Is the 2012 draft going to be one of the BEST EVER?

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you have to think atleast a few of those guys arent gonna live up to the expectations,atleast right away,but its insane how deep this draft could…You also have to factor in junior or senior or two having a Jimmer like year and that could really put this draft as one of the best

you have to think atleast a few of those guys arent gonna live up to the expectations,atleast right away,but its insane how deep this draft could…You also have to factor in junior or senior or two having a Jimmer like year and that could really put this draft as one of the best

I really think this draft has the potential to be great, I dont think were going to get any Superstars from this draft but I think there will be many from this draft class that will be allstars at least once in their career.

And add Thomas Robinson to that list. He outplayed every prospect at camp and expect him to be one of the best frontcourt players in the nation next season.

Heres some quotes from ESPN from the Amare Stoudamire Skills Academy

" If Robinson plays his junior season at Kansas the way he played at the Amar’e Stoudamire Skills Academy on Saturday, that increased recognition — and a cherished lottery spot in the jam-packed 2012 NBA draft — is sure to follow."
"it’s not easy to step into a gym with Sullinger, Yarou, Oriakhi, Mason and Miles Plumlee and even touted Kentucky freshman Anthony Davis and look like the best player on the floor. That’s what Robinson did Saturday. If all goes as planned, we’ll remember that performance as a mere preview of what Kansas fans have to look forward to in 2011-12. By then, everyone will know Thomas Robinson’s name. Only this time, it’ll be on his terms."

I really think this draft has the potential to be great, I dont think were going to get any Superstars from this draft but I think there will be many from this draft class that will be allstars at least once in their career.

And add Thomas Robinson to that list. He outplayed every prospect at camp and expect him to be one of the best frontcourt players in the nation next season.

Heres some quotes from ESPN from the Amare Stoudamire Skills Academy

" If Robinson plays his junior season at Kansas the way he played at the Amar’e Stoudamire Skills Academy on Saturday, that increased recognition — and a cherished lottery spot in the jam-packed 2012 NBA draft — is sure to follow."
"it’s not easy to step into a gym with Sullinger, Yarou, Oriakhi, Mason and Miles Plumlee and even touted Kentucky freshman Anthony Davis and look like the best player on the floor. That’s what Robinson did Saturday. If all goes as planned, we’ll remember that performance as a mere preview of what Kansas fans have to look forward to in 2011-12. By then, everyone will know Thomas Robinson’s name. Only this time, it’ll be on his terms."

This 2012 draft class is completely loaded…this puts the 2011 draft class to shame!

This 2012 draft class is completely loaded…this puts the 2011 draft class to shame!

Not to mention Zeller, Marshall, Middleton, Waayns, and Joshua Smith could all move into the lottery conversation with good seasons

Not to mention Zeller, Marshall, Middleton, Waayns, and Joshua Smith could all move into the lottery conversation with good seasons

It will be a good draft, no doubt about it, but  I have given up on trying to predict players careers. I think this will end up being a top 5 to 10 draft, with a 3-4 franchise players. But remember, 1984 had MJ, Stockton, Chuck, Hakeem plus a couple all stars. 96 had Kobe, Nash, Iverson, Allen, Marbury, Abdur Raheem, Anotine Walker, Jermaine Oneal, and Peja. All of these players were at one point considered the cornerstone of a franchise(except for maybe Peja, but only because of Chris Webber). Plus Dampier, Kerry Kittles would have been a good player if not for injuries, and there is still Fisher, and Marcus Camby. So best ever may be a bold prediction, but this draft does have the potential to be the best ever.

Ona sidenote, great post considering it was your first. Usually new people post stupid topics and whine and complain about getting negs.  

It will be a good draft, no doubt about it, but  I have given up on trying to predict players careers. I think this will end up being a top 5 to 10 draft, with a 3-4 franchise players. But remember, 1984 had MJ, Stockton, Chuck, Hakeem plus a couple all stars. 96 had Kobe, Nash, Iverson, Allen, Marbury, Abdur Raheem, Anotine Walker, Jermaine Oneal, and Peja. All of these players were at one point considered the cornerstone of a franchise(except for maybe Peja, but only because of Chris Webber). Plus Dampier, Kerry Kittles would have been a good player if not for injuries, and there is still Fisher, and Marcus Camby. So best ever may be a bold prediction, but this draft does have the potential to be the best ever.

Ona sidenote, great post considering it was your first. Usually new people post stupid topics and whine and complain about getting negs.  

More likely

 Franchise Players

  – Harrison Barnes

  – Anthony Davis

  – Austin Rivers

  – Michael Gilchrist

  – Jared Sullinger

  – Andre Drummond (if can enter) 

 Second and third options of franchise

  – Perry Jones

  – Terrence Jones

  – Tony Wroten jr.

