20 plus player that were drafted after Hayward that will be better than him in my opinion

so pretty much the point of this post is that you think hayward wont do aANYTHING in the nba?
its hard to bet on someone who looks like they are 15 to succeed at this level but if he even scores 12 ppg one year that will be better than alot of these guys.

bout 7 or 8 of them wont average 10 ppg

i think in the right situation most of them could probably play a good role and average around 10. not all of them are going to get that chance though. some of them are going to be third string at their position and then be out of the league after their contract ends. i mean seriously do 35 players from each draft actually have credible careers in the nba?

“Their last two good draft pics were Deron Williams and Kirilenko.”

What about Paul Millsap at 47th in 2006? What about CJ Miles at 34th in 2005? What about Mo Williams at 47th in 2003?

80% of those players arent going to average 10 pts a game for their careers….

it’s all just guessing at this point. None of us know who will do what long term based on some summer games, and some of those guys didnt even play summer games.

Other than John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and Evan Turner… I don’t think there are any bonafied for sure players in this draft.

Armon Johnson, Magnum Rolle, Tiny Gallon, Elliott Williams, Jarvis Varnado, and Willie Warren will all be worse pros than Gordon Hayward off of that list. Just watch.

Why isn’t Luke Babbitt on the list? I thought you liked Babbitt over Hayward.

Hayward looks like Woody From Toy Story

He will be good.

He loves the game, and he is going to get so much better

As a blazer fan i think Williams, Johnson, and Babbit will all have worse careers than Hayward.

Except MAYBE Johnson, hes shown very good defense, and good passing, and slashing i could maybe see him being better than Hayward, hes at least a solid backup point.

Willie Warren Tiny ”the next shaq” gallon are beasts

It takes a special type of guy to play in Utah. There’s no night life in Salt Lake the beer is week and they have extra per game taxes, so it’s just like Butler. I don’t think Heyward was a top 10 pick. But O’Connor and company saw something they liked. Personally I hate Utah and want them to suck, so I loved it.

At worst Hayward will be another Mike Dunleavy, solid start/roleplayer. Never will be an All-Star.

Cole Aldrich will end up like every other big white guy that gets drafted far too early…ostertag, pryzbilla, hawes, nick collison, robert swift anyone??? LOL

Not known for drafting well?

You know that Utah has only had two top 10 draft picks in the last 27 years, right?

Hayward will be a very solid player in the NBA. I see a solid 6th-8th man at worst.

i keep reading about how this player is small or undersized but do ya’ll even know the average size for a nba sf/pf..example derrick caracter is 6’9 but some say undersized but the average height for a nba pf is 6’9

you also cant judge how good a rookie is by his numbers without taking into account the team that they are on. hayward will be on a contending jazz team. willie warren will be battling with some good young players at his position. thats alot different then george. alot of these rookies wont even start. actually george and lance will have to battle for alot of min because granger and t.j ford will start from

there have been just as many big black guys who have been drafted to early

shelden williams
mike sweetney
desagana diop
marcus fizer
jerome moiso

I’d be surprised if more than five of those guys have better careers than Hayward.

Your right Stanford, but please let me know the last time a ‘WHITE’ big man went early in the draft? Most times they are busts…cherokee parks, todd fuller? LMAO, there’s not even an argument there…Most white guys drafted that high never pan out, at least some or most of the black guys are decent. I’m white, but I’m just stating the facts.

The Jazz have drafted three all-stars (Deron, AK, Mo) and tons of rotation players (Millsap, Maynor, Brewer, Matthews, more) between 1999 and 2009 with only one top ten pick in that period. How is that bad drafting?

collins wasnt a bust. neither was ostratag. neither were expected to be allstars and they werent they were expected to be starters/role players which they were.

You honestly think where not gonna slam you when you compare him to Dwight Howard?

Thats the gayest thing since Hybrids.

You could add Dominique Jones and Quincy Pondexter to the list. Probably Jeremy Lin too.

fuck you, your an idiot if you think hes a good player.

He plays like hes on ritalin.

“I said Utah is not known for drafting well. I did not say that were bad a drafting that would be Minny but Utah has rarely picked up late picks that were really good for the most part. They have had their moments but they have picked up some terrible guys and just average guys most of the time. Most teams are on the level. I am just saying they are not known for drafting well so it should not be a shock if Hayward picked 9th is a bus”

Name a team that managed to get more rotation players in the last ten years than the Jazz.

