True Franchise Players Under 31

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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:19am #51629

TripleDoubleScout
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Ya know, I was thinking about how people debate constantly about overpaid players in basketball and football. I started wondering about the issue of the “max” contract in the NBA as far as how many players currently in their prime actually deserve a max contract. Then I came up with these pretty logical and definitive criteria for what I define as a Franchise Player. Here goes:
1) Must be the leader or 2nd option on a consistently contending team.
2) Must be “box office”, meaning that as an individual, they are (largely) responsible for the butts in the stands ON THE ROAD.
Yep only 2 criteria as it turns out. There are arguments for other criteria, but these are the only ones that are necessary to justify a max deal. In the real world players are underpaid and overpaid just like everyone else because we live in a capitalist structure, which im my opinion is hopelessly flawed but the best economic system currently in existence for better or worse.
Anywho here is a short list of players under 31 who fit the bill in no particular order:
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Dwight Howard
Here are some players who are obviously either on the cusp or have potential of being Franchise Level:
James Harden
Steph Curry
John Wall
Now, some notes: There is an exception to this rule and let’s call it the Tim Duncan Exception. This would describe that player or two in every era that supercedes their lack of popularity/recognition due to sheer production/winning. That is indeed an exception and does not undermine the rule. What under 31 player would or will fall under this exception?
So as you can see being a TRUE franchise player is actually really really really rare and has nothing to do with who as a fan my personal favorite players are. Heck only 2 of my favorite players even made the the list, which is why I know my analysis is at least objective and sound, if not perfect.
Thoughts?
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:29am #829750

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James Harden, Steph Curry and John Wall are all worthy of max contracts. The thing is teams like Charlotte, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Sacramento etc. would/should offer max contracts to 2nd level stars (when they are not in rebuilding mode) sort of what Atlanta did when they signed Joe Johnson. Clearly he wasn’t deserving of being one of the few highest players in the league but to compete in a smaller market and to keep the fanbase interested the deal made sense.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:41am #829759
  
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  Ah but frogman you really actually made one of my points. When has giving a max deal to a guy that isn’t a Franchise Player ever worked out for a small market team?
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  - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 6:04am #829821
    
    jjbutler73
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    How many times has ANY contract “worked out” for a small market team? By your standards, never. The fact is, if teams want to compete, they have to pay. But since you feel you have all the answers to what a franchise player is, you can never be wrong.
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    - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 7:18am #829959
      
      TripleDoubleScout
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      First off okc, san antonio are the two biggest examples. Second, there is no need to get fiesty because someone posted a frigging opinion and asked for others opinions on the subject. Jeez smh…
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    - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 7:18am #829849
      
      TripleDoubleScout
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      First off okc, san antonio are the two biggest examples. Second, there is no need to get fiesty because someone posted a frigging opinion and asked for others opinions on the subject. Jeez smh…
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  - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 6:04am #829931
    
    jjbutler73
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    How many times has ANY contract “worked out” for a small market team? By your standards, never. The fact is, if teams want to compete, they have to pay. But since you feel you have all the answers to what a franchise player is, you can never be wrong.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:41am #829868
  
  TripleDoubleScout
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  Ah but frogman you really actually made one of my points. When has giving a max deal to a guy that isn’t a Franchise Player ever worked out for a small market team?
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 3:29am #829858

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James Harden, Steph Curry and John Wall are all worthy of max contracts. The thing is teams like Charlotte, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Sacramento etc. would/should offer max contracts to 2nd level stars (when they are not in rebuilding mode) sort of what Atlanta did when they signed Joe Johnson. Clearly he wasn’t deserving of being one of the few highest players in the league but to compete in a smaller market and to keep the fanbase interested the deal made sense.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 4:46am #829771

Hale
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Blake Griffin isn’t really a franchise player, but his popularity and marketability make him worth near the max.
I do think Harden, Curry and Wall could earn one in due time but to this point they haven’t. Also just wondering why did you pick 31 instead of 30? Seems like a random number to me.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 4:46am #829881

