Andrew Wiggins v.s. Jabari Parker Live Tonight

Pacific Standard Time. It takes place in Oregon.

Pacific Standard Time. It takes place in Oregon.

what channel?

what channel?

Here.

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What were their stats?

What were their stats?

Parker was in foul trouble for most of the game, I think he might have finished with 8. Parker looks great, no doubt, but he fouled out and Wiggins is a much better athlete. Parker is better at almost everything else at this point, though Wiggins potential on defense is much greater. Parker is stronger, a better passer, outside shooter and rebounder. Plus, his handle and court awareness is much better, Andrew Wiggins needs to learn to move without the ball, it has been a constant observation and is incredibly true. Wiggins won International MVP, Parker won USA MVP.

Whether these awards should have gone to Anthony Bennett and Archie Goodwin is a definite discussion one could have, especially with Goodwin. Parker may have had a better first two games, but Goodwin was the reason Canada did not win this game. He hustled his butt off and made tons of key baskets, finished with 23 and if he was not Tourney MVP, he was definitely the Game MVP, and Parker would probably not be amongst the top 3-4 players on his own team, based on this particular games performance. The kid is fantastic, just had Archie Goodwin, Jarnell Stokes, Tony Parker and Marcus Paige definitely make more of an impact in this particular game.

Parker was in foul trouble for most of the game, I think he might have finished with 8. Parker looks great, no doubt, but he fouled out and Wiggins is a much better athlete. Parker is better at almost everything else at this point, though Wiggins potential on defense is much greater. Parker is stronger, a better passer, outside shooter and rebounder. Plus, his handle and court awareness is much better, Andrew Wiggins needs to learn to move without the ball, it has been a constant observation and is incredibly true. Wiggins won International MVP, Parker won USA MVP.

Whether these awards should have gone to Anthony Bennett and Archie Goodwin is a definite discussion one could have, especially with Goodwin. Parker may have had a better first two games, but Goodwin was the reason Canada did not win this game. He hustled his butt off and made tons of key baskets, finished with 23 and if he was not Tourney MVP, he was definitely the Game MVP, and Parker would probably not be amongst the top 3-4 players on his own team, based on this particular games performance. The kid is fantastic, just had Archie Goodwin, Jarnell Stokes, Tony Parker and Marcus Paige definitely make more of an impact in this particular game.

So basically youre saying after watching Parker and Wiggins in the Championship game, seeing Wiggins go for 18 and 7 and Parker foul out with 8 Parker is byfar the better player…I dont buy that.

So basically youre saying after watching Parker and Wiggins in the Championship game, seeing Wiggins go for 18 and 7 and Parker foul out with 8 Parker is byfar the better player…I dont buy that.

i know this site love Parker SO MUCH..but i will tell you that in my eyes he is typical guy who is phenom at this stage but won’t be top guy after senior year and all those allstar games he just not that explosive or unique in something he is the guy who has became complete player year or two faster than others..and all in all Julius Randle from his class is something what i would say could be special…

Andrew is a different story seems to be really pretty unique guy

just my opinion 

i know this site love Parker SO MUCH..but i will tell you that in my eyes he is typical guy who is phenom at this stage but won’t be top guy after senior year and all those allstar games he just not that explosive or unique in something he is the guy who has became complete player year or two faster than others..and all in all Julius Randle from his class is something what i would say could be special…

Andrew is a different story seems to be really pretty unique guy

just my opinion 

It was, after all, one game. Andrew scored very little when Parker was guarding him. I definitely feel that Parker is the better player right now, but Andrew could indeed become better or comparable. Still, it was quite obvious that Parker was MUCH more polished, and I think that having watched them both multiple times, I can make that judgement call. Yes, Parker scored only 9 points in limited minutes, but the kid is incredibly smooth, and much more aware of where to be on a basketball court at this point. Andrew is a much better athlete, more than likely always will be, but Parker won Tournament MVP for a reason. Trust me, the numbers do not tell the whole story Bonner. Aaron Gordon had 30 points and Julius Randle had 11 in the game before, does that mean that Randle is not the better player? No, it is just one game.

