[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 (in my best Chris Webber voice)

Lets talk about this Rondo situation for a minute guys. Curious to hear what is your opinion on whats been going on with Rondo and the Mavs? What’s going to happen with Rajon Rondo? What’s the best move for his career at this point?

Let me just start off by saying that I am a Rondo fan. He’s had some of the most remarkable stat line games I’ve seen. His court awareness was always on of my  favorites in the league and the way he causes havoc on defense made him such a fun guy to watch, especially playoff time.

 When Dallas made that trade, it was pretty huge and I think the Mavs were looking for it all to come together as the season progressed. But Carlisle and Rondo have "communication issues" (aka stubborn MFers). To Carlisle’s credit, the Mavs WERE looking better with him not in the lineup. Then you have Rondo not speaking to the media last night (which was probably the right move on his part). So I guess we can assume that the Rondo experiment in Dallas hasn’t worked out and he’ll look for a new team. But who??

Does he really fit on the Lakers as it’s been suggested? Personally, Im not sure. I still think LA is rebuilding and should continue to develope younger talent but it’s LaLa land and they want results yesterday. So they’ll probably try to throw big money at Free Agents that shouldn’t get that money. Still, they have Jordan Clarkson, who I liked a lot this year and they can keep him for very cheap and let him develop rather than throw big money.

Sacramento? That’s been a possibility thrown out there. Not sure how’d he feel about playing with this team as they’re still growing and relatively young but it doesn’t seem too bad for him.

I wanna hear your thoughts on Rondo. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 A triple double with Boston before the trade. I agree with Shaq Rondo needs to do his thing and not look to the bench every play for direction or plays. Dallas coaching philosophy does not play to his strengths. He does not attack the hoop the same and his ft% is disgraceful but i guarantee he has success and puts up triple double stats on a different team. He does not fit with that teams system at all. Shaq nailed it last night when he said Rondo should not be lookinv over to the bench all the time for play calls.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 A triple double with Boston before the trade. I agree with Shaq Rondo needs to do his thing and not look to the bench every play for direction or plays. Dallas coaching philosophy does not play to his strengths. He does not attack the hoop the same and his ft% is disgraceful but i guarantee he has success and puts up triple double stats on a different team. He does not fit with that teams system at all. Shaq nailed it last night when he said Rondo should not be lookinv over to the bench all the time for play calls.

[omphalosParticipant]

 Dude was my favourite player for a long time, I was always trying to see a way that the Celtics could rebuild around him.

But after his ACL injury it was pretty much over.

I first thought he was just slacking off in Boston because the team was so bad, but it seems like his loss of quickness is genuine and probably permanent.

Its no surprise he clashed with Carlisle given his old head coach let him call whatever plays he wanted.

A coach willing to give him responsibility with enough talent around him would be ideal.

He hasn’t earned a max deal as far as I’m concerned, nor should he, he’s only as good as the players around him as a pass-first guy.

Dare I suggest Phoenix as a possible destination?

The Clippers if Chris Paul moves on after another failed season?

The Kings also make sense, but so do the Rockets, Detroit or any number of team.

The problem is that there isnt much demand for an ageing PG who has lost his driving game, isn’t a great shooter and likes to pound the rock.

He’ll probably end up in LA – which sickens me obviously.

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Many are saying Monroe to the Knicks is a done deal. I don’t know if that’s the case, but I like the the combo of the Rondo and Monroe in the triangle. They’d need someone else to complete that triangle though because the Knocks are bad. 

[cargathusParticipant]

 If you put rondo and monroe in the triangle you have 2/3 of the "triangle" offense that can’t shoot past 10 feet. That wouldn’t work at all. At the minimum you need 2 multifaceted offensive players (can postup/pass, slash, and/or shoot) with a shooter. This was how the Kobe/Pau/Fisher, Jordan/Pippen/Kerr offenses played out. Now Monroe is a great passer but you stick him with Rondo and your spacing is entirely off. But then again its New York and the Eastern conference so I guess these two would make them better somehow…

[cargathusParticipant]

 If you put rondo and monroe in the triangle you have 2/3 of the "triangle" offense that can’t shoot past 10 feet. That wouldn’t work at all. At the minimum you need 2 multifaceted offensive players (can postup/pass, slash, and/or shoot) with a shooter. This was how the Kobe/Pau/Fisher, Jordan/Pippen/Kerr offenses played out. Now Monroe is a great passer but you stick him with Rondo and your spacing is entirely off. But then again its New York and the Eastern conference so I guess these two would make them better somehow…

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Many are saying Monroe to the Knicks is a done deal. I don’t know if that’s the case, but I like the the combo of the Rondo and Monroe in the triangle. They’d need someone else to complete that triangle though because the Knocks are bad. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

Detroit has Reggie Jackson who they plan to resign next season. I don’t think Rondo fits a pressing need for Detroit and I think he would clash with SVG worse than Carlisle. I don’t care if he goes to LA. Not much of a factor anymore after his injury IMO. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

Detroit has Reggie Jackson who they plan to resign next season. I don’t think Rondo fits a pressing need for Detroit and I think he would clash with SVG worse than Carlisle. I don’t care if he goes to LA. Not much of a factor anymore after his injury IMO. 

