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- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 3:44pm #6386
Michael.S.Participantwhat will they regret????
passing up one of the best passers in decades, Ricky Rubio fell into their laps and it was a dream pick for them and they passed on him…… For Who? Tyreke Evans , a player that will never ever ever play point guard and theres no way he is a point guard at any level , he is a scorer ,and IMO in the NBA he wont even be a top tier scorer…….Kings will regret this trust me
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 3:47pm #180095
Knicksboy34ParticipantNope, they wont. I think Evans will be a good pg.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 3:52pm #180100
Michael.S.Participanta good pg because he is a sg now way in hell he is a pg anywhere, or anytime he is a scorer
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 3:53pm #180102
Knicksboy34ParticipantI think giving him a shot is best.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 3:54pm #180104
king_til_i_die23ParticipantIts not that Tyreke is a bad player, but the kings needed a passer. They have so many cutters already
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 3:58pm #180107
fowlkes24Participantwhy do people like him… his form is retarted and he cant shoot….he’s skinny as hell…not really athletic…can pass but sooo can a lot of players…he also cant play defense..
tyreke on the other hand can pass..shot’s improving… and has the make up to be a star
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 3:58pm #180108
Knicksboy34ParticipantHe could be like D-wade
Start as a PG and when they find a better one, switch him to SG
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:00pm #180110
BasketballGuru24ParticipantEvans Is HAving A Great Game Against GSW……..Double Double !! No Doubt He Gonna Be A Prolific Scorer
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:00pm #180111
Michael.S.Participantbut there best player is a sg kevin martin, if they drafted rubio they wouldnt have to find a better one
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:02pm #180113
king_til_i_die23Participantyou have the right idea, if they move Tyreke to SG and find a good PG what happens to K-mart?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:04pm #180114
Michael.S.Participantnow i know u know absolutely nothing about basketball if thats what u think.
none of that makes sense Tyreke Evans mechanics are just as bad as rubio, and players with the court vision Rubio has come around maybe once a decade its uncanny, and he is a great defender
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:04pm #180115
gatorheelsParticipantEvans is simply better than Rubio…that was an easy decision for the Kings to make….like I said before the TWolves were hoping Evans fell to them in the draft
Evans needs to work on his passing skills yes but, he is a PG. He has excellent size, court vision, ball handling ability, & he proved he could play that position in college. Watch some games before you say he is a SG..please.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:07pm #180117
king_til_i_die23ParticipantTyreke did play PG almost all season in college but he didnt pass the ball, he drove the lane. He showed more SG skills than PG skills, thats why espn had him marked as a SG not a PG.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:09pm #180118
gatorheelsParticipantNot really. The Kings drafted him to be a PG….that is pretty simple to see. He ran the offense at Memphis to near perfection. He lead Memphis to over 30 wins again with not near as much help as Derrick Rose had. ESPN doesn’t know sh*t
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:11pm #180121
king_til_i_die23Participantsacramento drafted him to play PG and he did lead Memphis with little help. I hope your right, but i just dont see it yet
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:11pm #180122
Michael.S.Participantcome on , if u try to make a player something he obviously is not( a point guard) and put him that position u are basically wasting his talent, and taking away what he does best and brings to the game and for Tyreke thats scoring.
why are u denying that???????
and theres no way he is a better point guard than Rubio, better scorer yes
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:16pm #180126
gatorheelsParticipantHe isn’t a better passer than Rubio I will give u that. However, Evans does everything else just as well as Rubio if not better. Evans would destroy Rubio one on one I know that for a fact.