It was, after all, one game. Andrew scored very little when Parker was guarding him. I definitely feel that Parker is the better player right now, but Andrew could indeed become better or comparable. Still, it was quite obvious that Parker was MUCH more polished, and I think that having watched them both multiple times, I can make that judgement call. Yes, Parker scored only 9 points in limited minutes, but the kid is incredibly smooth, and much more aware of where to be on a basketball court at this point. Andrew is a much better athlete, more than likely always will be, but Parker won Tournament MVP for a reason. Trust me, the numbers do not tell the whole story Bonner. Aaron Gordon had 30 points and Julius Randle had 11 in the game before, does that mean that Randle is not the better player? No, it is just one game.

I agree that Parker is the more polished all around player, but I do not think that we can go ahead and declare he is that much greater then Wiggins. Wiggins has alot to work on as far as his game goes, at the same time alot of things Andrew has to work on Parker is very skilled in and seems to only be getting better at such as playmaking dribbling and positioning. Wiggins is a better scorer and has a much better pro mentality from game to game. The defense seems to be about even as both are spectacular defenders and the rebounding is pretty even as well. Considering Wiggins is just on his first year of extremely competitive basketball (playing in the states), could put on more strength, is a better athlete, and already has a better pro mentality I would honestly say his upside is easily even if not superior to that of Jabari Parker. Sort of how DeMar Derozan’s upside was rated in his draft, and Jonas Valanciunas upside was rated in this years draft, (I know they are both Raptors but its true). They had skinny bodies which were projected to fill out, great court sense, athletic abillity, and pro work ethics that give them the higher projected cieling. But then thats just me being bias again isnt it. Julius Randle is another guy who projects to be much better just as lalaila stated. He has an amazing body which will only get better, great explosiveness which will only get greater when his body matures, and a skillset that is raw but shows to be extremely unique for his size. When he adds some range, consistancy on his jumper, begins to create a better consistant pro mentality, and starts to dominate he will be unstoppable. Defensively Randle also has some work to do if he wants to be a truely two ended bigman although I like how he projects more then Parker.

Honestly though I agree with you at this point Parker has "shown" us more, although I dont think he has really shown that much more to be considered the undisputed best non 2012 player just yet. I will be interested to see how long people say Parker is that much better then Randle and Wiggins.

I agree that Parker is the more polished all around player, but I do not think that we can go ahead and declare he is that much greater then Wiggins. Wiggins has alot to work on as far as his game goes, at the same time alot of things Andrew has to work on Parker is very skilled in and seems to only be getting better at such as playmaking dribbling and positioning. Wiggins is a better scorer and has a much better pro mentality from game to game. The defense seems to be about even as both are spectacular defenders and the rebounding is pretty even as well. Considering Wiggins is just on his first year of extremely competitive basketball (playing in the states), could put on more strength, is a better athlete, and already has a better pro mentality I would honestly say his upside is easily even if not superior to that of Jabari Parker. Sort of how DeMar Derozan’s upside was rated in his draft, and Jonas Valanciunas upside was rated in this years draft, (I know they are both Raptors but its true). They had skinny bodies which were projected to fill out, great court sense, athletic abillity, and pro work ethics that give them the higher projected cieling. But then thats just me being bias again isnt it. Julius Randle is another guy who projects to be much better just as lalaila stated. He has an amazing body which will only get better, great explosiveness which will only get greater when his body matures, and a skillset that is raw but shows to be extremely unique for his size. When he adds some range, consistancy on his jumper, begins to create a better consistant pro mentality, and starts to dominate he will be unstoppable. Defensively Randle also has some work to do if he wants to be a truely two ended bigman although I like how he projects more then Parker.

Honestly though I agree with you at this point Parker has "shown" us more, although I dont think he has really shown that much more to be considered the undisputed best non 2012 player just yet. I will be interested to see how long people say Parker is that much better then Randle and Wiggins.