[omphalosParticipant]

 Dude was my favourite player for a long time, I was always trying to see a way that the Celtics could rebuild around him.

But after his ACL injury it was pretty much over.

I first thought he was just slacking off in Boston because the team was so bad, but it seems like his loss of quickness is genuine and probably permanent.

Its no surprise he clashed with Carlisle given his old head coach let him call whatever plays he wanted.

A coach willing to give him responsibility with enough talent around him would be ideal.

He hasn’t earned a max deal as far as I’m concerned, nor should he, he’s only as good as the players around him as a pass-first guy.

Dare I suggest Phoenix as a possible destination?

The Clippers if Chris Paul moves on after another failed season?

The Kings also make sense, but so do the Rockets, Detroit or any number of team.

The problem is that there isnt much demand for an ageing PG who has lost his driving game, isn’t a great shooter and likes to pound the rock.

He’ll probably end up in LA – which sickens me obviously.

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 Hmmm interesting point of views. 

Phoenix would be interesting (Probably bring Brandon Knight to Dallas since that guy’s been around like a Kardashian at all-star weekend). But man, Clippers with Doc Rivers and Rondo? That’ll be the best drama out in LA hahah.

But I think you guys both nailed it. This Dallas system isnt going to work for him. Although, I see the first post still seeing him as a potential triple threat machine but the other one sees Rondo on the downside. Injuries aside, would you still consider Rondo a top 15 PG? top 10?

 

 

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 Hmmm interesting point of views. 

Phoenix would be interesting (Probably bring Brandon Knight to Dallas since that guy’s been around like a Kardashian at all-star weekend). But man, Clippers with Doc Rivers and Rondo? That’ll be the best drama out in LA hahah.

But I think you guys both nailed it. This Dallas system isnt going to work for him. Although, I see the first post still seeing him as a potential triple threat machine but the other one sees Rondo on the downside. Injuries aside, would you still consider Rondo a top 15 PG? top 10?

 

 

 

[BostonCs FanParticipant]

I enjoyed seeing Rondo play and I appreciate his services and what he has brought to the city of Boston. He’s a unique type of player and it always astonished me how a player who can’t score at will, shoot, and was known as a headache was able to excel and put up some of the most ridiculous stat lines I ever seen. It’s already written Rondo is as good as gone and his career might be in jeopardy. The league has seen a blossom of talent young point guards with the past 5 years and the market for a point guard is at an all time low in my eyes. I see rondo starting for a few teams such as Houston, LA, Sacramento, NY, but teams would be foolish to offer him the max. Rondo is a system type player and there is no way he derserves a max deal. I’m in the belief max deals should only be given to franchise type players and rondo is far from that.  

[BostonCs FanParticipant]

I enjoyed seeing Rondo play and I appreciate his services and what he has brought to the city of Boston. He’s a unique type of player and it always astonished me how a player who can’t score at will, shoot, and was known as a headache was able to excel and put up some of the most ridiculous stat lines I ever seen. It’s already written Rondo is as good as gone and his career might be in jeopardy. The league has seen a blossom of talent young point guards with the past 5 years and the market for a point guard is at an all time low in my eyes. I see rondo starting for a few teams such as Houston, LA, Sacramento, NY, but teams would be foolish to offer him the max. Rondo is a system type player and there is no way he derserves a max deal. I’m in the belief max deals should only be given to franchise type players and rondo is far from that.  

[mgreener_34Participant]

 The Rondo situation isn’t all that deep rooted, and can be seen almost every game why it doesn’t work. One game I watched this year had Dirk set a high pick for rondo on the arc. Dirk faded out to the corner, Rondo went to the center where he passed to a cutting Monta Ellis. Rondo’s man instantly left Rondo at the top of the arc, and proceeded to collapse on Monta. Monta isn’t dumb, he’s sees this, but what’s he going to do? Pass to Rondo at the top of the three point line? Or take a contested floater over two defenders? Monta took the floater. Rondo just doesn’t work in a system that has a center who can’t do anything on offense, and a SG who’s game is predicated on slashing and driving. It’s why the Mav’s are just so much better when Devin Harris is in the game, because he can still push the pace if needed, but also because he has the ability to be a scoring threat. 

Rondo was effective in Boston because they had great spacing, and great continuity. The Mavs just don’t have that with Rondo. PHX wouldn’t be a bad option because they always have shooters on the floor, but I don’t think that would be an ideal landing spot. A team like ATL would be ideal, but again, I can’t see that happening. His best chance of being on a good team would probably be Sac, because they would then have some semblence of an identity in that they just need some shooters around Rondo/Cousins. I could see a lineup of Rondo/McLemore/Caspi/Gay/Cousins working very well in a George Carl system. He brought in verteran PG Miller, and has coached some of the best PG’s in the NBA over the years. This lineup would delegate Collison and Thompson to the bench, and would just make the Kings a deeper team. And really, the kings aren’t as bad as their record shows. They were 11-13 under Malone, and Ty Corbins bumm *** coached them to a 7-21 record. They can def. do better.  

