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- Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 6:35am #20985
goldenshotsParticipantDo you think Wilt would be as dominant in today’s game than in the time he played? I really have my doubts,especially after watching a couple of his moves,and to be honest, it is not that impressive (shooting over people,dunking over people,etc easy shots)….Im not saying hell be a scrub or anything but i dont think hell get close to anywhere of his averages of 30-21,hell probably get something like 25-15 ish (for his career average). In the youtube video titled ‘would wilt be as dominant today’ ,he was answering the question and said hell average 70…..I mean cmon that is a ridiculous statement. The nba is bigger,faster,stronger now then it was in the 50/60s……
Anyone agree/disagree?
I would really like to get some other views on this….0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 6:48am #386123
TyroberParticipantHe would still be a great basketball player. There is absolutely no way he averages 20 rebounds. That wont ever happen again on any level. He wouldnt be near as dominant but all 30 teams would love to have him.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 6:48am #386148
TyroberParticipantHe would still be a great basketball player. There is absolutely no way he averages 20 rebounds. That wont ever happen again on any level. He wouldnt be near as dominant but all 30 teams would love to have him.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:01am #386130
Anton123ParticipantA bigger Dwight Howard with a better offense, I’d say he averages 25 points and 13 rebounds in todays NBA, there only 2-3 good centres today, so it’d be pretty easy for him
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:01am #386153
Anton123ParticipantA bigger Dwight Howard with a better offense, I’d say he averages 25 points and 13 rebounds in todays NBA, there only 2-3 good centres today, so it’d be pretty easy for him
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:15am #386135
JoeWolf1I could see him going for 60 or 70 as a career high, but no way would he score 100 in a game. I think he could still average 30 points and 14 or 15 rebounds per game for a good portion of his prime in todays game. You also have to figure he’d be more aggressive playing today, when he was coming up in the league very few players dunked or really took it hard to the hole. If he grew up with the tendancies of today’s game paired with his athletic ability, I think he’d be a more athletic Shaq by today’s standards.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:15am #386159
JoeWolf1I could see him going for 60 or 70 as a career high, but no way would he score 100 in a game. I think he could still average 30 points and 14 or 15 rebounds per game for a good portion of his prime in todays game. You also have to figure he’d be more aggressive playing today, when he was coming up in the league very few players dunked or really took it hard to the hole. If he grew up with the tendancies of today’s game paired with his athletic ability, I think he’d be a more athletic Shaq by today’s standards.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:22am #386143
HansotekParticipantIn projecting his numbers, I think Shaq and David Robinson both provide a fair basis for comparison. Outside of those two and Wilt, nobody has really had that same combination of size, strength, athleticism and skill. Not saying that they are the best three ever or anything… just pointing out the unique combination of attributes.
I think it would be reasonable to project him in the 25-27 point range and the 12-13 rebound range in the modern NBA.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:22am #386167
HansotekParticipantIn projecting his numbers, I think Shaq and David Robinson both provide a fair basis for comparison. Outside of those two and Wilt, nobody has really had that same combination of size, strength, athleticism and skill. Not saying that they are the best three ever or anything… just pointing out the unique combination of attributes.
I think it would be reasonable to project him in the 25-27 point range and the 12-13 rebound range in the modern NBA.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:36am #386147
round moundParticipantWould flat out dominate his position if he was playing in todays game. If he really focused on just rebounding the ball (like a Dennis Rodman for instance) he just might be able to average close to 20 boards a night. At any rate, he would have a number of 20+ rebounding games. Dwight Howard is probably the closest comparison to a guy like Wilt (as far as active players). Wilt was much more aggresive with his offensive game however, and probably wouldn’t be as willing a passer out of double and triple teams down low as Howard is. Howard is almost too unselfish at times. The thing that would hurt Wilt the most would be his awful free throw shooting, but still, Shaq was dominant in his prime (though he is also a terrible free throw shooter), and Chamberlain is much more agile and mobile (not unlike an Olajuwon).
Wilt would be the best center in the NBA today…absolutely no question about that. Howard would be a distant second.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:36am #386171
round moundParticipantWould flat out dominate his position if he was playing in todays game. If he really focused on just rebounding the ball (like a Dennis Rodman for instance) he just might be able to average close to 20 boards a night. At any rate, he would have a number of 20+ rebounding games. Dwight Howard is probably the closest comparison to a guy like Wilt (as far as active players). Wilt was much more aggresive with his offensive game however, and probably wouldn’t be as willing a passer out of double and triple teams down low as Howard is. Howard is almost too unselfish at times. The thing that would hurt Wilt the most would be his awful free throw shooting, but still, Shaq was dominant in his prime (though he is also a terrible free throw shooter), and Chamberlain is much more agile and mobile (not unlike an Olajuwon).