And quite honestly for a man to foul out he must not have played perfect defense. You are not supposed to foul or you leave the game plain and simple. Wiggins got his even if it was when Parker was on the bench.

And quite honestly for a man to foul out he must not have played perfect defense. You are not supposed to foul or you leave the game plain and simple. Wiggins got his even if it was when Parker was on the bench.

I think Parker has shown why he is ranked where he is( everywhere he’s played he has dominated from what I’ve read) Wiggins played very well here but he seems to not always bring it. I haven’t watched him much but when i read about camps or tournaments he’s played in he’s played well but sometimes doesn’t dominate unlike Parker. I think this is Parkers 2nd or third MVP at a major event this summer and i think Wiggins and Randle played in at least one of the events(i think Wiggins played in the u16 event).

Parker is more skilled by a nice margin but Wiggins seems to have more upside because he has a nice amount of skills and he’s more athletic

Was Wiggins held back? I ask because he’s the same age as Parker but he’s a rising soph and Parker is a rising Jr

With all that said i think Wiggins is the clear cut second best player in his class (just a half a step behind Theo Pinson who not only scores but plays well off the ball and is a very good passer)

I think Parker has shown why he is ranked where he is( everywhere he’s played he has dominated from what I’ve read) Wiggins played very well here but he seems to not always bring it. I haven’t watched him much but when i read about camps or tournaments he’s played in he’s played well but sometimes doesn’t dominate unlike Parker. I think this is Parkers 2nd or third MVP at a major event this summer and i think Wiggins and Randle played in at least one of the events(i think Wiggins played in the u16 event).

Parker is more skilled by a nice margin but Wiggins seems to have more upside because he has a nice amount of skills and he’s more athletic

Was Wiggins held back? I ask because he’s the same age as Parker but he’s a rising soph and Parker is a rising Jr

With all that said i think Wiggins is the clear cut second best player in his class (just a half a step behind Theo Pinson who not only scores but plays well off the ball and is a very good passer)

That is what I was talking about. I do not think that Parker "will be much greater", but I do think he is the better player right now. I am not putting Andrew down at all, he is a fantastic young prospect. Still, at this point, Parker is the better player. Time will tell who actually is better, and I would not count Andrew out in the least. But, at this point, Jabari is the same age and has a head start skill set wise. I did say that I believe that Wiggins is a better defender, and Jabari did not play perfect defense.

Still, when they were matched up against each other, Jabari looked a lot more confident against Andrew than Andrew looked against him. Yes, you are Canadian, OhCanada. I think you probably know I live in Toronto and am Canadian as well (dual, but still born and raised in Canada). But, I do not let it cloud my judgement. I am a big fan of Wiggins, and I do believe he has a higher upside than Parker. I was cheering for Andrew, I want Andrew to be the better player, I am in his corner. But, if you look at them right now, Parker has a much tighter all-around game and is a more active player. He was not perfect defensively, neither was Andrew, but the guy moves incredibly well with and without the ball. Andrew has not figured out the second part yet, he will stand in the corner and do very little, which he needs to work on.

Still, I just stated that right now, Parker is the better player. Wiggins definitely had the better game, and he is a fantastic young player. Still, they are separated by three weeks, Jabari actually being younger. One thing Jabari will never have is Wiggin’s speed and athleticism, but it is still yet to be determined as to whether Andrew will catch up in certain areas that Parker excels in as far as basketball ability. Can he? Absolutely. But, I think I clearly stated that this was an assessment of right now, not overreacting to one game between two fantastic young players. If you are letting statistics do the talking, than you did not get the full story.

That is what I was talking about. I do not think that Parker "will be much greater", but I do think he is the better player right now. I am not putting Andrew down at all, he is a fantastic young prospect. Still, at this point, Parker is the better player. Time will tell who actually is better, and I would not count Andrew out in the least. But, at this point, Jabari is the same age and has a head start skill set wise. I did say that I believe that Wiggins is a better defender, and Jabari did not play perfect defense.