[tuck243Participant]

"Rondo just doesn’t work in a system that has a center who can’t do anything on offense" Ummmm…  Kendrick Perkins?

Truthfully the issue is Rondo was allowed to do his thing with the Celtics and he could orchestrate the offense.  Still…we have to remember that Celtics team was in the East AND they only won 1 championship.  

I mention this before with Rubio, it’s hard to have a Point Guard on your team that can’t shoot (In today’s NBA).   The thing about Rondo is he’s a great defender and rebounder.   Both Rubio and Rondo are a weak link on your team if they’re in a system where they can’t dominate the ball. The Mavs was a terrible fit for Rondo and I said that to a friend who LOVED it at the time.  I hope Phil doesn’t snag him if he still wants to run the triangle…

 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

"Rondo just doesn’t work in a system that has a center who can’t do anything on offense" Ummmm…  Kendrick Perkins?

Truthfully the issue is Rondo was allowed to do his thing with the Celtics and he could orchestrate the offense.  Still…we have to remember that Celtics team was in the East AND they only won 1 championship.  

I mention this before with Rubio, it’s hard to have a Point Guard on your team that can’t shoot (In today’s NBA).   The thing about Rondo is he’s a great defender and rebounder.   Both Rubio and Rondo are a weak link on your team if they’re in a system where they can’t dominate the ball. The Mavs was a terrible fit for Rondo and I said that to a friend who LOVED it at the time.  I hope Phil doesn’t snag him if he still wants to run the triangle…

 

 

 

 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 The Rondo situation isn’t all that deep rooted, and can be seen almost every game why it doesn’t work. One game I watched this year had Dirk set a high pick for rondo on the arc. Dirk faded out to the corner, Rondo went to the center where he passed to a cutting Monta Ellis. Rondo’s man instantly left Rondo at the top of the arc, and proceeded to collapse on Monta. Monta isn’t dumb, he’s sees this, but what’s he going to do? Pass to Rondo at the top of the three point line? Or take a contested floater over two defenders? Monta took the floater. Rondo just doesn’t work in a system that has a center who can’t do anything on offense, and a SG who’s game is predicated on slashing and driving. It’s why the Mav’s are just so much better when Devin Harris is in the game, because he can still push the pace if needed, but also because he has the ability to be a scoring threat. 

Rondo was effective in Boston because they had great spacing, and great continuity. The Mavs just don’t have that with Rondo. PHX wouldn’t be a bad option because they always have shooters on the floor, but I don’t think that would be an ideal landing spot. A team like ATL would be ideal, but again, I can’t see that happening. His best chance of being on a good team would probably be Sac, because they would then have some semblence of an identity in that they just need some shooters around Rondo/Cousins. I could see a lineup of Rondo/McLemore/Caspi/Gay/Cousins working very well in a George Carl system. He brought in verteran PG Miller, and has coached some of the best PG’s in the NBA over the years. This lineup would delegate Collison and Thompson to the bench, and would just make the Kings a deeper team. And really, the kings aren’t as bad as their record shows. They were 11-13 under Malone, and Ty Corbins bumm *** coached them to a 7-21 record. They can def. do better.  

[ballislyfe25Participant]

As you guys are mostly saying, Rondo needs to be given the keys to the team and the offense must run around him. It’d be a risk signing him to a multi-year deal after the ACL injury and this Dallas showing. 

One team I always thought would be a good fit for him was the Pacers, especially now with Bird and Vogel saying they want to play faster. George Hill could play more off of the ball on offense and Rondo would have a nice pick and roll/pop partner in David West, along with a star wing in PG13. Regardless of Hibbert’s status with the team, Rondo would be the primary ballhandler playing with two guys who can hit the 3 and attack from the wing (Hill and George) and a big who can knock down jumpers and play in the post (West). Not saying this is a contender but I like the fit in theory.

[arambone2]

 Rondo WAS given the keys to a team, for the past 3 seasons.

Even before his injury, Pierce and KG were saying this was Rondo’s team.

That team was 20-23 when Rondo was injured, and they lost 6 games in a row until Rondo got hurt and the season turned around completely.

This season in Boston, a full year and a half after his knee injury, Rondo was the undisputed leader of the Celtics, but he didn’t even try hard, and basically quit on the team. Sure, he put up pretty stat lines, but he only passed for assists and the team was like 12-24 until we traded Rondo. Something like that.

Then the season turned around completely, and the Celtics started playing like one of the best teams in the NBA without Rondo and his "I haven’t played defense in a few years" diva act.

So many excuses for Rondo, even now. Mid Level Exception, one or two year contract.

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

[arambone2]

 Rondo WAS given the keys to a team, for the past 3 seasons.

Even before his injury, Pierce and KG were saying this was Rondo’s team.

That team was 20-23 when Rondo was injured, and they lost 6 games in a row until Rondo got hurt and the season turned around completely.

This season in Boston, a full year and a half after his knee injury, Rondo was the undisputed leader of the Celtics, but he didn’t even try hard, and basically quit on the team. Sure, he put up pretty stat lines, but he only passed for assists and the team was like 12-24 until we traded Rondo. Something like that.

