[HaleParticipant]

Knicksboy to continue our coversation.

McGrady was a great number 1 option in his prime, he just had no supporting cast, less then the one Iverson had, yes that bad. So you always say he is so overrated but Kobe didn’t win in the playoffs without Shaq or Phil. In fact he missed the playoffs, he didn’t do anything more then McGrady without help (Pau, Bynum or Shaq, Phil). So stay consistent with your argument and apply it to all, not just T-Mac.

[Michael.S.Participant]

never seen an unstoppable scorer like Mcgrady a #2 option

[HaleParticipant]

I know! He wouldn’t have been the number 2 option on any team in his prime, except to a team with Shaq or Duncan.

[JNixonParticipant]

T-Mac was a menace in his prime, agruably the best scorer in the game. Definitely a no.1 option

[MattissickParticipant]

T-Mac is too injury prone these days. The Rockets should try to trade him for some good young talent.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Definitely agree with you now, I would love to see him play with LBJ and Shaq up in Cleveland now, but they were speaking of him in his prime.

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Thank you guys for this topic…his time in Orlando he was easily the best scorer in the league, he took double and triple teams and still led the league in scoring back to back seasons, when they would play the Lakers he would light Kobe up, but his teams never had an answer for big men which is why he never won a series, but to even take those Orlando teams to the playoffs was an accomplishment in itself…having Mike Miller as a sidekick was the best it ever got for him, and that’s not good renough, if he would’ve been paired with a good big at that time, even in Indiana with O’Neal before his knees broke down, his team would’ve went far!!!

[MattissickParticipant]

Yeah he was crazy when he was in Orlando. I wish he could still be like that. I hope the Rockets can rebound from all this. They are a good organization.

[Daprob89Participant]

Dont ever put Kobe and T-mac in the same fuckin sentence again lets take a look at the stats:

(Kobe) T-mac

Second round App: (10) 0

Ring count: (4) Zero

MVP honors: (1 ) 0

50+ games: ( 25) 4

40+ games: (93) 45

Triple doubles: (14) 4

Career Pts avg: ( 25.1) 22.1

Career FG avg: (45.5%) 43.3%

Etc…

Stop comparing Kobe to this fuckin washed up bum Kobe is the closest thing to Mike but still far from it

[Deeds]

T-Mac may be is the most versatile wing player, a great scorer in his prime.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I cannot agree man. Saying the word EVER is too much for McGrady…he is not the best anything

[daballaParticipant]

The reason why tmac’s numbers are lower than Kobe’s are because of all of his injuries. When tmac was in his prime he was consistently beat down with double and triple teams which would later result in his injuries because he had no one to help him. Kobe for most of his career has had someone to back him up if he needed it so he never had to carry the heavy burden like tmac did when he was in Orlando. You have to realize that when you’re a deadly scorer like tmac on a bad team then you’ll have to create for your team consistently which means you’re the only one that can attack the basket. Nowadays when ever an NBA defense sees a guy like tmac attack the basket they gotta crack him down! Like Charles Barkley said, “You gotta put ’em on there @$$.”

[Knicksboy34Participant]

no, T-mac played alot of injury free seasons. He got hurt over the last 2 years. No excuses. McGrady is nowhere near Kobe. No Where

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Wow Kobe only has 14 triple doubles? LeBron has almost twice as that.

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

Bad Work Ethics Lead To T-Macs Injury Prone Career…….Kobe On The Other Hand Is The Most Dedicated Player In the Game……They Both Got What They Deserve, Kobe 4 Rings, 1 mvp……..Tmac Nothing Worth Mentioning

[jojososa5Participant]

Was one of tha greatest number one options in tha game, he jus never had tha supporting cast to get over tha hump.. i think if he goes to someone like tha nets who almost have no talent on their roster, he could revive his career. Also getting traded to tha Rockets didnt help his career either

[ckowalskiParticipant]

how is getting traded to a team with no talent going to revive his career when he is not winning on a team with no supporting cast now? Yea he was great as a 30ppg scorer in Orlando but they still never won anything. I would rather see him go to a team where he can win or better yet just get healthy with the rockets.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

plus the nets are just dumping salary for 2010 and would probably have to give up at least 1 or 2 good young players, Courtney Lee, Brook Lopez, maybe CDR, along with a proven vet and a draft pick. Benefits the rockets for young cheap talent but it hurts the nets to rent a guy for 1 season when they have no shot at a championship.

