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  • #69793
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    Andv1 Waiting
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    Barring a miracle of Ball balling out big time and helping LBJ dragging this team to the playoffs…

    If you were Magic and Rob P do you do the following:

    Tank for a high as possible pick and trade Lebron for as much as possible(preferable youth e.g Taytum,Brown and picks),after realizing he doesn’t really fit your direction/timeline and keep Luke Walton?

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    Do you trade all your youth away now and go all in on 1 free agent(Big name-Klay,K.D,Kawhi etc) and one traded player-A.D for example as a possible move…With Firing Luke Walton and bringing in your choice of coach.

     

     

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  • #1130467
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    Choppy
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    Option 2 sounds like an L.A. move. 

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  • #1130469
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    halfdecayed
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     No chance they trade Lebron lol. 

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  • #1130470
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    high floor
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    But to my surprise under the collective bargaining agreement a player can only have a no-trade clause if they’ve been in the league 8 years (which of course, he has) but also has to have spent at least 4 years with that current team.

    It’s fascinating to think about actually. Will it happen? Of course not. But hypothetically what if that .01% chance the Lakers decided to take the long-view, keep rebuilding, and actually traded him to add players to their young core? For example deal him to a team like Philadelphia for a package around Ben Simmons? That would be the ultimate pivot & a historical middle finger to a superstar like James 

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  • #1130472
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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    There is absolutely no chance they trade lebron unless he requests to be traded. Walton is likely to be gone no matter which direction they take unless a miracle somehow happens between now and the end of the season.

    It’s no secret that the dream scenario for this team involves them signing a max level free agent this summer (kawhi, Durant, kyrie, klay) and than trading for AD to create a superteam. The path to be able to get it done is very narrow to say the least. If none of the players they are really targeting decides to sign, than would they throw big money at guys like kemba, cousins, butler, etc. That could make them slightly better in the short term but also impact their ability to sign AD in 2020 if he is really intent on coming to the Lakers (which who really knows at this point). They are at a weird place where the roster isn’t close to good enough to win now, and they can’t afford to waste years of lebrons fading prime. But if the ultimate goal is to build a championship caliber team they have to still be patient and not just throw out money to players that won’t get them there. 

    This is really a situation that’s kind of unparalleled in nba history. A player like lebron at his advanced age going to a team with so many unproven players that is so far from competing, in a media environment like LA. How patient lebron will be willing to be will probably determine how aggressive the lakers ultimately are this summer.

     

      

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  • #1130473
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    Mopgrass
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    Fans would be SO unhappy if they traded LeBron. However, I don’t think they’ll land a top guy. So, what’s the point of moving forward with LeBron? I think there’s a 100% chance the front office will gamble and try to get that top guy, but will only be able to pull off a 2nd tier guy. 

    Ingram could well be an all-star next year. He’s the guy they need to keep. He’s meshed very well with LeBron as of late. I don’t think Kuzma will ever be an all-star (see defense) and his trade value isn’t that high. He is a siv. But he also fits well with LeBron.

     I think Ball may become an all-star in 2 years. They don’t win he isn’t there. He is the worst fit with LeBron. He needs the ball in his hands. He could be an all-star next year if he was on the Suns. Still, I think his trade value is down after the New Orleans debacle. If you were to trade him, give him the rock and let him run the team the second he returns. Bring his value back up. 

    LeBron will not, will not, will not be traded. However, if they can get a future franchise player, I would personally do it and take the hit in the media and with fans in the short term and come out on top in the long term. 

     

     

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    • #1130475
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      HobbyOG
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       Not sure if Laker fans would be unhappy…All he’s done is cry, do Hollywood stuff and play no defense. I would consider trading him. No big name stars want to come play in LA with him. And I’m a fan of Bron. 

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  • #1130476
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    Hitster
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     LBJ had a no trade clause in Cleveland – I’m not sure how that worked but he couldn’t have one when he moved to the Lakers as an FA. There is no way Lakers trade him unless it was towards the end of his deal when he was say 36 or 37. He’d make the team too much money with all the merch he shifts for one thing.

