[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I believe they have one of the most underrated free agent signings in the league. They didn’t make eye opening signings in the early free agency period, but they did make solid signings that did fill out the Wizards biggest needs. I know some maybe don’t like the Bradley Beal signing, but he’s not as bad as most throughout social media portray him to be. I believe he is now underrated, I will get to him later. I also think being in the Al Horford sweepstakes, at one point leading according to reports, helps the franchise a bit.

If you beleive Bradley Beal is overpaid or not, the Wizards had to pay him. Some other team was going to offer him the Max. Also, who would they replace Bradley Beal w/ all of the money that they will have? They couldn’t get anyone that is better long term than Bradley Beal and there aren’t many players in this year free agency that is worth what Bradley Beal is worth for the Wizards. If they let him walk they might as well trade John Wall because they would have lost their second best player. 

I know a lot of people might have questions about the Ian Mahinmi signing because they have Marcin Gortat and that they don’t really compliment each other. But, he can be him back up and he fills the void that Gortat is lacking and the Wizards didn’t have since they have Emeka Okafor, shot blocking and a rim protector. The Wizards got a top 5 big in free agency to come off the bench. They also got one of the best point guard overseas in Tomas Satoranskey who has been great and keep getting better. The Wizards lack ball handling and shooting, Satoranskey fills both voids. And then there goes Trey Burke, I always liked him in college, but he really struggled in Utah. But, I like the move. Some players need a new enviroment to better showcase his ability. He’s not good, but you can hope for him to improve. They just need a wing player that can shoot to fill out the roster.

I honestly believe they are a top 5 team in the eastern conference, that can be better over time. I know a lot of people will respond that "they missed the playoffs last year, how they top 5?". But, they whole team basically was hurt for a period of time, they had an incompentent head coach, and a horribe roster construction. I believe that John Wall and Bradley Beal will take another step in their development under Scott Brooks, Markieff Morris comes back to form to his great Suns days, and that they finally will have a bench that can actually play in the NBA. They didn’t land a big time free agent, but they added much needed depth to fill big needs. 

 

 

  

 

 

[r377Participant]

Yes, I guess they had to pay Beal but if the kid wasn’t so injury prone and actually played more it wouldn’t be so bad.

They got a mediocre team, solid, just not great. They need more depth, otherwise they will be looking at that 7-8th seed and first round knockout.

Their salary cap is pretty tight for the next three seasons, sorry I can’t really see them getting past the first round in any of the next three seasons….

Ian M for 16-17 million isn’t great – he is ok, just does the basics and overpaid for the basics…

How can they get better ? Porter can still improve but that’s about it – We are all starting to realise Oubre is not the great player quite a few kids on here predicted….

[r377Participant]

Yes, I guess they had to pay Beal but if the kid wasn’t so injury prone and actually played more it wouldn’t be so bad.

They got a mediocre team, solid, just not great. They need more depth, otherwise they will be looking at that 7-8th seed and first round knockout.

Their salary cap is pretty tight for the next three seasons, sorry I can’t really see them getting past the first round in any of the next three seasons….

Ian M for 16-17 million isn’t great – he is ok, just does the basics and overpaid for the basics…

How can they get better ? Porter can still improve but that’s about it – We are all starting to realise Oubre is not the great player quite a few kids on here predicted….

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

1.) People say that every year about teams being mediocre and knock out the first of the playoffs every year. No one knows. I bet you didn’t predict that the Wizards would make it out the first round the past 2 out of 3 years. 

2.) The cap is going way up again and they have moveable contracts. John Wall has a bargain deal and Marcin Gortat have a very moveable contract given how much these centers getting paid. Only 5 players make over 10 M. And I guess "r377" can actually predict what’s going to happen in the next three seasons.

3.) He’s way better than Timofey Mozgov, they got paid the same amount. He’s a better player than Biyombo, BB is getting paid more. He got what the market suggested he should make. Could start for 10-15 teams in the league, he’s coming off the bench.