mikenike…He has already proved he is a PG. Why can’t u see that. You act like PGs aren’t supposed to score. I understand Evans has to become a better passer which he will do with experience.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:17pm #180127
gatorheelsParticipantThe fact that Evans can score is a great thing…u think Rubio will able to score on the nba level? hell no
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:22pm #180131
Michael.S.Participantif Rubio develops his shot, along with being 6’5 and being a great driving point guard dont u think he can average around 15 ppg in his prime ?and evans can average 20 plus ppg , and yes if a point guard gives u anything over 15 ppg that is a plus
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:22pm #180132
fowlkes24Participantyour acting like rubio is the second coming……tyreke will be the better player and tyreke’s mechanics maybe as bad ass rubio but his shot is nearly impossible to block ……rubio also is a prima donna
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:34pm #180141
BasketballGuru24ParticipantTrade Kevin Martin For Kirk Hinrich……The Salaries Work Out And Its A Positive Step For Both Teams
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:36pm #180143
king_til_i_die23Participantthe kings value Kevin Martin way more than the Bulls value Kirk Hinrich
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:36pm #180144
gatorheelsParticipantI don’t know about that. I would rather have Martin anyday. Seems like a great trade for the Bulls. Kings would be suffering though.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:38pm #180146
Michael.S.ParticipantWOW are u kidding me who in their right mind would trade their best player because of a rookie( unless he was really really great ) for KIRK HINRICH
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:50pm #180154
boffacheeriosParticipantmikenikes just mad because his brother was the one tyrekes cousin shot in the driveby.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 4:54pm #180155
Michael.S.ParticipantSTFU, thats real classy
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 5:06pm #180158
WillGSWwin1championshipinmylifeParticipantAs a warriors fan I remember when we tried to make a young athletic combo guard into a PG. This guard was 6-4/6-5, played 1 year in college for Saint Louis in Conference USA, Led his team into NCAA, and averaged 21 per game. Like Evans he was a combo guard, top 10 pick, whose offense was revolved around him. Like Evans he was more of a slasher than a jump shooter. Like Evans they were solid athletes and project into good defenders. This player is Larry Hughes. Evans may have a better first step but Larry Hughes had and probably still has a higher vertical. Hughes jumper developed (Ok 3 pointer now but really no mid-range jumper or game) and he never became a point guard. He was able to average more than 2 steals per game when he was a Wizard. Evans ugly form will be difficult to develop, as is it needs more arc. If he chooses to get more arc with his still the shot will take longer and be slower to be released. So he is stuck. He can change his shot and reconstruct if from scratch (doubtful) Or work as is and always be flat (more likely). The only chance he has is that first step, is it really as good as a Rondo or Parker because or else he is likely a 37-41% shooter from the field and every defender will play off him. He also is not a PG and a good team will always need a facilitator to play with him. Sure he can be a starting point guard on a losing team (want to check the Warriors records with Larry Hughes starting for us) and for sure he can play the point in a pinch, but if I were a Kings fan I would not think of him as my long term PG. Just a solid pro like Larry Hughes is. By the way you would think that if Kings Management saw him as their PG of the future they would not start Jerel McNeal in summer league games along with him
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 5:09pm #180161
gatorheelsParticipantUmmm…McNeal is definitely not a PG so I don’t understand what u are trying to say
Evans isn’t like Larry Hughes.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 5:09pm #180162
Knicksboy34ParticipantRicky Rubio will have such have a big learning curve in the NBA.
He maybe Luke Ridinour….
0- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 5:46pm #180175
AreopogusParticipantI’m joining in late on the conversation, but Rubio is going to be a stud, i’m sorry. Had I not seen the way he torched team USA with a broken wrist I wouldn’t say this. He proved, at the age of like 18, that he could go against the best SUPERSTARS currently in the NBA. He played against the Kobe’s, LeBron’s, and Wade’s of the world and did a VERY good job at outsmarting them in dishing out the ball.
Learning to become a better shooter happens to everyone in the NBA. Learning to have court vision and how and when to pass…well you can’t teach that. To be compared to Pete Maravich in terms of your abilities to pass is one of the greatest compliments any PG could receive.
Tyreke just has bust written all over him to me. I’m sorry. I think when we look back at it 5 years from now we will be talking about how the teams passed up on Rubio, who at the time (depending on when he comes over here) could be the best point guard in the league.
If you can make Dwyane Wade say, after seeing you play just once, that you are a stud and are going to be a heck of a pro, then I think I draft that guy because he actually played against him in his prime….