Still, when they were matched up against each other, Jabari looked a lot more confident against Andrew than Andrew looked against him. Yes, you are Canadian, OhCanada. I think you probably know I live in Toronto and am Canadian as well (dual, but still born and raised in Canada). But, I do not let it cloud my judgement. I am a big fan of Wiggins, and I do believe he has a higher upside than Parker. I was cheering for Andrew, I want Andrew to be the better player, I am in his corner. But, if you look at them right now, Parker has a much tighter all-around game and is a more active player. He was not perfect defensively, neither was Andrew, but the guy moves incredibly well with and without the ball. Andrew has not figured out the second part yet, he will stand in the corner and do very little, which he needs to work on.

Still, I just stated that right now, Parker is the better player. Wiggins definitely had the better game, and he is a fantastic young player. Still, they are separated by three weeks, Jabari actually being younger. One thing Jabari will never have is Wiggin’s speed and athleticism, but it is still yet to be determined as to whether Andrew will catch up in certain areas that Parker excels in as far as basketball ability. Can he? Absolutely. But, I think I clearly stated that this was an assessment of right now, not overreacting to one game between two fantastic young players. If you are letting statistics do the talking, than you did not get the full story.

Parker is the better player now, although you cant teach athletisism…but you can teach skills to a talented player. Like I said it should be interesting to watch how they progress, I just doubt Parker has the athletisism to be an elite star and I believe Wiggins has the work ethic to learn the skills he needs to be an elite star. These are two completely different scenerios, it has nothing to do with my "clouded judgement" the guy is just not a premeire athlete.

Parker is the better player now, although you cant teach athletisism…but you can teach skills to a talented player. Like I said it should be interesting to watch how they progress, I just doubt Parker has the athletisism to be an elite star and I believe Wiggins has the work ethic to learn the skills he needs to be an elite star. These are two completely different scenerios, it has nothing to do with my "clouded judgement" the guy is just not a premeire athlete.

Just to jump in here, Jabari Parker is no slouch athletically by any means. He’s 6’8 at 16 years old and by all accounts this summer has actually improved athletically and could easily continue to do so. Coupling that with his outstanding skillset for his age and size, and I would say that he is a better prospect, at least in my opinion. No knock on Andrew Wiggins cause there are definitely aspects of his game that are better than Parker’s, but give me Parker in the long run.

Just to jump in here, Jabari Parker is no slouch athletically by any means. He’s 6’8 at 16 years old and by all accounts this summer has actually improved athletically and could easily continue to do so. Coupling that with his outstanding skillset for his age and size, and I would say that he is a better prospect, at least in my opinion. No knock on Andrew Wiggins cause there are definitely aspects of his game that are better than Parker’s, but give me Parker in the long run.

^^ thats true, Parker is a very good athlete as well. He’s already more skilled at the same age and as Wiggins develops more skills so will Parker. He’s not gonna just stop learning while others learn

^^ thats true, Parker is a very good athlete as well. He’s already more skilled at the same age and as Wiggins develops more skills so will Parker. He’s not gonna just stop learning while others learn

Parker is not going to stop learning, but that does not mean that Wiggins eventually catches up to Parker in a few areas as well. Jabari is really not a bad athlete, I think he is actually fairly above average. But, Wiggins is incredible as far as that goes, and I think that he could still add to his frame as well. They are both obviously very early developers, but I think as far as potential goes, Andrew has more due to his athleticism. They are around equal in length, Jabari does indeed outweigh Andrew by about 25-30 pounds, and still seems to be in solid condition. Andrew Wiggins has incredible quickness though, and while he still needs to work on his shooting mechanics, he is not a slouch in this department either.

The biggest thing that separates the two is Jabari appears to have a much better sense of where to be on both ends of the court. A major complaint about Andrew, which I have found to be valid, is that he has yet to become very active without the ball. He rarely sets screens, which is not incredibly concerning, as he would be the person you would usually set screens for, but he also seems to just stand in the corner at times. It was said that this was a habit he picked up playing at Vaughan last year, where he could draw in the defense to his side. Well, against better competition, he can not continue doing this, and it almost appears as him being disinterested. That is why people have questioned his motor at times, because it almost seems like he takes plays off.