  – Quincy Miller

  – Marquis Teague

  – Kendall Marshall

  – Jeremy Lamb

  – Doron Lamb

  – James McAdoo

  – Myck Kabongo

  – Brad Beal

  – LeBryan Nash

  – Adonis Thomas (I haver high hopes for him, i hope not Rodney Williams 2.0 )

  – CJ Leslie

 Complementary Players

  – John Henson

  – Tyler Zeller

  – Reggie Bullock

  – John Jenkis

  – Maalik Wayns

  – Terrence Ross

  – Mason Plumlee

  – Kris Joseph

  – Thomas Robinson

  – Williams Buford

  – Renardo Sidney

  – Draymond Green

  – Jeffery Taylor

  – Rodney Williams

  Sorry if i miss one

More likely

 Franchise Players

  – Harrison Barnes

  – Anthony Davis

  – Austin Rivers

  – Michael Gilchrist

  – Jared Sullinger

  – Andre Drummond (if can enter) 

 Second and third options of franchise

  – Perry Jones

  – Terrence Jones

  – Tony Wroten jr.

  – Quincy Miller

  – Marquis Teague

  – Kendall Marshall

  – Jeremy Lamb

  – Doron Lamb

  – James McAdoo

  – Myck Kabongo

  – Brad Beal

  – LeBryan Nash

  – Adonis Thomas (I haver high hopes for him, i hope not Rodney Williams 2.0 )

  – CJ Leslie

 Complementary Players

  – John Henson

  – Tyler Zeller

  – Reggie Bullock

  – John Jenkis

  – Maalik Wayns

  – Terrence Ross

  – Mason Plumlee

  – Kris Joseph

  – Thomas Robinson

  – Williams Buford

  – Renardo Sidney

  – Draymond Green

  – Jeffery Taylor

  – Rodney Williams

  Sorry if i miss one

Great class, but not best ever.  1984 had Jordan, Olajuwon (two of the best 10 players all time), Barkley and Stockton (4 of the best 50 players all time).  As good as the 2012 class is the only person with a potential to be a top ten player all time (and the key word is Potential) is Andre Drummond, and we are not sure whether or not he will actually come out.  The 2012 draft class is loaded with tons of NBA talent, but not enough Elite talent to be considered as good as the class of 84.

Great class, but not best ever.  1984 had Jordan, Olajuwon (two of the best 10 players all time), Barkley and Stockton (4 of the best 50 players all time).  As good as the 2012 class is the only person with a potential to be a top ten player all time (and the key word is Potential) is Andre Drummond, and we are not sure whether or not he will actually come out.  The 2012 draft class is loaded with tons of NBA talent, but not enough Elite talent to be considered as good as the class of 84.

 I think right now, it has the potential to be the best. HOWEVER, we have to wait and see. Who says some of those guys don’t stay back a year?

Every year, there’s a couple guys who stay back ( Jared Sullinger, Greg Monroe, Blake Griffin, Joakmi Noah in years past) so we should slow down.

 I think right now, it has the potential to be the best. HOWEVER, we have to wait and see. Who says some of those guys don’t stay back a year?

Every year, there’s a couple guys who stay back ( Jared Sullinger, Greg Monroe, Blake Griffin, Joakmi Noah in years past) so we should slow down.

 While that other guy made a list of 18 players who have lottery level talent theres several he left out possessing that kind of talent and play who will be in next years draft. Not on the list of 18 are four guys from the 2010 recruiting class who are going to be in this coming draft who in all likelihood are going to have great seasons. Will Barton who we forget is a freak on the court since Memphis didn’t have as great of a season as it usually does, and will have a more experienced mentality to go with his skill along with a more experienced team which had alot of highly talented underclassmen. CJ Leslie who a year ago everyone was saying is a beast but didn’t have as big of an impact as everyone was expecting. However this doesnt change the expectations of him being a major college player and pro prospect. Someone who few remember probably in Tony Mitchell who was expected to be unreal as a 6 " 8 small forward, but disappeared on the court since he was found ineligible due to NCAA violations. Mitchells now enrolled at North Texas since hes virtually untouchable by major programs since he has so much negative press at a time when the NCAA is seriously on patrol. Not to mention Patric Young who everywhere I look writers are saying expect him to have a great season with boy genius Billy Donovan, Patrics physical tools, and a much bigger role with Florida losing Macklin and Tyus I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this is the case. I also read somewhere I forgot where that pro scouts love his potential with his strength and athleticism. Throw in the freshman who ty (made the list of 18) left out in LeBryan Nash, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and Adonis Thomas and you’re talking 25 lottery level talent players that you know of going into the season. By seasons end you could be talking 30 with upperclassmen play. I would go as far as to say that the 2012draft compares to 03 and 08. Theres going to be a handful of superstars here and an army of allstars caliber players. 

