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  • #61917
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    Espresso
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    I think Simmons is a stud, and a true joy to watch. Like I had said previously, it’s ridiculous to have Skal above him before they played a game of college.

     

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/ben-simmons-iq

    I also mentioned that albeit him not taking any jumpers in HS, he would adjust in college similar to Andrew Wiggins.

    So far Ben hasn’t shown ANY ability to shoot the basketball and that is VERY concerning for a 1st pick overall wing player!

    Let’s talk about BS’s ability to finish at the rim, he’s a MONSTER coming at full speed and even on a drive from the perimeter, where he lacks finishing ability is when he tries to finish strong from within inside, like on a offensive rebound, on a drop off pass with one defender in front of him 1 feet from the hoop, and even off the low post. In essence, he is a great finisher as a perimeter player while lacking the inside game of a “big”. Not only that, but his wingspan doesn’t help him at all in this regard. Adding that he’s a one foot jumper, which makes him even more of a perimeter player, as big men dominate jumping off two feet.

    Right now he projects as a Giannis Antetokounmpo or Evan Turner (ouch) type of player.

    With Skal playing the way he is, hitting turnaround jumpers, sky hooks, getting 2.3 blocks a game, great mold for a PF/C hybrid, and the success of Bigs coming out of Kentucky to back him up, I think it’s fair to say that the battle between each other is closer than ever, and as much as I hate to say this I would feel more inclined to pick Skal above Simmons right at this moment.

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  • #1025553
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    Kokayne_Dawkinz
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     I think in a way Skal is the safer pick because we’ve seen guys like him succeed in the league ex; Aldrige. While Simmon game is so uniqe that it may scare some away because you never know if how his skills will translate ex Evan turner 

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    • #1025559
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      Chewy
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       Lamar Odom- 6’10, 220 pounds. Freshman at Rhode Island; 18 pts, 4 ast, 9 rebs

      Ben Simmons- 6’10, 225 pounds. Freshman at LSU; 16 pts, 5 ast, 11 rebs

      Ben Simmons is a great player. But he is NOT the first of his kind. 

      Evan Turner is only 6’7. That is a big difference. As a freshman Evan averaged 8 pts, 2 ast, 4 rebs. Clearly you can see the difference in talent from Evan to Ben/Lamar based on their freshmen year.

       

       

       

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    • #1025696
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      Chewy
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       Lamar Odom- 6’10, 220 pounds. Freshman at Rhode Island; 18 pts, 4 ast, 9 rebs

      Ben Simmons- 6’10, 225 pounds. Freshman at LSU; 16 pts, 5 ast, 11 rebs

      Ben Simmons is a great player. But he is NOT the first of his kind. 

      Evan Turner is only 6’7. That is a big difference. As a freshman Evan averaged 8 pts, 2 ast, 4 rebs. Clearly you can see the difference in talent from Evan to Ben/Lamar based on their freshmen year.

       

       

       

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  • #1025690
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    Kokayne_Dawkinz
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     I think in a way Skal is the safer pick because we’ve seen guys like him succeed in the league ex; Aldrige. While Simmon game is so uniqe that it may scare some away because you never know if how his skills will translate ex Evan turner 

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  • #1025557
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     Neither is a Porzingis level prospect, not that Porzingis was considered a Porzingis level prospect either.

    Ingram is the only one with truly dyno-mite potential.

    All three seem a little soft, but only Ingram can thrive on both ends at a soft position, SG or SF.

     

     

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    • #1025563
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       talking about potential bug me. In the UK vs Duke game, both Skal and Ingram got benched! They weren’t ready for the physicality and level of play that a game between two top ten teams brings at the college level. 

      So, we are talking about NBA potential and these two haven’t even proven that they can play at the highest level in college!

      If Ben Simmons was on either team, no way does Coach K or Coach Cal bench him (I think). 

      I know guys on here love potential. Everyone who was on the Wiggins side of the Wig vs Park debates ended up being right about Wiggins having more potential and it is showing in year two especially. 

      So can Skal or Ingram jump Simmons in the draft? Possibly. But my money is still on Simmons until one of these two young men prove it at the highest level possible in college, because they haven’t yet.

       

       

       

       

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      • #1025589
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         wiggins has a full year more of NBA experience under his belt. He was handed the keys to the offense and allowed to do whatever he wanted to develop whereas parker was on a playoff team.