Then the season turned around completely, and the Celtics started playing like one of the best teams in the NBA without Rondo and his "I haven’t played defense in a few years" diva act.

So many excuses for Rondo, even now. Mid Level Exception, one or two year contract.

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

As you guys are mostly saying, Rondo needs to be given the keys to the team and the offense must run around him. It’d be a risk signing him to a multi-year deal after the ACL injury and this Dallas showing. 

One team I always thought would be a good fit for him was the Pacers, especially now with Bird and Vogel saying they want to play faster. George Hill could play more off of the ball on offense and Rondo would have a nice pick and roll/pop partner in David West, along with a star wing in PG13. Regardless of Hibbert’s status with the team, Rondo would be the primary ballhandler playing with two guys who can hit the 3 and attack from the wing (Hill and George) and a big who can knock down jumpers and play in the post (West). Not saying this is a contender but I like the fit in theory.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2014/11/rajon_rondo_is_having_a_historic_start_to_the_2014-15_season.html

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2014/11/rajon_rondo_is_having_a_historic_start_to_the_2014-15_season.html

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 As a Lakers fan, I will be quite pissed to say the least if he gets a max offer from the Lakers as I don’t believe as a player he is anywhere close to that.  He would be getting the offer out of desperation and his name essentially.  To me the system is irrelevant, I think he is on the decline and there is about a 5% chance that he ages well.  We have most likely seen the best of Rondo unfortunately.  He can’t shoot, and he’s losing quickness.

Most of his stats were predicated on pounding the rock and finding open teammates.  Could he still put up good stats doing that?  Perhaps, but it doesn’t mean they would be good for the team stats.

I personally want no part of him and don’t think he will have some resurgence on a different team as some would argue.  We know what he is, and it’s only going to get uglier from here.

Would I be cool with Rondo for 7 mil a  year?  Yeah, I probably would… but would he be worth the headache that he will inevitably cause?  Butting heads with Rivers and Carlilsle?  To of the most respected coaches in the game?  That’s more than a coincidence in my eyes.  That’s a re-occuring problem.

No thanks to Rondo, or Monroe, or any other of these middling free agents that the Lakers will most likely target.  I would rather watch another struggling team forfeit their pick to the 76ers next year then throw away a potential 70 million dollars in cap space in 2016.

Hard pass!

 

 

 

 

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

This is one of the most logical and realistic Laker fans response I’ve ever read hahaha. You gotta hear some of the stuff I hear from Laker fans in Philly. 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

This is one of the most logical and realistic Laker fans response I’ve ever read hahaha. You gotta hear some of the stuff I hear from Laker fans in Philly. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 As a Lakers fan, I will be quite pissed to say the least if he gets a max offer from the Lakers as I don’t believe as a player he is anywhere close to that.  He would be getting the offer out of desperation and his name essentially.  To me the system is irrelevant, I think he is on the decline and there is about a 5% chance that he ages well.  We have most likely seen the best of Rondo unfortunately.  He can’t shoot, and he’s losing quickness.

Most of his stats were predicated on pounding the rock and finding open teammates.  Could he still put up good stats doing that?  Perhaps, but it doesn’t mean they would be good for the team stats.

I personally want no part of him and don’t think he will have some resurgence on a different team as some would argue.  We know what he is, and it’s only going to get uglier from here.

Would I be cool with Rondo for 7 mil a  year?  Yeah, I probably would… but would he be worth the headache that he will inevitably cause?  Butting heads with Rivers and Carlilsle?  To of the most respected coaches in the game?  That’s more than a coincidence in my eyes.  That’s a re-occuring problem.

No thanks to Rondo, or Monroe, or any other of these middling free agents that the Lakers will most likely target.  I would rather watch another struggling team forfeit their pick to the 76ers next year then throw away a potential 70 million dollars in cap space in 2016.

Hard pass!

 

 

 

 

 

[cheetosjalapeno17Participant]

As a laker fan, I’m quite afraid that the Lakers will go for Rondo. He has a close relationship with kobe and the Lakers are always looking for big names. I just hope that mitch sees the light and he sees that we have a pretty good pg in Clarkson and that Rondo’s game is not compatible with the style of play today. I honestly would rather spend the money on brook. 

[cheetosjalapeno17Participant]

As a laker fan, I’m quite afraid that the Lakers will go for Rondo. He has a close relationship with kobe and the Lakers are always looking for big names. I just hope that mitch sees the light and he sees that we have a pretty good pg in Clarkson and that Rondo’s game is not compatible with the style of play today. I honestly would rather spend the money on brook. 

[Numbers_CruncherParticipant]

I imagine the Guangdong Tigers will be looking to replace Mudiay. Haha, I think you have to seriously start wondering why anybody would want this guy on their team.  

[Numbers_CruncherParticipant]

I imagine the Guangdong Tigers will be looking to replace Mudiay. Haha, I think you have to seriously start wondering why anybody would want this guy on their team.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Still a starter and i expect a better season next year but not a max player. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Still a starter and i expect a better season next year but not a max player. 