Fizer was a lottery pick, man… On a very weak draft class… Even though he is a bust, he did had a very solid season with the Bulls… The moment he left the team after getting drafted by the Bobcats through the expansion draft, that was were his career went downward spiral… Marcus Fizer over Shelden Williams anyday…

@cyclo

“You could add Dominique Jones and Quincy Pondexter to the list. Probably Jeremy Lin too.”

Those players have played better than that “elite” athlete Luke Babbitt in Las Vegas.

@sheltwon3

“I said he would be a role player at best and does not deserve to be a top ten pick.”

How many people have said that Hayward would be more than a very good role player or borderline starter? You act like people have been saying that Hayward will be an All-Star.

You keep changing your arguments lol. First you said, “Hayward will be a second round pick. He doesn’t have NBA game.” Then it was, “Hayward will be a late first round pick. Watch!” Then it was, “Hayward will go no higher than mid first round.” Now It’s, “He doesn’t deserve to be a top ten pick.” Your predictions about Hayward haven’t been right the entire draft process lol.

You keep changing your arguments. IF Hayward does play well and put up decent averages, you’ll still say something like, “Well… So and so drafted below him has been better, so Hayward still shouldn’t have gotten picked that high.”

You’re just being a hater…

Babbitt’s been playing injured in the summer league.

Nobody ever called Luke Babbitt an “elite” athlete, but he is an above average athlete, recorded the best vertical leap among all frontcourt prospects (37.5 inches), and will be a better NBA player than the less athletic/worse shooting 6-7 Gordon Hayward who’s excuse for shooting 29% from 3-point land was that “people were guarding him”. LOL.

Cyclo, I bet if I dared you to suck Luke Babbitt’s wood you’d do it for free..I seriously do believe it. As soon as he gets brought up you put up out of NOWHERE

… basketball talent, that is.

As reported, Babbitt has been playing on a sprained ankle, but he seems to be recovering…

Babbitt today vs. Chicago 7/18:

22 pts. 4 rebs. 3 asts. 4 stls. 1 blk. 6-8 fg. 8-8 ft. 2-3 3fg.

6’9″ SF version of Nowitski. Will he be that good? I don’t know, but he has the same inside/outside skills as Dirk with the same kind of body control and above average athleticism.

babbit’s the next Austin Croshere, LMAO…

@cyclo

Dirk Nowitzki? I don’t see it…

dipt1982, that is my comparison for Babbitt too!

LOL, how could he not turn into him? Haha

Jarvis Varnado?! …..he’s not even going to be playing in the L this upcoming season sheltwon

This is all just your opinion. Non of it is based on fact. How are the Jazz bad drafters? Mo Williams, (47th overall) Paul Milsap, (47th overall) CJ Miles 34 (overall) Andrie Kirilenko, (24 overall) Eric Maynor, (20th overall) Deshawn Stevenson (23 overall) Greg Ostertag (28th overall) Bryon Russell (45th overall), Karl Malone (13th overall), John Stockton (16th overall). Also how can you call Hayward a bust when he hasn’t even played a real NBA game yet? The Jazz took him at 9 because they felt he was the best player available. He had a productive summer league for the limited minutes he played. Its a good thing we didn’t draft a project big because now we picked up a beast in Al Jefferson.

Babbitt has much better offensive skills and athleticism than Croshere ever had. He doesn’t have the limitations Croshere had as an offensive player and athlete. Nor the limitations in either height, skill or athleticism that the other players mentioned have.

Babbitt’s offensive skills, including his handle, are more Dirk-like from the low-post to mid-range to beyond the three-point line. One scout compared him to David Lee, because of his back-to-the-basket post game, while others have noted his obvious pure shooting touch from mid-range and beyond the three-point line. His Dirk-like handle is self-evident.

If this doesn’t look like a 6’9″ Dirk, I don’t know what does. He even runs the floor like him.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdgs4g_draft-preview-luke-babbitt_sport

Not saying he’ll be as good as Dirk, just that the skills are there as he displayed today in the summer league vs. the Bulls 7/18.

