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Posted on: Sat, 05/25/2013 - 11:28pm #49379

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we all know utah needs a young point guard badly and are looking for one in this draft. in editing my own personal mock, Trey Burke, CJ McCollum and Dennis Schroeder are all taken before the 14th pick. Michael Carter-Williams however is still available. at first, it was an easy fit. but the more i thought about, i just dont see the two parties as being a good fit.
utah currently has 2 natural play-makers in the wings with Gordon Hayward and Alec Burks. having a score first combo guard with great range is the best complement to those two in my opinion. having said, i dont think MCW really is a really great fit, despite being the best point guard prospect left on the board.
i wanted to know what others think of this situation and who utah might take with their pick if not Michael Carter-Williams. if Shane Larkin should be the top candidate despite the possibility of him being avaialble at 21.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 12:20am #783438

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How good will be Burks and Hayward be this season? MCW looks like he’ll be an good role playing PG. Kanter and Favors should have break out seasons so maybe Jazz can follow a Memphis model of success. I think it depends on how good Burks is defensive and how consistent Hayward will be. Plus their bench has to preform since the Jazz will probably sport the youngest line up in the NBA.
I think Larkin would be a better fit playing next to Burks. If Jazz had a Klay Thompson, I would like MCW for them…but even so, MCW isn’t a bad pick at 14…I notice a lot of people doubt him but he really had a convincing season for the ‘Cuse.
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 1:01am #783456
  
  he_gets_buckets
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  Convincing of what? That he still cant shoot? That he is incredibly turnover prone? He is a good passer and has some nice measurables but he isnt much more then that.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 2:17am #783464
    
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    Yeh his jump shot is awful and he is not overly quick at getting to the rim. I think he might struggle.
    I think Utah should try and sign and trade with either Al Jeff or Millsap to move up in the draft and grab Burke or maybe to get Bledsoe.
    There is little to no chance that MCW can lead this team to the playoffs in the tough west…
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    - Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:41am #783505
      
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      MCW is almost a poor mans Ricky Rubio. Both great passers, good bball IQ, not great shooters, defensively with their long arms they deflect quite a few passes and get a couple of steals…
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    - Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:41am #783573
      
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      MCW is almost a poor mans Ricky Rubio. Both great passers, good bball IQ, not great shooters, defensively with their long arms they deflect quite a few passes and get a couple of steals…
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  - Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 2:17am #783531
    
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    Yeh his jump shot is awful and he is not overly quick at getting to the rim. I think he might struggle.
    I think Utah should try and sign and trade with either Al Jeff or Millsap to move up in the draft and grab Burke or maybe to get Bledsoe.
    There is little to no chance that MCW can lead this team to the playoffs in the tough west…
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 1:01am #783523
  
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  Convincing of what? That he still cant shoot? That he is incredibly turnover prone? He is a good passer and has some nice measurables but he isnt much more then that.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 12:20am #783506

hylandpt
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How good will be Burks and Hayward be this season? MCW looks like he’ll be an good role playing PG. Kanter and Favors should have break out seasons so maybe Jazz can follow a Memphis model of success. I think it depends on how good Burks is defensive and how consistent Hayward will be. Plus their bench has to preform since the Jazz will probably sport the youngest line up in the NBA.
I think Larkin would be a better fit playing next to Burks. If Jazz had a Klay Thompson, I would like MCW for them…but even so, MCW isn’t a bad pick at 14…I notice a lot of people doubt him but he really had a convincing season for the ‘Cuse.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:12am #783486

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While I think the Jazz would be a good fit for MCW, I don’t think they should pick him at 14, which I think would be a reach for them. MCW will probably be drafted in the top 20, but I don’t think he should be.
MCW’s first step is probably the best of any PG in this draft, with the possible exception of Dennis Schroeder, and he can get into the lane very easily. He is really good in the drive-and-kick game and has outstanding court awareness. He has the best passing ability of any player in this year’s draft. But I think his weaknesses will prevent him from being an effective starter in the NBA.
He really lacks ball handling ability. At the college level, that was OK because he could blow by guys with his speed, but in the NBA players will force him to work harder to get in the lane. He also really struggles against ball pressure. He has a very high dribble, struggles to protect the ball, and is so thin and has such a high center of gravity that he can be knocked off balance easily. He also struggles to stop his momentum, which leads to him picking up his dribble in inopportune places on the court, leading to TOs. This could also lead to charges being called against him in the NBA.
In the NBA, teams will sense blood in the water when he handles the ball and will really pressure him. If MCW can’t improve his handle, he will never be an effective starting pg. His lack of scoring ability will also hinder him greatly, as it limits his ability to play off the ball, and will prevent him from fully punishing teams for playing overaggressive on defense. His scoring ability looks improvable, as his floater is unblock able, just not consistent yet, and his jump shot isn’t broken. But he doesn’t seem to have enough confidence in his game to fully reach his potential as a scorer, and his potential as a playmaker is limited by his poor handle, which may have a limited room for growth due to his thin build and high center of gravity. He doesn’t appear to have the natural coordination of most NBA pgs.
If the Jazz want to select him at 21 as a developmental prospect, that is probably fine with me, but he is too much of a reach at 14. Personally, I would take Shane Larkin and Ray McCallum over MCW.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:12am #783553

