[lukestine13Participant]

 benching Favors and continuing to start Blackkole, Harris and Bell is not the way to get many wins now or in the future.

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

When you make the decision to start your franchise player at the beginning of the season it should tell him/everyone you’re committed to him for the next few years…taking him out after two games would seem odd but then again teams have an obligation to compete and when you’re getting completely blown out and have a vetaran, 18 & 8 PF sitting on the bench you can see why he feels compelled to start him. Hopefully a backup line of Miles/Burks, Howard, Favors and Kanter will bring unprecedented energy. Still, despite Utah’s poor overall performance, the Jazz prized young’ns are definitely showing promise (Favors 8 rpg, Kanter 11 rebs in his debut, Burks 15 points in 10 mins against LA) and that’s more important right now then WHERE they show up in the box score.

[butidonthavemoney]

Favors should have never been in the starting lineup to begin with. It is vital for his development to play against second units and learn how to defend effectively without getting into foul trouble.

This is exactly why people like myself were saying it was a mistake to have him start in the first place. Now the team is just effing with his confidence by benching him.

Let him develop some chemistry with Kanter on the bench and do not — I repeat — DO NOT rush his development.

On another note; I believe it is important that we continue to start Harris, Bell and Jefferson. Showcasing Harris and Jefferson to the rest of the league will (hopefully) increase their value, and despite his ineffectiveness, Raja Bell is an excellent veteran to have on the roster. A guy like that still has value as a mentor, and he could coach Burks and Hayward into better defenders.

It really doesn’t matter what starting lineup we put on the floor, the Jazz aren’t a good team this year. Don’t start calling for Corbin’s blood until at least next season.

[lukestine13Participant]

 dont forget gordans seven assists.  @butidonthavemoney yes lets showcase to the nba how terrible these guys are and significantly decrease any trade value they had not have. Bell may be a good vet to have but he shouldnt be starting period. yes the jazz are a poor team this yearso let the youngins develop hard to develop when you are riding the pine. thats probably the only thing Corbin learned from Jerry was his complete lack of faith in young players.

[BigDParticipant]

The one thing that worries me about the Jazz is they have a lack of direction, they don’t seem to have a clue on what type of team they want to be. The roster makeup is messy, the players don’t really compliment each other at all. ANd if they’re going to commit to rebuilding, they have to clear the room to get the young players minutes, which baffles me why they signed Josh Howard and Jamaal Tinsley. I understand they’re veteran guys who can mentor the younger guys, but if those younger guys aren’t going to be getting burn it seems to be a rather futile effort.

[butidonthavemoney]

"yes lets showcase to the nba how terrible these guys are and significantly decrease any trade value they had not have"

Neither one of the two players are terrible. They just don’t fit what Utah is building around. Harris is an above-average starting point guard and Jefferson could play a Zach Randolph-type role with the right system around him.

"Bell may be a good vet to have but he shouldnt be starting period. yes the jazz are a poor team this yearso let the youngins develop hard to develop when you are riding the pine. thats probably the only thing Corbin learned from Jerry was his complete lack of faith in young players."

Throwing players into the fire is not always good for their development. Jerry Sloan made players earn their playing time and they were better for it. Sometimes players were ready to start right away (Matthews), some needed to learn to stay out of foul trouble (Millsap) and some were just a little rough around the edges (Williams).

Hayward needs to continue to build confidence, Favors needs to learn how to stay out of foul trouble, Kanter needs to become a better finisher and Burks needs to be a better shooter. If these players are starting, there’s a lot more pressure on them to perform well, rather than improve for the long-term. Since this team isn’t going to win many games, placing that responsibility on young players can be HIGHLY detrimental.

So put down your pitchfork and RELAX.

They’ll get plenty of playing time coming off the bench, but none of them need to be starting right now.

[Scottoant93Participant]

Just curious what do you see as the ceiling for Favors,Kanter,Burks,and Hayward

[butidonthavemoney]

I love Hayward as a third-option on offense. I think he’ll be super-efficient, and could be one of those 50-40-90 players, which is exciting. I mentioned a few months before the draft that his ceiling could be around 17 points, five rebounds and four assists per game, without having to control the ball much. I also like his potential to be an above-average defender. His shaky confidence is the one thing I could see preventing him from reaching his ceiling, as he has a good work-ethic, a positive attitude and high basketball IQ.

Derrick Favors is a talented defender and rebounder already, but he is always getting himself into foul trouble. Like Hayward’s confidence, this will be Favors’ biggest challenge as far as development goes. If he can remain an effective, physical defender while lowering his foul rate, I could see him averaging 15 points, 10 rebounds and a couple blocks per game. Some Jazz fans think he’s a future all-star or the "franchise player", but I consider that unrealistic due to his lack of a killer-instinct. Still, 15 and 10 with lock-down defense and a high efficiency from the floor would be a great contribution to a team that’s building for future postseason success. A great passing point guard could make him even better.

