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  • #52128
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    In the bare bones of this trade, we make the assumption that Kevin Love isn’t settled in Minnesota and the Wolves are willing to trade him before his stock falls. We also assume that Mitch Kupchack doesn’t care what Kobe says about trading Pau Gasol.

    Minny gets a skilled big man in Pau Gasol who can play high post. His skills fit with Pekovic and Rubio really well, and he brings championship experience. While he is old, his skills make him the type of player who can play at a high level for at least 3 more years. The Spanish connection with Rubio doesn’t hurt either.

    As Bill Simmons says, whenever you get the best player in a trade, you win the trade. That is the case with the Rockets. While they have to give up a lot of young talent to get him, they form the second best trio in the NBA (maybe the best with the way Wade is aging). Love’s outside shooting stretches the floor for Howard, while Howard covers for Love’s below average defense. Pick and rolls/pops with Harden, Love, and Howard would be really tough to stop.

    The Lakers might be tough to convince to do this trade. Kobe loves Gasol and might freak out if they trade him away, but Gasol probably can’t play second fiddle on a championship team anymore. He is a huge expiring contract who still contributes at a high level and has championship experience, which makes him a really good asset. We know that the current Lakers roster is not a great fit for D’antoni’s offense. If the Lakers are really committed to their coach, they need to start forming a roster that fits his system.

    If the Lakers don’t mind taking back a defensive stalwart like Asik with his 8 million dollar contract, then the Rockets could put together a nice package of young players with Asik for the Lakers. However, if the Lakers want to keep their cap flexibility for next summer, they need a sizable expiring contract to replace Gasol’s and young talent to make it all worth it, which means that this trade will need a fourth team.

    The fourth team could be any team that has a sizable expiring contract and wants to poach a talented player like Asik or Lin for next to nothing. The fourth team might also have a player that the Lakers would covet.

    So, what does all of this mean? What assets do each team have to find a trade that works?

    Houston
    Trade assets: Asik, Lin (if they can find a taker for his awful contract), Motiejunas, Young, Canaan, Covington, Smith, Jones, Parsons

    Lakers
    Trade assets: Gasol, Blake’s expiring contract, Hill

    Minnesota
    Trade assets: Love, Williams, Shved, Berea, Muhammad

    Fourth Team Trade Assets: Expiring Contracts
    Warriors: Bogut (14 million)
    Celtics: Humphries (12)
    Jazz: Williams (7), Biedrins (9), Jefferson (11)
    Suns: Gortat (7)
    Bobcats: Gordon (13)
    Pacers: Granger (13)

    Fourth Team Trade Assets that the Lakers might want
    Nuggets: Lawson (to run D’Antoni’s uptempo offense), Gallinari (in D’antoni’s opinion, “the best shooter he’s ever seen)
    Bucks: Illyasova

    Here are four trade options that might make all of these pieces fit. There are other options and variants, but these are four of the best. The first option has Houston giving up the least to make the trade happen, and the last option has Houston giving up the most. The most likely trade is probably somewhere in the middle.

    Option #1 – If the Lakers want a package of Asik and young prospects
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ojlxvoy

    Minny
    Gives: Love, Derrick Williams
    Receives: Gasol, Moteijunas

    I’m not sure that Gasol would be enough for the Wolves, but he might be close to enough. He and Moteijunas would give the Wolves skilled big men next to Pekovic and to play pick-and-roll with Rubio.

    Houston
    Gives: Motiejunas, Asik, Canaan, 2014 1st round
    Receives: Love

    In any one of these trades, if the Rockets get Kevin Love without trading Harden or Howard, they win.

    Lakers
    Gives: Gasol
    Receives: Asik, Williams, Canaan, Houston’s 2014 1st round

    What do the Lakers want as they move into the run-n-gun era? Asik would give defensive effort, rebounding, and a solid pick man. Williams is not a great player, but he is a young player who can score in a variety of ways on the wing or inside. Houston would probably also be willing to give up Greg Smith, Terrance Jones, and/or Isaiah Canaan, if they were interested in any of those young players. Smith doesn’t really fit their offense, but Jones might fit the offense well and Canaan could become a Kyle Lowry-type of point guard.