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- Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 5:58pm #180177
gatorheelsParticipantRubio is a good player no doubt. I just don’t see how people can say Evans was a bad pick though. I mean he is a good defender & can guard multiple positions. He has excellent size for his position. Very physical, will have no trouble scoring.
Once he improves his passing, vision, & jumpshot Tyreke is going to be special. I really believe he will be a very good pro.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 6:00pm #180178
Michael.S.Participantand i believe he was younger than 18 but i think tyreke will be a good SG not a pg he is a scorer thats great at getting in the lane
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 6:44pm #180187
JoeWolf1Sacramento needs help now, Rubio snubbed his workout in Sacramento, and it was looking like he was going to pull the same thing if the Kings drafted him that he is doing now in Minnesota. Yes, Rubio could be a real special player someday, but the Kings need someone ready to play now, not possibly in two years, or not someone who is going to jerk them around so he can pick which city he plays in,…and Tyreke Evans dropped 25 and 10 in tonight’s summer league game while at the moment Rubio says he may play two more years in Spain
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 7:35pm #180194
spencerishawesomeForget Rubio… I wanted the guy as much as anyone, but if someone is too coward to do a workout then I don’t want them on my team.
You don’t need an assist-crazy PG to win in the NBA. As long as he protects the ball, gets the ball to the bigs down low and let the offense run through them, and use his good first step/drive to get to the hoop and dish or score he will be fine as a PG. He’ll be an excellent defender that can gaurd the 1,2, and many 3’s without there being any noticeable mismatch.
At the time of the pick I hated it. Now I think the only other player I maybe would have wanted there would be Flynn.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 11:13pm #180204
praimalParticipanti´m kind of mad with kings,if they pick rubio i´m sure he´s going to be playing at nba this year,and yes,they´re going to regret,and not in a few years but in a few months when ricky plays the euro national championship and minny have lot of teams offering for ricky someone way better than tyreke.being a good gm is not about making the safe move.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/11/2009 - 11:41pm #180206
MattissickParticipanthaha Rubio is going to be a bust. He is skinny and has no scoring ability or on-ball defense skills. Evans might not be a good point guard but at least he’ll be a decent player
0 - Posted on: Sun, 07/12/2009 - 3:52am #180216
pointguardfunParticipanthe doesn’t have the body and the ideal speed, but have you seen rubio in the olympics? he’s so pesky and caused A LOT of to’s and steals. he led the spanish league in steals and pressured j.kidd, d-will and paul on the backcourt during the gold medal game. he’s an exceptional passer, steals the ball, and be a little more dirty, he can be a poorman’s john stockton. just sayin’
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 8:02am #180724
d-grizzlyParticipantsome king fans should chill out and watch some of the summer league games. he did pretty well against GS….
just sounds like a bunch of random aimless whiners with no faith in their team. put on your big boy diapers and start hoping for your team.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 8:43am #180741
d-grizzlyParticipantyou should chill out dude. i ranted for weeks that thabeet was not to be the choice. that we had a huge hole at the 4. that we needed more bench help. well…memphis made room for center minutes for thabeet. we picked up a 4. and the bench looks much better than last years…plus we have a load of cap. – memphis
Back to sacramento….i think you make the assumption your team will suffer because of a lack at PG???? think about their health..if everybody there is healthy…they’ll definitly win 7-12 more games than last year.
jesus dude..think before you speak…they have evans to start at PG..with beno and sergio to back him…now from a possibility about beno last year…he didn’t get along with nat…and didn’t like the system…what if he likes westfalls system? Sergio could also revive his career.
it’s not like rubio has proven jack$hit on an nba court anyway… plus johny wall is the 1st pick in next years draft…easily…
I think you should rethink alot of things, pay more attenion, and continue to route for your team who you believe is in so much trouble.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 8:56am #180745
rtbtParticipantFirst, I want to agree with all those guys who said T. Evans is not a point guard. Creating a point guard out of a shooting guard is usually an experiment that fails. Having said that, I think T. Evans will turn into a very good SG. In that regard, I think Sacramento made the right choice.