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        • #1025627
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           Bucks are still in the hunt in the East. TWolves have more freedom to let Wiggins learn on the fly as the man.

          But, I was just making the point that Jabari clearly had the better freshman yr in college. That isn’t arguable, but people still believed in Wiggins potential and Wiggins has proven that the hype was warented. 

          Ben Simmons will have the best statistical year as a freshmen, but maybe all this potential talk about Skal will pan out as well.

          To summarize: With the first pick in the NBA draft, ________________ selects Ben Simmons out of LSU.

           

           

           

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          • #1025642
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            Espresso
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             Actually its quite arguable that Wiggins produced as much as Jabari or very close to it. It’s something I argued all year.

            Jabari played as the main focus on offense while Wiggins was behind Jojo. Parker also played the 4 and much closer to the basket, hence the higher RPG and even FG%, while Wiggins was asked to be a floor spacer with offensive sets like that of a Mclemore.

            SIDE NOTE: I don’t understand why sometimes people get stuck with the "he can’t shoot mentality", when 3P% and FT% are there, consistent mechanics, and the player is a threat off the dribble. Wiggins had all of this, as well as Stanley Johnson yet a big misconception was that they lacked a shot. 

             

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            • #1025792
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               I thought it was 19 ppg vs 14 ppg, when really it was 19 ppg vs 17 ppg. It was closer then I was insinuating.

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            • #1025655
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               I thought it was 19 ppg vs 14 ppg, when really it was 19 ppg vs 17 ppg. It was closer then I was insinuating.

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          • #1025779
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             Actually its quite arguable that Wiggins produced as much as Jabari or very close to it. It’s something I argued all year.

            Jabari played as the main focus on offense while Wiggins was behind Jojo. Parker also played the 4 and much closer to the basket, hence the higher RPG and even FG%, while Wiggins was asked to be a floor spacer with offensive sets like that of a Mclemore.

            SIDE NOTE: I don’t understand why sometimes people get stuck with the "he can’t shoot mentality", when 3P% and FT% are there, consistent mechanics, and the player is a threat off the dribble. Wiggins had all of this, as well as Stanley Johnson yet a big misconception was that they lacked a shot. 

             

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        • #1025763
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           Bucks are still in the hunt in the East. TWolves have more freedom to let Wiggins learn on the fly as the man.

          But, I was just making the point that Jabari clearly had the better freshman yr in college. That isn’t arguable, but people still believed in Wiggins potential and Wiggins has proven that the hype was warented. 

          Ben Simmons will have the best statistical year as a freshmen, but maybe all this potential talk about Skal will pan out as well.

          To summarize: With the first pick in the NBA draft, ________________ selects Ben Simmons out of LSU.

           

           

           

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      • #1025725
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        bumbleb33
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         wiggins has a full year more of NBA experience under his belt. He was handed the keys to the offense and allowed to do whatever he wanted to develop whereas parker was on a playoff team.

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    • #1025700
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       talking about potential bug me. In the UK vs Duke game, both Skal and Ingram got benched! They weren’t ready for the physicality and level of play that a game between two top ten teams brings at the college level. 

      So, we are talking about NBA potential and these two haven’t even proven that they can play at the highest level in college!

      If Ben Simmons was on either team, no way does Coach K or Coach Cal bench him (I think). 

      I know guys on here love potential. Everyone who was on the Wiggins side of the Wig vs Park debates ended up being right about Wiggins having more potential and it is showing in year two especially. 

      So can Skal or Ingram jump Simmons in the draft? Possibly. But my money is still on Simmons until one of these two young men prove it at the highest level possible in college, because they haven’t yet.

       

       

       

       

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  • #1025694
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    FrankStallone

     Neither is a Porzingis level prospect, not that Porzingis was considered a Porzingis level prospect either.

    Ingram is the only one with truly dyno-mite potential.

    All three seem a little soft, but only Ingram can thrive on both ends at a soft position, SG or SF.

     

     

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  • #1025635
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     "What is, the New Orleans Pelicans for $1,000, Alex?"

    The Lakers DEFINITELY take Ben Simmons.  A Showtime type guy.  They have won rings with Magic, and then to a lesser extent a 3rd/4th option Lamar Odom.