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While I think the Jazz would be a good fit for MCW, I don’t think they should pick him at 14, which I think would be a reach for them. MCW will probably be drafted in the top 20, but I don’t think he should be.
MCW’s first step is probably the best of any PG in this draft, with the possible exception of Dennis Schroeder, and he can get into the lane very easily. He is really good in the drive-and-kick game and has outstanding court awareness. He has the best passing ability of any player in this year’s draft. But I think his weaknesses will prevent him from being an effective starter in the NBA.
He really lacks ball handling ability. At the college level, that was OK because he could blow by guys with his speed, but in the NBA players will force him to work harder to get in the lane. He also really struggles against ball pressure. He has a very high dribble, struggles to protect the ball, and is so thin and has such a high center of gravity that he can be knocked off balance easily. He also struggles to stop his momentum, which leads to him picking up his dribble in inopportune places on the court, leading to TOs. This could also lead to charges being called against him in the NBA.
In the NBA, teams will sense blood in the water when he handles the ball and will really pressure him. If MCW can’t improve his handle, he will never be an effective starting pg. His lack of scoring ability will also hinder him greatly, as it limits his ability to play off the ball, and will prevent him from fully punishing teams for playing overaggressive on defense. His scoring ability looks improvable, as his floater is unblock able, just not consistent yet, and his jump shot isn’t broken. But he doesn’t seem to have enough confidence in his game to fully reach his potential as a scorer, and his potential as a playmaker is limited by his poor handle, which may have a limited room for growth due to his thin build and high center of gravity. He doesn’t appear to have the natural coordination of most NBA pgs.
If the Jazz want to select him at 21 as a developmental prospect, that is probably fine with me, but he is too much of a reach at 14. Personally, I would take Shane Larkin and Ray McCallum over MCW.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:22am #783492

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I’m pretty sure there are other options. There is a high chance Utah trades up for either C.J. McCollum or Dennis Schroder. However, there are other options you can consider. Lorenzo Brown, listed at 6’5″, is a great scoring point guard. He’s very underrated at this point. You could also go BPA with the first pick and “reach” for someone like Seth Curry with your 21st pick. Erick Green is very underrated and could also be considered.
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:45am #783513
  
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  You can’t honestly think that the Jazz would draft a player in the first round that by most professionals say would be a late second rounder or could even go undrafted.
  I would take BPA even if it is a big and hope that Larkin is still there at 21.
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:45am #783581
  
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  You can’t honestly think that the Jazz would draft a player in the first round that by most professionals say would be a late second rounder or could even go undrafted.
  I would take BPA even if it is a big and hope that Larkin is still there at 21.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:22am #783559

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I’m pretty sure there are other options. There is a high chance Utah trades up for either C.J. McCollum or Dennis Schroder. However, there are other options you can consider. Lorenzo Brown, listed at 6’5″, is a great scoring point guard. He’s very underrated at this point. You could also go BPA with the first pick and “reach” for someone like Seth Curry with your 21st pick. Erick Green is very underrated and could also be considered.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:41am #783511

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you never draft for need you always take BPA ask portland why. i still cant believe they did it twice but with the Oden pick i dont think anyone could have seen his injury problems. One name you havent mentioned is Myck Kabongo not at 14 of course but later in the draft. A good distributing pg who gets his team involved that is exactly the type of pg the jazz need. my hope is that Schroeder is still there at 14 we move up to get him.
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:43am #783515
  
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  he is basically Kendall Marshall 2.0?
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  - Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 4:26am #783527
    
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    Basically Kendall Marshall offensively but with far more athleticism and a quicker, better looking, but equally bad jumpshot. He’s far better defensively though. That was the huge thing working against him in last years draft, whereas that area is a big strength for MCW.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 4:26am #783595
    
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    Basically Kendall Marshall offensively but with far more athleticism and a quicker, better looking, but equally bad jumpshot. He’s far better defensively though. That was the huge thing working against him in last years draft, whereas that area is a big strength for MCW.
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:43am #783583
  
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  he is basically Kendall Marshall 2.0?
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 3:41am #783579

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you never draft for need you always take BPA ask portland why. i still cant believe they did it twice but with the Oden pick i dont think anyone could have seen his injury problems. One name you havent mentioned is Myck Kabongo not at 14 of course but later in the draft. A good distributing pg who gets his team involved that is exactly the type of pg the jazz need. my hope is that Schroeder is still there at 14 we move up to get him.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 4:12am #783524

