[valentine]

 Wow what an ugly game.  Some thoughts.

*How is it that the ball movement in a Duke-Wisconsin game (and many college baksetball games) is so fluid, whereas in the NBA so many bigtime athletes can’t dribble, make the extra pass, or hit Free Throws.

*Its really really embarassing that the Sixers, a team obviously low on NBA talent, are also the ABSOLUTE WORST Free Throw shooting team in the league.  Brett Brown needs to get knocked for that.  And the players as well, every one of them (down to Jakarr Sampson), needs to shoot 200 FTs after every practice.

*They need to make NBA for age limit 20 and above.  More players would likely go overseas to earn money and play professionally.  To counteract that, make the international professional athlete limit 21.  This way every player has at least 2 years of experience before entering the NBA, a MAN’s league.

*I’d prefer a 21 year age limit overall.  This would also do wonders for the college game.  Less players (and I blame Lebron for this), would all try to team up to win.  They’d have to be conscious about going to a team where they get playing minutes and are coached well.  Not all the beans would fall to the Kentucky-Duke-Kansas trio.  (It would be great to watch Jabari Parker and Okafor play together in college (both guys very fundamentally sound)).

*The reason for this is that watching Wiggins and Lavine, Bennett, Nerlens Noel, KJ, even MCW, its very obvious that their basketball IQ is extremely low.  The NBA is a game for Men with Man’s moves.  This is why the Europeans fit so much better, more polished, more skilled.  I’d even argue that Anthony Davis (who belongs in the NBA after 1 yr or out of high school like a Kobe, Durant, or KG), accomplished nothing being in the NBA.  These young kids are so timid, because they don’t know the game at all.  They don’t know NBA pace, NBA spacing, NBA plays, how to play savvy NBA defense, their bodies aren’t developed, they’re getting man-handled.  And there are far too many of them on too many starting rosters.  They are too afraid to be assertive because they are just learning the game.  They’d be much better off honing their skills in college.

*If NBA stays in its current state (boys that don’t know how to be assertive), there should be a veteran on every team.  I’ve said it before, but I would love to see a KG yelling at Nerlens Noel to catch a ball and DUNK WITH AUTHORITY.  Or yell at Wiggins to drive it like he’s a MAN…not pass the ball to Mo Williams and watch him go to work while on the floor.  These young kids need to watch the Vets go to work while practicing in college, or while sitting on the bench.  Wiggins has no business being in the NBA right now (he is nothing special at all).  Its not like Jason Kidd or Grant Hill who came in right away and made a true impact.  These young kids should have the time to have the moves of a Kobe or a presence of a Duncan, not be forced on the floor or so concerned with "getting their paycheck".  

*NBA players right now earn so much money, they shoudln’t be concerned with missing out on 2 or 3 years of that $$.  In fact, the NBA should just increase the rookie payscale as the players that get drafted have RIGHTFULLY earned their spot in the NBA and it makes up for time lost. 

 

Regardless, that game today was really ugly.  I do not remember a game from my childhood with so many missed shots and turnovers.  These kids don’t have the skills to make the right pass and hit an open jumper.  They also don’t have the IQ or experience to know when to be assertive.

Nerlens Noel…wow…smh.  No basketball IQ even after getting VIP coaching last year.

KJ – gets by on athleticism and a nice stroke.  He’s also an upperclassman in the NBA.

MCW – forcing shots and passes.

Jerami Grant – looked decent today.

 

The game is down throughout the league.  Savvy basketball is only played by Veteran teams that have been playing together for years.  The 18 yr old has no place in the NBA, its quality is just so bad.  

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

Wow, what a post. Agree with most of your points.

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

Wow, what a post. Agree with most of your points.

[TravelinTravParticipant]

 It’s funny how in the 90’s and maybe even early 2,00’s that spending more than 1 year in college was a good thing, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Ray Allen A.I. for example, but for some reason now days if you go more than 1 year it’s a bad thing.It shows that you have a low ceiling and a 21-22 year old rookie is considered old,and the players are pessured on the to get as many contracts from the NBA as possible, Can you really make it a rule that a grown man must go to college? I agree with a lot of the comment but I don’t want China to have better basketball than America, or do I?