[Mad MaxParticipant]

 With the acl tear, he’s really lost a step, actually a few steps. Without that elite first step and ability to get around defenders, he’s practically useless. Teams literally dare him to shoot outside of the paint, even if he can drive and get to the rim, he’s such a terrible free throw shooter, under 40%!!!!, that’s terrible for shaq and you’re a guard!! Seriously? Defensively he can still help if he’s engaged, but that doesn’t seem likely, now he just gambles and doesn’t play team defense.

I wouldn’t want this guy on my team, I’d take Luke Ridnour over him, Rondo isn’t nearly good enough to make all these accommodations for him to make him happy so he’ll actually show up and play. 

[Mad MaxParticipant]

 With the acl tear, he’s really lost a step, actually a few steps. Without that elite first step and ability to get around defenders, he’s practically useless. Teams literally dare him to shoot outside of the paint, even if he can drive and get to the rim, he’s such a terrible free throw shooter, under 40%!!!!, that’s terrible for shaq and you’re a guard!! Seriously? Defensively he can still help if he’s engaged, but that doesn’t seem likely, now he just gambles and doesn’t play team defense.

I wouldn’t want this guy on my team, I’d take Luke Ridnour over him, Rondo isn’t nearly good enough to make all these accommodations for him to make him happy so he’ll actually show up and play. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 Now Rondo is being ruled out indefinitely with a back injury according to ESPN. I think in other words he is being benched for his attitude and clash with Carlisle. Rondo is as good as gone in Dallas. Expect him to land with Lakers or Knicks. 

 

espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12742657/dallas-mavericks-rule-point-guard-rajon-rondo-indefinitely

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 Now Rondo is being ruled out indefinitely with a back injury according to ESPN. I think in other words he is being benched for his attitude and clash with Carlisle. Rondo is as good as gone in Dallas. Expect him to land with Lakers or Knicks. 

 

espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12742657/dallas-mavericks-rule-point-guard-rajon-rondo-indefinitely

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Shooting guard who shoots not slashes. Kobe will want Rondo to have the keys so he can get his buckets.  Two A $$holes who will be hated and will enjoy the dislike. To be honest Carlisle is part to blame because he never allowed him to play to his stregths. Rondo is a extremely smart player and needs to be with a coach who lets him use his best stregth, his IQ. Dirk is older anf not the same player and Rondo has become the scapegoat. With the exception of Ellis the team is old. Rondo cost himself money with how he handled this. Lakers and Kobe will benefit majorly for it next year.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Shooting guard who shoots not slashes. Kobe will want Rondo to have the keys so he can get his buckets.  Two A $$holes who will be hated and will enjoy the dislike. To be honest Carlisle is part to blame because he never allowed him to play to his stregths. Rondo is a extremely smart player and needs to be with a coach who lets him use his best stregth, his IQ. Dirk is older anf not the same player and Rondo has become the scapegoat. With the exception of Ellis the team is old. Rondo cost himself money with how he handled this. Lakers and Kobe will benefit majorly for it next year.

[llperez]

 i was thinking about this a lot last night. I watched the game and rondo just seems disinterested. He left the game early in the third becasue he picked up 2 stupid fouls and he did not appear hurt. The fact dallas essentially shut him down after the game tells me carlisle and him got into it again. ANd quite frankly, rondo isnt playing like he deserves to be out there. He continuously just dribbles up and passes and then stands still not even trying to initiate offense, at least not on any kind of regular basis like its the playoffs. I think this injury thing is simply for the media, rondo quit on dallas and in return dallas quit on him.

Now as for free agency, rondo still has value, but lol at anyone even mentioning a max deal and rondo in the same sentence. Im thinking more like 8 mil a year. Lakers are widely reported for a few reasons: 1-kobe and rondo have openly discussed playing with each other and their repsect for each other this year. 2-lakers NEED to do something with their cap space and many feel like rondo will help the franchise save face since they cant get any of the stars right now. Personally if im the lakers, i tell rondo we got about 10 other guys to talk to and then MAYBE we could bring him in for 8 mil if hes still interested. I like the development of clarkson, he was the teams one bright spot this year and he put up about 17, 5 and 6 as a starter the last month + of the season and looks like a real keeper. Again, wouldnt be mad about getting rondo for around 8 mil assuming we already exhausted a handful of other options in fee agnecy first.

 

 

[llperez]

 i was thinking about this a lot last night. I watched the game and rondo just seems disinterested. He left the game early in the third becasue he picked up 2 stupid fouls and he did not appear hurt. The fact dallas essentially shut him down after the game tells me carlisle and him got into it again. ANd quite frankly, rondo isnt playing like he deserves to be out there. He continuously just dribbles up and passes and then stands still not even trying to initiate offense, at least not on any kind of regular basis like its the playoffs. I think this injury thing is simply for the media, rondo quit on dallas and in return dallas quit on him.