[HaleParticipant]

If you actually read what I wrote you would know that without tons of help; Kobe didn’t get past the first round either. Read before you criticize.

[Daprob89Participant]

Wait hold up didnt kobe avg 35 when he was by himself…
So what are we really saying here?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

well. I agree. Kobe never made it past round 1 by himself but i think if you put Kobe on Orlando and move T-mac to another team, Kobe would be more sucessful by himself

Also, the west when Kobe was by himself was Super tougher then when T-mac was in the east

[billykParticipant]

TMac is very overrated…. His career shooting percentage (from 2s and 3s) is terrible, he plays below average defense, and he doesnt rebound like he should…. The only reason he was scored so much cause he shoots alot and plays NOOO defense…

[HaleParticipant]

The West just got the power shift a few years ago Knicksboy, the East had it before. The West only really had the Spurs, Sacramento and like Dallas, the East had the Nets, Pistons, Pacers (Bucks were pretty good too) and Philly. When McGrady was in Orlando the east and west were pretty even and I don’t believe Kobe would have done much more the Magic then McGrady did, if at all.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

no they were not. On the count of from 2000 to 2009, only 3 teams won a title in the east (Pistons and Celtics and Heat)

The East has never been close to the West since Jordan left (please dont even bring up ALL STAR GAMES AS PROOF)

[HaleParticipant]

I don’t really watch All Star games and they don’t matter so I won’t bring that up (I wasn’t going to anyway). From 2000-2004 I just looked it up, you are right the west was a bit stronger. That doesn’t mean McGrady had an easy time, since he was the only option on his team and he was constantly doubled and tripled. If he played on the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe played on Orlando, the Lakers still would have won those 3 titles and probably more because McGrady wouldn’t have forced Shaq out and Orlando would have been about the same as well. T-mac was as good as any player in the NBA in Orlando.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

So, youre saying…If you had a pick and both guys stay healthy…who would you take? Kobe or McGrady?

[HaleParticipant]

Kobe, but that is because he has uncanny work ethic, that doesn’t mean that McGrady wasn’t amazing in Orlando though.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Ok, just wanted to make sure. Im sorry i just dont see T-mac as a superstar player (then and now) and 1 playoff series win… wont change it

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

k first of all mcgrady in his prime was very very good..he was a notch blow kobe but still a superstar..one of the top 5-10 players easily…billy that comment you made cant be serious…the reason he scored so much is because he shot alot?..really…for one he scored so much because he was so good at it and no one could check him…as far as shooting alot ummm i think you have to shoot and make alot to score…you dont just magically score alot unless you shoot nothing but free throws

[billykParticipant]

I understand McGrady was good in Orlando but he would score 30 and give up 30…. What seperates great scores are some play defense and some dont McGrady was never intrested in defensive…He was a great scorer but he wasnt very efficent (he made scoring look good because he made hard shots look easy)…. My thing is McGrady is a poor defensive player, doesnt rebound, and the only reason he scored soo much was because he was the ONLY option… You think if Orlando was a championship contending he would have led the league in scoring 02-04…. I just saying McGrady is overrated…. as far as top 5-10 players, I would have taken Kobe, Shaq, Pierce, Nowitzki, Garnett, Webber, Duncan, Kidd, RayAllen, Iverson over McGrady in the early 2000’s…. Remember its just my opinion.

[llperez]

not trying to call you out, but you did admit to being 16 and most of your exposure to a prime TMac was through news articles and video clips, right? Well for those of us who watched him play, the dude was hands down a top 10 player for a number of years. There were probably 2-3 years where he was top 5. He was versatile and as explosive a scorer as there was in the game. It’s easy to hate on him now, but he was great. Not too many players in the history of this game could win a series all by themselves. When he was in Orlando, GHill was injured and TMac never had that great second option. Since he got to Houston, he has had injuries and has not been the same player.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I didnt say that. I said i have old articles and old clips and box scores talking about McGrady . I saw McGrady play. …im not that young.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

exactly……..theres no use arguing with him..his mind is made up and he has abias against tmac..you cant argue with someone who just doesnt like a player

[llperez]

TMac was never better then Kobe, and he was never the MVP. But you seem to think he was a lot worse then he was.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

what do i have against T-mac? No Offense but I dont think he’s special. I think he is a good player, not a great one who for a 4 year stretch average amazing numbers. I mean we saw players do this in the past (Bernard King, Mark Aguirre) so im not surprised there’s one this decade.