[TravelinTravParticipant]

 It’s funny how in the 90’s and maybe even early 2,00’s that spending more than 1 year in college was a good thing, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Ray Allen A.I. for example, but for some reason now days if you go more than 1 year it’s a bad thing.It shows that you have a low ceiling and a 21-22 year old rookie is considered old,and the players are pessured on the to get as many contracts from the NBA as possible, Can you really make it a rule that a grown man must go to college? I agree with a lot of the comment but I don’t want China to have better basketball than America, or do I?

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 I get the age limit thing but it kind of contradicts itself because Carter Williams and McDaniels were both at least 21 by the time they were in the nba. Therefore the low basketball iq that you talk about is not affected that much by age based on what you typed. 

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 I get the age limit thing but it kind of contradicts itself because Carter Williams and McDaniels were both at least 21 by the time they were in the nba. Therefore the low basketball iq that you talk about is not affected that much by age based on what you typed. 

[phila9012Participant]

 Wiggins, lavine, bennett need to be in the NBA. Bennett could get by on talent in college. In the NBA he couldnt and had to get into shape and he had the money to pay a trainer to do so. Wiggins needs to be challenged day in and day out in practice by guys like shabazz, who isnt that good but plays and practices incredibly hard. He needs to be around professionals like Kevin Martin, who is a great shooter and works hard. Lavine has shotting coaches working with him after practice everyday, that is better than having a manager rebound for him at UCLA.

That game was ugly because the sixers had 1 guy who could handle the ball, Mbah a Moute was playing back up PG  and a bunch of D leaguers and arent trying to win. The timberwolves 3 best players are hurt. I watched the first half and that was very bad basketball being played, but it doesnt mean that they should change the age limit.

[phila9012Participant]

 Wiggins, lavine, bennett need to be in the NBA. Bennett could get by on talent in college. In the NBA he couldnt and had to get into shape and he had the money to pay a trainer to do so. Wiggins needs to be challenged day in and day out in practice by guys like shabazz, who isnt that good but plays and practices incredibly hard. He needs to be around professionals like Kevin Martin, who is a great shooter and works hard. Lavine has shotting coaches working with him after practice everyday, that is better than having a manager rebound for him at UCLA.

That game was ugly because the sixers had 1 guy who could handle the ball, Mbah a Moute was playing back up PG  and a bunch of D leaguers and arent trying to win. The timberwolves 3 best players are hurt. I watched the first half and that was very bad basketball being played, but it doesnt mean that they should change the age limit.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

 No Perk, No Rubio No Martin, The sixers suck so bad they still almsot lost.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

 No Perk, No Rubio No Martin, The sixers suck so bad they still almsot lost.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Wiggins Family Rookie Comparison:

Mitchell Wiggins (Bulls) 1983-1984: 12.4 points, 4.0 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.3 steals.  25.9 minutes.  

Andrew Wiggins (T Wolves) 2014-2015: 11.7 points, 3.6 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.2 steals.  28.6 minutes.

Close stats.  Mitchell is a tick higher in a few categories.  He also played a touch fewer minutes.

The 1983-1984 Chicago Bulls finished 27-55.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Wiggins Family Rookie Comparison:

Mitchell Wiggins (Bulls) 1983-1984: 12.4 points, 4.0 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.3 steals.  25.9 minutes.  

Andrew Wiggins (T Wolves) 2014-2015: 11.7 points, 3.6 rebounds, 1.1 assists, 1.2 steals.  28.6 minutes.

Close stats.  Mitchell is a tick higher in a few categories.  He also played a touch fewer minutes.

The 1983-1984 Chicago Bulls finished 27-55.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Yeah but Mitchell was 24, Andrew is 19. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Yeah but Mitchell was 24, Andrew is 19. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 I liked your post but disagree with the current age limit being the problem. The problem is that teams like Minnesota and Philadelphia have completely given in to this idea of building purely off of draft picks and young guys in general. Both these teams have horrible team culture right now- and I don’t mean to knock the coaching or the players’ characters- I’m just saying that you can’t expect a bunch of teenagers to steer the ship. 

Nerlens is painful to watch right now, that being said we all knew what he was and wasn’t when drafted. He’s a mobile big who is a defensive disruptor and a target for alley-oops. Since the team is tanking, they are letting him try his hand in creating his own shots. If Philly ever becomes compeitive I’m sure they will put Noel in his defined role. 

My point is, put these young guys on teams like Brooklyn or Indiana (bad teams that are veteran lead) and they will come off as valuable assets. 