4.) So, I should believe a 20 year old Kelly Oubre has already peaked. A 23 year old Bradley Beal have already peaked. And a 25 year old John Wall have already peaked. Everyone that knows basketball knows that Randy Wittman been terrible in player development, while Scott Brooks is one of the best. You would expect young players to improve. And to suggest Kelly Oubre is bad off of one year in the league. He have potential, don’t base everything off of a rookie year.

 

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

1.) People say that every year about teams being mediocre and knock out the first of the playoffs every year. No one knows. I bet you didn’t predict that the Wizards would make it out the first round the past 2 out of 3 years. 

2.) The cap is going way up again and they have moveable contracts. John Wall has a bargain deal and Marcin Gortat have a very moveable contract given how much these centers getting paid. Only 5 players make over 10 M. And I guess "r377" can actually predict what’s going to happen in the next three seasons.

3.) He’s way better than Timofey Mozgov, they got paid the same amount. He’s a better player than Biyombo, BB is getting paid more. He got what the market suggested he should make. Could start for 10-15 teams in the league, he’s coming off the bench.

4.) So, I should believe a 20 year old Kelly Oubre has already peaked. A 23 year old Bradley Beal have already peaked. And a 25 year old John Wall have already peaked. Everyone that knows basketball knows that Randy Wittman been terrible in player development, while Scott Brooks is one of the best. You would expect young players to improve. And to suggest Kelly Oubre is bad off of one year in the league. He have potential, don’t base everything off of a rookie year.

 

 

 

 

[r377Participant]

1 – I am not a hater, I do actually like the wizards (wall, porter) and second round was no surprise, but that was when the east was weaker. The east is much stronger now. Pacers, Celts, Pistons, Raps are all better now.

2 – what quality free agents have they signed in past few years ? Markieff was a headache in phoenix nobody wanted. What FA can they attract when they are already reaching the top of their cap ? FA aren’t exactly all lining up wanting to go to Washington

3 I don’t know how good Mahini is ( I can’t actually think of 10-15 teams which he could start for ). Gortat is getting older and past his prime

4 Ive never bought the Oubre hype even out of high school. He is just another over hyped high school kid which never lived up to expectations I can’t see how he can take the Wizards to the next level…. What did oubre ever do at Kansas, where he only averaged 9ppg. Being ranked a top 10 h.s player with a few nice dunks on his mixtape doesn’t make him a future star at the next level…

The east is pretty strong, I just can’t really see how they have improved compared to quite a few teams in the east, which is why I believe they will not get past the first round of the playoffs

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

1.) Never once called you a hater, just that you cannot predict what’s going to happen three years from now. You do not have a crystal ball or anything that can predict the future. So, stop w/ the "The Wizards not going to be good for the next 3 years" because you do not actually know how good they would be and how the roster will be constructed in the next 3 seasons. You couldn’t predict LeBron going to Miami 3 years prior of him arriving. You couldn’t predict Steph Curry would be a star and the Warriors being this great. Stop acting like you can predict the future.

2.) So, because they didn’t sign big time free agents in the past mean that they can’t in the future. Goodness, your logic is beyond baseless. Again, they are not reaching the top of their cap, I don’t even know how you even coming up with that. And the Raptors also wanted Keef Morris for a 1st, Suns gave him to the Wizards. He’s a very talented player, that have been very good in the Wizards lockerroom.

3.) So, you basing you logic on the Mahinmi deal because you don’t know anything about him. What kind of logc is that? 

4.) Again, GM’s must be smarter than you if he was a 15th pick. Just because you don’t like him does not mean he won’t be good. We cannot predict the future, so stop acting like you know exactly how Kelly Oubre career will play out.

 

 

 

[r377Participant]

Really kid, you want to start an argument ? You are one frustrated and angry little boy, but I guess if my parents gave me a girl’s name I might be angry and frustrated at the world, just like you…..

Virtually all posts on this forum are opinions, if you read my post “I believe” was more the words I used. I have been watching / scouting for 30 years so maybe my “opinions” are more likely to come true than yours or a lot of 15yo kids who post on here.

Manhami – I meant, I don’t know how good he is compared to Biyombo or Mozgov. You said he is better than 15 of the starting centres in the league. Since there are 30 teams in the league, you claim he must be better than half of all the starting centres in the league making Manhami a top 15 centre ?