[HaleParticipant]

He put up amazing numbers because he was an amazing player.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Ok, you say amazing, i say good. I think he is not great.

YupYup- just how you said Carter is overrated, i think McGrady is

[Knicksboy34Participant]

yea he was, but he wasnt a #1 option on a good team. Like I said before, I would take a TRUE #1 in Duncan over a Fake #1 option in McGrady

[HaleParticipant]

Carter was purely a scorer, McGrady did it all, his only weaknesses were defensive effort and shot selection. Carter just is a super athlete who has a solid jump shot but did very little else until now because his career is winding down. He decent all around but not at Tracy’s level. Tracy McGrady was WAY better then Vince Carter in both their primes, it isn’t even close.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

whoa whoa..bernard king & Mark Aguirre were amazing players for a number of years hes a amazing player period..now im really starting to question youre basketball knowledge

[HaleParticipant]

What is the definition of a True number 1? A person who wins a championship with a stacked lineup?

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

yeah im curious what is considered a tru number one???..because it seems that to you a true number one is a player who does the things mcgrady did but also had very good teammates …hmmmmmmm

[Knicksboy34Participant]

YupYup- your crazy. Carter was WAYYYYY Better from T-mac im looking at the number now and there are not that far off. I think Carter was “The Next Jordan” but he got unhappy with Toronto and let that effect him.

Carter’s Career Numbers- 23.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.3 apg

McGrady’s Career Numbers- 22.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 4.7 apg

not too far off, I would take Carter though, i think Carter was overall better and he was more of a leader.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

A true Number 1….there is no defination. But there are fake ones. There are 30 teams in the NBA, so there are technically 30 “#1 options”

Duncan was a Franchise Changer from Day One. There is a reason why he is a 4-time Title Winner and a 2-time MVP. He led his team in every title they won. Period. He made it eaiser for his teammates.

[llperez]

all bias aside, I watched both those guys for their entire careers. And I think they were both stars. But I’ll go with a prime Tmac over a prime Carter any day.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

carter as the next jordan? did i really just read that?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

NAME THE BEST PLAYERS FROM 2001- 2006

[llperez]

I don’t think people are trying to get you to say Tmac was better then Duncan, at least I hope not. But like you said, Duncan was a 2 time mvp, so is’nt it possible that TMac was not better then Duncan, but still a top 5 player and a legit number one option during his best days?

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

tru..although nash was a 2 time mvp too and i know a coupel of guards i would have picked over him those years

[Knicksboy34Participant]

eh, i dont believe he was. I say his name before : Mark Aguirre.

He was a great scorer in the 80’s but he was not a great #1 option on Dallas and ended up winning titles on the Pistons.

[HaleParticipant]

Okay, 1. McGrady came out of high school and grew in as a player so he would obviously have bad numbers in the beginning. plus the last 3 years he has been hurt he hasn’t put up numbers near what he did in Orlando if you want to compare their stats do it by their best 4 seasons. They aren’t as close. Plus Carter can’t pass, rebound or defend like McGrayd could. Vince isn’t even close, at all.

Carter-26.5 ppg 5.9 rpg 4.85 apg

McGrady-28.15 ppg 7.1 rpg 5.9 apg (Way Better)

[llperez]

yeah, I actually thought Nash should’nt have won either of those mvp’s. But I do think he should have won it the year they gave it to Dirk, but there was no way they were gonna give nash 3 in a row when he probably did’nt deserve the first 2.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

that’s not fair Yup-Yup….. were a re examing T-mac’s WHOLE CAREER

[Michael.S.Participant]

my man compare them at there fullest potentil their best seasons

[HaleParticipant]

It is definitely fair, I am arguing his career in his prime (the part you deny was great) which I just proved to you was better number wise then Carter.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Mark Aguirre……thats all i gotta say

Also, Can someone name me another superstar who will be traded in his contract year?

