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  • #33661
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    Nbanflguy
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    As the NBA lockout enters its fifth month and the gap between the split of basketball-related income and the disagreement over key points in the economic system threaten to implode the labor talks again this weekend, team executives have started to seriously consider what they once believed to be unthinkable: What if the league scuttles the entire season?

    Free agency is a pressing topic. If a collective bargaining agreement isn’t agreed to in time to salvage a season, the summer of 2012 could become a free-agent bonanza. The mediocre Class of 2011 (headlined by Nene, Marc Gasol, David West and Tyson Chandler) would mix in with the ballyhooed Class of ’12, a star-studded group likely led by Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Deron Williams. An even more pressing issue: What happens with the 2012 NBA draft?

    "It’s an issue," one Eastern Conference executive told SI.com. "We have talked about it, and I bet other teams have too."

    An NBA spokesman said the league is focused on the collective bargaining negotiations and would not comment on hypotheticals, but there is precedent for the NBA to examine. After canceling the 2004-05 season, the NHL was faced with a choice: slot teams in the order they finished the ’03-04 season, or improvise a weighted lottery system that gives each team a shot at landing the No. 1 pick. It was a critical decision, as the consensus top pick that year, Sidney Crosby, was considered a franchise-changing talent.

    The NHL elected to use a lottery and cooked up a creative solution. The amount of lottery balls a team had was based on two criteria: the number of times a team made the playoffs the last three seasons and the number of times a team had drafted No. 1 in the previous three drafts. Using that model, four teams — the New York Rangers, Buffalo, Pittsburgh and Columbus — each had three of the 48 balls in the bin. Ten teams had two balls and 16 had one.

    The result was one of the more compelling drafts in NHL history. While Pittsburgh, which finished the ’03-04 season with a league-worst 58 points, secured the top pick in 2005, there were some surprises. Perennial doormat Florida picked 29th. Ottawa and Vancouver, two 100-plus-point teams in the previous regular season, were slotted ninth and 10th, respectively.

    Should the NBA adopt a similar system, it would be weighted like this:

    Three balls: Minnesota, Golden State, New Jersey, Toronto, Sacramento.

    Two balls: Detroit, Houston, Indiana, L.A. Clippers, Milwaukee, New York, Charlotte, Phoenix, Memphis, Washington.

    One ball: Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, L.A. Lakers, Oklahoma City, Philadelphia, Portland, San Antonio, Utah, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, New Orleans, Boston.

    Assuring that every team has a chance to get the No. 1 pick will likely be the sticking point. "If they didn’t or if the teams that didn’t make the playoffs last year were the only ones in the lottery," the East executive said, "the playoff teams would go ballistic." Why? Because while the 2011 draft was considered to be low on top-tier talent, the 2012 class has the potential to be stocked. Kentucky’s Anthony Davis, Connecticut’s Andre Drummond, North Carolina’s Harrison Barnes and Ohio State’s Jared Sullinger are already viewed as NBA-ready prospects, while more raw talents like Duke’s Austin Rivers, Connecticut’s Jeremy Lamb and Kentucky’s Marquis Teague could rocket up the draft board quickly.

    "It’s loaded," an Eastern Conference personnel scout said. "Look at this year’s draft and, outside of Kyrie Irving, you can’t say if there is another immediate impact player. Next year, there are probably going to be eight or nine guys who fit that description."

    If the next collective bargaining agreement includes rules that help restrict player movement, landing an impact player in the draft could become increasingly important. The possible scenarios in a league-wide lottery are landscape-changing:

    • What if the Nets, who have a sparkling new arena in Brooklyn and (if they can re-sign him) a franchise point guard in Williams, were slotted in a position where they could acquire an elite forward like Barnes or Sullinger? Either might make Brooklyn even more enticing to Howard.

    • What if Boston, which has two first-round picks in the ’12 draft, is able to get players who could complement the Big Three now and replace them later?

    • What if any of the uber-elite teams (such as Miami, Dallas, Oklahoma City and Chicago), who have a slim chance of landing a high pick, are able to fortify already talented rosters? (Note: Per RealGM, Miami has a No. 1 pick, though Cleveland has the right to swap with the Heat. Both could still get a high selection. Details of other picks are listed there.)

    A canceled season could create a scenario that might reshape the league in an unexpected way.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/chris_mannix/11/04/2012.draft/index.html#ixzz1csFIVmEt

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  • #606757
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    WinterSoldier
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     It’s not at all fair for a team like Utah or Cleveland they are not a playoff caliber teams anymore, teams change to much over three years it’s only fair from the previous year.

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  • #606759
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    I think the system needs to be even more compliated, because even teams like the Lakers, Bulls, Mavs, Blazers, Magic, Celtic, and Knick have a two percent chance, and those teams would be absolutely stacked with a Barnes or Drummond. Imagine OKC putting out Westbrook-Durant-Barnes-Ibaka-Perkins with Harden-Collison-Sefolosha-Cook coming off the bench, Or having Orlando land Drummond, and then having Howard dciding to STAY. Drummond and Howard, gives me the shivers just thinking about it.

