 

    The team above is not great but is young talented and is could move in the right direction.

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  • #675388
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    sheltwon3
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    Bobcats need to be patient and build through the draft.  Barnes would be a nice pick up and possibly sure thing.  I think people forget Paul Pierce numbers in the NBA are better than his college numbers when he played under Roy Williams.

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  • #675387
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    TJC
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     Best option for bobcats would be draft T Rob (can score, rebound and have an instant impact in the NBA) or Barns (scores scores scores). Another option as I have heard mentioned is trade down with blazers, this could work by drafting beal and sullinger. Ultimately the worst thing they could do is draft Drummond (his last college game is enough to explain why). 

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  • #675409
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    CavsFan07
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    Thomas Robinson or Harrison Barnes are the two best fits. Robinson/Biyombo is a little undersized as a 4/5 if you want to play them together, but atleast you’re pairing a defensive minded guy (Biyombo) with a guy who can score (Robinson). Hate to say it, because I’m still not sure he’s worth a #2 pick, but Barnes is probably the best overall fit here. 

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  • #675430
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    omphalos
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    Gotta be Barnes, he’s probably the best fit from a basketball standpoint, but he’s also got that great marketing opportunity, and we know Jordan is desperate to make a profit or at least break even with the Bobcats.

    I hope MJ gets on Benson’s case about getting the Hornets name back, because that alone would help matters immensely. If Barnes gets drafted to the Charlotte Hornets I’d probably buy his jersey before he plays a single game.

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  • #675431
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    bballjunkie09
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    I am 100% for the Bobcats drafting Harrison Barnes, but do you think Bradley Beal could make an arguement for number 2 overall? He plays quite mature for his age and has a very good fundamentals to go along with a smooth jumpshot like Barnes.

    The last thing I want MJ to do is fall in love with Andre Drummond’s size and potential – ultimately leading to him being drafted 2nd overall. I’m not saying he is a Kwame Brown, but the last thing the Bobcats want is an extremely inexperienced frontcourt of Biyombo and Drummond. They will pull some antics like what Greg Stiemsma did today in game 2 – 4 fouls in 3 and a half minutes lol.

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  • #675471
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    A Lil English
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    Just because you play for the Bobcats does not mean you don’t have much chance to improve your jumper.

    A big part of why Kawhi Leonard improved his shooting is because he signed to Impact management, went to Impact Basketball training and worked on it during the lockout – before the Spurs picked him up. I saw his 3pt numbers in the ‘Competitive Training Series’ league they hosted. It’s just hard work, doesn’t matter where you are. If Kidd-Gilchrist can get rid of that hitch and continues to work he CAN shoot on the Bobcats along with bring all the other things that made him a standout freshman.
     
    With that said, I’m not against them taking Barnes or Beal.
     
    Also Diaw didn’t need to develop at all, he always had talent. He just gave up on the Bobcats. I think you’ll find playing for a winning organisation would do wonders for lots of guys who lost their way, it’s mainly their mentality and effort.
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  • #675473
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    The argument they shouldn’t take MKG because they wouldn’t develop him doesn’t stick to me. If you think MKG is the 2nd best player in the draft, then you take him, and get someone who can help him develop his offensive game more.

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  • #675497
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    aamir543
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    Guys, can I remind you that 25% does not mean a 9 in 10 chance, it means a 1 in 4 chance, for every time the Bobcats get the number 1, they don’t 3 times, the fact of the matter is that the lotto probably isn’t rigged, the Hornets had a decent shot at the lotto as well.

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  • #675500
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    Cynthia
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    Correct. An even easier way of laying it out is a 25% chance to win the #1 pick, but a 75% chance to not win it. 75% chance to not win is very high, which explains why the worst team has very rarely actually gotten the #1 pick.

    While I agree the lottery has consistantly seemed fishy, the reality is it most likely is not rigged in any shape or form, it’s just all about luck really. 

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  • #675577
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    "I’ll be the first one to admit this, but I HATE the idea of the Bobcats going with MKG."

    Probably because deep down you saw him unable to shoot from the mid-range or perimeter, was overly reliant on runouts for his points (like Kemba was at UConn), and know that trying hard is nice for Kawhi Leonard when being teamed with Parker, Duncan, Ginobili, Duncan, Diaw, and Jackson, but not going to help him when he is around Henderson, Mullens, Biyombo, Walker, Moon, and Reggie Williams. “

    This is the complete opposite of the Spurs. This organization makes players worse. Imagine Kemba or Bismack if they were playing with the Spurs or the Celtics instead.”

    Not really. If Kemba Walker was on San Antonio, it wouldn’t make him able to shoot the ball. Kemba Walker made a third of his shots that weren’t at therim (and he only made those at a 50 percent clip). Even if you account for the burden of being around that much awful, you are at most talking about a Patty Mills-type player taken off the scrap heap to spell Parker for some minutes in the regular season not the 9th overall pick meant to be one of the faces of a rebuilding franchise. As for the other face, he’d look like a darker hewed Greg Stiemsma in Boston, though to be fair Stiemsma can catch a pass, make more than half his layups, and not embarrass himself when taking a wide open jump shot. Once again, he was scrap heap pickup to steal a few minutes not the 7th overall pick meant to be one of the faces of a rebuilding franchise.

    "Beal? Yeah, it looks pretty good, as Beal will finally make some offense, something the ‘Cats desperately need."

    A 6′ 2 or maybe 6′ 3" shooting guard who didn’t really shoot the ball well against teams that closed out on him going to a team where Gerald Henderson is the one player they have who can probably start on around half the teams of the league?

    "Drummond? No, for the reason that he won’t develop until after he’s traded." Not necessarily, though it is hard to make the case for him in that situation.

    They need everything, and are so bereft of talent that they have to start somewhere.

    "T-Rob is a great defender, and pairing him with Bismack would make problems for other teams in the post."

    You’d have two 6′ 8" 230 lbs. guys who would be better at preventing the Bobcats from scoring in close than they would at preventing the other team. The Bobcats gave up the most points in the paint in the league (I know, they were basically Mississippi as the team that ranked first in everything you don’t want to be first in), and the only guy who seemed to statisically make a dent in their abhorrent defense was DeSagana Diop who is yet another guy who a team should not want on the floor unless they can successfully play 4 on 5. Blocking shots and the tag of having a "good motor" is not the same thing as playing good defense in the NBA.

    "Oh, and MJ should not be allowed to attend workouts. He might see a player and ‘fall in love’ with that "big, prototype body" and make a huge reach. I think we all know what happened the last time MJ ‘fell in love’ with a player."

    To be fair, Rich Cho’s resume includes Johan Petro, Robert Swift, Saer Sene, and Bismack Biyombo.

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