Serious Cav's trade were they don't get charged for robbery

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Serious Cav's trade were they don't get charged for robbery

These are reasonable offers,IMO, that offer both teams talent and flexibility. The Nuggets get young cheap similar talent and flexibility and the Cav's get a proven rim protector with a lot of upside that could grow with their young core and anchor Mike Brown's defense.

Cav's: JaVale McGee, Jordan Hamilton, 27th pick

Nuggets: No.1 pick, Tyler Zeller, CJ Miles, 31rst, 33rd and Sacramento top 12(2014) top 10 (2015-2016)

The reasoning........( I am a Cav's fan but I believe this is way less biased than L.A or Love trade scenarios that seem to be posted here daily).
The Nuggets can keep there core together outside of McGee. Lawson's 11 million a season extention kicks in next year and Iggy will either sign his 16 million dollar player option or sign for something like 48 over 4, if a deal isn't pre-worked out like Jefferson's a couple years ago with San Antonio then he will opt in. McGee only plays 22 minutes a game anyway. Kufous is signed at 2 more years 6 million. Mozgov could be locked up to a similar deal, but he seems out of favor and was reportedly always on the trade block. Noel once he recovers would be an excellent running mate with this up and down team led by Lawson. Tyler Zeller is a excellent floor runner and could log a 12 to 18 quality minutes a game playing next to Faried, who could mask his lack of aggressiveness. More importantly this gives the Nuggets enough money to also resign Cory Brewer who was excellent for them this year. CJ Miles is a throw in but at 2 million and possessing a pretty good three point stroke ( a much needed skill for the Nuggets especially). The second round picks provide the Nuggets with roster fillers with none guaranteed contracts. They could see who slips like a Deshawn Thomas or Lorenzo Brown or deal the picks for future considerations. I doubt they pick a better prospect than Quincy Miller or Jordan Hamilton an dthey couldn't wiff the court the last year.

The second trade is

Cav's; Batum, 39th and 40th picks

Portland; No.1, 31rst, 33rd Zeller and Miles plus a future one.

Portland gets Zeller who would be a perfect compliment to Leonard. Leonard has size, strength and is a banger, Zeller is a runner and skill guy with post moves and a nice 16 foot jump shot. He is soft but Meyers makes up for it. They could go for Noel and he could provide a defensive shot blocking presence that works really well with L.A. Or they go for McLemore, who can provide the dynamic shooting guard they have been reportedly coveting for years. They really like Wes Matthews but McLemore gives them a future at the position and he wouldn't even have to start out the gate. The Cav's could include a top 6 protected pick or give Portland the right to swap picks next year if we are both in the lottery. This also gives Portland enough cap space to screw with Minny and offer Pek 12+ million a season and force them to match much like Minny did with Batum last season.

These trades in my opinion allows for those teams to continue winning while getting younger at the same time plus fill needs. It gives the Cav's a veteran that is already at the potential of the guy they could pick with the first pick. Otto Porter's potential if its maxed is Batum and Noel's is McGee. Cav's get to win more instantly and Portland or Minny don't lose more while saving money and gaining young talents. For the Cav's this isn't a forced step trying to buy your way into instant contention and for the other teams it isn't a cash dump salary move. The Cav's get player at their market value and the others get players on rookie deals that they control for 4 to 5 years. This deal didn't even include swapping Portland's 10th pick for Cleveland's 19th.

Personally I think the McGee deal is better

KI-Livingston?
Waiters-Ellington?
Gee-(Miles?)-(Tony Snell/Giannis?)
Varejao/Thompson
McGee-(Adams/Deng?), Great front court trio

If no deal then I say they throw 10 million a season at Tiago Splitter. There is no way the Spurs match that knowing next year somebody will throw 12 to 15 and try to overpay Kawhi Leonard. Splitter will be the next Omer Asik. A guy everyone,I mean everyone, thought got overpaid but turns out is underpaid.


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Cleveland

Spurs, Knicks, Bulls, Lakers, Bobcats, Suns.... CAVS? nahhh Cav's... Why not throw in an apostrophe for the hell of it.

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that first trade is

that first trade is horrible...the Cavs are giving up WAYY too much for freaking javale mcgee and jordan hamilton.

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Yeah, that trade proposal

Yeah, that trade proposal just gave me a nose bleed....

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I agree the Cavs are giving

I agree the Cavs are giving up to much but I think that's what it takes nowadays. Harden just screwed it up for bad teams looking to acquire guys who could be potential borderline All Star snubs and up. Barnes is the exception, the fact that guys like Lamb, PJ3, Mountijunas (Houston), Thomas Robinson, Terrance Jones shows rookies can't get on the court on a team with solid vets that plan on contending. Even on bad teams guys sit on the oak like Ross, Henson, Marshall, Rivers. We are .Netter posters we overvalue youth and potential at every turn. We can't help it.

Besides part of the point was that all Cav's trades have been lopsided on here lately. Plus you have to overpay for someone to give up a reasonably priced player they like and wouldn't otherwise want to move.

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Wow the nuggets make out like

Wow the nuggets make out like thieves; maybe the cavs can get more picks cheap like alot of teams did in 2010 so no need to get hasty

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No

Just... No. Cavs slightly lose in the Portland trade, but that Nuggets trade is AWFUL. I mean I know you're not joking but they might as well trade Kyrie Irving and their next 5 first rounders for Ryan Hollins and $3 million.

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The point is that McGee is 25

The point is that McGee is 25 (20 PER) and Batum is 24. Why would there current team want to trade them if they don't get a good deal. Second is Cleveland reportedly offered the same deal Minny did for Batum that he eventually signed. Plus in the next 3 seasons Porter won't be better than Batum and Noel won't be better than McGee.

If its so ridiclous then what about the pick for McGee or Batum straight up or the above deals for Kawhi Leonard.

Both of those guys are in the best 15 for their position on offense and defense. Maybe top ten.

I would have gave up the same thing for LARRY SANDERS but I personally thought that there is no way the Bucks go for it. I bet no GM in the League would trade the Cav's whole draft plus Tyler Zeller for LARRY SANDERS.

The Cav's have first round picks on deck for years to come. No more than 4 second rounders in this draft will play more than 100 minutes in the NBA next season.

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Wow, you don't have much

Wow, you don't have much confidence in this draft. You're basically saying that there is no player in this draft who will be better than an above average, quality starter, which is what McGee and Batum are. Actually, you're valuing the #1 pick at less than that because you want to throw Zeller in there, which is an absolute insult to him.

I know you were trying to be serious, but other than the fact that you didn't throw in a bunch of random star players, these trades are two of the worst I've seen in a while

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I cried seeing the first

I cried seeing the first trade.

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lmao. insult other peoples trades?

Then propose the worst traded yet?You call this a weak draft but think Denver or Portland are giving up rotation players or scrubs? I mean, I like Zeller, but nobody is giving up McGee or Batum for him.

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I would rather take a chance

I would rather take a chance on Noel than trading the pick for Javale freaking Magee! Jordan Hamilton isn't all that good he barely got picked in the first round of the weak 2011 draft. The second trade is more reasonable but I'd still have a hard time thinking about pulling the trigger. Batum is solid but he doesn't fit imo.

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