UCLA Struck Down by a Phog Phantom (in a striped shirt with a whistle)

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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:46am #23702

McDunkin
The Lede. It was billed as a probable blowout, but when you place two of the game’s regal programs on the same floor with two of the best coaches in the business standing opposite one another, we all knew better. Kansas and UCLA represent about a million wins, a couple hundred conference titles and several dozen national championships (Helms titles included!) — well, at least it feels that way. The point is that no matter the present rankings, so long as Bill Self and Ben Howland are patrolling the sidelines at these two schools, they’ll always be competitive. Tonight’s game personified that word, competitive. Too bad it got ruined by an egregious whistle made by an official who needs to remember to let the kids decide the game.

Your Watercooler Moment. Foul or not a foul? Should a referee make the same call with 19:01 on the clock as he does with 00:01 on the clock? These questions were the biggest story in the Big 12/Pac-10 Hardwood Series game between Kansas and UCLA this evening. After 39 minutes and 59 seconds of back-and-forth basketball between two of the sport’s bluest of bloods, the game balanced on a loose ball situation where a UCLA player bumped a Kansas player as both pursued the rock. Kansas guard Mario Little arrived at the ball a split-second prior to UCLA’s Malcolm Lee, and the referee on the near-side thought the ensuing bump with 0.7 seconds remaining on the clock was sufficient to justify blowing the whistle. From our view (and most of America’s, if Twitter is any indication), that’s a bit of contact that you don’t call at any point of the basketball game, but ESPECIALLY not in a tie game such as this one with under a second to play. Although ours appears to be the majority viewpoint, there are alternate ones: ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla, for instance, stated that he believed the bump was a foul at any point of the game, and it was in fact the correct call. Gary Parrish says that there’s something for everyone in that play — KU fans, UCLA fans, and the fence-sitters. UCLA head coach Ben Howland, however, only saw it one way, throwing down a water bottle in disgust before later saying that it was a poor way to end the game. Star of the night Tyler Honeycutt said afterward, “as refs, you’re supposed to just let that go.” If this were the NBA, both UCLA player and coach would be facing hefty fines from the league, but we think that the Pac-10 will cut them some slack here, because, well, they’re right. But don’t take our word for it, check it out for yourself.
http://rushthecourt.net/2010/12/03/atb-ucla-struck-down-by-a-phog-phantom-in-a-striped-shirt-with-a-whistle/#more-28410

What did you guys think about the call?
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:52am #451347

Ghost01
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no. the player was out of control and it was fluky. I would let them play OT. at the same time i dont blame them for calling it.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:52am #451357

Ghost01
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no. the player was out of control and it was fluky. I would let them play OT. at the same time i dont blame them for calling it.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:52am #451323

Ghost01
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no. the player was out of control and it was fluky. I would let them play OT. at the same time i dont blame them for calling it.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:54am #451350

stanford hoops
Good call
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:54am #451360

stanford hoops
Good call
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 7:54am #451326

stanford hoops
Good call
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:01am #451377

inukawaii8
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it is a foul, but many referees would’ve let that go in the final second.. but yeah.. tough loss..
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:01am #451401

inukawaii8
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it is a foul, but many referees would’ve let that go in the final second.. but yeah.. tough loss..
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:01am #451412

inukawaii8
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it is a foul, but many referees would’ve let that go in the final second.. but yeah.. tough loss..
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:08am #451385

stanford hoops
I’m glad they called it because then coachs would be telling guys to foul at the end of games but make it look like a accident
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:08am #451410

stanford hoops
I’m glad they called it because then coachs would be telling guys to foul at the end of games but make it look like a accident
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:08am #451421

stanford hoops
I’m glad they called it because then coachs would be telling guys to foul at the end of games but make it look like a accident
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:17am #451396

JNixon
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Refs generally swallow their whistles that late…I don’t like the call and it would have to be a super hard foul for it to be a truly justified foul call that late IMO, but it would’ve been a call at any other point in the game, so I can’t be too upset. It clearly was a foul, but 99% of the time that would’ve been excused.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:17am #451422

JNixon
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Refs generally swallow their whistles that late…I don’t like the call and it would have to be a super hard foul for it to be a truly justified foul call that late IMO, but it would’ve been a call at any other point in the game, so I can’t be too upset. It clearly was a foul, but 99% of the time that would’ve been excused.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 9:17am #451433

JNixon
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Refs generally swallow their whistles that late…I don’t like the call and it would have to be a super hard foul for it to be a truly justified foul call that late IMO, but it would’ve been a call at any other point in the game, so I can’t be too upset. It clearly was a foul, but 99% of the time that would’ve been excused.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 1:35pm #451645

llperez
i dont like it for obvious reasons(ucla fan). But i dont think it was clearly a foul either. Two guys pursuing a loose ball. Players bump into each other. You could make that call on every single possesion of the game and have both teams fouled out by half time. To make that in that situation is a bad decision by the refs. At least 2 kansas players said they didnt agree with it as well which should tell you something.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 1:35pm #451669

llperez
i dont like it for obvious reasons(ucla fan). But i dont think it was clearly a foul either. Two guys pursuing a loose ball. Players bump into each other. You could make that call on every single possesion of the game and have both teams fouled out by half time. To make that in that situation is a bad decision by the refs. At least 2 kansas players said they didnt agree with it as well which should tell you something.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 1:35pm #451684

llperez
i dont like it for obvious reasons(ucla fan). But i dont think it was clearly a foul either. Two guys pursuing a loose ball. Players bump into each other. You could make that call on every single possesion of the game and have both teams fouled out by half time. To make that in that situation is a bad decision by the refs. At least 2 kansas players said they didnt agree with it as well which should tell you something.
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 5:57pm #451959

midwestbbscout
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when will referees do the world a favor and recreate Jonestown?????
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 5:57pm #451990

midwestbbscout
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when will referees do the world a favor and recreate Jonestown?????
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Posted on: Fri, 12/03/2010 - 5:57pm #452005

midwestbbscout
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when will referees do the world a favor and recreate Jonestown?????
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