    As regards FAs a lot of guys have egos and want to be the top dog which with LBJ in situ, it would be almost impossible to do. Plus LBJ turns 35 this year so his title window won’t be as big as younger top guys. I know he is LBJ but the waear and tear of 15 plus NBA seasons will slow him down eventually.

    As regards FA – Kawhi can make more money with the Raptors and staying East possibly increases his title chances. KD could be going for a 4 timer with GSW. Kyrie had issues with LBJ before. Kemba is a possibility but he needs the ball.Klay or DMC could possibly jump – maybe the later. Jimmy Butler has had issues and can make more money in Philly so would either side be interested.

     

     

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  • #1130477
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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    Lebron is just so powerful and has so much influence over the nba that it would be virtually impossible to trade him unless he requested to be traded. The backlash from trading him against his wishes would be enormous, and not even just necessarily from the fans. Players would see it as the ultimate sign of disrespect to one of the game’s legends. Good luck convincing any big name free agent to sign any time in the near future. There is just no conceivable way that trading him would ultimately work out good for the franchise. 

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  • #1130480
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    Memphis Madness
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     Trade LeBron.

    I can see the Knicks going after a super team with Durant/Kyrie/Lotto Pick.

    Don’t think the Knicks trade Mitchell Robinson but everyone else is probably on the table.

    Dennis Smith, Jr., DeAndre Jordan, Kevin Knox, and Allonzo Trier would be a great return for LeBron.

    Not even sure he would be worth it for the Knicks.

    Although you gotta make a run with Kyrie/Durant/LeBron/Mitchell Robinson core, if they end up with a wing like RJ Barrett or Cam Reddish in the draft.  

    If I am the Lakers, I kinda just want to get rid of the guy…

    If the Lakers don’t get Anthony Davis AND at least one more superstar (preferably one or two of Durant/Kemba/Kyrie) then they REALLY need to trade LeBron and retool around their young core of Lonzo, Ingram, and Kuzma.

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  • #1130481
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    Andrew1984
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     Kawhi Leonard is saying the right things and performing at a high level, but I still think he really wants to be in L.A., it’s just a matter of which franchise. 

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    • #1130485
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      OhCanada-
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      Kawhi doesnt say anything. When asked why his team won what helped them win in postgame interviews he says "guys made their shots" in pregame interviews if they ask him what they need to do to win he says "guys need to make shots" happens in every interiew, literally gives the laziest anwsers.

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      • #1130494
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        Andrew1984
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         Yes, I should’ve clarified that "saying the right things" is NBA for "not being an obnoxious, whiny loudmouth."

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  • #1130482
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    cohenbc1
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     Ingram has shot well of late, but none of the young guys really took their game to the next level. Last night no one except Rondo played with any urgency or aggressiveness, including LeBron — maybe because he knows it’s pointless. And this is the same guy who dragged J.R. Smith, Tristan Thompson, George Hill and Jeff Green to the finals last year.
     

    Did anyone notice that when Kuzma rolled his ankle and went down, Pat Beverley was the only person checking on him for a full ten seconds or so, until any Lakers came over? That and the complete lack of urgency leads me to say they should go all in on option #2: trade every last asset, if necessary, to team LeBron with another all-NBA player. I’m not giving up on Kuz, Ingram, Ball & Hart having nice careers, but I’m also not confident any of them will be better next season. 

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  • #1130490
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    Hitster
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     Would trading LBJ against his wishes be any more disrespectful of a player having a no trade clause then asking to be traded. The Lakers traded Shaq who had won them 3 titles.

    If the Lakers were all in on AD and think he might come across in 2020, could they almost sign one year guys again and allow the younger players to develop. DeAndre Jordan and JJ Reddick were two names who sprang to mind, give them nice one year deals or even front loaded two year deals to create cap space for AD in 2020.

    LBJ taking a 4 year deal went all in with the Lakers but also protected his salary level so he couldn’t be pressured to take less to allow support to be brought in.

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  • #1130518
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    The Lakers built their team for this season with one eye on next summer. It was a bet on LeBron being able to compete with anyone, and there was a body of evidence that said he could. Just because this season has been worse than anyone expected (missing the playoffs was a maybe for some, but no one was saying a 30-35 win season), it doesn’t mean the plan for the summer of 2019 is wrong. 

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