You also think Oubre will be a star/game changer. He averaged 9ppg in college and 3ppg in the pros, you don’t have to be Nostradamus to predict that he will not be a 20ppg all-star in the next 2-3 seasons….

In your other thread you say josh Jackson is the next TMac and Furtz will go no1.

Do you actually know anything about basketball or are you just over confident since mummy has just upgraded you to big boy pants this week over your regular nappies ?

[r377Participant]

Really kid, you want to start an argument ? You are one frustrated and angry little boy, but I guess if my parents gave me a girl’s name I might be angry and frustrated at the world, just like you…..

Virtually all posts on this forum are opinions, if you read my post “I believe” was more the words I used. I have been watching / scouting for 30 years so maybe my “opinions” are more likely to come true than yours or a lot of 15yo kids who post on here.

Manhami – I meant, I don’t know how good he is compared to Biyombo or Mozgov. You said he is better than 15 of the starting centres in the league. Since there are 30 teams in the league, you claim he must be better than half of all the starting centres in the league making Manhami a top 15 centre ?

You also think Oubre will be a star/game changer. He averaged 9ppg in college and 3ppg in the pros, you don’t have to be Nostradamus to predict that he will not be a 20ppg all-star in the next 2-3 seasons….

In your other thread you say josh Jackson is the next TMac and Furtz will go no1.

Do you actually know anything about basketball or are you just over confident since mummy has just upgraded you to big boy pants this week over your regular nappies ?

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

1.) Never once called you a hater, just that you cannot predict what’s going to happen three years from now. You do not have a crystal ball or anything that can predict the future. So, stop w/ the "The Wizards not going to be good for the next 3 years" because you do not actually know how good they would be and how the roster will be constructed in the next 3 seasons. You couldn’t predict LeBron going to Miami 3 years prior of him arriving. You couldn’t predict Steph Curry would be a star and the Warriors being this great. Stop acting like you can predict the future.

2.) So, because they didn’t sign big time free agents in the past mean that they can’t in the future. Goodness, your logic is beyond baseless. Again, they are not reaching the top of their cap, I don’t even know how you even coming up with that. And the Raptors also wanted Keef Morris for a 1st, Suns gave him to the Wizards. He’s a very talented player, that have been very good in the Wizards lockerroom.

3.) So, you basing you logic on the Mahinmi deal because you don’t know anything about him. What kind of logc is that? 

4.) Again, GM’s must be smarter than you if he was a 15th pick. Just because you don’t like him does not mean he won’t be good. We cannot predict the future, so stop acting like you know exactly how Kelly Oubre career will play out.

 

 

 

[J-rueMykelParticipant]

1. Cleveland…Obvious
2, Toronto….Brought back everyone except Biyombo, and their young players (Valunciunas, Joseph, Wright, Powell, Ross, Nogueira, Caboclo) should all get better.
3. Boston…Elite coach, Young talent, and the addition of Horford.
4. Miami….Perhaps if Wade leaves, they aren’t in the this teir in the Eastern Conference, but if Bosh comes back healthy they probably are even without Wade, Dragic and Whiteside are better than Wall/whoever, and Spolestra is underrated.
5. Indiana….PG’s supporting cast keeps getting better.
6. Detroit…..Drummond is a superstar and Stan is a chessmaster, this team will continue to grow.

Not sure which two of these teams you think WAS is better than but feel free to enlighten me.

I think Washington is clearly in a lower tier with Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Milwaukee, New York, and Orlando as semi-competant teams fighting for seeds 7 and 8.

 

[J-rueMykelParticipant]

1. Cleveland…Obvious
2, Toronto….Brought back everyone except Biyombo, and their young players (Valunciunas, Joseph, Wright, Powell, Ross, Nogueira, Caboclo) should all get better.
3. Boston…Elite coach, Young talent, and the addition of Horford.
4. Miami….Perhaps if Wade leaves, they aren’t in the this teir in the Eastern Conference, but if Bosh comes back healthy they probably are even without Wade, Dragic and Whiteside are better than Wall/whoever, and Spolestra is underrated.
5. Indiana….PG’s supporting cast keeps getting better.
6. Detroit…..Drummond is a superstar and Stan is a chessmaster, this team will continue to grow.

