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- Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 9:52am #32517

surveParticipantWho were some of the best rebounders to ever play together? Lets list here.
NOTE: The players did not have to be at their rebounding peak when they played together.
Off the top of my head, I will go with who I grew up watching.
Moses Malone and Kevin Willis of the Atlanta Hawks
Malone
- some say he was the greatest rebounder of all times
- highest season avg of 17.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 16
- career rebound avg: 12.3
- 6x NBA rebound champion
Willis
- one of 15 players in history to record over 16,000 points and 11, 000 rebounds
- had (12) 20/20 games (at least 20pts and 20rbs)
- highest season avg of 15.5
- total seasons avg in double figures: 6
Total Max Season Avg: 33.1rpg
Believe it Or Not: Kevin Willis never won a rebounding title. The year he averaged 15.5rpg was the same year Dennis Rodman won the title with an average of 18.7rgp.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:01am #586951
KDThunder35ParticipantRodman and Robinson for the Spurs.
Robinson’s career high rebounds avg. 13.0 in 1990-1991
Rodman’s career high rebounds avg. 18.7 in 1991-1992
When they played together for two seasons these were their averages
Rodman 1994- 17.3
1995- 16.8
Robinson 1994 – 10.3
1995 – 11.9
Best aggregate between the two (not playing together) – 31.7 per game
Best aggregate between the two (playing together) – 28.7 per game
**Rodman is the hardest working player I have ever watched in my life (followed by Tyler Hansborough in his college days)
being 6 foot 6 and grabbing close to 19 boards a game against the best athletes in the world while being undersized is just absurd.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:01am #587227
KDThunder35ParticipantRodman and Robinson for the Spurs.
Robinson’s career high rebounds avg. 13.0 in 1990-1991
Rodman’s career high rebounds avg. 18.7 in 1991-1992
When they played together for two seasons these were their averages
Rodman 1994- 17.3
1995- 16.8
Robinson 1994 – 10.3
1995 – 11.9
Best aggregate between the two (not playing together) – 31.7 per game
Best aggregate between the two (playing together) – 28.7 per game
**Rodman is the hardest working player I have ever watched in my life (followed by Tyler Hansborough in his college days)
being 6 foot 6 and grabbing close to 19 boards a game against the best athletes in the world while being undersized is just absurd.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:36am #586967

surveParticipantCharles Barkley and Jayson Williams of the 76ers
Barkley
- highest season avg of 14.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 15
- career rebound avg: 11.7
- 1x NBA rebound champion
Williams
- led league in offensive rebounds in 97-98 season with 6.8
- highest season avg of 13.6
Total Max Season Avg: 28.2rpg
Believe it Or Not: Since rebounding rate started being recorded in 1971, Jayson Williams has 2 of the top 5 highest offensive rebounding percentages. He is at #2 for is 97-98 season and #5 for 95-96 season. The other 3 spots in the top 5 were Rodman (#1, 3) and Malone (#4). Although his career was extremely brief, Williams was one of the best offensive rebounders in history.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:36am #587243

surveParticipantCharles Barkley and Jayson Williams of the 76ers
Barkley
- highest season avg of 14.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 15
- career rebound avg: 11.7
- 1x NBA rebound champion
Williams
- led league in offensive rebounds in 97-98 season with 6.8
- highest season avg of 13.6
Total Max Season Avg: 28.2rpg
Believe it Or Not: Since rebounding rate started being recorded in 1971, Jayson Williams has 2 of the top 5 highest offensive rebounding percentages. He is at #2 for is 97-98 season and #5 for 95-96 season. The other 3 spots in the top 5 were Rodman (#1, 3) and Malone (#4). Although his career was extremely brief, Williams was one of the best offensive rebounders in history.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:47am #586973

surveParticipantHakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley
Barkley
- highest season avg of 14.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 15
- career rebound avg: 11.7
- 1x NBA rebound champion
Olajuwon
- highest season avg of 14
- total seasons avg in double figures: 12
- career rebound avg: 11.1
- 2x NBA rebound champion
Total Max Season Avg: 28.6rpg
Interesting Fact: In 1993 Barkley won MVP honors and Hakeem was 2nd in voting.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:47am #587249

surveParticipantHakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley
Barkley
- highest season avg of 14.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 15
- career rebound avg: 11.7
- 1x NBA rebound champion
Olajuwon
- highest season avg of 14
- total seasons avg in double figures: 12
- career rebound avg: 11.1
- 2x NBA rebound champion
Total Max Season Avg: 28.6rpg
Interesting Fact: In 1993 Barkley won MVP honors and Hakeem was 2nd in voting.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:56am #586977

mikeyvthedonParticipantSeem like two who definitely could be in the convo. Wes Unseld and Elvin Hayes might be even better as an overall duo, 10th and 4th in All-Time rebounds. Modern day, I think Rodman and Robinson take the cake. They both were in their prime while playing together at the same time. You can’t go purely by average, otherwise Baylor and Chamberlain destroy all. But, I believe that Rodman and Robinson were two amazing rebounders, using that ability to the fullest in their two seasons together. These two just came to mind.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 10:56am #587253

mikeyvthedonParticipantSeem like two who definitely could be in the convo. Wes Unseld and Elvin Hayes might be even better as an overall duo, 10th and 4th in All-Time rebounds. Modern day, I think Rodman and Robinson take the cake. They both were in their prime while playing together at the same time. You can’t go purely by average, otherwise Baylor and Chamberlain destroy all. But, I believe that Rodman and Robinson were two amazing rebounders, using that ability to the fullest in their two seasons together. These two just came to mind.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:32am #587277

surveParticipantCould this be the best two to play together? (Just look at the double digit seasons.)
Moses Malone and Charles Barkley of the 76ers
Malone
- highest season avg of 17.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 16
- career rebound avg: 12.3
- 6x NBA rebound champion
Barkley
- highest season avg of 14.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 15
- career rebound avg: 11.7
- 1x NBA rebound champion
Total Max Season Avg: 32.2
Total Double Digit Seasons: 31
Fact: In 85-86 season, Barkley avg 12.6rpg and Malone avg 11.6 while playing together.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:32am #587000

surveParticipantCould this be the best two to play together? (Just look at the double digit seasons.)
Moses Malone and Charles Barkley of the 76ers
Malone
- highest season avg of 17.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 16
- career rebound avg: 12.3
- 6x NBA rebound champion
Barkley
- highest season avg of 14.6
- total seasons avg in double figures: 15
- career rebound avg: 11.7
- 1x NBA rebound champion
Total Max Season Avg: 32.2
Total Double Digit Seasons: 31
Fact: In 85-86 season, Barkley avg 12.6rpg and Malone avg 11.6 while playing together.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:57pm #587054

providencefriars1ParticipantKG and Shaq is a possible one. There are better options but they deserve a nomination none the less.
KG
Highest rpg: 03-04, 13.9
# of seasons with 10+ rpg: 9
Career rebound average: 10.7
Shaq
Highest rpg: 92-93, 13.9
# of seasons with 10+ rpg: 13
Career rebound average: 10.9
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 4:57pm #587331

providencefriars1ParticipantKG and Shaq is a possible one. There are better options but they deserve a nomination none the less.
KG
Highest rpg: 03-04, 13.9
# of seasons with 10+ rpg: 9
Career rebound average: 10.7
Shaq
Highest rpg: 92-93, 13.9
# of seasons with 10+ rpg: 13
Career rebound average: 10.9
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:32pm #587060

surveParticipantI may have used a bad choice for the title, it wasnt intended to pick the best but to list some of the best to have played together.
With that being said, there are others of mention.
MikeyV’s mention of Unseld and Hayes, Chamberlain and Baylor were certainly good. I think you forgot Nate Thurmond and Wilt Chamberlain…they were better than Chamberlain and Baylor (remember, this was about the best 2 rebounders to play together, not the best rebounding duo, again, apologies for the confusion)
I would like to mention Robinson and Duncan as well, Robinson having 10 double figure seasons, and Duncan having 13. This past season was the first year Duncan DIDNT avg double figures.
The best rebounding duo WHILE they played together was probably Rodman and Robinson (total aggregate together, as KDThunder35 said).
If you are talking stats its Chamberlain and Thurmond if I am not mistaken. (Thurmond had more total boards, higher avg, and more seasons in double figures than Baylor)
All things considered, with the different eras and I would go with Malone and Barkley as the best two to have played together. The 31 combined seasons avg in double figures gets it for me.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:32pm #587338

