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- Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 3:05am #69051
HitsterParticipantReading Oh Canada’s comment about Wiggins being a top 20 paid player but in his opinion not being a top 50 NBA player, I was wondering how salary against a player’s rating in the NBA and who we think is good value and who is overpaid. The salary scale will skew this a bit as top younger players have to work their way up it.
Steph is the NBA’s highest paid player and being a double MVP and 3 times Champion whilst not a top 2 NBA player would rank in most people’s top 5 or 6 list so added to his lesser previous contract isn’t an issue IMO.
Westbrook is 2nd highest paid player but as a top 5 NBA player again no issue there.
LBJ is 3rd highest paid – could have been highest but he moved this summer – again pay him whatever he is LBJ.
CP3 is joint 3rd highest – left money on the table to opt in last summer but is he a top 10 NBA player still so salary is in his favour.
Blake Griffin 5th highest – No All Star games since 2015, injury issues, still a top player and developed all round game but not a top 15 NBA guy but with a top 5 salary.
Gordon Hayward 6th highest – Was injured last season but only one All Star game to date, maybe a top 15-20 NBA player at best.
Kyle Lowry 7th highest – Regular All Star, worked hard to get his success but not a top 15 NBA player so reaping earlier success.
James Harden 8th highest – will get big salary hike next season to be near top of list, top 3 to 5 NBA guy, so great value on almost any deal.
Paul George 9th highest – Regular All Star, All NBA 3rd teamer so almost in perfect position.
Mike Conley 10th – Was given big deal a few years back, no All Star games, injury issues, is on a great contract for his output.
Kevin Durant 11th – Top 2 NBA player but has taken a lot less money for a 2nd year in a row. Still well paid but should be in top 5 or top 3 of list.
Others – Anthony Davis 24th – Certainly a top 10 NBA guy will shoot up salary scale when he signs new deal in couple of seasons.
Kevin Love 30th – Took new deal this summer seems to be in a fair position possibly more in team’s favour.
Chandler Parsons joint 32nd – Wish we all had his agent!
Jimmy Butler 47th – Top 10 to 15 NBA player – fully deserves mega deal next summer.
Jimmy Butler 47th –
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 5:38am #1124014
treytalkssports.comParticipantWhen healthy, Hayward and Butler are remarkably similar players. Butler has the edge.
If Hayward is overpaid, then if Butler gets the mega-max next year, he would be overpaid.
This is all in flux as well. With the cap spikes and future cap spikes and various kinds of max deals, its just different to each team.
And then on top of that, one player might not be worth as much to one team, but would be worth way more to another.
As a Celtic fan, even though we are paying Hayward and Horford a lot of money, they are worth every penny, regardless of where they are in the current player rankings.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 9:29am #1124017
HobbyOGParticipantNot even close as being "similar"
These are Butler’s accomplishments
- 4× NBA All-Star (2015–2018)
- 2× All-NBA Third Team (2017, 2018)
- 4× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2014–2016, 2018)
- NBA Most Improved Player (2015)
These are Hayward.
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Butler a way better defender and he can score, he’s tougher, etc. Gordon’s a good player but I wouldn’t of gave him that contract.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 10:38am #1124020
treytalkssports.comParticipantFine. Great. Butler is the more recognized and awarded player.
Butler’s per36 numbers in 2016-2017 – 23, 6, 5, and 2 on 46/37/87 shooting splits.
Hayward’s per36 numbers in 2016-2017 – 23, 6, 4, and 1 on 47/40/84 shooting splits.
Butler 123 offensive rating and 106 defensive rating
Hayward 118 offensive rating and 106 defensive rating
Butler’s great and I would probably say he is a better player, but they are remarkably similar players.
Hayward could have gotten that contract from Utah, Boston, and Miami. Any team last off-season would have offered him that contract if they had the ability to do so.
My arguement is if you believe Hayward’s contract averaging 32 million over the next three years is an overpay, then you would also need to believe that a Butler supermax contract averaging 41 million starting next year would also be an overpay.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 2:36pm #1124025
festar35ParticipantA lot has to do with location – Butler achieved a lot of his All-Star appearances out in the East, while Hayward was battling in the West.