 While that other guy made a list of 18 players who have lottery level talent theres several he left out possessing that kind of talent and play who will be in next years draft. Not on the list of 18 are four guys from the 2010 recruiting class who are going to be in this coming draft who in all likelihood are going to have great seasons. Will Barton who we forget is a freak on the court since Memphis didn’t have as great of a season as it usually does, and will have a more experienced mentality to go with his skill along with a more experienced team which had alot of highly talented underclassmen. CJ Leslie who a year ago everyone was saying is a beast but didn’t have as big of an impact as everyone was expecting. However this doesnt change the expectations of him being a major college player and pro prospect. Someone who few remember probably in Tony Mitchell who was expected to be unreal as a 6 " 8 small forward, but disappeared on the court since he was found ineligible due to NCAA violations. Mitchells now enrolled at North Texas since hes virtually untouchable by major programs since he has so much negative press at a time when the NCAA is seriously on patrol. Not to mention Patric Young who everywhere I look writers are saying expect him to have a great season with boy genius Billy Donovan, Patrics physical tools, and a much bigger role with Florida losing Macklin and Tyus I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this is the case. I also read somewhere I forgot where that pro scouts love his potential with his strength and athleticism. Throw in the freshman who ty (made the list of 18) left out in LeBryan Nash, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and Adonis Thomas and you’re talking 25 lottery level talent players that you know of going into the season. By seasons end you could be talking 30 with upperclassmen play. I would go as far as to say that the 2012draft compares to 03 and 08. Theres going to be a handful of superstars here and an army of allstars caliber players. 

This no doubt one of the most talented classes ever. Will it be the best? I dont know , but it has the potential to be mentioned amongst the best. The talent in this class is very similar to the talent of the 96 draft class (possibly the greatest draft class ever). I dont know if these guys will turn out to be as good as 96, but no doubt the talent and depth is there. CANT WAIT!

This no doubt one of the most talented classes ever. Will it be the best? I dont know , but it has the potential to be mentioned amongst the best. The talent in this class is very similar to the talent of the 96 draft class (possibly the greatest draft class ever). I dont know if these guys will turn out to be as good as 96, but no doubt the talent and depth is there. CANT WAIT!

Doron Lamb a lottery pick?  Klay Thompson blows him out of the water and he went at 11 last draft, why would lamb smell the lottery.

Doron Lamb a lottery pick?  Klay Thompson blows him out of the water and he went at 11 last draft, why would lamb smell the lottery.

If we say that there are maybe between 12 to 18 guys who could go say top 5, add in a few players who could do a Derrick Williams,Blake Griffin, Jimmer etc and shot up the mocks with another year in college – this is opposed to guys like Barnes who have mainly been considered very likely high picks – Griffin/Williams etc weren’t really top 5 prospects in their NCAA freshman year IMO.

If we get say 15 legit prospects from that and say 33% may not live up to the hype then you could still well have say 10 live prospects who could be considered possible All Star potential in due course.

If we say that there are maybe between 12 to 18 guys who could go say top 5, add in a few players who could do a Derrick Williams,Blake Griffin, Jimmer etc and shot up the mocks with another year in college – this is opposed to guys like Barnes who have mainly been considered very likely high picks – Griffin/Williams etc weren’t really top 5 prospects in their NCAA freshman year IMO.

If we get say 15 legit prospects from that and say 33% may not live up to the hype then you could still well have say 10 live prospects who could be considered possible All Star potential in due course.

I am very excited for this draft…I just hope all the Kentucky guys don’t leave lol…But if they do they do they will more than likely be ready to take on the NBA.

This very well could be the best ever and there will probably be a lot of talented guys that go undrafted also.

I am very excited for this draft…I just hope all the Kentucky guys don’t leave lol…But if they do they do they will more than likely be ready to take on the NBA.

This very well could be the best ever and there will probably be a lot of talented guys that go undrafted also.

 Here’s the real question. Assuming ALL these players are available, who do you think will be the best?

My top three, in order, are Quincy Miller, Anthony Davis and Michael Gilchrist, with Drummond, Rivers and Barnes just SLIGHTLY below. I love Quincy Miller, and I can firmly say that if hadn’t injured his knee this year, we would be talking about a top 3 pick right now.

 Here’s the real question. Assuming ALL these players are available, who do you think will be the best?

My top three, in order, are Quincy Miller, Anthony Davis and Michael Gilchrist, with Drummond, Rivers and Barnes just SLIGHTLY below. I love Quincy Miller, and I can firmly say that if hadn’t injured his knee this year, we would be talking about a top 3 pick right now.

Given that there are a lot of players that are potentially lottery picks, there are going to be a lot of bust also.

But anyone calling this class the best ever is blowing there load way to fast.

Given that there are a lot of players that are potentially lottery picks, there are going to be a lot of bust also.

