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So Walls Not A Great Player Now?

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So Walls Not A Great Player Now?

Okay so somebody has to tell me exactly when everybody started thinking John Wall is not one of the NBA's best Point Gaurds? Maybe I've just seen him play my Raptors in the playoffs too many times where I cant get it out of my head that this guy is an amazing player that only gets better in tough situations. 26 points, 11 assists, 2 steals, 1 block in his last 20 playoff games. 20 and 10 over his past 5 years.Stuck in Washington with some of the worst ownership and management in the NBA.

So what happened exactly? Is it his contract? Or the fact that his teammates dont like him? No matter how you look at it Kyrie Irving is not better, Chris Paul is not better, Kyle Lowry is not better. This is the guy you want, right up there with the best PG's in the NBA and I cant wait for him to get traded so I can watch the narrative change on this guy. Or just wait until the Playoffs which he will make even if hes still with Washington.


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With Wall it's mostly the contract. He's in that weird spot (along with Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, and a handful of others) where he's probably worth $25-$30 mil but he's going to make $40-$45 during the declining years of his prime.

On the court, Wall has as much talent as anyone, which can be something of a curse on its own. He's as athletic as Russ by most measures, but doesn't play with the same tenacity. He has the best dimensions of any point guard considering speed and length, but doesn't always defend at a peak level. His three pointer comes and goes, making him a trickier fit than other elite guards. He also slacks off when playing off the ball, never developing any sense of cutting like Wade or spotting up like IT3 or Curry. His elite skill is diming up corner threes and rim rolling bigs, and when he doesn't have that personnel around him, he isn't nearly as effective.

A lot of teams should consider buying low, especially if they can offset some salary of their own. Wall's trade kicker makes it tricky, but I think Grunfeld will try and keep Beal and avoid a total rebuild. The Wiz are also pretty likely to make the playoffs if they keep everyone, 538 gives them a 71% chance to make it currently.

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I agree with what you said

I agree with what you said but you basically just listed all of his negative attributes in his current situation which has always been a bad situation since he entered the league and that ship has never sailed straight. Were talking about a a positive output player that produces at a higher level than 99% of the players in the league. He will be getting paid in that max range and so will the other 1% of players that perform at the same level he does. Any team without one of those players will not be competing. He is also a better player than Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, Paul George and a handful of others.

He may not show up for every regular season game but come playoffs Ill tell you something about John Wall. He makes plays that he would not be able to make in the regular season and he competes on both ends. Theres not many guys you can say that about in the NBA.

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It’s simple: if you’re an

It’s simple: if you’re an all-star level player for 5 years and don’t get to the championship game, people say you’re a piece of crap.

It’s funny because all the medium level players are allowed to be medium, but the top tier guys are treated like jerks if their slouch team doesn’t win.

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I think in Walls case you can

I think in Walls case you can say that he just hasn’t improved his game overall over the last let’s say 4-5 years. It’s not that he isn’t any good but in reality other point guards are better like Curry, Westbrook or Lillard and especially Lillard now is phenomenal now. Wall is one of the best paid players in the league, he has a trade kicker and this will/could put him into elite level payment but is he up there if you look at the best players in the league? Others are younger like Davis, Giannis or Kyrie. Wall is a prime player now and has deal with the fact, that his game hasn’t really risen and that’s all people complain about if you ask me.

Wall is very good but without the right players around him his game doesn’t make your team much better overall and the Wizards records prove that to me. He is by any means the only reason why this team is so bad but he clearly hasn’t the tools to will them through this like others do but maybe that’s just me.

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il take those three before

il take those three before wall

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The media picks and choices

The media picks and choices the narrative.

I’ve seen people label him as selfish (franchise leader in assist, but ok)

Injury prone(he’s been considerably healthy despite knee surgery a few years ago), broke his hand in the playoffs but nothing too major since 2012

His teammates hate him. He had a problem with Gortat that could have been squashed internally but now they are trying to put the bad teammate logo on him. Him and Beal are constantly having to deny rumors of hate between them when they are literally carrying this team together with 20+ each the last 3 years.

The only things that are true is that Wall has never made that leap to elite shooter and he can be a bit turnover prone but nowhere near as bad at years 1-3. I hear some crazy stuff like Stephen A Smith saying “Everyone knows John Wall is a diva” and saying “he parties too much and is out of shape”.

I mean sheesh. Will the media every criticize the management? Grunfeld has gotta go. Overpaying a back up Center in Ian Mahimi or Otto Porter who’s making 100+ mil. Or how about drafting multiple flops, poor drafting, not developing players, or putting better pieces around Wall and Beal?

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Wall had that excellent 2017

Wall had that excellent 2017 season where he put up career highs in points, assists, fg% and steals. He led Washington to the 2nd round and an extremely competitive and fun series against Isaiah thomas and the Celtics. He looked like he was finally starting to fulfill his potential and become the kind of leader and franchise cornerstone everyone thought he would be when he was drafted. Than he got his big extension the following summer and hasn’t really been the same since, even though you could argue that he’s still been really good for the most part. Anytime you sign a deal like wall did and underperform expectations, it’s bound to cause friction with teammates, and that’s not even taking into account that wall hasn’t always exhibited the best leadership qualities or commitment.

While wall is no doubt still an elite point guard, he’s just always been one of those guys that leaves you wanting more considering his immense physical gifts. But he just seems content to kind of get by on those gifts instead of really putting in the work to take his game to the next level. While he has no doubt made some improvements over the years, his skillset is still very similar to when he first came into the league and he still struggles in some of the same areas. He has only made one all-nba team in his career (3rd in 2017) and despite having seemingly all the tools to be an elite defender has never really had the consistent effort. Whether it’s fair or not, I think he has somewhat developed a reputation as an underachiever, which is actually pretty crazy when you look at his overall numbers.

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Not 1 on !

The NBA is not 1 on 1; if you're a point guard and your teamates don't like you I don't think you can be great.

I don't know if that's the reality, just an observation based on OP.

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If you tame Wall over Irving

Your a idiot. Stats are useless. I watched the Celtics beat his team often in the playoffs. Always felt Wall was overrated. His teamates feel the same.

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By "often" you mean the 1

By "often" you mean the 1 series he's played Boston in his career in 2016-17 when the Wizards lost in 7. If you want to try to make a point come correct with your facts.

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I left this one alone because

I left this one alone because it didnt make sense. Irving didnt even play in that series Thomas was there and Wall averaged like 25 and 10.

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