Now as for free agency, rondo still has value, but lol at anyone even mentioning a max deal and rondo in the same sentence. Im thinking more like 8 mil a year. Lakers are widely reported for a few reasons: 1-kobe and rondo have openly discussed playing with each other and their repsect for each other this year. 2-lakers NEED to do something with their cap space and many feel like rondo will help the franchise save face since they cant get any of the stars right now. Personally if im the lakers, i tell rondo we got about 10 other guys to talk to and then MAYBE we could bring him in for 8 mil if hes still interested. I like the development of clarkson, he was the teams one bright spot this year and he put up about 17, 5 and 6 as a starter the last month + of the season and looks like a real keeper. Again, wouldnt be mad about getting rondo for around 8 mil assuming we already exhausted a handful of other options in fee agnecy first.

 

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Grain of salt. Will Clarkson be allowed to play similarly once KB touches down?  No

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Grain of salt. Will Clarkson be allowed to play similarly once KB touches down?  No

[MopgrassParticipant]

For most of the game, yeah. Kobe probably won’t get over 20 minutes. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

For most of the game, yeah. Kobe probably won’t get over 20 minutes. 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I think its inevitable he ends up with the Lakers. Its where he wanted to go all along and Kobe will undoubtedly push the front office hard to get him. Plus he is probably one of the only big names that they could realistically have a chance of getting, even if he is really just a "big name" at this point. No way he gets anywhere near the max though, from the Lakers or anyone else. I say a 2 yr deal in the 18-20 million range with a possible player option for 3rd year wouldn’t be completely awful.  Would still give them enough cap space to make more moves in free agency this summer and they’ll have tons of space to get into the Durant sweepstakes next year. In the right situation maybe he can rediscover his Boston form or get back close to it. Who knows?

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I think its inevitable he ends up with the Lakers. Its where he wanted to go all along and Kobe will undoubtedly push the front office hard to get him. Plus he is probably one of the only big names that they could realistically have a chance of getting, even if he is really just a "big name" at this point. No way he gets anywhere near the max though, from the Lakers or anyone else. I say a 2 yr deal in the 18-20 million range with a possible player option for 3rd year wouldn’t be completely awful.  Would still give them enough cap space to make more moves in free agency this summer and they’ll have tons of space to get into the Durant sweepstakes next year. In the right situation maybe he can rediscover his Boston form or get back close to it. Who knows?

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 I hope the Lakers overpay for him and he countiues this same attitude.  Delusional Laker fans deserve a player like this.

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 I hope the Lakers overpay for him and he countiues this same attitude.  Delusional Laker fans deserve a player like this.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Than against any other guard. If you look at all the other top PG and check their fg% and turnovers against him they verify his D. Yes he does gamble but seriously they all have bad shooting nights and high to’s. He does do some things well. He is a wizard with eyes behind his head and he is bottled up there. Besides his fg percentage he was putting up serious numbers with the C’s before the  trade thats why Dallas made the deal. Bad fit and Carlisle and Rondo both are to blame.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Than against any other guard. If you look at all the other top PG and check their fg% and turnovers against him they verify his D. Yes he does gamble but seriously they all have bad shooting nights and high to’s. He does do some things well. He is a wizard with eyes behind his head and he is bottled up there. Besides his fg percentage he was putting up serious numbers with the C’s before the  trade thats why Dallas made the deal. Bad fit and Carlisle and Rondo both are to blame.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 First of all,it’s not Carlisle’s system that doesn’t work. Rondo wasn’t good with Stevens neither. Dallas was way better with Jameer Nelson as a starter. Nelson was just a better fit than Rondo. Rondo has the game and the mindset of a superstar,without being anywhere close anymore to be on that level. Some big market(NY or LA) will throw money at him and realize it will not work.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 First of all,it’s not Carlisle’s system that doesn’t work. Rondo wasn’t good with Stevens neither. Dallas was way better with Jameer Nelson as a starter. Nelson was just a better fit than Rondo. Rondo has the game and the mindset of a superstar,without being anywhere close anymore to be on that level. Some big market(NY or LA) will throw money at him and realize it will not work.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 He shot poorly but he was damn near averaging a triple double and they were in the 8th seed when they traded him. System and Rondo and Carlisle never on the same page. Failure of player and coach. His numbers were great when the Celtics traded him. He was leading the L in assist averaging 9 points a game and grabbing 7 a night 9,12,7 were his averages and Zeller developed confidence under him. Turner and the rest of the team learned to use Zeller correctly from Rondo. Have to give credit where credit is due and criticism too. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 He shot poorly but he was damn near averaging a triple double and they were in the 8th seed when they traded him. System and Rondo and Carlisle never on the same page. Failure of player and coach. His numbers were great when the Celtics traded him. He was leading the L in assist averaging 9 points a game and grabbing 7 a night 9,12,7 were his averages and Zeller developed confidence under him. Turner and the rest of the team learned to use Zeller correctly from Rondo. Have to give credit where credit is due and criticism too. 

[r377Participant]

I am surprised no one has said Houston since he is good friends and high school teammates with Smith and Howard. Not to mention Houston seem to target virtually every second free agent thats out there.

I really dont know how well him and Harden would get along on court together….

[r377Participant]

I am surprised no one has said Houston since he is good friends and high school teammates with Smith and Howard. Not to mention Houston seem to target virtually every second free agent thats out there.

I really dont know how well him and Harden would get along on court together….