    I think teams like Sacramento, Toronto, and Golden State need to have around 8-9 times as much chance to land a high pick, not 3 times as much.

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  • #606761
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    Scottoant93
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     I think its sort of ok for cleveland and Utah, because each had 2 lotto picks in last year’s draft even though it wasn’t near as deep as the potential 2012 draft, they still got some nice talent(Irving,Thompson,Kanter,Burks).  Also i guess as stated by the article Cleveland can even switch picks with the heat if they want to. Plus in the end David Stern will work his magic and rig it so the team of his choice gets thee top picks. In the end it works out pretty well..every proposed system will have its flaws, so teams are always going to be making excuses if they don’t get the right pick, but It should definately throw in a nice twist of what would be an already exciting season…but hopefully we will never have to experience it because hopefully the lockout will end on time.

     

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  • #606762
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    JaeEvolution
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    "The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer." That would be the motto after the draft if this is how they plan on doing it. I absolutely gurantee an elite team (Miami, Bulls, Boston, Lakers, Mavs, Thunder) one of them would get a top 5 pick in an incredibly loaded draft.

    If they want to talk about competitive balance and all this they need to stick to the records last year and draft off that, I’m serious. Look at lottery teams of 2011, those teams are not going anywhere fast those teams NEED talent that is coming from 2012 draft. The only teams I can see making noise that were in the lottery and are possibly headed for the famous ‘Thunder Draft Route’ Minnesota, Washington, Golden State, and Sacramento. All the other teams have decent teams but lack that elite young talent, so I am not a fan at the elite teams getting even lottery pick in such a loaded draft.

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  • #606766
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    There is a ten percent chance that the Bulls, Lakers, Mavs, Celtic or Thunder land the number 1. (I didn’t count the Heat because the Cavs can swap.) The same percent chance remains for the rest of the lotto, so an elite team will probably get a great prospect for the future, and be even more beast.

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  • #606767
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    Ollstar
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    There should be even more talent with the amnesty clause cuts. If the entire season is indeed lost, the loaded draft and free agents could decide if a team is willing to scrap their roster and rebuild. Some small market teams might be able to attract some talent with the new CBA. I think the league will have more parity come 2012.

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  • #606769
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    This is a draft that can really turn a franchise around. It is the most talent-driven draft since the class that featured Rose and Love. Its early but this class has the potential (depending on who comes out) of the 1996 Draft. I would hate for there not to be a season and an elite franchise ends up with a top 5 pick or even top 10. I would have traded my picks in last year draft, but picks in this years draft.

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  • #606839
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     There is no way to ensure perfect parity or fairness with any objective system.  I think the system recommended by SI is better than drafting based solely off of last years record because drafting off last years record would be almost overkill given that they already had the worst teams get high draft picks last year.  I think it is a good idea to have some of the draft based on consistent struggling.  

    If a top team gets a high pick, than a top team does.  Deal.  The lottery isn’t rigged:  Look at the past results, and then tell me that the lottery is rigged to help the Celtics, Heat, Lakers, Mavs and other large market teams.  I know a bunch of people are going to point to the Bulls getting Rose, but I’m sure none will mention SA getting Duncan instead of, say, the Celtics. 

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  • #606860
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     It’s not fair because they both had to give up there franchise players for that(although Mo Williams wasn’t much of a franchise player, but they did lose Lebron)

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  • #606898
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    If there was a total lockout and then some draft along the SI idea was done with top teams standing a chance of picking higher, I could well see just about every top prospect declaring as even if they fell a bit down the draft they could well land on an instant contender.

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  • #606948
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    I think it would be most fair just to go by the last seasons standings again and redo the draft lottery, but If they did feel the need to meddle with more cr@p the chances would need to be weighted much more than the 1/2/3 ball system. Putting that in place gives the one ball group just as much of a chance as the three ball group and benefits those in the middle the most. It would need to be more like 1/5/10 to be fair, this would give the worst teams around a 70% shot on each pick for the group as a whole, while leaving 23% for the group in the middle. That last 7% should keep the chance down that we will see Drummond and Kobe suiting up together.
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  • #606989
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    If you just based it on last season’s standings then the teams in transition could well be the most effected. Someone like NJ with D-Will and Brook Lopez could well gain another top talent if they had a high pick yet teams like Denver who may have been going into transition could well end up with a much lower pick than they would have got if the season had been played.

    I wonder if the less hardline owners who may own contending teams would push for a lottery in their favour against the hardline owners who they might perceive to be more responsible for the lockout.

    If you wanted to be cynical then if the NBA announced that the lottery next season would be less favourable to the less successful teams then I wonder if their owners would look to get a deal done to get the players back on court. This way even if they had a losing season they would be in line to have a shot at Barnes, Drummond and co.

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