surveParticipantI may have used a bad choice for the title, it wasnt intended to pick the best but to list some of the best to have played together.
With that being said, there are others of mention.
MikeyV’s mention of Unseld and Hayes, Chamberlain and Baylor were certainly good. I think you forgot Nate Thurmond and Wilt Chamberlain…they were better than Chamberlain and Baylor (remember, this was about the best 2 rebounders to play together, not the best rebounding duo, again, apologies for the confusion)
I would like to mention Robinson and Duncan as well, Robinson having 10 double figure seasons, and Duncan having 13. This past season was the first year Duncan DIDNT avg double figures.
The best rebounding duo WHILE they played together was probably Rodman and Robinson (total aggregate together, as KDThunder35 said).
If you are talking stats its Chamberlain and Thurmond if I am not mistaken. (Thurmond had more total boards, higher avg, and more seasons in double figures than Baylor)
All things considered, with the different eras and I would go with Malone and Barkley as the best two to have played together. The 31 combined seasons avg in double figures gets it for me.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:33pm #587062

surveParticipantyes, KG and Shaq, forgot about that one.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:33pm #587340

surveParticipantyes, KG and Shaq, forgot about that one.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:46pm #587064

surveParticipantKG and Shaq are both top 25 IMO, so that was a good mention
Ewing and Oakley deserve mention as well, and they were a good duo, in 91 Oakley avg 12.1 and Ewing 11.2
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 5:46pm #587342

surveParticipantKG and Shaq are both top 25 IMO, so that was a good mention
Ewing and Oakley deserve mention as well, and they were a good duo, in 91 Oakley avg 12.1 and Ewing 11.2
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 6:01pm #587066

surveParticipantso….I guess that leaves us with some all time greats that didnt never played with another all time great in the rebounding catagory.
Russell. Just missed Cowens.
Dikembe. The best rebounders I can recall him playing with would be Derrick Coleman and Yao. Good rebounders but low totals.
Parish. He played with Bill Walton, again, Walton had short totals. Bird was a very good rebounder, but not one of the greatest of all times.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 6:01pm #587344

surveParticipantso….I guess that leaves us with some all time greats that didnt never played with another all time great in the rebounding catagory.
Russell. Just missed Cowens.
Dikembe. The best rebounders I can recall him playing with would be Derrick Coleman and Yao. Good rebounders but low totals.
Parish. He played with Bill Walton, again, Walton had short totals. Bird was a very good rebounder, but not one of the greatest of all times.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 6:41pm #587078

ItsVictorOladipoParticipantA couple more; Jerry Lucas and Nate Thurmond played together in San Francisco for a year.
Thurmond
- Widely considered the third greatest center of his era after Chamberlain and Russell.
- Averaged 18+ RPG for five consecutive seasons
- Career average of 15 RPG
- Career high of 22 RPG
Lucas
- Considered the premier rebounding Power Forward of his era
- Averaged 18+ RPG for five consecutive seasons
- Career average of 15.6 RPG
- Career high of 21.1 RPG
Total max season average: 43.1 RPG
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/10/2011 - 6:41pm #587356

ItsVictorOladipoParticipantA couple more; Jerry Lucas and Nate Thurmond played together in San Francisco for a year.
Thurmond
- Widely considered the third greatest center of his era after Chamberlain and Russell.
- Averaged 18+ RPG for five consecutive seasons
- Career average of 15 RPG
- Career high of 22 RPG
Lucas
- Considered the premier rebounding Power Forward of his era
- Averaged 18+ RPG for five consecutive seasons
- Career average of 15.6 RPG
- Career high of 21.1 RPG
Total max season average: 43.1 RPG
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:52am #587107

surveParticipantgood one
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:52am #587385

surveParticipantgood one
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:12am #587115