[BigChamp12Participant]

 First, let me start by saying I think Rondo in Houston would complete that team. They have very long, athletic, and versatile wing players in T Jones, J Smith, Trevor Ariza, Corey Brewer and evn KJ McDaniels.. They all can score and defend. In the post they have Dwight, D Mo, Capela and Dorsey which is more than enough. Harden is the 2guard with guys like Brewer able to slide into the spot for brief moments. Pat Beverly is the starting point. Rondo would def be an upgrade and complete the team’s only weak area although I love Beverly. It totally makes sense to me to have Rondo facilitate to Harden and Howard. In my eyes they are already the best Defensive team in the NBA when Dwight plays. Rondo will only make them better. When he is out of the game, Harden could go to his Iso facilitator/scorer role that he plays now.

Now… The reason Rondo won’t go to Houston is because he and Patrick Beverly have the same agent. Beverly is due for a nice contract this summer from the Rockets as their PG. Signing Rondo will definitely hurt that. 

 

[arambone2]

 Rondo would have the same effect on Houston as he had in Dallas, and Boston.

But Morey is just socially stupid enough to give it a try, in the spirit of the drafting of Royce White.

 

 

[arambone2]

 Rondo would have the same effect on Houston as he had in Dallas, and Boston.

But Morey is just socially stupid enough to give it a try, in the spirit of the drafting of Royce White.

 

 

[BigChamp12Participant]

 First, let me start by saying I think Rondo in Houston would complete that team. They have very long, athletic, and versatile wing players in T Jones, J Smith, Trevor Ariza, Corey Brewer and evn KJ McDaniels.. They all can score and defend. In the post they have Dwight, D Mo, Capela and Dorsey which is more than enough. Harden is the 2guard with guys like Brewer able to slide into the spot for brief moments. Pat Beverly is the starting point. Rondo would def be an upgrade and complete the team’s only weak area although I love Beverly. It totally makes sense to me to have Rondo facilitate to Harden and Howard. In my eyes they are already the best Defensive team in the NBA when Dwight plays. Rondo will only make them better. When he is out of the game, Harden could go to his Iso facilitator/scorer role that he plays now.

Now… The reason Rondo won’t go to Houston is because he and Patrick Beverly have the same agent. Beverly is due for a nice contract this summer from the Rockets as their PG. Signing Rondo will definitely hurt that. 

 

[arambone2]

 You guys are still WAY off.

Rondo was drafted in the 20s because he was a cancer for Tubby Smith.

Rondo was a cancer under Doc Rivers.

Rondo was a cancer under Brad Stevens. Rondo "almost averaged a triple double", but the Celtics were like 12-22 or something. They were a much better team than that but Rondo sucked all the oxygen out of the room, and only did his own thing. When he was traded to Dallas he basically went out of his way to slight Brad Stevens, when he gave specific praise to Carlisle and Doc Rivers as great coaches, leaving Stevens out. Stevens might have won coach of the year if he had been able to unload Rondo sooner, or in the offseason. Instead Stevens ended up 4th place for COY with some First place votes.

Then Rondo was a 20 pound malignant tumor for Dallas.

And yet you guys are still insisting Dallas was just a "bad fit", because the roster, coach, and system weren’t custom made to Rondo’s "game". As if some team is going to gamble on Rondo’s consistently toxic attitude, and make the whole franchise revolve around Rondo and his moods. 

It’s not going to happen. Rondo is like Tim Tebow with Terrell Owens intangibles. Or Vince Young would be a good comparison. No NFL team wanted to re-shape their whole roster and game plan to fit Tebow’s limited skills, and that’s with Tebow’s high character and humility.

You guys are in for a big wake up call. Jordan Crawford was better last year than Rondo was this year. Crawford even won Player of the Week one time. And yet Crawford is now playing in the DLeague playoffs, after a trip to China, while we’re already talking about Rondo in the past tense even though his team is still in the playoffs.

You really think some team is going sign Rondo to 9 million a year, and hope he can finish a playoff series without blaming all his problems on somebody else and having a meltdown? It’s not going to happen.

Rondo will probably get an Evan Turner deal at best. 2 years, 4 mil per year. It’s possible he gets a one year deal for 5-6 million, without any security. So they can dump his ass the minute he tries to hold the franchise hostage, like he’s done repeatedly throughout his career.

Watch, clowns. Because even if some team did have a roster and system suited perfectly for Rondo’s ball dominant, no-shooting ways, Rondo would quit on the team as soon as he felt that they weren’t a championship contender. That’s right, and he did it to Boston this year. And he basically did it to Dallas too.

Rondo looked good as long as PP, KG, and Ray Allen were at their peak. When those guys started fading, Rondo could not pick up the slack. We saw this before Rondo even hurt his knee, when the Celtics were 20-23 with a 6 game losing streak and Doc threatening to blow up the roster without any subsequent improvement in team play or effort. Then Rondo went down, everybody started touching the ball more, with more opportunities to create their own offense, where the offense became MUCH less predictable, and everybody started playing a whole lot harder because they were more involved.

Same thing happened this year in Boston, and Dallas always played better with Rondo on the bench after the trade.

There’s way too much talent in the league and coming out of college for any team to make a big investment in a delusional diva who hasn’t played winning basketball since 2011-2012.