    Option #2 – If the Lakers want a package of Asik and young prospects, but Minny wants more than just Gasol and change
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nrpyyxb

    Minny
    Gives: Love, Derrick Williams
    Receives: Gasol, Parsons

    A hull of Parsons and Gasol is a pretty nice package for Kevin Love. Parsons would be a perfect wing next to Rubio and Gasol would be a good compliment to Pekovic.

    Houston
    Gives: Motiejunas, Asik, Parsons, 2014 1st round
    Receives: Love

    Best case scenario: the Rockets can keep Parson, but if they get back a player like Love, he might be worth parting ways with.

    Lakers
    Gives: Gasol
    Receives: Asik, Williams, Motiejunas, Houston’s 2014 1st round, Jones/Canaan/Smith

    The Lakers might want Motiejunas as a prospect. His offensive abilities could develop and flourish under D’antoni.

    Option #3 – If the Lakers want to keep cap flexibility heading into the summer of 2014
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=npgqe88

    Minny
    Gives: Love, Derrick Williams
    Receives: Gasol, Parsons

    Houston
    Gives: Motiejunas, Asik, Parsons, 2014 1st round
    Receives: Love

    Lakers
    Gives: Gasol
    Receives: Bogut, Barnes, Motiejunas, Houston’s 2014 1st round, Jones/Canaan/Smith

    Bogut can play solid minutes in the middle, but his best value is his expiring contract. In this trade, the Lakers also get Barnes, who might be a future all-star in the making

    Warriors
    Gives: Bogut, Barnes
    Receives: Asik, Williams

    Asik is an upgrade over Bogut. He is younger, is more durable, has a better contract, and is a better rebounder. They have to give up Barnes, but they get back a scorer who can play the stretch-four position and backup both David Lee and Andre Igoudala.

    Options #4 – Rather than other prospects, would D’antoni prefer established shooters for his system?
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ptzha3z

    Minny
    Gives: Love, Derrick Williams
    Receives: Gasol, Parsons

    Houston
    Gives: Motiejunas, Asik, Lin, Parsons, Smith, Canaan
    Receives: Love

    The Rockets could also take Steve Blake back from the Lakers to fill the point guard role for their team.

    This trade has Houston giving up more assets that all of the other trades, but it still might be worth it. They still have Terrance Jones and Marcus Camby to back up their bigs (although they will probably need another big man) and Aaron Brooks, Patrick Beverly, and BJ Young to play point guard. When you have enough talent in your big three, the role players need to be specialists, which it seems like they would still have. Besides, big men like Cole Aldrich and Drew Gooden are still available as free agents. While point guards like Roddy Beaubois, Nolan Smith, and Andrew Goudelock are available and might still develop into rotation guards.

    Lakers
    Gives: Gasol
    Receives: Illyasova, Motiejunas, Canaan, Asik

    Quick trivia: who was the best non-guard three point shooter last season. The answer: Illyasova at 44%. Illysova could easily play power forward in D’antoni’s uptempo, open floor system. If they want, the Lakers can take Asik in this trade, but they don’t have to in order to make the numbers work. Moteijunas and Canaan are both young prospects. Canaan might develop into D’antoni’s starting point guard and Moteijunas could be a rotation big man.

    Bucks
    Gives: Illyasova
    Receives: Williams, Lin, Smith

    Lin is not a top-ten (or maybe even top 15) point guard in the league, but the Bucks probably don’t have a true point guard on their roster. Lin’s two-year contract is obnoxious, but its length makes it bearable. He might even develop more confidence in a smaller market. Williams could fill the role left by Illyasova as a scorer next to Sanders and Henson. Smith is one of the most efficient big men in the NBA and could bring muscle inside next to the Buck’s big men.