But anyone calling this class the best ever is blowing there load way to fast.

 in 10 years we will see if this class really is as good as 1984 and 1996

 in 10 years we will see if this class really is as good as 1984 and 1996

 You have to remember we don’t know exactly what will happen in these guys careers. You certainly don’t have any proof that any of these guys can’t be the greatest ever.. You can’t see the future. You just go off potential but that doesn’t mean how good they can be is limited. This could be the greatest draft ever with the greatest player ever or a terrible draft that just has a bunch of busts.. None of us know.. Its great to guess but don’t automatically say its impossible for any of these guys to be a top 10 player ever.

 You have to remember we don’t know exactly what will happen in these guys careers. You certainly don’t have any proof that any of these guys can’t be the greatest ever.. You can’t see the future. You just go off potential but that doesn’t mean how good they can be is limited. This could be the greatest draft ever with the greatest player ever or a terrible draft that just has a bunch of busts.. None of us know.. Its great to guess but don’t automatically say its impossible for any of these guys to be a top 10 player ever.

Anthony Davis is not going to be a franchise player, to whoever put him in the franchise player list.

Anthony Davis is not going to be a franchise player, to whoever put him in the franchise player list.

 But Anthony Davis is a first pick option for a reason my man. The kid is real. I do not think this draft has 7 franchise players or whatever people are saying, but if there are 5, Davis is in there. Where would you rank Davis? Yes, he is skinny and has only been on the scene for a while, and his HS team was straight up wack, but this kid has game. His athleticism and speed for his size is special. I could see MAYBE ranking Harrison Barnes and Quincy Miller as better NBA prospects (and Drummond if he does enter), but I think this kid is REAL. Just want to know what has lead you too think otherwise. This draft class is strong, and I think Davis is right at the top. Kevin Garnett may be a lofty comparison, but I could see Chris Bosh type things from Davis in the future. 

 But Anthony Davis is a first pick option for a reason my man. The kid is real. I do not think this draft has 7 franchise players or whatever people are saying, but if there are 5, Davis is in there. Where would you rank Davis? Yes, he is skinny and has only been on the scene for a while, and his HS team was straight up wack, but this kid has game. His athleticism and speed for his size is special. I could see MAYBE ranking Harrison Barnes and Quincy Miller as better NBA prospects (and Drummond if he does enter), but I think this kid is REAL. Just want to know what has lead you too think otherwise. This draft class is strong, and I think Davis is right at the top. Kevin Garnett may be a lofty comparison, but I could see Chris Bosh type things from Davis in the future. 

I don’t think he’s polished enough as a player or aggressive enough to be a true franchise player. Chris Bosh, who you compared him to, wasn’t even a true franchise player and he’s not as skilled as Bosh was. He’s smooth as an athlete and he’s got some of the guard skills he had when he was shorter, but I don’t see the killer instinct, aggressiveness/toughness, or the polished scoring arsenal of a franchise player. I have a hard time believing a guy can play on a team THAT bad in HS and be expected to carry an NBA team. At the end of the day he is a top 2 recruit and he’s playing HS competition.

I don’t think he’s polished enough as a player or aggressive enough to be a true franchise player. Chris Bosh, who you compared him to, wasn’t even a true franchise player and he’s not as skilled as Bosh was. He’s smooth as an athlete and he’s got some of the guard skills he had when he was shorter, but I don’t see the killer instinct, aggressiveness/toughness, or the polished scoring arsenal of a franchise player. I have a hard time believing a guy can play on a team THAT bad in HS and be expected to carry an NBA team. At the end of the day he is a top 2 recruit and he’s playing HS competition.

 There are very few true franchise players in the NBA, if he becomes a perennial all star that is good enough

 There are very few true franchise players in the NBA, if he becomes a perennial all star that is good enough

Completely agree with Iggy on this one.

Completely agree with Iggy on this one.

 Barnes looks like the clear best player in the 2012 draft as much as I hate all tar heel players, but Im big on Perry Jones. I think he has the most potential in 2012 draft and could end up being the best of the class. Hes a freak if you wach him hes got the play of a guard but stands 6"11. He needs to be more ascertive and take control and be the star, but that just wasnt happening on a team where hes a freshmen and lacerrius dunn is a shot happy senior. On top of which his coach played him at center all year long. Dudes got the skill and potential to be a SF in the NBA able to beet you off the dribble and hit the shot, and even if he cant put all his tools together by draft time hes still a very solid PF and project in terms of becoming a SF. He does need to work on his control a little and touch up his jump shot but every college player needs some polishing. He has the potential to be very Durantula like though. Out of everyone in the class hes someone who you can get a hell of alot more on the court than what you see in game tape. As long as he takes the driver seat this year and tells Quincy Miller to sit in the back seat while Quincy Acy rides shotgun hel put up some tremendous numbers this years able to get more shots and hopefully not playing center where hes restricted to the paint and slightly roaming. 