JoeWolf1I just had to bring this up because Bob Pettit is the best rebounder no one ever brings up, Clyde Lovette is a very good rebounder, but not great, but the 2 combined for over 30 a game in 1960-196. I realize that this era doesn’t translate and I think Rodman and Robinson could out rebound these two, but Bob Pettit doesn’t ever get any love on this forum so I had to drop a mention
Bob Pettit and Clyde Lovette
Bob Pettit – averaged 20.2 rpg in 1960-1961
3rd all time in rebounds per game 16.2 on his career…(career LOW of 12.4)
12,849 career rebounds
Clyde Lovette – averaged 10.1 rpg in 1960-61
career average of 9.5 rpg
career high of 14.0 rpg
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:12am #587393

JoeWolf1I just had to bring this up because Bob Pettit is the best rebounder no one ever brings up, Clyde Lovette is a very good rebounder, but not great, but the 2 combined for over 30 a game in 1960-196. I realize that this era doesn’t translate and I think Rodman and Robinson could out rebound these two, but Bob Pettit doesn’t ever get any love on this forum so I had to drop a mention
Bob Pettit and Clyde Lovette
Bob Pettit – averaged 20.2 rpg in 1960-1961
3rd all time in rebounds per game 16.2 on his career…(career LOW of 12.4)
12,849 career rebounds
Clyde Lovette – averaged 10.1 rpg in 1960-61
career average of 9.5 rpg
career high of 14.0 rpg
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:47am #587127

surveParticipant^ Pettit gets no love because he was a very long time ago, but excellent mention, and I researched and found that Pettit did actually play with 3 great rebounders…
Paul Silas, Zelmo Beatty, and Bill Bridges. All 4 played on the 64-65 St. Louis Hawks team.
Silas had 8 double figure seasons with a career high of 13rpg
Beatty had 8 double figure seasons with a career high of 15.7
Bridges had 9 double figure seasons with a career high of 15.1
that year, their avgs looked like this….
Pettit- 12.4rpg, Beatty 12.1, Bridges 10.8, Silas 7.3 and thats one season on the same team.
so again Joewolf, kudos to you on the mention.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:47am #587405

surveParticipant^ Pettit gets no love because he was a very long time ago, but excellent mention, and I researched and found that Pettit did actually play with 3 great rebounders…
Paul Silas, Zelmo Beatty, and Bill Bridges. All 4 played on the 64-65 St. Louis Hawks team.
Silas had 8 double figure seasons with a career high of 13rpg
Beatty had 8 double figure seasons with a career high of 15.7
Bridges had 9 double figure seasons with a career high of 15.1
that year, their avgs looked like this….
Pettit- 12.4rpg, Beatty 12.1, Bridges 10.8, Silas 7.3 and thats one season on the same team.
so again Joewolf, kudos to you on the mention.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:10am #587133

JoeWolf1Good find on the Pettit, Beatty, Bridges double digit rebounders. I was trying to find a trio that all averaged double digit rebounds for a single season. I was certain Bird, Parish and McHale did it at least once, but the closest they got was 87-88 with Bird at 9.2, McHale at 9.9 and Parish with 10.5 and 84-85 with Bird at 10.5 McHale at 9.0 and Parish at 10.6
Although they didn’t all hit double digits on a season, looking at rebounds alone it’s not hard to believe they won so many games.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:10am #587411

JoeWolf1Good find on the Pettit, Beatty, Bridges double digit rebounders. I was trying to find a trio that all averaged double digit rebounds for a single season. I was certain Bird, Parish and McHale did it at least once, but the closest they got was 87-88 with Bird at 9.2, McHale at 9.9 and Parish with 10.5 and 84-85 with Bird at 10.5 McHale at 9.0 and Parish at 10.6
Although they didn’t all hit double digits on a season, looking at rebounds alone it’s not hard to believe they won so many games.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:19am #587135

surveParticipant^ and those numbers are virtually double digits. u r only talkin about 1 rebound difference per year.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:19am #587413

surveParticipant^ and those numbers are virtually double digits. u r only talkin about 1 rebound difference per year.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:21am #587137

surveParticipantso….in their primes, I prefer Malone and Barkley. I can definitely see why anyone would want Robinson and Rodman in their primes. all things considered, what pair would you like to have in their primes?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:21am #587415

surveParticipantso….in their primes, I prefer Malone and Barkley. I can definitely see why anyone would want Robinson and Rodman in their primes. all things considered, what pair would you like to have in their primes?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:30am #587139