Kanter is tough for me to project, as I’ve only seen him play once before the preseason started. I do love his potential though, and he’ll be much better offensively than what we’ve seen so far. I could see him topping out as a cross between Andrew Bogut and Al Horford. He’s a big body who can punish people down low and hit shots out to 20 feet (we’ll see that eventually). Defensively, he doesn’t have the shot-blocking ability that Bogut does, but he can hold his own for a center. He’s been rebounding in his area well too. If he develops right (always a big if), he could be a 18-12 kind of player.

Burks is interesting, because he isn’t the typical Jazz player. He’s at his best dominating the ball (like Evan Turner) but in a system that really doesn’t allow him to (like Evan Turner). He’ll need to develop that perimeter shot if he wants to reach his full potential, and his defense needs some work (he was very ho-hum defensively at Colorado). Unlike the other guys, I won’t throw any potential stats around for him. He isn’t even in the regular rotation yet, and we need to see how he adjusts to his teammates. However, he may have the most valume-scoring potential out of any of these prospects.

Don’t quote me on any of those numbers though. Looking ahead, that’s just how I could see things shaping up if things go right (and they almost never do).

[chevilicousParticipant]

looks like jeffersons out tonight and favors is back in the starting 5

[butidonthavemoney]

Might see that classic Jazz movement again without Jefferson.

Anybody notice New Jersey started four ex-Jazzmen in their starting line-up today? The other guy was Damion James who played in Texas (where Rick Barnes implemented Jerry Sloan’s system).

Memo’s scoring again. Makes me happy.

[lukestine13Participant]

 coincidence? i think not i think the jazz’s problems stem from lack of direction as mentioned above. they say they aren’t rebuilding but competing. for whatthe 8th seed in the west?  @money you mentioned that Texas uses sloans system from the scouting report i have read on kabongo other than needing to get stronger and a better shooter he sounds like a perfect fit for the Jazz

[Scottoant93Participant]

Dear Billy King and NJ Nets,

look at Derrick Favors and tell me what you see, now look at deron williams…….as he is slowly sneaking out that door….now look at the Barclays Arena….Now guess how many fans will be in those seats…..Now wait til the trade deadline and if you can’t get howard trade Deron Williams so you can give New Jersey Fans some dignity and get something for him instead of walking out on you.

Sincerely,

A soon to be ex-Nets fan

[butidonthavemoney]

Myck Kabongo might be a good fit for Utah, but I’d prefer Kendall Marshall. He makes extraordinary plays and is one of the most natural point guards I’ve seen at the collegiate level in a long time. He’s a consistent outside jumper away from being ideal for the Jazz.

[chevilicousParticipant]

This game had allot to do with Harris playing very aggresively and pushing the ball almost every possesion. This is part of the reason i feel like jefferson kills this offense, not only does he completely kill the flow in the offense, and the ball dies when it hits him in the paint. But when you have the other guys on the floor and push the ball it plays to everyone elses strengths on the floor. I hope to god harris continues doing this all season, it’s the reason i loved him as a player his entire career, and the harris I’ve seen lately has not been him at all.

[chevilicousParticipant]

@nomoney i completely agree with you, marshall just knows how to control the pace of the game, plus his leadership capabilities on the court are much needed right now for a team like this. He will never be a blow by get to the cup kind of guy, but he can keep the game under control, make the right play, and if he develops a 3 that’s about all they would need out of him on the offensive end of the floor as of right now. With him Burks and hayward’s passing abilities, the thought just makes me salivate.

[the27guyParticipant]

 Nomoney, Stellar analysis above… deserves a lot more than two points. I don’t agree with you on everything you say, but it’s great insight.

I would fall into the category of Jazz fans that feels like Favors can definitely be more than a 15 ppg guy. I picture 19-20 ppg but I wouldn’t say that’s his ceiling. I also think it’s really difficult to get a pulse on killer instinct. I don’t think we know if Derrick Favors has killer instict or not. The fact that he’s reserved doesn’t mean he can’t score more than 15 ppg. 

I think your dead right on the other three guys though, especially Hayward. Great third option. I feel what might seperate the style of this team to previous versions is how the team gets into it’s offense–meaning that Hayward and eventually Burks will do a lot of the PG duties. That’s what makes Hayward such a special talent. He’s not just a shooter, or a scorer, he can conduct the offense, and I feel like with time he can be a little Ginobili-esque in how he runs the team. 

Oh and I thought the same thing when I saw the Nets starting lineup. Lets just hope Avery replaces Damion James with Stephenson.

[Author]

Posts