Hale
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Blake Griffin isn’t really a franchise player, but his popularity and marketability make him worth near the max.
I do think Harden, Curry and Wall could earn one in due time but to this point they haven’t. Also just wondering why did you pick 31 instead of 30? Seems like a random number to me.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 5:02am #829787

headcase
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Kyrie Irving should be up there.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 5:02am #829897

headcase
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Kyrie Irving should be up there.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 5:05am #829797

David Stern a.k.a. da muthaf@cking leader of da krypts
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Blake Griffin is not a franchise player. One could argue that Rondo should take his place on that list. D Wade also deserves to be there. Kevin Love was the best PF in the game when he was healthy so I would include him as well. I feel like people completely forgot about him and what he did every night in the Nba.
The potential franchise player list should be longer IMO. Paul George definitely deserves to be there (if you don’t consider him a franchise player yet) as well as Kyrie Irving, Demarcus Cousins and Damian Lillard. Maybe even Kawhi Leonard. I’m not very high on him, but I know others are.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 7:25am #829955
  
  Hale
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  D-Wade absolutely does not belong on this list…he’s not under 31.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 7:25am #829845
  
  Hale
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  D-Wade absolutely does not belong on this list…he’s not under 31.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:01am #829974
    
    David Stern a.k.a. da muthaf@cking leader of da krypts
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    My bad… Why under 31 though..? Random.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:01am #829865
    
    David Stern a.k.a. da muthaf@cking leader of da krypts
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    My bad… Why under 31 though..? Random.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 5:05am #829907

David Stern a.k.a. da muthaf@cking leader of da krypts
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Blake Griffin is not a franchise player. One could argue that Rondo should take his place on that list. D Wade also deserves to be there. Kevin Love was the best PF in the game when he was healthy so I would include him as well. I feel like people completely forgot about him and what he did every night in the Nba.
The potential franchise player list should be longer IMO. Paul George definitely deserves to be there (if you don’t consider him a franchise player yet) as well as Kyrie Irving, Demarcus Cousins and Damian Lillard. Maybe even Kawhi Leonard. I’m not very high on him, but I know others are.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 5:47am #829813

mikeyvthedon
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He was eating breakfast in Yorkville (fancy part of Toronto, he is here for Caribana). I walked by him a few times with my dog. Than, as live really close to there, I dropped my dog off. Than went back to a store to get a soda, this time wearing my "Oden: The Legacy Continues" shirt. He covered his hands in his face when he saw me. I than proceeded to say "Noah stopper" twice. His friend Rich repeated it once as he looked at me. I walked away. Instinct to do that, stupid. My eternal apologies go to LeBron James. However, he and Greg Oden are still my favorite players. Their combination, in my opinion, is incredible. Sorry, had to tell this story, end of my stupid fanboyism.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 5:47am #829923

mikeyvthedon
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He was eating breakfast in Yorkville (fancy part of Toronto, he is here for Caribana). I walked by him a few times with my dog. Than, as live really close to there, I dropped my dog off. Than went back to a store to get a soda, this time wearing my "Oden: The Legacy Continues" shirt. He covered his hands in his face when he saw me. I than proceeded to say "Noah stopper" twice. His friend Rich repeated it once as he looked at me. I walked away. Instinct to do that, stupid. My eternal apologies go to LeBron James. However, he and Greg Oden are still my favorite players. Their combination, in my opinion, is incredible. Sorry, had to tell this story, end of my stupid fanboyism.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 5:51am #829815

i’m jus so offended
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Paul George anyone?
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 5:51am #829925

i’m jus so offended
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Paul George anyone?
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 6:01am #829823

qDizzle32
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I’d definitely take Kyrie Irving over John Wall
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 6:01am #829933

qDizzle32
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I’d definitely take Kyrie Irving over John Wall
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 6:09am #829825