 Barnes looks like the clear best player in the 2012 draft as much as I hate all tar heel players, but Im big on Perry Jones. I think he has the most potential in 2012 draft and could end up being the best of the class. Hes a freak if you wach him hes got the play of a guard but stands 6"11. He needs to be more ascertive and take control and be the star, but that just wasnt happening on a team where hes a freshmen and lacerrius dunn is a shot happy senior. On top of which his coach played him at center all year long. Dudes got the skill and potential to be a SF in the NBA able to beet you off the dribble and hit the shot, and even if he cant put all his tools together by draft time hes still a very solid PF and project in terms of becoming a SF. He does need to work on his control a little and touch up his jump shot but every college player needs some polishing. He has the potential to be very Durantula like though. Out of everyone in the class hes someone who you can get a hell of alot more on the court than what you see in game tape. As long as he takes the driver seat this year and tells Quincy Miller to sit in the back seat while Quincy Acy rides shotgun hel put up some tremendous numbers this years able to get more shots and hopefully not playing center where hes restricted to the paint and slightly roaming. 

Gotta go with what andxxx, said. The only true franchise players are Lebron, Wade, Kobe(not quite at that level anymore, but we’ll include him anyways), Durant, and DRose. Dirk and Duncan(in his prime) also qualify. Other than that, not much else. Guys like Bosh, Amare, and Melo are a notch lower.

Gotta go with what andxxx, said. The only true franchise players are Lebron, Wade, Kobe(not quite at that level anymore, but we’ll include him anyways), Durant, and DRose. Dirk and Duncan(in his prime) also qualify. Other than that, not much else. Guys like Bosh, Amare, and Melo are a notch lower.

Yea people are wayyy to quick to label a player a franchise caliber player.  Even guys like Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, Kevin Love…etc. , I’m hard pressed to label any of those as "Franchise Players" yet. 

Yea people are wayyy to quick to label a player a franchise caliber player.  Even guys like Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, Kevin Love…etc. , I’m hard pressed to label any of those as "Franchise Players" yet. 

Who is one? I mean, it is all according to definition. If Davis is not one, than who is in this draft? Are you going to build a team around Harrison Barnes and Quincy Miller? Because, I am not sure they are technically "Real" Franchise players either. The thing is, it is all about ones definition. I think he is plenty competitive, and his motor is top shelf. The guy has instincts, and I am guessing that you probably are looking more at his appearance than him as a player.

You actually have too appreciate the loyalty he had too his team in HS, he decided too stay with them when he really could have gone too a much bigger prep school. Most top HS guys have their choice of High School to go too, which is the reason they tend to go to STACKED HS programs. Davis did not do that, and he paid the price in the win column. But, I think he is a special player, and I do not know if there is a person who would be better too build a team around in this draft. I could see him being a top shelf PF, as Chris Bosh more than likely still is even with all of the flack he gets.

At the end of the day, it is about being around a strong team. I would say that once you get outside of the top 10 players in the league, calling anyone a "Franchise Player", is dicey. Having the right role players around you and a solid team can make anyone better. Could Anthony Davis be the best player on a good team eventually? I think he has a fantastic chance of doing so. Hence, the reason he is seen as one of the premier prospects in this draft. As I asked before, where would you rank him, not in his HS class, but as a draft prospect? You can say, "We will see", or "I do not think he will be a franchise player", but I warn you about writing the guy off completely. Bold prediction man, as I do not know of any player in this draft who will carry a franchise. Certainly no LeBron James, Dwyane Wade or Dirk Nowitzki, and I have a feeling that Andre Drummond will never be Dwight Howard (if he even enters the draft). Indeed, are you going to get better than Chris Bosh in this draft? Because I would say there is no certainty you will.

Who is one? I mean, it is all according to definition. If Davis is not one, than who is in this draft? Are you going to build a team around Harrison Barnes and Quincy Miller? Because, I am not sure they are technically "Real" Franchise players either. The thing is, it is all about ones definition. I think he is plenty competitive, and his motor is top shelf. The guy has instincts, and I am guessing that you probably are looking more at his appearance than him as a player.

You actually have too appreciate the loyalty he had too his team in HS, he decided too stay with them when he really could have gone too a much bigger prep school. Most top HS guys have their choice of High School to go too, which is the reason they tend to go to STACKED HS programs. Davis did not do that, and he paid the price in the win column. But, I think he is a special player, and I do not know if there is a person who would be better too build a team around in this draft. I could see him being a top shelf PF, as Chris Bosh more than likely still is even with all of the flack he gets.