    Which trade do you think is most realistic, assuming that the Lakers and Wolves were willing to trade Gasol and Love? Other variations? Other fourth team options?

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  • #841002
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    Platypus
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    Instead of making a total different post ill post my own idea here:

    If the Bledsoe / Dragic backcourt doesn’t work out, I have an idea that makes sense for them

    Dragic for Aaron Afflalo
    Shannon Brown for Chris Copeland

    This gives the Magic a point guard that they need

    Dragic – Oladipo – Harkless – Harris – Vucevic
    Nelson – Lamb – Turkoglu – Maxiell / Davis – Davis

    This gives the Pacers an energy combo guard off the bench

    Hill – Stephenson – George – West – Hibbert
    Watson – Brown – Granger (6th man role Manu) – Scola – Mahinmi

    This gives the Suns a defender and a shooter who can play off the ball next to Bledsoe

    Bledsoe – Afflalo – Copeland – Morris – Gortat
    Marshall / Smith – Goodwin – Green – Morris – Len

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  • #840893
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    Instead of making a total different post ill post my own idea here:

    If the Bledsoe / Dragic backcourt doesn’t work out, I have an idea that makes sense for them

    Dragic for Aaron Afflalo
    Shannon Brown for Chris Copeland

    This gives the Magic a point guard that they need

    Dragic – Oladipo – Harkless – Harris – Vucevic
    Nelson – Lamb – Turkoglu – Maxiell / Davis – Davis

    This gives the Pacers an energy combo guard off the bench

    Hill – Stephenson – George – West – Hibbert
    Watson – Brown – Granger (6th man role Manu) – Scola – Mahinmi

    This gives the Suns a defender and a shooter who can play off the ball next to Bledsoe

    Bledsoe – Afflalo – Copeland – Morris – Gortat
    Marshall / Smith – Goodwin – Green – Morris – Len

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  • #841010
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    We give up Asik, Parsons, and Motie for an All-Star and possibly the best PF in the L at the age of 25?

    I’ll take it.

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  • #840901
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    We give up Asik, Parsons, and Motie for an All-Star and possibly the best PF in the L at the age of 25?

    I’ll take it.

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  • #841014
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    Moon River
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    That must have taken some serious time so kudos to you.

    I could not get thru the entire thing, but love this line, “Asik is an upgrade over Bogut.” I never thought I would see those words in print or spoken, but I have to agree with you. Good stuff.

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  • #840905
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    That must have taken some serious time so kudos to you.

    I could not get thru the entire thing, but love this line, “Asik is an upgrade over Bogut.” I never thought I would see those words in print or spoken, but I have to agree with you. Good stuff.

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  • #841018
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    Tyrober
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    I gave you a +1 because you really put some thought into it instead of making a nonsense trade idea just to do it. Interesting ideas.

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  • #840909
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    Tyrober
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    I gave you a +1 because you really put some thought into it instead of making a nonsense trade idea just to do it. Interesting ideas.

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  • #841042
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    I don’t think Minny should do these. Love is the top PF in the league when healthy. I do really love Parsons game, but he is not in Love’s league as a player and Gasol would help limit the loss of Love in the short term, but certainly not long term. Minny had better be absolutely convinced that they have no chance of keeping Love or getting more for him before they do a trade like this, especially since Love’s trade value may be at a low due to his injury.

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  • #840933
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    I don’t think Minny should do these. Love is the top PF in the league when healthy. I do really love Parsons game, but he is not in Love’s league as a player and Gasol would help limit the loss of Love in the short term, but certainly not long term. Minny had better be absolutely convinced that they have no chance of keeping Love or getting more for him before they do a trade like this, especially since Love’s trade value may be at a low due to his injury.