DipoTime
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I have to agree with those saying Kyrie Irving. He is one of the best young players in the world. He has been putting on a show for the US team for a while now. He also put on a show All Star weekend. His excitement on the court mixed with his humor and humility off the court make him one of the most liked players in the league. If it weren’t for injuries then he would be close to that first tier of players on your list.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 7:57am #829977
  
  TripleDoubleScout
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  Agree with everyone on irving being on the potential list with wall, harden and curry. Obvious oversight…
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 7:57am #829867
  
  TripleDoubleScout
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  Agree with everyone on irving being on the potential list with wall, harden and curry. Obvious oversight…
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 6:09am #829935

DipoTime
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I have to agree with those saying Kyrie Irving. He is one of the best young players in the world. He has been putting on a show for the US team for a while now. He also put on a show All Star weekend. His excitement on the court mixed with his humor and humility off the court make him one of the most liked players in the league. If it weren’t for injuries then he would be close to that first tier of players on your list.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 6:59am #829833

CavFanPR
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Kyrie is already a franchise player in my book. Anthony Bennett has potential to be a franchise player but he needs to work hard.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 6:59am #829943

CavFanPR
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Kyrie is already a franchise player in my book. Anthony Bennett has potential to be a franchise player but he needs to work hard.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:20am #829985

Detroit Fanaddict
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As good as Kyrie Irving is his team wasn’t a contender. If being a contender didn’t matter I’d be inclined to say LaMarcus Aldiridge, and Ricky Rubio as well.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:20am #829874

Detroit Fanaddict
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As good as Kyrie Irving is his team wasn’t a contender. If being a contender didn’t matter I’d be inclined to say LaMarcus Aldiridge, and Ricky Rubio as well.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:27am #829992

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Kevin Love and Rondo for sure.
And you’d have to consider Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins, Rubio, and Andrew Bynum.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:27am #829882

NastyDHL
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Kevin Love and Rondo for sure.
And you’d have to consider Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins, Rubio, and Andrew Bynum.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:33am #830007
  
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  I wouldn’t consider Andrew Bynum for shit. He can’t stay healthy, never led his team and clearly didn’t want to play for the 76er’s post trade. He’s lucky he got the 12 million he did.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:33am #829896
  
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  I wouldn’t consider Andrew Bynum for shit. He can’t stay healthy, never led his team and clearly didn’t want to play for the 76er’s post trade. He’s lucky he got the 12 million he did.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 12:20pm #830041
    
    NastyDHL
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    That’s why I said you would have to consider him. If he’s healthy he’s a top 3 center and a top 3 post player…if Kevin Love is healthy, if Derrick Rose is healthy, if Dwight Howard is healthy, if Steph Curry is healthy…
    He never led his team? Do you expect him to lead a team that has Kobe Bryant on it?
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  - Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 12:20pm #830150
    
    NastyDHL
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    That’s why I said you would have to consider him. If he’s healthy he’s a top 3 center and a top 3 post player…if Kevin Love is healthy, if Derrick Rose is healthy, if Dwight Howard is healthy, if Steph Curry is healthy…
    He never led his team? Do you expect him to lead a team that has Kobe Bryant on it?
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:28am #829990

ph90702
A franchise player is a guy who can be the best player on a championship team. He has to be able to make others around him better and take over games when needed.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:28am #829880

ph90702
A franchise player is a guy who can be the best player on a championship team. He has to be able to make others around him better and take over games when needed.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:28am #829987