At the end of the day, it is about being around a strong team. I would say that once you get outside of the top 10 players in the league, calling anyone a "Franchise Player", is dicey. Having the right role players around you and a solid team can make anyone better. Could Anthony Davis be the best player on a good team eventually? I think he has a fantastic chance of doing so. Hence, the reason he is seen as one of the premier prospects in this draft. As I asked before, where would you rank him, not in his HS class, but as a draft prospect? You can say, "We will see", or "I do not think he will be a franchise player", but I warn you about writing the guy off completely. Bold prediction man, as I do not know of any player in this draft who will carry a franchise. Certainly no LeBron James, Dwyane Wade or Dirk Nowitzki, and I have a feeling that Andre Drummond will never be Dwight Howard (if he even enters the draft). Indeed, are you going to get better than Chris Bosh in this draft? Because I would say there is no certainty you will.

"Who is one? I mean, it is all according to definition. If Davis is not one, than who is in this draft? Are you going to build a team around Harrison Barnes and Quincy Miller? Because, I am not sure they are technically "Real" Franchise players either. The thing is, it is all about ones definition. I think he is plenty competitive, and his motor is top shelf. The guy has instincts, and I am guessing that you probably are looking more at his appearance than him as a player."

I think Harrison Barnes has a better chance at being a franchise player than Anthony Davis. I do believe that Barnes as he is right now can develop into a franchise player if he continues to work on his handle. Quincy Miller has to answer questions about his ACL injury, so I’ll wait and see with him. I’m not annointing any of these guys true franchise players until I watch them play in college and get a feel for their talent. I don’t see Davis as a franchise player though, I’ve seen him play a bunch but I don’t get the feel that his competitive streak is that of a franchise player. I think his competitiveness is fair, but it would have to be higher to be a franchise player. He’s far too rough around the edges and most his intrigue come from his raw tools and size, but he’s not franchise player-type talent from what I’ve seen. I’ll reserve judgement on him as that kind of player when I see how he fares in the SEC conference slate. Same for Miller in the Big 12. I’ve seen Barnes grow in the ACC, I’m not annointing an incoming freshman a franchise-caliber talent without him playing. Especially one as raw as Davis.

"Who is one? I mean, it is all according to definition. If Davis is not one, than who is in this draft? Are you going to build a team around Harrison Barnes and Quincy Miller? Because, I am not sure they are technically "Real" Franchise players either. The thing is, it is all about ones definition. I think he is plenty competitive, and his motor is top shelf. The guy has instincts, and I am guessing that you probably are looking more at his appearance than him as a player."

I think Harrison Barnes has a better chance at being a franchise player than Anthony Davis. I do believe that Barnes as he is right now can develop into a franchise player if he continues to work on his handle. Quincy Miller has to answer questions about his ACL injury, so I’ll wait and see with him. I’m not annointing any of these guys true franchise players until I watch them play in college and get a feel for their talent. I don’t see Davis as a franchise player though, I’ve seen him play a bunch but I don’t get the feel that his competitive streak is that of a franchise player. I think his competitiveness is fair, but it would have to be higher to be a franchise player. He’s far too rough around the edges and most his intrigue come from his raw tools and size, but he’s not franchise player-type talent from what I’ve seen. I’ll reserve judgement on him as that kind of player when I see how he fares in the SEC conference slate. Same for Miller in the Big 12. I’ve seen Barnes grow in the ACC, I’m not annointing an incoming freshman a franchise-caliber talent without him playing. Especially one as raw as Davis.

You were easily anointing him "Not a franchise player…..", but I see where you are coming from. I tried to find his HS teams record, but I could not. Still, I think they ended up at least with a winning record, though their talent level besides Davis was incredibly low. Definitely not playing on a team like St. Patrick’s that Mike Gilchrist played on, though he easily could have and maybe that would have changed some peoples perspectives.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/high-school/post/_/id/927/davis-hs-career-ends-with-loss-to-king

I agree that I would not anoint him as a franchise player, I would not do that too anyone in this draft as of yet, they have a lot of questions too answer. But, if I had too choose one (besides Andre Drummond), who I see as being the most likely too be one, it would be Davis. Harrison Barnes got a lot of cr@p last year and had a slow start, and people were questioning his will and "killer instinct". In the end, Harrison just got better and showed why people had him ranked as highly as he was in the first place. I would say give the kid a chance Jorrye, before writing him off completely as possibly being one. I am just a little surprised you singled out Davis when he listed, like, 6 guys, lol. All I am saying is, get used to the brow, cause he is going to be a pretty big deal.