The Mavs literally would have been better off picking up Jordan Crawford out of the China league, or waiting until that season was over to sign him for a vet min contract. Any team would be better off doing that.

9 million per year multiple year contract my azz.

And you think Kobe still has big influence with the Lakers? Lol, they greatly regret even re-signing him, and Kobe is a huge cancer too. The Lakers don’t owe Kobe anything, no matter how much he whines or curses out the GM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[arambone2]

 You guys are still WAY off.

Rondo was drafted in the 20s because he was a cancer for Tubby Smith.

Rondo was a cancer under Doc Rivers.

Rondo was a cancer under Brad Stevens. Rondo "almost averaged a triple double", but the Celtics were like 12-22 or something. They were a much better team than that but Rondo sucked all the oxygen out of the room, and only did his own thing. When he was traded to Dallas he basically went out of his way to slight Brad Stevens, when he gave specific praise to Carlisle and Doc Rivers as great coaches, leaving Stevens out. Stevens might have won coach of the year if he had been able to unload Rondo sooner, or in the offseason. Instead Stevens ended up 4th place for COY with some First place votes.

Then Rondo was a 20 pound malignant tumor for Dallas.

And yet you guys are still insisting Dallas was just a "bad fit", because the roster, coach, and system weren’t custom made to Rondo’s "game". As if some team is going to gamble on Rondo’s consistently toxic attitude, and make the whole franchise revolve around Rondo and his moods. 

It’s not going to happen. Rondo is like Tim Tebow with Terrell Owens intangibles. Or Vince Young would be a good comparison. No NFL team wanted to re-shape their whole roster and game plan to fit Tebow’s limited skills, and that’s with Tebow’s high character and humility.

You guys are in for a big wake up call. Jordan Crawford was better last year than Rondo was this year. Crawford even won Player of the Week one time. And yet Crawford is now playing in the DLeague playoffs, after a trip to China, while we’re already talking about Rondo in the past tense even though his team is still in the playoffs.

You really think some team is going sign Rondo to 9 million a year, and hope he can finish a playoff series without blaming all his problems on somebody else and having a meltdown? It’s not going to happen.

Rondo will probably get an Evan Turner deal at best. 2 years, 4 mil per year. It’s possible he gets a one year deal for 5-6 million, without any security. So they can dump his ass the minute he tries to hold the franchise hostage, like he’s done repeatedly throughout his career.

Watch, clowns. Because even if some team did have a roster and system suited perfectly for Rondo’s ball dominant, no-shooting ways, Rondo would quit on the team as soon as he felt that they weren’t a championship contender. That’s right, and he did it to Boston this year. And he basically did it to Dallas too.

Rondo looked good as long as PP, KG, and Ray Allen were at their peak. When those guys started fading, Rondo could not pick up the slack. We saw this before Rondo even hurt his knee, when the Celtics were 20-23 with a 6 game losing streak and Doc threatening to blow up the roster without any subsequent improvement in team play or effort. Then Rondo went down, everybody started touching the ball more, with more opportunities to create their own offense, where the offense became MUCH less predictable, and everybody started playing a whole lot harder because they were more involved.

Same thing happened this year in Boston, and Dallas always played better with Rondo on the bench after the trade.

There’s way too much talent in the league and coming out of college for any team to make a big investment in a delusional diva who hasn’t played winning basketball since 2011-2012.

The Mavs literally would have been better off picking up Jordan Crawford out of the China league, or waiting until that season was over to sign him for a vet min contract. Any team would be better off doing that.

9 million per year multiple year contract my azz.

And you think Kobe still has big influence with the Lakers? Lol, they greatly regret even re-signing him, and Kobe is a huge cancer too. The Lakers don’t owe Kobe anything, no matter how much he whines or curses out the GM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bimirudParticipant]

character has to count more than stats. I don’t care if Rondo was leading the league in scoring, rebounding and assists, if he has a  bad attitude, get rid of him A.S.A.P. For all you younger guys, look up the name Adrian Dantley. First-Team All Terminal Cancer.

[bimirudParticipant]

character has to count more than stats. I don’t care if Rondo was leading the league in scoring, rebounding and assists, if he has a  bad attitude, get rid of him A.S.A.P. For all you younger guys, look up the name Adrian Dantley. First-Team All Terminal Cancer.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Had surgery and missed 1 game after they took the screws out. Contract is why be was shopped in Boston not him personally. Either way he will play well next year for the Lakers or some other team. Next year he will be the player who was obtained for less and exceeds the contract given. Plays better with a chip on his shoulder. Was not used right and acted like a brat over it, yes. Carlisle is not known as a cool guy at all so grain of salt. A team looking for a floor general will do just fine grabbing him up.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Had surgery and missed 1 game after they took the screws out. Contract is why be was shopped in Boston not him personally. Either way he will play well next year for the Lakers or some other team. Next year he will be the player who was obtained for less and exceeds the contract given. Plays better with a chip on his shoulder. Was not used right and acted like a brat over it, yes. Carlisle is not known as a cool guy at all so grain of salt. A team looking for a floor general will do just fine grabbing him up.

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