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Phoenix are looking to rebuild completely and Utah are looking to contend now with a couple of added pieces. If Orlando don’t select Burke at 2 and he drops to Phoenix at 5. They could take him and trade Dragic to the Jazz. He is 27yo and if he stays with the Suns he prob won’t be into the playoffs till he is 30+.
The Jazz give up Burks or some other piece and their lotto pick for Dragic. Dragic is proven and ready to run a good team now, where as if they draft a rookie it will take him a few years to start performing well.
Burks hasn’t been great, but he could do well and get plenty of minutes in a new young back court with Trey Burke in Phoenix. Phoenix would also get Utah’s 14th pick.
WIN – WIN
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 4:45am #783536
  
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  Forgot to add they should sign Millsap or Al Jeff and do a sign and trade with the other one to OKC for their 12th pick or J Lamb.
  Utah can then look to sign either JR Smith, OJ Mayo or Gerald Henderson at SG
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- Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 4:45am #783603
  
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  Forgot to add they should sign Millsap or Al Jeff and do a sign and trade with the other one to OKC for their 12th pick or J Lamb.
  Utah can then look to sign either JR Smith, OJ Mayo or Gerald Henderson at SG
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 4:12am #783591

r377
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Phoenix are looking to rebuild completely and Utah are looking to contend now with a couple of added pieces. If Orlando don’t select Burke at 2 and he drops to Phoenix at 5. They could take him and trade Dragic to the Jazz. He is 27yo and if he stays with the Suns he prob won’t be into the playoffs till he is 30+.
The Jazz give up Burks or some other piece and their lotto pick for Dragic. Dragic is proven and ready to run a good team now, where as if they draft a rookie it will take him a few years to start performing well.
Burks hasn’t been great, but he could do well and get plenty of minutes in a new young back court with Trey Burke in Phoenix. Phoenix would also get Utah’s 14th pick.
WIN – WIN
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:17am #783632

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C.J. McCollum seems like a great fit for Utah, it’s just too bad they aren’t in position to get him as it stands. Schroeder might be gone by 14 as well. If luck had it their way, one of these guys would slip on draft night; it should be interesting.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:17am #783699

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C.J. McCollum seems like a great fit for Utah, it’s just too bad they aren’t in position to get him as it stands. Schroeder might be gone by 14 as well. If luck had it their way, one of these guys would slip on draft night; it should be interesting.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:26am #783634

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MCW is a taller Kendall Marshall essentially. Both guys really need that jumper.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:26am #783701

OhCanada-
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MCW is a taller Kendall Marshall essentially. Both guys really need that jumper.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:57am #783640

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MCW will be gone by Utahs pick
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:57am #783707

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MCW will be gone by Utahs pick
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:57am #783650

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Hi there. First of all, no way MCW slips to Utah. Secondly, playmaking and on-the-ball D will be great in the NBA. He’ll also EASILY get 12-15 points a game based on his athleticism. My two cents. Take care. Thanks.
Mark
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:57am #783717

Mark Pion
Hi there. First of all, no way MCW slips to Utah. Secondly, playmaking and on-the-ball D will be great in the NBA. He’ll also EASILY get 12-15 points a game based on his athleticism. My two cents. Take care. Thanks.
Mark
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 6:03pm #784148

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I don’t care what people say, I’d take Larkin over MCW any day.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 6:03pm #784215

Cavaliers420
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I don’t care what people say, I’d take Larkin over MCW any day.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:08pm #784180

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Don’t count out Nate Wolters at 21, this guy has a lot of what Utah wants in a PG. Much like Deron Williams he is big, crafty, has 3 point range, and is a gym rat. The Jazz *might” like Schroeder at 14, but if he is not Wolters as the favorite at 21.
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- Posted on: Mon, 05/27/2013 - 1:00am #784240
  
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  ive actually lhad wolters as my jazz pick at 21 for a while now. even though most people told me that its ridiculous that i pick nate while shane is still on the board, i just see wolters and the utah jazz as too good of a fit to pass up on, even if they take schroeder(project point) or MCW(not natural fit) with their 14th pick.
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- Posted on: Mon, 05/27/2013 - 1:00am #784306
  
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  ive actually lhad wolters as my jazz pick at 21 for a while now. even though most people told me that its ridiculous that i pick nate while shane is still on the board, i just see wolters and the utah jazz as too good of a fit to pass up on, even if they take schroeder(project point) or MCW(not natural fit) with their 14th pick.
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Posted on: Sun, 05/26/2013 - 7:08pm #784247

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Don’t count out Nate Wolters at 21, this guy has a lot of what Utah wants in a PG. Much like Deron Williams he is big, crafty, has 3 point range, and is a gym rat. The Jazz *might” like Schroeder at 14, but if he is not Wolters as the favorite at 21.
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