[ckowalskiParticipant]

shaq

[HaleParticipant]

Mark Aguirre has nothing to do with McGrady, so that holds no weight.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

got me there…but Shaq has rings

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Mark Aguirre’s career is who T-mac’s career is looking like

and Shaq’s team never got better when he was hurt…

[HaleParticipant]

Again “Shaq’s team never got better when he was hurt…” has nothing to do with his prime. Which is what this argument is about.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

no its not, i said McGrady is the most overrated player in the past 15-20 years.

McGrady is this Era’s Mark Aguirre. Shaq’s team never got better

Also, A Fake #1 option could be Antwan Jamsion. He had good numbers in GS but was not a good #1 option on a good team.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

I don’t think thats a fair assessment. You pointed out yourself that the Magic got the number one pick after Mcgrady left. If the rockets come out and go 10-0 to start the season next year are we going to say they are better off without yao and mcgrady? When they won 11 games in a row 2 years ago without yao we didnt say that yao should immediately be traded because he is no help to this team. Fact is mcgrady brings a unique skill set to houston that no one can match, yao as well. i think if mcgrady was as expendable as you are suggesting he would have been traded already. He is just waiting to come back and prove all his doubters wrong.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

why is there career alike?..in what way?..is it just because of the scoring because if thats the case i can name a couple of guys who are or will be in the hall of fame or have there jerseys retired whos careers (scoreing) is similar

[HaleParticipant]

The only thing similar about Aguirre and McGrady’s career numbers are points. The Rebounds are semi close but the assists and steals aren’t plus Aguirre was a bit more turnover prone.

[HaleParticipant]

Well knicksboy, Carter is more overrated then McGrady so there you go. You are wrong.

[HaleParticipant]

Pierce, Nowizki, Webber (who couldn’t stay on the court) and Allen over McGrady really? You don’t know much about him i assume, he isn’t Ben Gordon, he doesn’t give up 30 to his man that often and he was signed in Orlando to be a defensive stopper until Hill got hurt so obviously he was interested in defense at one point.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I would take a Healthy Webber over a Healthy McGrady.

YupYup- you said it right, he was interested in defense….at one point

[llperez]

has probably ran it’s course. Knicksboy does’nt think as highly of mcgrady as some others do. Sort of like banging your head into a wall at this point to continue to argue over it.

[billykParticipant]

When did he play defensive in Tronto he was known for dunking and scoring (he was signed to be a scorer)…. McGrady was never really an ironman himself… Dude always gets lit up people never noticed cause he was dropping 30 or 40 points… Grant Hill was injured was always hurt… McGrady and defensive thats a joke…

[Knicksboy34Participant]

llperez22

now you wanna quit? because someone agrees with me? you can go

[HaleParticipant]

Knicksboy you would take a healthy Nene over him too, probably a healthy Larry Hughes too. That doesn’t mean you are right, especially since you are far from it.

[HaleParticipant]

Give me some evidence of him getting dropped 30 and 40 on, a few dozen times a season as you are suggesting and then maybe I will take your opinion seriously.

[llperez]

Thanks

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

he wasnt considered a defense of stopper but he was never by no means as bad as a defender as you say so im not sure where you are getting that from he played average defense not great nor was it bad…i used to follow mcgrady, watching most of his games so youre not gonna convince me he was such a bad defender nor that he was overrated in his prime …and name all these times he gave up 30-40..i can think of a couple which comes out to the same average as most of the best shooting guards that have played

[Knicksboy34Participant]

youre must have not seen Webber play…..

[HaleParticipant]

Knicksboy seeing as you are so young I think it would be you who had never seen him play. Webber was a great great player but McGrady is his prime was a HOF player.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

both in there prime mcgrady was better..yeah i didnt know he was so young i can understand now

[HaleParticipant]

Let me restate that, in their primes they were both HOF players, but McGrady gets the slight edge in my book. Plus they weren’t good at the same period of time unless you count his first season in Orlando.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

no he was not. McGrady is Mark Aguirre 2.0 thats it.