Wilt would be the best center in the NBA today…absolutely no question about that. Howard would be a distant second.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:44am #386158
MkadozaParticipantWilt was Wilt. He would, in his PRIME, make MVP runs and drop, 25pts, 12rebs, 5ast, 3 blocks, 1.5 steals. This guy was still 7’1 without shoes, a ridiculous wingspan, fluid, agile, skilled, simply the greatest low post offensive player of all time. He’d at least be the most dominant offensive center now. And if you think I’m being optimistic, remember Im cutting his career highs in half!!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:44am #386182
MkadozaParticipantWilt was Wilt. He would, in his PRIME, make MVP runs and drop, 25pts, 12rebs, 5ast, 3 blocks, 1.5 steals. This guy was still 7’1 without shoes, a ridiculous wingspan, fluid, agile, skilled, simply the greatest low post offensive player of all time. He’d at least be the most dominant offensive center now. And if you think I’m being optimistic, remember Im cutting his career highs in half!!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:46am #386160
MkadozaParticipantWilt is a way better passer, and more like Duncan, bigger and more explosive. He actually was a fairly good mid range shooter.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:46am #386184
MkadozaParticipantWilt is a way better passer, and more like Duncan, bigger and more explosive. He actually was a fairly good mid range shooter.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:57am #386174
Anton123ParticipantYeah, I guess the numbers I said would’ve been his career averages, with best season averages of
30 ppg
14 rpg
2 apg
2 spg
4 bpgAnd that would be sick!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 7:57am #386198
Anton123ParticipantYeah, I guess the numbers I said would’ve been his career averages, with best season averages of
30 ppg
14 rpg
2 apg
2 spg
4 bpgAnd that would be sick!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 8:06am #386176
mikeyvthedonParticipantIf you are saying Wilt would get 25/15, that would make him one of the best ever, lol. Shaq’s career averages are both under that, and to me Shaq might be the most dominant center to ever play the game. I certainly do not think the modern game is set up where Wilt could have had his ridiculous career averages, or his 1961-62 season, so no, he would not be AS dominant, but the guy would still kill it, very much so. He was a legit 7 footer (7-1 by most accounts) and he was built like a tank. I mean, a good comparison body wise would be Amare Stoudemire, except much stronger and at least 3 inches taller (The reason I do not say Dwight Howard is because I do not think Wilt’s shoulders were as wide as his). Than, add to the fact that he was way more advanced athletically than anyone he was playing against, and I think that would still be the case today. Shaq I think could use the combination of size/strength/speed/athleticism better than any center who has ever done it, but Wilt and Kareem are right their with him, and for career accomplishment I might even rank Bill Russell ahead of them. I once had a guy saying that Wilt would be nothing in comparison to a player like Amare in todays game, and I think that is just a flat out lie. Wilt Chamberlain would be scoring beaucoup buckets and be grabbing plenty of boards. It is hard to say whether Wilt could compete with Shaq, after all Shaq had approximately 50-70 pounds on Wilt through various points in his career (assuming Wilt was 275 as listed). Wilt’s inability to win as many rings would be the one thing Shaq would really have on him, besides of course playing in an era with larger competition at the center (though not necessarily better). Wilt was the tallest person in the league back than and I attribue his ridiculous rebounding statistics to him not only being bigger and better than everyone else, but a flat out better athlete as well. I also think shooting percentages during that time dipped, and the game was not even close to as physical as now, which lead to Wilt playing a ridiculous amount of minutes per game (the NBA record of 48.5 in 1961-62, and for his career he averaged 45.8!!!!). So, the game was certainly quite different, but even in his last year, when he took a back seat to his younger and quite talented teammates, he averaged 43 mpg, averaged 13.2 ppg on 7 shots per game, and pulled down 18 boards per contest. Oh, also shot 73% from the field (still an NBA single season record, ridiculous). He lost in a lot of NBA Finals, but he was always the one who seemingly was carrying his team. Even Russell would always say “You could not stop Wilt, but you could stop Wilt’s team mates.” I think Wilt would be quite dominant in todays game, he is too some extent basketballs version of Babe Ruth, someone who so dominant for his time it would hard to see him not still being one of the better players in todays game. If Wilt was in his prime, at this current point, it would be difficult to see him not either A) winning the scoring/rebounding title or B) Putting up significant numbers on a team close to competing for a championship with solid supporting players. Either way, he had that same kind of, take the team on his back dominance that Shaq had, he just had no real Kobe until it was too late. I also think over time, he kind of lost his love for playing the game and just gave way to being a celebrity. Their are the well known rumors of him enjoying the good life, and I think he partook in almost every part of that imaginable, which is probably a reason why his numbers declined. Nonetheless, I just find it hard to believe that Wilt Chamberlain would not be a top 5 player in the league had he been drafted this year. He is ahead of David Robinson strength wise, and probably very close athletically, and their were many a year where David was one of the best players in the league. The bottom line is, that while we will never know how good Wilt Chamberlain would be in the modern game, he was in an era where he had staggering individual numbers and that is what he will be known for.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 8:06am #386200