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I think Kyrie is already a franchise player He did really well in the Blue white game, he is clutch, he is improving, he made the all star team in his second year in the league, and he can carry a team. Also Paul George should be added to the guys on the cusp he showed in the Playoffs how good he is and he should be better next year now that he knows how it is being the primary option for a team.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:28am #829876

phila9012
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I think Kyrie is already a franchise player He did really well in the Blue white game, he is clutch, he is improving, he made the all star team in his second year in the league, and he can carry a team. Also Paul George should be added to the guys on the cusp he showed in the Playoffs how good he is and he should be better next year now that he knows how it is being the primary option for a team.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:28am #829994

kobyz
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i like Greg Monroe! he prove me a lot being wrong about him coming out of college… now i see him as great corner stone to a team! a future Franchise Player, top 5 big man in the game in a year or two…
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:28am #829884

kobyz
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i like Greg Monroe! he prove me a lot being wrong about him coming out of college… now i see him as great corner stone to a team! a future Franchise Player, top 5 big man in the game in a year or two…
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:54am #830015

Hitster
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Max contract for a guy coming off a rookie deal is always a lot less than a max contract to a guy who is 27 or over and getting his 2nd post rookie deal.
Teams this summer have moved away from giving out huge deals and the only two FA’s who got max deals were CP3 and D12 who I doubt anyone would argue about.
I was interested why 31 was chosen as the age limit, another guy who would qualify for that criteria is Chris Bosh but he plays a slightly different role to a main franchise player or even on a team with two franchise guys. But he would probably get max deal offers if and when he is next a FA.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 8:54am #829904

Hitster
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Max contract for a guy coming off a rookie deal is always a lot less than a max contract to a guy who is 27 or over and getting his 2nd post rookie deal.
Teams this summer have moved away from giving out huge deals and the only two FA’s who got max deals were CP3 and D12 who I doubt anyone would argue about.
I was interested why 31 was chosen as the age limit, another guy who would qualify for that criteria is Chris Bosh but he plays a slightly different role to a main franchise player or even on a team with two franchise guys. But he would probably get max deal offers if and when he is next a FA.
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 9:15am #830048
  
  TripleDoubleScout
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  Sorry for not explaining the age thing guys in the original post. The reason is simply I wanted to focus on players who will be or are receiving their FIRST max deal. There is simply no argument/controversy for saying kobe or wade or nowitzki etc deserve max deals. I think its pretty obvious after the fact you know? Hope that answers your question…
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- Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 9:15am #829938
  
  TripleDoubleScout
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  Sorry for not explaining the age thing guys in the original post. The reason is simply I wanted to focus on players who will be or are receiving their FIRST max deal. There is simply no argument/controversy for saying kobe or wade or nowitzki etc deserve max deals. I think its pretty obvious after the fact you know? Hope that answers your question…
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 9:26am #830050

headcase
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I’m not the biggest fan of Klay Thompson but he had some great shooting performances and if he can find some consistency, he should be on the list in 2-4.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 9:26am #829940

headcase
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I’m not the biggest fan of Klay Thompson but he had some great shooting performances and if he can find some consistency, he should be on the list in 2-4.
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 10:51am #829989

Ty Benjamins
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How did you forget THE MAIN 2 young players who have been talked about as the next franchise players ALL YEAR in Paul George and Kyrie Irving? They both was all stars, Kyrie marketability is already high, paul George damn near lead his team to the FINALS past the miami heat. Come on now
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 10:51am #830098

Ty Benjamins
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How did you forget THE MAIN 2 young players who have been talked about as the next franchise players ALL YEAR in Paul George and Kyrie Irving? They both was all stars, Kyrie marketability is already high, paul George damn near lead his team to the FINALS past the miami heat. Come on now
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 11:22am #830019

dolla130
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kyrie is the best player under the age of 24 hands down, id easily take him over wall, curry and Paul George
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 11:22am #830128

dolla130
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kyrie is the best player under the age of 24 hands down, id easily take him over wall, curry and Paul George
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 11:23am #830021

Bmore_DC
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Maybe Damian Lillard and Anthony Davis eventually
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Posted on: Sun, 08/04/2013 - 11:23am #830130

Bmore_DC
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Maybe Damian Lillard and Anthony Davis eventually
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