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  • #841078
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    I usually don’t like trade ideas but in this one there’s a lot of sense, you really put some effort and thought. Congrats.
    About the trade – imo, everything less than Gasol+Parsons for Love is a robbery.
    The fourth team – probably the Nuggets, I can’t imagine the Warriors giving up on 8arnes, not just yet.

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    • #841269
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      The Lakers might prefer Lawson or Gallinari, but no trade really makes sense for them. They want to give more minutes to McGee, so getting Asik doesn’t make much sense. But if they Nuggets got Lin without giving up Lawson, then they would have four point guards on their roster. I think the Lakers would prefer getting Gallinari. Here are some trades with the Nuggets, but none are great.

      For Gallinari
      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oqptghf
      with the Nuggets getting two first round picks from the Rockets

      For Lawson
      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qcoz8ww
      with the Nuggets getting a first round pick from the Rockets and cash from the Lakers to cover Lin’s contract next year (though that doesn’t help their cap space, it would help a smaller market team take Lin’s weird contract)

      For Lawson and Gallinari
      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=otoukqv

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    • #841158
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      The Lakers might prefer Lawson or Gallinari, but no trade really makes sense for them. They want to give more minutes to McGee, so getting Asik doesn’t make much sense. But if they Nuggets got Lin without giving up Lawson, then they would have four point guards on their roster. I think the Lakers would prefer getting Gallinari. Here are some trades with the Nuggets, but none are great.

      For Gallinari
      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oqptghf
      with the Nuggets getting two first round picks from the Rockets

      For Lawson
      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qcoz8ww
      with the Nuggets getting a first round pick from the Rockets and cash from the Lakers to cover Lin’s contract next year (though that doesn’t help their cap space, it would help a smaller market team take Lin’s weird contract)

      For Lawson and Gallinari
      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=otoukqv

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  • #841189
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    I usually don’t like trade ideas but in this one there’s a lot of sense, you really put some effort and thought. Congrats.
    About the trade – imo, everything less than Gasol+Parsons for Love is a robbery.
    The fourth team – probably the Nuggets, I can’t imagine the Warriors giving up on 8arnes, not just yet.

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  • #841080
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    TheTruth86
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    I usually don’t like trade ideas but in this one there’s a lot of sense, you really put some effort and thought. Congrats.
    About the trade – imo, everything less than Gasol+Parsons for Love is a robbery.
    The fourth team – probably the Nuggets, I can’t imagine the Warriors giving up on 8arnes, not just yet.

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  • #841191
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    TheTruth86
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    I usually don’t like trade ideas but in this one there’s a lot of sense, you really put some effort and thought. Congrats.
    About the trade – imo, everything less than Gasol+Parsons for Love is a robbery.
    The fourth team – probably the Nuggets, I can’t imagine the Warriors giving up on 8arnes, not just yet.

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  • #841082
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    TheTruth86
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    Sorry for the double-posting, I’m online thru a mobile.

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  • #841193
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    TheTruth86
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    Sorry for the double-posting, I’m online thru a mobile.

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  • #842034
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    Mopgrass
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    I’m wondering if the Lakers avoid trading Gasol because they think they can get him for cheap on a 3-year extension… and that might be more valuable than Omar Asik and Derrick Williams.

    If the Lakers had any way of actually getting Harrison Barnes, they should do it. I very highly doubt that’s possible. The Warriors would rather ditch David Lee.

    The Lakers should probably trade Gasol for a bad, expiring contract and collect a bunch of up and comers or 2014 draft picks… as many as possible. Good luck with that.

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  • #842145
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    I’m wondering if the Lakers avoid trading Gasol because they think they can get him for cheap on a 3-year extension… and that might be more valuable than Omar Asik and Derrick Williams.

    If the Lakers had any way of actually getting Harrison Barnes, they should do it. I very highly doubt that’s possible. The Warriors would rather ditch David Lee.

    The Lakers should probably trade Gasol for a bad, expiring contract and collect a bunch of up and comers or 2014 draft picks… as many as possible. Good luck with that.

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