You were easily anointing him "Not a franchise player…..", but I see where you are coming from. I tried to find his HS teams record, but I could not. Still, I think they ended up at least with a winning record, though their talent level besides Davis was incredibly low. Definitely not playing on a team like St. Patrick’s that Mike Gilchrist played on, though he easily could have and maybe that would have changed some peoples perspectives.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/high-school/post/_/id/927/davis-hs-career-ends-with-loss-to-king

I agree that I would not anoint him as a franchise player, I would not do that too anyone in this draft as of yet, they have a lot of questions too answer. But, if I had too choose one (besides Andre Drummond), who I see as being the most likely too be one, it would be Davis. Harrison Barnes got a lot of cr@p last year and had a slow start, and people were questioning his will and "killer instinct". In the end, Harrison just got better and showed why people had him ranked as highly as he was in the first place. I would say give the kid a chance Jorrye, before writing him off completely as possibly being one. I am just a little surprised you singled out Davis when he listed, like, 6 guys, lol. All I am saying is, get used to the brow, cause he is going to be a pretty big deal.

"You were easily anointing him "Not a franchise player…..", but I see where you are coming from. I tried to find his HS teams record, but I could not. Still, I think they ended up at least with a winning record, though their talent level besides Davis was incredibly low."

I mean……you have to do one or the other lol. All I know is Davis is pretty unpolished, his HS team was pretty bad, and there aren’t a high number of franchise players who were both raw and incapable of winning games as a top 2 or 3 recruit against HS level competition. I can imagine that players in the NBA that are franchise players didn’t struggle as badly as he did to win games against HS players.

"You were easily anointing him "Not a franchise player…..", but I see where you are coming from. I tried to find his HS teams record, but I could not. Still, I think they ended up at least with a winning record, though their talent level besides Davis was incredibly low."

I mean……you have to do one or the other lol. All I know is Davis is pretty unpolished, his HS team was pretty bad, and there aren’t a high number of franchise players who were both raw and incapable of winning games as a top 2 or 3 recruit against HS level competition. I can imagine that players in the NBA that are franchise players didn’t struggle as badly as he did to win games against HS players.

 Here is Anthony Davis High School basketball team season record…http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/zDuA_X9z4kWBuep-MTU2Ew/basketball-winter-10-11/profile-anthony-davis.htm…finshed 10-11 and the team was ranked 379 in the state of Illinois and 8699 in the nation…obviously a shitty team but that shouldn’t take away from the fact that Anthony Davis can ball.  I have no clue if he’s going to be a franchise player or not…I just want to see how he hadles college competition first.

 Here is Anthony Davis High School basketball team season record…http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/zDuA_X9z4kWBuep-MTU2Ew/basketball-winter-10-11/profile-anthony-davis.htm…finshed 10-11 and the team was ranked 379 in the state of Illinois and 8699 in the nation…obviously a shitty team but that shouldn’t take away from the fact that Anthony Davis can ball.  I have no clue if he’s going to be a franchise player or not…I just want to see how he hadles college competition first.

 I read it wrong…the 10-11 was the season…LOL…wow im dumb…LOL…it seems his team actually finished 4-11….thats way worse…sorry azz squad.

 I read it wrong…the 10-11 was the season…LOL…wow im dumb…LOL…it seems his team actually finished 4-11….thats way worse…sorry azz squad.

I saw that paradigmn, but at the same time, MaxPreps obviously does not have all of the information there. Yes, they were a bad team, but there is no way they only played 15 games all season. Not to mention, Anthony said they had a winning record in league play:

http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/hoopsummit/nike_hoop_summit_player_profil_2011_02_10.html

Plus, if you did indeed read the other article I posted, it did say that they came incredibly close to beating King with Anthony’s play single handedly making a difference. King, for those of you who do not remember, is a traditional Illinois state power, they were the team with two 7-footers (Rashard Griffiths and Thomas Hamilton, whos son Tommie now plays at Whitney Young) in the movie Hoop Dreams. Plus, if I am not mistaken, Perry Jones was on a fairly mediocre HS team. His Duncanville team finished 21-13 his senior year:

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/ZjaWJ5I_HUaNwBbPbrQ4bQ/basketball-winter-09-10/profile-perry-jones.htm

Now, if you go too Duncanville’s roster, you see a team. If you go too Perspectives roster, you see Anthony Davis. Literally. They do not list his teammates. All I am saying is, the guy did not play on a typical HS team that most top recruits usually do. LeBron James played on a HS team where other guys going D1, most of these other guys seem too. I may be wrong, but I am thinking that Anthony Davis played on a team where he was maybe the only guy with that talent, and before his growth spurt he was heading to Cleveland State. Here is one last article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/news/story?id=5164031

Jorrye, believe me, I am all for taking a strong stance one way or the other, which you did. But, I felt that singling out Davis kind of meant that he was the ONE guy who you felt would not be a franchise player on said list. I clearly think he has more potential to do so than at least a few of the players listed. If anything, I think Mike Gilchrist, who is a tremendous prospect due to his energy and ability on defense, is more of a complimentary player than one you build a franchise around. On most teams he has played on, I believe Mike has not exactly been the main offensive focus, and has a very strange hitch in his jump shot, plus a shaky mid range game. If I had too single out the top 3 guys in the draft, at this point I would say Davis, Barnes and Quincy Miller. Than, the next tier would be Jared Sullinger, Michael Gilchrist, Perry Jones, Austin Rivers, Bradley Beal and James McAdoo, all of whom have considerable potential. "Franchise Player" though, is a very loose definition. Is it marked by winning, fan support or individual accolades? Clearly, as much as Chris Bosh was a questionable "Franhise Player", he put up big numbers and lead some pretty mediocre teams too moderate success. So, you can say that Davis does not fit the bill, but I guess what I am asking is how Anthony Davis stuck out, and all of the other guys listed got a free pass?