mikeyvthedonParticipantIf you are saying Wilt would get 25/15, that would make him one of the best ever, lol. Shaq’s career averages are both under that, and to me Shaq might be the most dominant center to ever play the game. I certainly do not think the modern game is set up where Wilt could have had his ridiculous career averages, or his 1961-62 season, so no, he would not be AS dominant, but the guy would still kill it, very much so. He was a legit 7 footer (7-1 by most accounts) and he was built like a tank. I mean, a good comparison body wise would be Amare Stoudemire, except much stronger and at least 3 inches taller (The reason I do not say Dwight Howard is because I do not think Wilt’s shoulders were as wide as his). Than, add to the fact that he was way more advanced athletically than anyone he was playing against, and I think that would still be the case today. Shaq I think could use the combination of size/strength/speed/athleticism better than any center who has ever done it, but Wilt and Kareem are right their with him, and for career accomplishment I might even rank Bill Russell ahead of them. I once had a guy saying that Wilt would be nothing in comparison to a player like Amare in todays game, and I think that is just a flat out lie. Wilt Chamberlain would be scoring beaucoup buckets and be grabbing plenty of boards. It is hard to say whether Wilt could compete with Shaq, after all Shaq had approximately 50-70 pounds on Wilt through various points in his career (assuming Wilt was 275 as listed). Wilt’s inability to win as many rings would be the one thing Shaq would really have on him, besides of course playing in an era with larger competition at the center (though not necessarily better). Wilt was the tallest person in the league back than and I attribue his ridiculous rebounding statistics to him not only being bigger and better than everyone else, but a flat out better athlete as well. I also think shooting percentages during that time dipped, and the game was not even close to as physical as now, which lead to Wilt playing a ridiculous amount of minutes per game (the NBA record of 48.5 in 1961-62, and for his career he averaged 45.8!!!!). So, the game was certainly quite different, but even in his last year, when he took a back seat to his younger and quite talented teammates, he averaged 43 mpg, averaged 13.2 ppg on 7 shots per game, and pulled down 18 boards per contest. Oh, also shot 73% from the field (still an NBA single season record, ridiculous). He lost in a lot of NBA Finals, but he was always the one who seemingly was carrying his team. Even Russell would always say “You could not stop Wilt, but you could stop Wilt’s team mates.” I think Wilt would be quite dominant in todays game, he is too some extent basketballs version of Babe Ruth, someone who so dominant for his time it would hard to see him not still being one of the better players in todays game. If Wilt was in his prime, at this current point, it would be difficult to see him not either A) winning the scoring/rebounding title or B) Putting up significant numbers on a team close to competing for a championship with solid supporting players. Either way, he had that same kind of, take the team on his back dominance that Shaq had, he just had no real Kobe until it was too late. I also think over time, he kind of lost his love for playing the game and just gave way to being a celebrity. Their are the well known rumors of him enjoying the good life, and I think he partook in almost every part of that imaginable, which is probably a reason why his numbers declined. Nonetheless, I just find it hard to believe that Wilt Chamberlain would not be a top 5 player in the league had he been drafted this year. He is ahead of David Robinson strength wise, and probably very close athletically, and their were many a year where David was one of the best players in the league. The bottom line is, that while we will never know how good Wilt Chamberlain would be in the modern game, he was in an era where he had staggering individual numbers and that is what he will be known for.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 6:08pm #386606
goldenshotsParticipantYa looks like everyone agrees to a similar point
-He would be dominant, but not like he was in his days
-Would easily be best center in game today, in a mold of Amare/Dwight with obviously a superior offensive gameThnx for ur opinions guys.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 6:08pm #386629
goldenshotsParticipantYa looks like everyone agrees to a similar point
-He would be dominant, but not like he was in his days
-Would easily be best center in game today, in a mold of Amare/Dwight with obviously a superior offensive gameThnx for ur opinions guys.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 6:08pm #386608
goldenshotsParticipantYa looks like everyone agrees to a similar point
-He would be dominant, but not like he was in his days
-Would easily be best center in game today, in a mold of Amare/Dwight with obviously a superior offensive gameThnx for ur opinions guys.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/26/2010 - 6:08pm #386631
goldenshotsParticipantYa looks like everyone agrees to a similar point
-He would be dominant, but not like he was in his days
-Would easily be best center in game today, in a mold of Amare/Dwight with obviously a superior offensive gameThnx for ur opinions guys.
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