Not sure which two of these teams you think WAS is better than but feel free to enlighten me.

I think Washington is clearly in a lower tier with Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Milwaukee, New York, and Orlando as semi-competant teams fighting for seeds 7 and 8.

 

[r377Participant]

1 – I am not a hater, I do actually like the wizards (wall, porter) and second round was no surprise, but that was when the east was weaker. The east is much stronger now. Pacers, Celts, Pistons, Raps are all better now.

2 – what quality free agents have they signed in past few years ? Markieff was a headache in phoenix nobody wanted. What FA can they attract when they are already reaching the top of their cap ? FA aren’t exactly all lining up wanting to go to Washington

3 I don’t know how good Mahini is ( I can’t actually think of 10-15 teams which he could start for ). Gortat is getting older and past his prime

4 Ive never bought the Oubre hype even out of high school. He is just another over hyped high school kid which never lived up to expectations I can’t see how he can take the Wizards to the next level…. What did oubre ever do at Kansas, where he only averaged 9ppg. Being ranked a top 10 h.s player with a few nice dunks on his mixtape doesn’t make him a future star at the next level…

The east is pretty strong, I just can’t really see how they have improved compared to quite a few teams in the east, which is why I believe they will not get past the first round of the playoffs

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Also, they signed Andrew Nicholson is a very good value get for the Wizards. He’s been underutilized in Orlando, like many players in that franchise, that have 3 point range and have really impressive footwork/post moves. They got younger, more athletic during this free agency period.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Also, they signed Andrew Nicholson is a very good value get for the Wizards. He’s been underutilized in Orlando, like many players in that franchise, that have 3 point range and have really impressive footwork/post moves. They got younger, more athletic during this free agency period.

[kobyzParticipant]

 I really didn’t like the Mahinmi signing, a player that does what the coach ask him but really a lackadaisical, going through the motions type player, similar to Ezily, and that not what wizards needs, they need another more firepower, looking to dominate type player… Last year for stretchers i think they played very high level basketball as a team like the second best team in the east but always come a big drop of, they were so inconsistence, and not only because injuries, i think they lacking a real third option on offense and that make them to get into lack of execution a lot of times…

[kobyzParticipant]

 I really didn’t like the Mahinmi signing, a player that does what the coach ask him but really a lackadaisical, going through the motions type player, similar to Ezily, and that not what wizards needs, they need another more firepower, looking to dominate type player… Last year for stretchers i think they played very high level basketball as a team like the second best team in the east but always come a big drop of, they were so inconsistence, and not only because injuries, i think they lacking a real third option on offense and that make them to get into lack of execution a lot of times…

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Wizards really need a defensive minded center that can protect the paint, run w/ John Wall, and finsh in the paint. The Wizards lack those things since they traded JaVale McGee. They got arguably the best big men on the market, since Dwight Howard and Hassan Whiteside was off the market. He fits what the Wizards lacked for years, rim protection. 

It’s fair to say they need  more firepower, looking to dominate type of player, but he will be the back up center, not a star player. 

 

 

[kobyzParticipant]

 He is not a difference maker on the defensive end also, he just doesn’t play with good intensity and tenacity, too lackadaisical, i think they should have save that overpay money and look elsewhere…

[kobyzParticipant]

 He is not a difference maker on the defensive end also, he just doesn’t play with good intensity and tenacity, too lackadaisical, i think they should have save that overpay money and look elsewhere…

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Wizards really need a defensive minded center that can protect the paint, run w/ John Wall, and finsh in the paint. The Wizards lack those things since they traded JaVale McGee. They got arguably the best big men on the market, since Dwight Howard and Hassan Whiteside was off the market. He fits what the Wizards lacked for years, rim protection. 

It’s fair to say they need  more firepower, looking to dominate type of player, but he will be the back up center, not a star player. 

 

 

[kobyzParticipant]

 I think they should make a trade, Gortat and Morris for Kevin love!

[kobyzParticipant]

 I think they should make a trade, Gortat and Morris for Kevin love!