ItsVictorOladipoParticipantI like to give Pettit lots of props. And it really is unfair that he gets so little love because people (including people on this board) still place Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain among the top 5 if not top 3 all time centers despite dominating the same era as Pettit. Pettit put up 31.1 PPG and 18.7 RPG in 1962 which was also Chamberlain’s best statistical season. Also he scored 22.5 PPG and grabbed 12.4 rebounds per game in his last season before he retired at the age of 32 in 1965. Yes it was a different era but it doesn’t make much sense to constantly credit Chamberlain and Russell for their acheivements during this era but not Petit. I usually put him at #3 on my list of the top PF of all time just behind Duncan and Malone but ahead of Barkley, Garnett, McHale and Hayes.
It’s too bad that there aren’t more highlights of him. Some of these are repeated:
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:30am #587417

ItsVictorOladipoParticipantI like to give Pettit lots of props. And it really is unfair that he gets so little love because people (including people on this board) still place Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain among the top 5 if not top 3 all time centers despite dominating the same era as Pettit. Pettit put up 31.1 PPG and 18.7 RPG in 1962 which was also Chamberlain’s best statistical season. Also he scored 22.5 PPG and grabbed 12.4 rebounds per game in his last season before he retired at the age of 32 in 1965. Yes it was a different era but it doesn’t make much sense to constantly credit Chamberlain and Russell for their acheivements during this era but not Petit. I usually put him at #3 on my list of the top PF of all time just behind Duncan and Malone but ahead of Barkley, Garnett, McHale and Hayes.
It’s too bad that there aren’t more highlights of him. Some of these are repeated:
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:33am #587141

JoeWolf1Both in their primes, I’d have to go with Malone and Barkley too. They’re both bruisers and despite their height dis-advantage I like their style of rebounding better.
Rodman was a maniac, no doubt, but Robinson was more a finnesse rebounder. He was a 7’1” guy who was a great athlete, and got a lot of rebounds as a result, but I think you can say Moses and Chuck were both better pure rebounders than Robinson. Now, you throw Robinson’s scoring and shot blocking in the mix, it might be a different story, but from a purely rebounding standpoint, I go Malone and Barkley.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:33am #587419

JoeWolf1Both in their primes, I’d have to go with Malone and Barkley too. They’re both bruisers and despite their height dis-advantage I like their style of rebounding better.
Rodman was a maniac, no doubt, but Robinson was more a finnesse rebounder. He was a 7’1” guy who was a great athlete, and got a lot of rebounds as a result, but I think you can say Moses and Chuck were both better pure rebounders than Robinson. Now, you throw Robinson’s scoring and shot blocking in the mix, it might be a different story, but from a purely rebounding standpoint, I go Malone and Barkley.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 5:44am #587147