Webber was one of a kind. He had a couple of issues in his career ( butting head with Don Nelson and microfrature surgery) and his number were still pretty good.

[HaleParticipant]

I am not knocking Webber as a player, he was fantastic. McGrady was better in his prime though, it’s really not that hard to understand. He is nothing like Aguirre except scoring wise too, so yeah bad argument.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

both in there prime mcgrady was better..yeah i didnt know he was so young i can understand now

what does my age have to do with anything?

[HaleParticipant]

He means to say that he understands why you are belittling McGrady, because you didn’t see him in his prime.

[Stanford hoopsParticipant]

webber wasnt one of a kind..he was a good player but far from one of a kind…he MIGHT go to the hall of fame..if he was a one of a kind he would have had at least one mvp a couple first team all nbas and be a first ballot hall of famer..sorry his stats and what he did is far from one of a kind…that was a pretty funny joke though

[Knicksboy34Participant]

OK. Lets end this…I saw McGrady in his prime. his prime was 2001 to 2006

[HaleParticipant]

So you are judging him by what you remember of him as an eight yeard old until you were 13? That is a tough way to judge someone.

On another note, how was the podcast? I never really heard what happened with it?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I didnt do the Podcast yet, there never msg me yet…i hope they still do.

[HaleParticipant]

Oh okay.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

yea man, they havent recorded another show yet…so i dunno yet

[HaleParticipant]

Anyway, T-Mac > Carter, Webber. Hands dwon.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

LOL

[HaleParticipant]

Gotta find a new topic to argue about!

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Yea…we’ll find one.

[HaleParticipant]

Hmmm how do you feel about Greg Oden and Durant? Or Amare or Rose?

[bobbob8Participant]

Mcradys underrated. even though he struggles in the playoffs he could be amazing if it wasnt for injuries.

[HaleParticipant]

You just earned my respect.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Oden- Bust
Durant- Skinnier James Worthy
Amare- Slightly Overrated
Rose- Top 5 pg

[HaleParticipant]

Well other then Amare (even though you are right) we agree on those.

[bobbob8Participant]

dont call Oden a bust if he was Playing with the Thunder hed at least get 15pts 10rebs a game, hed get that this season if didnt keep getting in foul trouble.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

To a point, but im getting nervous…he has got injured alot…

[llperez]

too early to call him a bust. And I don’t see many similarities in Durant and Worthy other then they were both skinny forwards. Worthy was a poor shooter past 18 feet, and he liked to attack the rim. He had some nice spin moves around the basket. Durant will probably hit more threes next season then worthy had during his entire career.

[HaleParticipant]

IMO

Oden is overrated, he will never be better then Durant. Durant is amazing, Amare is a beast but needs to try more and Rose is the future.

[llperez]

As far as the hype oden was getting out of highschool, yes he is overrated. But centers can tend to take a while to develop. If he stays healthy, he could be a top 3 or 4 center in this league. Durant is better, but elite centers have more of an impact on the game usually then perimter scorers. I think Portland would take Durant if they could do it over again, but it is still too early to call Oden the next sam bowie.

I agree on Amare and Rose. I truly believe Rose has a chance to challenge Paul for best pg in the league in a few years. Amare will never be a defensive force, but his offense is elite and he should be a perennial all-star.

[HaleParticipant]

Oden, yeah you better explained my opinion on him, I don’t think he will ever be great and I never did but I think he will be solid.

[bobbob8Participant]

what theyl get out of Oden is more 15-17pts 10-13rebs. i dont hell ever score nearly as much as Durant but hell be a good player.