That video is just more proof that he looks like Croshere, sorry…

Some people are too stupid to judge talent, so they just look at skin color or haircut.

Croshere didn’t have Babbitt’s athleticism, handle or offensive skills.

This video clearly shows a Dirk-like handle and offensive skills. Very clearly, unless you’re blind, that is.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdgs4g_draft-preview-luke-babbitt_sport

While this video shows more…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_PCqoB0aI

Ask any Trailblazer fan who watched the game against the Bulls today 7/18.

22 pts. 4 rebs. 3 asts. 4 stls. 1 blk. 6-8 fg. 8-8 ft. 2-3 3fg.

20 players from this draft who will have better NBA careers than Gordon Hayward?

I think the list is up to 30 now.

Summer league stardom seems to have you blinded, he’s due for an MVP type season I guess….that is if he’s Dirk-like, cause Dirk is an MVP type player…Croshere 2.0 in the hizzzouseee…

Babbitt was not a summer league star, nor is he being judged solely on those terms. Most of the summer league he was playing on a sprained ankle. His skills and athleticism were known before the summer league. His basketball skills are Dirk-like. Doesn’t mean he’ll be as good as Dirk, but he shares the same offensive skill-set with a nice wingspan and above average athleticism at 6’9″.

Croshere had no one-on-one skills. He couldn’t play SF. You couldn’t isolate him one-on-one. Poor handle. No ability to create off the dribble. No post game. No mid-range game. No mobility. No vertical leap. Not much of a scorer.

… while Babbitt excels in all of those areas.

Croshere was nowhere near the offensive player/athlete that Babbitt is coming out of college.

You have to be a f–king idiot to make the comparison. Truly.

I always liked Croshere. He was tall, a good athlete for his size, and could shoot. Never seemed to get much playing time, but usually put up numbers while he was in the game. I’m not sure why comparing Babbitt to Croshere is such an insult. He was in the league for 11 seasons.

And you would have to be a f-ing moron to not see his game is similar to Croshere, don’t get your panties in a bunch kid, but he’s NO DIRK!!! Face the facts, get your head out of your assss and open your eyes. He will have no more of an impact on the NBA than Croshere had. Go cry in your shirt now little boy…

Croshere played 12 seasons in the NBA and averaged double figure scoring in only 2 of them. His season high was 10.3 ppg. His career averages were 6.8 ppg. on 40.8% from the field. He was not an offensive player.

To compare an unathletic non-scorer to an athletic scorer just because they have the same skin color is stupid and ignores the enormous differences between the two players.

Sheltwon you’re wasting what little bit of life you might have posting nonsense in this ridiculous thread. Stop hating on this kid for no reason, you can’t even make reasonable arguments support your stupidity. I think you actually have a secret man-crush on Hayward, just put it in his butt already….surprised you aren’t still spelling it HAYWOOD, idiot.

we all know the real reason sheltwon hates on hayward….

Babbitt has some Croshere in him but Babbitt do everything better, Babbitt is a rich man Croshere!

“he should get enough minutes to outplay Hayward.”

Babbitt isn’t going to play a lot. He’s going to be in a similar situation as Hayward.

Roy and Batum are the starters on the wing. You have to think that Matthews will back up both the 2/3. The Blazers aren’t paying him the way they are just for him to play the small amount of minutes behind Roy.

I also can’t see Babbitt getting many minutes behind Aldridge at the four either. He can’t defend down there, plus you have to think that Camby will back up both Aldridge and Oden.

I just can’t see Babbitt getting consistent rotation minutes.

Isnt that what you said about Tyrese Rice?

Hey dips_hit,

Babbitt is not another Croshere.

That’s your stupid azz f-cking pea brain unable to accurately judge basketball talent.

Croshere’s career averages were 6.8 ppg. on 40.8% from the field. He did not have the offensive skills Babbitt has.

Stop being a moron and face the truth.

Babbitt is a much more athletic, much more skilled offensive player. He can post up, face up, pull up J, takes people off the dribble, and has deadly range from 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_PCqoB0aI

timmahforprez

And Robert Dozier. And AHMAD NIVINS. And Blake Griffin.

No he said Blake Griffin would be the next Marcus Fizer because hes 6”8.

But if he was 6”9 he wouldve been the next Amara Stoudemire.