mikeyvthedonParticipantNot only did they play those two seasons while both in their relative prime, but their career achievements may justify them being the best rebounding duo. If you look at Total Rebound Percentage, which is a measure of the amount of available rebounds a player is able to grab while on the floor, Dennis Rodman is clearly the best of all time in this statistical measurement. I think, as a specialist, it is proven that The Worm is more than likely, the best rebounder in NBA history, just in his sheer ability to grab as many boards as were possibly available to him. His percentage of 23.9%, is 3% higher than the next in line, Dwight Howard (20.9%, amazing). Moses is ranked 4th, but is at 19.83%, while Charles is ranked 15th at 18.2%. David Robinson is ranked 27th, but less than a percentage point below Charles at 17.29%. Now, clearly, 41.19% is clearly higher than 38.09%, which are the two combined totals.
Unfortunately, this statistic is only updated until 1970-71, though at the same time that gives us a crystal clear outlook as how it effected these two particular duos. Unfortunately, it gives us little insight into the percentage of available rebounds players like Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor and even Nate Thurmond collected during their prime. They were all amazing, and if you add the two, it is quite obvious that the edge goes to Chamberlain and Thurmond over everyone, at least statistically. Still, they did only play two seasons together. The first of which, Thurmond was only a rookie, who averaged an obscene 10.4 boards per game off the bench (granted, he shot .395 from the field, which would be considered absolutely awful by todays standards, especially for a Center). The next season, Wilt only played 38 games with the Warriors, and by the time he was traded, the team had only won 11. They were 17-63 for the season, with Nate averaging 18 boards per game. Wilt averaged 23.5 in his 38 games with the than San Francisco Warriors. This means, that possibly the highest rebounding teammates ever to play together during a single NBA season, were basically on the dead last place team in the league.
Now, with Elgin, I was racking my brains as to how I could prove that he might have been a better rebounder than Thurmond. However, statistically, I can not do it. I just flat out forgot that Wilt even played with Nate during his last years in San Francisco, and I also felt that Baylor might have been a better rebounder than Nate while he played with Wilt in LA, though that does not seem to be the case (He averaged similar to Nates rookie year number, in a great deal more minutes). One thing I will say about Elgin, is that he was robbed of possibly having the greatest rebounding and statistical season of his career, at least to the full extent of games he could play. In 1961-62, Elgin averaged 38.3 ppg and 18.6 rpg, while only playing in 48 games. However, Elgin did not miss any games due to injury, but he was an Army Reservist who was called into active duty at the start of the season. He could only play for the Lakers when given a weekend pass, which lead to his only 48 out of a possible 80 games that year. The next year, he played every single game, and the year before that, 73. If Baylor had been able to play all 80 games, averaging the same amount of rebounds, he would have had 595 more rebounds that season, taking his career average from 13.55 to 13.73, and also moving him up from 25th to 21st on the All-Time total rebound leaders (he would be soon passed by Tim Duncan, but ahead of Dennis Rodman). Given that Elgin averaged a career high 19.8 the year before, if Elgin was allowed to actually be a regular basketball player rather than just a weekend warrior, who is to know that his averages would not be even higher?
I do not think it is fair to call someone a better pound for pound rebounder, though I believe that Moses Malone and Charles Barkley were better rebounders than David Robinson. It was just that Dennis Rodman, not even necessarily on a pound for pound basis, is more than likely the best rebounder to ever play the game, by far. JoeWolf, I think calling David Robinson a "finesse rebounder" kind of discredits the fact that he piled on boards like nobodies business. I remember Robinson having a bunch of 20/20 games during his day, and he lead the league in rebounding his second year in the league. He also probably would have been an even better statistical rebounder had he not been held away from the NBA to fulfill his duty to the Naval Academy. I doubt that really improved his ability as a basketball player, and I am guessing you could add to big rebounding seasons right out of the gate for "The Admiral". I do agree that Charles and Moses were better rebounders, but neither of them played with Dennis Rodman, and while David was below them as a player, I think Rodman might indeed lift them as a duo above anyone else out there.
Last couple side notes:
Defensive Rebounding % All-Time Leader: Bill Walton, 30.19%
Offensive Rebounding % All-Time Leader: Jayson Williams, 17.34%
Rodman is 3rd (behind Swen Nater) and 2nd on these two lists, but obviously destroys the combined mark. I know a lot of people tend to down play Bill Walton’s career, and it was fairly underwhelming statistically given he only played 482 games in a combined 10 playing seasons (he missed some full years), but he was a really amazing player. I highly suggest learning more about him, than you might realize why so many basketball people think so highly of him.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 5:44am #587425