    Philly takes Ben Simmons too.

    Hey, I am not sure that Portland would take LMA 2.0 either.  They already saw that movie once…

    Brooklyn needs help everywhere so maybe they go with Skal…

    So, I can only see Brooklyn going with Skal among the really, really bad teams.

    Hard to pass up an oversized 6’10 playmaker.  

    You want shooters?  Trade for some late first round picks!

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #1025647
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       Boston owns Brooklyn’s pick. I can’t see them passing over Simmons either.

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    • #1025783
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       Boston owns Brooklyn’s pick. I can’t see them passing over Simmons either.

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  • #1025771
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     "What is, the New Orleans Pelicans for $1,000, Alex?"

    The Lakers DEFINITELY take Ben Simmons.  A Showtime type guy.  They have won rings with Magic, and then to a lesser extent a 3rd/4th option Lamar Odom.

    Philly takes Ben Simmons too.

    Hey, I am not sure that Portland would take LMA 2.0 either.  They already saw that movie once…

    Brooklyn needs help everywhere so maybe they go with Skal…

    So, I can only see Brooklyn going with Skal among the really, really bad teams.

    Hard to pass up an oversized 6’10 playmaker.  

    You want shooters?  Trade for some late first round picks!

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1025649
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     I always forget that Brooklyn doesn’t have their pick.  Ouch.  

    I think teams will look at fit.  Unless one of the top guys is CLEARLY in a league all by himself.

    But if both Skal and Ben Simmons are both Tier 1 guys then I can see positional need and fit being a major factor.

    I think Minnesota would go with Skal.  He and Towns would be great at the 4 and 5 for them.  It looks like Wiggins is their wing player with Rubio as their playmaker while the jury is still out on Zach Lavine.

    I can see a possibility where Philly ends up with BOTH Simmons and Skal.  If they get the top pick then I think they go with Ben Simmons.  Then I can see them trading other picks (notably the fifth pick) and Dario Saric and maybe even Nerlens Noel for the second pick to take Skal.  That would give them a front line of Simmons, Skal, and Okafor.  

    Dario Saric, 5, 19, and 25 might be enough to move up to 2 even without Nerlens Noel.

    I think Boston would go with whoever they have as the top TALENT with the most UPSIDE.  They have a jumbled up roster.  Lots of good players, but not GREAT ones.  I think the Celtics can reload around either guy.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1025785
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     I always forget that Brooklyn doesn’t have their pick.  Ouch.  

    I think teams will look at fit.  Unless one of the top guys is CLEARLY in a league all by himself.

    But if both Skal and Ben Simmons are both Tier 1 guys then I can see positional need and fit being a major factor.

    I think Minnesota would go with Skal.  He and Towns would be great at the 4 and 5 for them.  It looks like Wiggins is their wing player with Rubio as their playmaker while the jury is still out on Zach Lavine.

    I can see a possibility where Philly ends up with BOTH Simmons and Skal.  If they get the top pick then I think they go with Ben Simmons.  Then I can see them trading other picks (notably the fifth pick) and Dario Saric and maybe even Nerlens Noel for the second pick to take Skal.  That would give them a front line of Simmons, Skal, and Okafor.  

    Dario Saric, 5, 19, and 25 might be enough to move up to 2 even without Nerlens Noel.

    I think Boston would go with whoever they have as the top TALENT with the most UPSIDE.  They have a jumbled up roster.  Lots of good players, but not GREAT ones.  I think the Celtics can reload around either guy.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1025856
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    In terms of Ben Simmons position, I believe he is best and most naturally suited at power forward, as a "playmaking 4" or "point forward". He seems more comfortable closer to the hoop in settled sets but obviously has the handles, IQ, and vision to run the point and orchestrate the offense. Defensively, he has height and should develop enough strength to be a good post defender. He should be able to switch onto a lot of wings or straight up guard some for full games.

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    In terms of Ben Simmons position, I believe he is best and most naturally suited at power forward, as a "playmaking 4" or "point forward". He seems more comfortable closer to the hoop in settled sets but obviously has the handles, IQ, and vision to run the point and orchestrate the offense. Defensively, he has height and should develop enough strength to be a good post defender. He should be able to switch onto a lot of wings or straight up guard some for full games.

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