[jcjParticipant]

Oden still needs to develop. His rookie year basically showed that he wasn’t ready for the NBA yet. Foul trouble is exactly what he needs to overcome. If he doesn’t learn to do that, he won’t be an elite player. I do agree though that its too early to call him a bust. I don’t think he’ll be a superstar level player like Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, and now Dwight Howard, but he could be a good next tier center – not All-NBA, but part time All-Star. For that to happen though, he’s got to develop over the next few years. On the other end of the spectrum, if his numbers don’t improve, he could end up as an Olowokandi.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I just wanted to point out that in Greg Oden’s rookie year, which by many was considered sub par, he averaged 7 rebounds per game. This in 21.5 minutes of play, the same amount Eddy Curry averaged in his career high season where he was logging 35.2 mpg. Now, I know Eddy Curry may not be the best guy to compare someone to in terms of not being a bust, plus the fact that Eddy Curry would only be able to average 9-10 rebounds if the ball had cream filling inside of it, but I found that kind of cool. I mean, Eddy Curry was considered to be a possible beast, and Oden obviously has much more of an ability to block shots and board than EC. Not to mention that Greg probably has better foot speed, a stronger work ethic and is not as close to as far behind as people say he is. When someone misses a season due to microfracture surgery, I still say it is their first year as they had little to no chance to improve as a basketball player. The guy worked on his upper body hard core, and he has been hurt a few times, like most big guys tend to be, but I do not think that means he is DeSagana Diop. He may not be Shaq, Ewing, Olajuwon or Robinson, but neither is any center in this league, even Dwight has a way to go with his broad shoulders, crazy speed/athleticism and 0 offensive game past that. Michael Jordan was seriously injured his second year in the league. He averaged 6 less points per game, and while he killed it in the play-offs against the Celts with that 63 game (though, they did lose that game, lol), people could say, “well, Michael might be hurt all the time.” Dwyane Wade was even labeled as injury ridden and done by many doubters going into last season. I am optimistic when it comes to people with good attitudes and special attributes, and I am optimistic about Greg Oden because I feel he fits this category. I think you can count the players able to handle his strength on one hand. He boxed out Carlos Boozer like he was a rag doll. When you lead a team in offensive rebounding, and they are the number 1 offensive rebounding team in the league, do people say that you are a bust? Apparently, they do. Give him time, he will be just fine and he will be major for the Blazers down the line (now I will stop my mother goosery).

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Oden wont be great…This site compared him to Rusell…that was never gonna happen

Durant came in with more calmer expatations….

[HaleParticipant]

35 ppg and losing the in the first round of the playoffs…like McGrady.

[Daprob89Participant]

We both know teams in the west were much stronger
And kobe lost in the first round for two season WOW…
But answer this question how many years did T-mac fall short in a watered down conference?
The guy can put up numbers i never said that but thats all he can do, he cant lead a team and he’s NO KOBE

[HaleParticipant]

You must be a big Kobe fan, it’s okay, that doesn’t mean your right though.

[Daprob89Participant]

When kobe didnt make it out the first round he was in a much stronger western conference…
Before the pistons the east was a fuck!n toss up anybody could have won

[billykParticipant]

What are you guys experts???? I have seen McGrady play and I have seen him SLACK off on defense for most of his career…

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

You can’t compare Oden and Durant. They’re two different players. Oden will never score points like Durant. Hell you don’t see any centers in the league scoring the amount of points like Durant. You think Oden gets injured a lot, look at Bynum. He’s been injured ever since he actually started playing games and no one said he’s a bust. Bynum played like crap during the playoffs. Of course Laker fans wouldn’t say their guys are busts thats for sure.

[HaleParticipant]

You saw he gives up 30 every night, so obviously you haven’t watched him.

[HaleParticipant]

He is no Kobe, that is correct. But Kobe wasn’t that much better if at all when T-mac was in his prime, Kobe continued to improve though and T-Mac got hurt.

[billykParticipant]

OOO ok sure…..

[Knicksboy34Participant]

let it go dude

[HaleParticipant]

You are wrong, we both know it. Most everyone who has seen this topic knows it. Give up. You have no evidence at all.

[HaleParticipant]

You are wrong, we both know it. Most everyone who has seen this topic knows it. Give up. You have no evidence at all.

[Daprob89Participant]

Actually i did watch buddy
And I remember back in the day for like 4 seasons you could compare them but kobe always had more game…
But now its just ridiculous injuries or not

[HaleParticipant]

Still no evidence of his supposed horrid defense.

[llperez]

Yeah, there were a couple years where you could compare Kobe and TMac, but Kobe always held a slight advantage in defense and a mental toughness edge, but the skills were close enough to make an argument. But now it’s not close.

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