mikeyvthedonParticipantNot only did they play those two seasons while both in their relative prime, but their career achievements may justify them being the best rebounding duo. If you look at Total Rebound Percentage, which is a measure of the amount of available rebounds a player is able to grab while on the floor, Dennis Rodman is clearly the best of all time in this statistical measurement. I think, as a specialist, it is proven that The Worm is more than likely, the best rebounder in NBA history, just in his sheer ability to grab as many boards as were possibly available to him. His percentage of 23.9%, is 3% higher than the next in line, Dwight Howard (20.9%, amazing). Moses is ranked 4th, but is at 19.83%, while Charles is ranked 15th at 18.2%. David Robinson is ranked 27th, but less than a percentage point below Charles at 17.29%. Now, clearly, 41.19% is clearly higher than 38.09%, which are the two combined totals.
Unfortunately, this statistic is only updated until 1970-71, though at the same time that gives us a crystal clear outlook as how it effected these two particular duos. Unfortunately, it gives us little insight into the percentage of available rebounds players like Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor and even Nate Thurmond collected during their prime. They were all amazing, and if you add the two, it is quite obvious that the edge goes to Chamberlain and Thurmond over everyone, at least statistically. Still, they did only play two seasons together. The first of which, Thurmond was only a rookie, who averaged an obscene 10.4 boards per game off the bench (granted, he shot .395 from the field, which would be considered absolutely awful by todays standards, especially for a Center). The next season, Wilt only played 38 games with the Warriors, and by the time he was traded, the team had only won 11. They were 17-63 for the season, with Nate averaging 18 boards per game. Wilt averaged 23.5 in his 38 games with the than San Francisco Warriors. This means, that possibly the highest rebounding teammates ever to play together during a single NBA season, were basically on the dead last place team in the league.
Now, with Elgin, I was racking my brains as to how I could prove that he might have been a better rebounder than Thurmond. However, statistically, I can not do it. I just flat out forgot that Wilt even played with Nate during his last years in San Francisco, and I also felt that Baylor might have been a better rebounder than Nate while he played with Wilt in LA, though that does not seem to be the case (He averaged similar to Nates rookie year number, in a great deal more minutes). One thing I will say about Elgin, is that he was robbed of possibly having the greatest rebounding and statistical season of his career, at least to the full extent of games he could play. In 1961-62, Elgin averaged 38.3 ppg and 18.6 rpg, while only playing in 48 games. However, Elgin did not miss any games due to injury, but he was an Army Reservist who was called into active duty at the start of the season. He could only play for the Lakers when given a weekend pass, which lead to his only 48 out of a possible 80 games that year. The next year, he played every single game, and the year before that, 73. If Baylor had been able to play all 80 games, averaging the same amount of rebounds, he would have had 595 more rebounds that season, taking his career average from 13.55 to 13.73, and also moving him up from 25th to 21st on the All-Time total rebound leaders (he would be soon passed by Tim Duncan, but ahead of Dennis Rodman). Given that Elgin averaged a career high 19.8 the year before, if Elgin was allowed to actually be a regular basketball player rather than just a weekend warrior, who is to know that his averages would not be even higher?
I do not think it is fair to call someone a better pound for pound rebounder, though I believe that Moses Malone and Charles Barkley were better rebounders than David Robinson. It was just that Dennis Rodman, not even necessarily on a pound for pound basis, is more than likely the best rebounder to ever play the game, by far. JoeWolf, I think calling David Robinson a "finesse rebounder" kind of discredits the fact that he piled on boards like nobodies business. I remember Robinson having a bunch of 20/20 games during his day, and he lead the league in rebounding his second year in the league. He also probably would have been an even better statistical rebounder had he not been held away from the NBA to fulfill his duty to the Naval Academy. I doubt that really improved his ability as a basketball player, and I am guessing you could add to big rebounding seasons right out of the gate for "The Admiral". I do agree that Charles and Moses were better rebounders, but neither of them played with Dennis Rodman, and while David was below them as a player, I think Rodman might indeed lift them as a duo above anyone else out there.
Last couple side notes:
Defensive Rebounding % All-Time Leader: Bill Walton, 30.19%
Offensive Rebounding % All-Time Leader: Jayson Williams, 17.34%
Rodman is 3rd (behind Swen Nater) and 2nd on these two lists, but obviously destroys the combined mark. I know a lot of people tend to down play Bill Walton’s career, and it was fairly underwhelming statistically given he only played 482 games in a combined 10 playing seasons (he missed some full years), but he was a really amazing player. I highly suggest learning more about him, than you might realize why so many basketball people think so highly of him.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 5:53am #587151