Second, I think B. Udrich will have a much better season than people think. Being an NBA point guard on the worst team in the league is a nightmare I wouldn’t want to experience. Who are you going to pass the ball to? Udrich isn’t all star material but he’s much better than people think.
Third, Rubio is still an unknown. He might turn into a super star some day or he might be a bust. One thing we know for sure, he’s only 18 years old and he has a long way to go before he can become a top flight NBA point guard. So if the Kings took Rubio and if he decided to play for them, Rubio would be a long term project.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:01am #180746
gatorheelsParticipantPeople that say Evans is a SG need to watch some games. He played PG in college and did an excellent job. He is playing PG in summer league and is ballin. He worked out against PGs in predraft workouts which tells me he is a PG. The Kings obviously drafted him to be a PG. I am just baffled why everyone thinks Evans is a SG. Shooting guards shoot. Shooting guards stand around the perimeter and run off screens. Evans doesn’t do that. He is a floor leader.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:06am #180755
d-grizzlyParticipantit’s the hate on him. look at wade, he got a lot of $hit as he came into the league. the heat had eddie jones and they drafted wade. Not bad on how it all turned out..ya know?
i just wish some of these faithless fans put more support into their teams…cause it eventually all works out anyway.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:12am #180758
rtbtParticipantGatorheels and I agree and disagree about Evans. Yes he played the point the last third of the season at Memphis and did a very good job. Where we disagree about Evans is his role. In my opinion, Evans is a scorer first and a passer second. I personally like point guards who pass first yet have the ability to score and keep the defense honest.
To answer GathorHeels question, a SG is someone who looks to score first. I don’t think it’s simply a matter of a style where a guy comes off screens and therefore he’s a SG. It seems as if a lot of people think T. Evan has a scorer’s mentality.
This isn’t a right or wrong issue because there are some points guards who shoot a lot and do a very good job. That works for some teams but not mine. I want a PG who passes first and looks to score at opportune times. Maybe I’m wrong and Evans will succeed at PG, but I have my doubts. I think in the end the Kings will use him far more at the SG .
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:13am #180763
billykParticipantEvans played PG in college because he is clueless when he doesnt have the ball in his hands….
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:15am #180765
gatorheelsParticipantThe players Evans was surrounded by at Memphis were not good scorers. He had to have a scorers mentality. The same goes for the Kings summer league team.
Playing alongside Martin will take pressure of Evans and allow him to pass more.
Evans can pass he just has to get better at it which is possible u know. He already has good ball handling skills.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:15am #180766
d-grizzlyParticipantto me, there are 2-3 pass first super/all stars in todays game.
kidd and nash are pass first. next players like d-will and paul..but they like to shoot a lot..
evans looks like a SG because of his size and his ability to score…but the guy is going to be given a great opportunity to run the team..and make important decisions. With his driving ability…he is going to make it easy to pass to an open Kevin martin at the 3pt line…or find hawes or thompson under the basket much easier. I don’t think people think these things through enough.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:20am #180770
rtbtParticipantGatorheels believes Evans will become a better passer when he plays with the Kings. That should be interesting and maybe he’s right. However, more of than than not, history proved that guys who had a scorer’s mentality didn’t make very good point guards, but they were extremely valuable as a SG.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:27am #180775
J-CHRISTOSParticipantThe best passing guard in decades come on,70’s Magic Johnson Zeke Thomas,80’s John Stockton Mark Jackson ,90’s Steve Nash,2000’s Chris Paul Deron Williams,so you are tellings me he’s better than these guys,don’t get caught up in the hype
0 - Posted on: Mon, 07/13/2009 - 9:27am #180776
rtbtParticipantd-grizzly painted an interesting scenario whereby he thinks T. Evans will evolve into a good PG for the Kings. That might happen but once again, history has proven that usually doesn’t work with scorers.
The best point guards are the guys who set up their teammates, run / organize the offense, and execute under pressure. In essence, they make the players around them better and put them in a position to win. Guys who have a scoring mentality are very valuable but they usually don’t have the PG attributes I described in the beginning of this paragraph. Maybe T. Evans can do that, but he’ll have to prove it to his coach and the other players.
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