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Teams that didn’t jump face first into the craziness look better than those who did. Let’s just be completely honest, other than Durant and Horford, none of the players changing teams through free agency are greatly altering the outlook of their old or new teams. I guess with Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon one can argue that Houston became super-D’Antoni-ey, and while they aren’t going to win the title they are going to be better than the 8-seed. Washington did what they had to do with Bradley Beal. Either they paid him, or they would see him leave to someone who would. Garrett Temple had a nice little niche last year, a tip your cap to him for getting a contract after emerging from the league’s fringe (and what a summer it is for those guys!), but he easily can be replaced for less than 3 years and $24 million. I think Satoransky for 3-year and $9 million looks much better by comparison. Ramon Sessions is a safer backup at the point spot than Trey Burke will cost half this year. Andrew Nicholson never seemed to mesh with Orlando, and they paid a speculative price for him, but from a size and skill perspective he seems like a natural backup to Markieff. The Ian Mahinmi contract is stupid. Just like the craziness with Mozgov, Biyombo, and Aldrich, it doesn’t have to be for three or four years. The cap explodes once. It will increase by a small amount next year, but then it will flatten out because the tv contract will normalize. Even off a terrible season, isn’t Hibbert for 1 year and $5 million a much better idea? You have to live with limited players on huge contracts in those years. Compared to many, Washington did ok. I think they will be better next year because it is highly unlikely they will be hit so heavily by injuries, but not because of the moves in free agency.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Teams that didn’t jump face first into the craziness look better than those who did. Let’s just be completely honest, other than Durant and Horford, none of the players changing teams through free agency are greatly altering the outlook of their old or new teams. I guess with Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon one can argue that Houston became super-D’Antoni-ey, and while they aren’t going to win the title they are going to be better than the 8-seed. Washington did what they had to do with Bradley Beal. Either they paid him, or they would see him leave to someone who would. Garrett Temple had a nice little niche last year, a tip your cap to him for getting a contract after emerging from the league’s fringe (and what a summer it is for those guys!), but he easily can be replaced for less than 3 years and $24 million. I think Satoransky for 3-year and $9 million looks much better by comparison. Ramon Sessions is a safer backup at the point spot than Trey Burke will cost half this year. Andrew Nicholson never seemed to mesh with Orlando, and they paid a speculative price for him, but from a size and skill perspective he seems like a natural backup to Markieff. The Ian Mahinmi contract is stupid. Just like the craziness with Mozgov, Biyombo, and Aldrich, it doesn’t have to be for three or four years. The cap explodes once. It will increase by a small amount next year, but then it will flatten out because the tv contract will normalize. Even off a terrible season, isn’t Hibbert for 1 year and $5 million a much better idea? You have to live with limited players on huge contracts in those years. Compared to many, Washington did ok. I think they will be better next year because it is highly unlikely they will be hit so heavily by injuries, but not because of the moves in free agency.

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Oubre Time!!! Kid needs more time on the court.

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Oubre Time!!! Kid needs more time on the court.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Wizards better hope for a lot of internal growth because at this point, they’ve probaby maxed out on their ability to add high-end talent via free agency. 

Not sure where they are exactly in terms of space, but I’d assume they are near the top, as they’ve got Wall, Beal, Gortat, Mahinmi and Porter will need an extension next summer. 

Think they can compete in the East sure, but I don’t see top-four team at this point. They’re better than a non-playoff team, though I’m not sure who they knock out as the team ahead of them have gotten better too. 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Wizards better hope for a lot of internal growth because at this point, they’ve probaby maxed out on their ability to add high-end talent via free agency. 

Not sure where they are exactly in terms of space, but I’d assume they are near the top, as they’ve got Wall, Beal, Gortat, Mahinmi and Porter will need an extension next summer. 

Think they can compete in the East sure, but I don’t see top-four team at this point. They’re better than a non-playoff team, though I’m not sure who they knock out as the team ahead of them have gotten better too. 

 

 

[gabriel_akvaParticipant]

 Did you guys hear something about Nenê?

[gabriel_akvaParticipant]

 Did you guys hear something about Nenê?

[r377Participant]

 Wizards 5-11 – not quite the top 5 team some had suggested…

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