As I said, I think incredibly highly of Andrew and I want him to be successful, but I was trying to drive home that Jabari Parker is clearly more advanced at this point. What the future holds is anyones guess, but the fact that Parker is this polished at such a young age is the reason why so many people are incredibly high on him. Andrew could catch up, and than people might be even higher on him, but Andrew has two more years to Jabari’s one. Throw in the fact that Jabari had a more consistent summer against better competition (Andrew received the most props for crushing a U-16 tourney, while Jabari was indeed more consistent at the U-17 level). I would have loved to see them play at the U-16 Tournament of America’s, but unfortunately, for one reason or another, Andrew decided not to play, while Jabari went on to win MVP of the tournament. 

Jabari Parker has been a HUGE part of Simeon HS ever since his freshman season (not even Derrick Rose played varsity as a freshman at Simeon), and has won two Illinois State titles in as many years. Honestly, Andrew playing at Vaughan may have been the best thing for him this year, but coming to the States is becoming necessarily to consistenly play against top competition. Andrew dominated basketball in Ontario, and while he will still more than likely be great at Huntington, it will definitely be against better opponents, in practices and games. I think Andrew coming to the States will be excellent for his development and even exposure, which was already high even in Canada. I am sure come next summer, this debate could be much closer, as both of them will take even more of the forefront at the highest level of competition.

Parker is not going to stop learning, but that does not mean that Wiggins eventually catches up to Parker in a few areas as well. Jabari is really not a bad athlete, I think he is actually fairly above average. But, Wiggins is incredible as far as that goes, and I think that he could still add to his frame as well. They are both obviously very early developers, but I think as far as potential goes, Andrew has more due to his athleticism. They are around equal in length, Jabari does indeed outweigh Andrew by about 25-30 pounds, and still seems to be in solid condition. Andrew Wiggins has incredible quickness though, and while he still needs to work on his shooting mechanics, he is not a slouch in this department either.

The biggest thing that separates the two is Jabari appears to have a much better sense of where to be on both ends of the court. A major complaint about Andrew, which I have found to be valid, is that he has yet to become very active without the ball. He rarely sets screens, which is not incredibly concerning, as he would be the person you would usually set screens for, but he also seems to just stand in the corner at times. It was said that this was a habit he picked up playing at Vaughan last year, where he could draw in the defense to his side. Well, against better competition, he can not continue doing this, and it almost appears as him being disinterested. That is why people have questioned his motor at times, because it almost seems like he takes plays off.

As I said, I think incredibly highly of Andrew and I want him to be successful, but I was trying to drive home that Jabari Parker is clearly more advanced at this point. What the future holds is anyones guess, but the fact that Parker is this polished at such a young age is the reason why so many people are incredibly high on him. Andrew could catch up, and than people might be even higher on him, but Andrew has two more years to Jabari’s one. Throw in the fact that Jabari had a more consistent summer against better competition (Andrew received the most props for crushing a U-16 tourney, while Jabari was indeed more consistent at the U-17 level). I would have loved to see them play at the U-16 Tournament of America’s, but unfortunately, for one reason or another, Andrew decided not to play, while Jabari went on to win MVP of the tournament. 

Jabari Parker has been a HUGE part of Simeon HS ever since his freshman season (not even Derrick Rose played varsity as a freshman at Simeon), and has won two Illinois State titles in as many years. Honestly, Andrew playing at Vaughan may have been the best thing for him this year, but coming to the States is becoming necessarily to consistenly play against top competition. Andrew dominated basketball in Ontario, and while he will still more than likely be great at Huntington, it will definitely be against better opponents, in practices and games. I think Andrew coming to the States will be excellent for his development and even exposure, which was already high even in Canada. I am sure come next summer, this debate could be much closer, as both of them will take even more of the forefront at the highest level of competition.

 I did not expect Wiggins to make up so much ground on Parker this fast. His jumper,handles, and all around game has improved to the point that he just might be the top overall player