 

[phila9012Participant]

 As bad as the twolves have been, their culture seems pretty positive right now. They have veteran players like KMart, Pekovic, thad, brewer, mo williams, Rubio has been playing professional basketball for 6 years now and is a good player to lead a young team. Flip saunders is a quality coach who seems to know what he is doing with these young players. If I were a young player I would much prefer to be in minnesota to develop than on either of indiana or brooklyn. It is going to be rough for minnesota this year, but they should bounce back next year and they will have added a top 5 pick.

[phila9012Participant]

 As bad as the twolves have been, their culture seems pretty positive right now. They have veteran players like KMart, Pekovic, thad, brewer, mo williams, Rubio has been playing professional basketball for 6 years now and is a good player to lead a young team. Flip saunders is a quality coach who seems to know what he is doing with these young players. If I were a young player I would much prefer to be in minnesota to develop than on either of indiana or brooklyn. It is going to be rough for minnesota this year, but they should bounce back next year and they will have added a top 5 pick.

[DolanCareParticipant]

 I liked your post but disagree with the current age limit being the problem. The problem is that teams like Minnesota and Philadelphia have completely given in to this idea of building purely off of draft picks and young guys in general. Both these teams have horrible team culture right now- and I don’t mean to knock the coaching or the players’ characters- I’m just saying that you can’t expect a bunch of teenagers to steer the ship. 

Nerlens is painful to watch right now, that being said we all knew what he was and wasn’t when drafted. He’s a mobile big who is a defensive disruptor and a target for alley-oops. Since the team is tanking, they are letting him try his hand in creating his own shots. If Philly ever becomes compeitive I’m sure they will put Noel in his defined role. 

My point is, put these young guys on teams like Brooklyn or Indiana (bad teams that are veteran lead) and they will come off as valuable assets. 

 

[thricethefunParticipant]

"How is it that the ball movement in a Duke-Wisconsin game (and many college baksetball games) is so fluid, whereas in the NBA so many bigtime athletes can’t dribble, make the extra pass, or hit Free Throws."

Um what? NBA players are pretty much better at all those things.

 

[thricethefunParticipant]

"How is it that the ball movement in a Duke-Wisconsin game (and many college baksetball games) is so fluid, whereas in the NBA so many bigtime athletes can’t dribble, make the extra pass, or hit Free Throws."

Um what? NBA players are pretty much better at all those things.

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 College basketball was better when everyone stayed three or four years.  They were real teams, and not just a bunch of shooters wearing the same uniform for one year.

NBA basketball was better when the new players were college seniors.  They were ready to play, or were coached enough in college to understand their role if they didn’t play a lot in the NBA.  Tim Duncan is what every basketball team needs, 4 years in college and someone who can be coached.

But none of that is going to happen now.  The big money, all a hyped high schooler has to do is take lots of shots in 10 to 20 college games and get into the lottery, and then keep the idea of potential long enough to sign a big NBA extension.

With the new NBA commissioner and his craze about money, like sponsorship on the NBA uniforms, he won’t do anything to help the game.  An age limit would be great, fewer Kwame Brown picks high in the lottery.  

Obviously right about free throws.  MCW 64.5%.  Noel 40.6%.  Wroten 63%.  Prince Luc 57.7%.  KC 73.8%.

In a close game in the final seconds, the 76ers need Shved with the ball, 84.1% on free throws.

 

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 College basketball was better when everyone stayed three or four years.  They were real teams, and not just a bunch of shooters wearing the same uniform for one year.

NBA basketball was better when the new players were college seniors.  They were ready to play, or were coached enough in college to understand their role if they didn’t play a lot in the NBA.  Tim Duncan is what every basketball team needs, 4 years in college and someone who can be coached.

But none of that is going to happen now.  The big money, all a hyped high schooler has to do is take lots of shots in 10 to 20 college games and get into the lottery, and then keep the idea of potential long enough to sign a big NBA extension.

With the new NBA commissioner and his craze about money, like sponsorship on the NBA uniforms, he won’t do anything to help the game.  An age limit would be great, fewer Kwame Brown picks high in the lottery.  

Obviously right about free throws.  MCW 64.5%.  Noel 40.6%.  Wroten 63%.  Prince Luc 57.7%.  KC 73.8%.

In a close game in the final seconds, the 76ers need Shved with the ball, 84.1% on free throws.

 

 

 

 

 

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