It has now switched and it wouldn’t surprise me to see Hayward get multiple All-Star games in over next couple of years.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 5:54am #1124015
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantThere are a lot of different factors in play here. Guys who signed long-term deals before the summer of 2016 (when the cap spiked) generally tend to seem underpaid now, even though at the time they may have seemed like huge deals at the time. Conversely, a lot of the players who took advantage of the 2016 cap spike and signed long-term deals look grotesquely overpaid now (i.e. Parsons, Noah, deng, mozgov, mahimi etc.). The way the system is set up now, the best players are also in line to sign the highest contracts with the most incentives by staying with the team that drafted them, but of course not every player necessarily wants to do that. Guys like lebron and Durant have notoriously been famous for signing shorter term deals to preserve their flexibility going forward. While these deals might seem like bargains, the team constantly has to worry about them leaving in free agency from year to year.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 9:32am #1124018
HobbyOGParticipantAt one point Mike Conley had the biggest contract in NBA history. I wouldn’t of paid him that much. No all-stars and hasn’t won anything or impact a game well enough to get that salary. Same with Chandler Parsons, I’m not sure what’s up with the Grizzles GM’s but those might be the two worst contracts in NBA history.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 12:16pm #1124021
OhCanada-ParticipantTeams like the Raptors and the Grizzlies kinda have to give out those contracts and so do the Timberwolves when giving Wiggins his contract. These organizations have to build a positive reputation and show the fanbase and the team that they are committed to their plan and reward players for living up to expectations. Problem is no matter how you look at it a bad contract is a bad contract and once you commit to an asset that will become untradable until proven otherwise like Wiggins or do to decline/age like Lowry or Conley you gotta live with that commitment.
Raptors are the dumbest of all because they showed loyalty to Lowry by giving him that huge deal and then completely destroyed their reputation by lying to the historic face of the organization Derozan. If they cant resign Leonard they are stuck with what theyve got because theyve committed to build around Demar Derozan based on the remaining years on his contract but now the best player on the team only has one year left on his contract and the support is locked in past that.
0- Posted on: Thu, 08/23/2018 - 2:55am #1124030
HobbyOGParticipantI disagree, lose and build through the draft! OKC is no diffrent then Memphis..small town city.They drafted KD, Harden, Russ and Ikba..went to the finals and if mangement did the right thing they could still be together as a Superteam. Memphis paying all that money to barely make the playoffs if that.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 8:10pm #1124029
MkadozaParticipantConley can play.
As a Knicks fan, Joakim Noah has to have the worst contract in the NBA, tied with Parsons. 18 mill a year for doing literally nothing.
0- Posted on: Fri, 08/24/2018 - 7:52pm #1124072
EndlessknightParticipantDeng?
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/22/2018 - 1:50pm #1124023
HitsterParticipantButler was playing out East and Hayward out West before their moves in the last few seasons so it may have cost Hayward an All Star game or two. He was actually 2nd or 3rd highest paid player last season but I will throw in that Danny Ainge must have wanted him and made a big pitch to get him away from Utah where he could have taken an even bigger deal.
Lowry only got a 3 year deal so it’s not like the Raps were tied down to a 5 year deal, so they can regroup in a season or two.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 08/23/2018 - 1:46pm #1124043
SmooveKRYPTParticipantJosh Smith is still making $5.4 Million a year from the Pistons and hasn’t had an impact in an NBA game since 2015…
But among active players: Parsons, Deng, & Noah are the worst values.
If we’re counting rookie contracts in the equation, Donovan Mitchell is easily the best value at $3.1 million. Hey won’t make more than $5 mil for another 3 years. For guys who have been extended at least once, Kemba Walker ($12M) and Khris Middleton ($13 M) are the best vaule contracts out there. Both borderline all-star production for less than many role players across the league.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 08/24/2018 - 2:12am #1124049
HitsterParticipantGood call by SmoothKrypt about Kemba. I’d say Kemba is pushing to be a top 20 NBA player and is a double All Star. He can certainly look for a double what he is now as a minimum next summer if he has another good year. Charlotte haven’t reached out to look to extend him yet but probably know that like Jimmy Butler he’ll want to enter FA to get max value and explore options.
As a Suns fan – I wonder if we could make a run on Kemba and with him being from the Bronx could a move to the Knicks or Brooklyn be a natural fit for him. MSG would be a great stage for him and playing with Porz would be appealing and the new run and gun Nets would be a natural fit too.
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