surveParticipant^ rebounding together in their prime, all things considered, Robinson and Rodman may not be able to be denied. I like Moses and Barkley because each of them had more double figure rebounding seasons than Robinson or Rodman even played total (14 each). Thats amazing to me. So there are cases to be made from different angles. Rodman and Robinson played together in their primes and killed it….Moses and Barkley had longevity as great rebounders….Thurmond and Chamberlain just had riduculously dumb totals and averages…etc…
this was a great introspective look and homage to some of the great rebounders.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 5:53am #587429

surveParticipant^ rebounding together in their prime, all things considered, Robinson and Rodman may not be able to be denied. I like Moses and Barkley because each of them had more double figure rebounding seasons than Robinson or Rodman even played total (14 each). Thats amazing to me. So there are cases to be made from different angles. Rodman and Robinson played together in their primes and killed it….Moses and Barkley had longevity as great rebounders….Thurmond and Chamberlain just had riduculously dumb totals and averages…etc…
this was a great introspective look and homage to some of the great rebounders.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 5:57am #587153

JoeWolf1I in no way was trying to discredit David Robinson, he’s always been a player I liked and respected, but from a style perspective you had Chuck and Moses who approached rebounding from a more physical standpoint. Robinson was a high volume rebounder and I vividly remember him having a 40/20 game in the playoffs in the mid 90’s but he was not as aggressive as Chuck or Moses on the glass, in my opinion.
I never thought David Robinson was soft and the word finesse wasn’t intended to make that jab again, but rather to point out his size and athletic prowess. Barkley and Malone were better rebounders and they were shorter and more physical players, that’s all.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 5:57am #587431

JoeWolf1I in no way was trying to discredit David Robinson, he’s always been a player I liked and respected, but from a style perspective you had Chuck and Moses who approached rebounding from a more physical standpoint. Robinson was a high volume rebounder and I vividly remember him having a 40/20 game in the playoffs in the mid 90’s but he was not as aggressive as Chuck or Moses on the glass, in my opinion.
I never thought David Robinson was soft and the word finesse wasn’t intended to make that jab again, but rather to point out his size and athletic prowess. Barkley and Malone were better rebounders and they were shorter and more physical players, that’s all.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 6:36am #587177

mikeyvthedonParticipantYeah, "finesse" has kind of turned into almost a synonym for soft. But, David Robinson, while he was maybe at times seen as overpowered by some better Centers (Hakeem and Shaq), was pretty damn amazing. It is honestly a tad surprising he was not even more dominant than he was, given his size and athleticism. Moses Malone and Barkley were both incredible, and had a fantastic number of double digit rebounding seasons, but honestly, career average becomes more important to me than how many a player might have had. As I said, you could throw two more in for David Robinson, who actually averaged more rebounds per game than Moses in his twilight years. Not saying he was better, I still rank Moses ahead of him as a rebounder and Center, but just saying that I think the total number of double digit seasons might be slightly overrated if you are looking for the best overall. Career, it means a lot, but overall, not as much. Also, Moses and Barkley only had one year as double digit rebounding teammates. I will go with the guys who were both in their collective prime, because otherwise you are not really taking into account how the two actually benefited each other with their skills while playing on the same team.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 6:36am #587455

mikeyvthedonParticipantYeah, "finesse" has kind of turned into almost a synonym for soft. But, David Robinson, while he was maybe at times seen as overpowered by some better Centers (Hakeem and Shaq), was pretty damn amazing. It is honestly a tad surprising he was not even more dominant than he was, given his size and athleticism. Moses Malone and Barkley were both incredible, and had a fantastic number of double digit rebounding seasons, but honestly, career average becomes more important to me than how many a player might have had. As I said, you could throw two more in for David Robinson, who actually averaged more rebounds per game than Moses in his twilight years. Not saying he was better, I still rank Moses ahead of him as a rebounder and Center, but just saying that I think the total number of double digit seasons might be slightly overrated if you are looking for the best overall. Career, it means a lot, but overall, not as much. Also, Moses and Barkley only had one year as double digit rebounding teammates. I will go with the guys who were both in their collective prime, because otherwise you are not really taking into account how the two actually benefited each other with their skills while playing on the same team.
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