I saw that paradigmn, but at the same time, MaxPreps obviously does not have all of the information there. Yes, they were a bad team, but there is no way they only played 15 games all season. Not to mention, Anthony said they had a winning record in league play:

http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/hoopsummit/nike_hoop_summit_player_profil_2011_02_10.html

Plus, if you did indeed read the other article I posted, it did say that they came incredibly close to beating King with Anthony’s play single handedly making a difference. King, for those of you who do not remember, is a traditional Illinois state power, they were the team with two 7-footers (Rashard Griffiths and Thomas Hamilton, whos son Tommie now plays at Whitney Young) in the movie Hoop Dreams. Plus, if I am not mistaken, Perry Jones was on a fairly mediocre HS team. His Duncanville team finished 21-13 his senior year:

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/ZjaWJ5I_HUaNwBbPbrQ4bQ/basketball-winter-09-10/profile-perry-jones.htm

Now, if you go too Duncanville’s roster, you see a team. If you go too Perspectives roster, you see Anthony Davis. Literally. They do not list his teammates. All I am saying is, the guy did not play on a typical HS team that most top recruits usually do. LeBron James played on a HS team where other guys going D1, most of these other guys seem too. I may be wrong, but I am thinking that Anthony Davis played on a team where he was maybe the only guy with that talent, and before his growth spurt he was heading to Cleveland State. Here is one last article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/news/story?id=5164031

Jorrye, believe me, I am all for taking a strong stance one way or the other, which you did. But, I felt that singling out Davis kind of meant that he was the ONE guy who you felt would not be a franchise player on said list. I clearly think he has more potential to do so than at least a few of the players listed. If anything, I think Mike Gilchrist, who is a tremendous prospect due to his energy and ability on defense, is more of a complimentary player than one you build a franchise around. On most teams he has played on, I believe Mike has not exactly been the main offensive focus, and has a very strange hitch in his jump shot, plus a shaky mid range game. If I had too single out the top 3 guys in the draft, at this point I would say Davis, Barnes and Quincy Miller. Than, the next tier would be Jared Sullinger, Michael Gilchrist, Perry Jones, Austin Rivers, Bradley Beal and James McAdoo, all of whom have considerable potential. "Franchise Player" though, is a very loose definition. Is it marked by winning, fan support or individual accolades? Clearly, as much as Chris Bosh was a questionable "Franhise Player", he put up big numbers and lead some pretty mediocre teams too moderate success. So, you can say that Davis does not fit the bill, but I guess what I am asking is how Anthony Davis stuck out, and all of the other guys listed got a free pass?

Seen Davis play a couple of times and he does have killer instinct/aggressiveness to be a star. He does lack in the skill department and needs to add weight. He’s one of the few players that goes all out on offense and defense. He has what many players lack and thats the drive to play hard all the time. If you add more skill to that then you will have a star. I can see him having a K.G career and like K.G not being a Franchise build you’re team around player but more of a second banana star

I’m Not as sold on Drummond for one reason, he lacks the consistent drive/aggressiveness to be a Franchise player and id go as far to say i doubt he becomes a superstar. He just doesn’t feel like he needs to bring it all the time or even most of the time. He is very very skilled but so are a couple of players who were that big but never reached the potential people thought they had. If he had Anthony’s motor and aggressiveness he would put up Wilt Chamberlain numbers in H.S and college and put up great numbers from day one in the NBA

Seen Davis play a couple of times and he does have killer instinct/aggressiveness to be a star. He does lack in the skill department and needs to add weight. He’s one of the few players that goes all out on offense and defense. He has what many players lack and thats the drive to play hard all the time. If you add more skill to that then you will have a star. I can see him having a K.G career and like K.G not being a Franchise build you’re team around player but more of a second banana star

I’m Not as sold on Drummond for one reason, he lacks the consistent drive/aggressiveness to be a Franchise player and id go as far to say i doubt he becomes a superstar. He just doesn’t feel like he needs to bring it all the time or even most of the time. He is very very skilled but so are a couple of players who were that big but never reached the potential people thought they had. If he had Anthony’s motor and aggressiveness he would put up Wilt Chamberlain numbers in H.S and college and put up great numbers from day one in the NBA