Please insider..Perry the no.1??

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Please insider..Perry the no.1??

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/story?id=7396371&_slug_=college-hoops-ear...

put this one up..very interesting to see whta this scout thinks about prospects


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It's Gottlieb, who I like as

It's Gottlieb, who I like as a college analyst, but I often disagree with when evaluating pro talent. Anyways, here it is. Not bad, IMO, but his order at the top I think is pretty far off, then again, it's December.

This early in the season, it's hard to find any kind of consensus about who the top NBA prospects are for the upcoming draft. That picture is almost always in motion as the college basketball season progresses. But when I look at the college landscape right now, I come away with 30 guys whom I see as having what it takes to be first-round picks in June's draft.

This is certainly subject to change over the course of the season, but for now, in order, here are my top 30 draft-eligible prospects:

1. Perry Jones III, Baylor Bears
Developing a killer instinct to go with very sound basketball skills.

2. Harrison Barnes, North Carolina Tar Heels
He's making shots, has a pro game and seems to be able to elevate his play to the level of competition.

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3. Andre Drummond, Connecticut Huskies
Just scraping the surface of his potential, but already an animal on defense with all the makings of a stud big man.

4. Anthony Davis, Kentucky Wildcats
Looks the part of an NBA lotto pick, but doesn't have a defined skill to speak of outside of blocking shots.

5. Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut Huskies
Silky smooth 1/2/3-type player, who continues to elevate his game. He needs to work on his body for the rigors of the NBA, but his overall game is tailor-made for the League.

6. Bradley Beal, Florida Gators
Perfect body and stroke for the 2-guard spot in the NBA. Needs to be a little better off the dribble, as his offense in college is not totally geared for his strengths.

7. Meyers Leonard, Illinois Fighting Illini
Huge upside that might be best to refine in college for another year or even two. But he's a 7-foot-2, great athlete with lots of skill. He just needs strength and confidence.

8. Quincy Miller, Baylor Bears
He's a Pogo stick who can shoot and defend. Seems like he has even more to offer than what he's shown at this early stage of his career.

9. Thomas Robinson, Kansas Jayhawks
Another springy athlete who may be a bit undersized, but is able to face up and defend ball screens better than Jared Sullinger at the next level.

10. Cody Zeller, Indiana Hoosiers
He's not close to being physically ready, but he has a tremendous combination of size and athleticism.

11. Jared Sullinger, Ohio State Buckeyes
A load down low who is showing an increased ability to score on the perimeter. He may struggle some against bigger players in the NBA, but he is very agile for his size.

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AP Photo/Ricardo ArduengoIona's Scott Machado could be a solid pick for an NBA team.

12. Scott Machado, Iona Gaels
If Sebastian Telfair had gone to college and was a little bigger, this is what I think his game would have looked like by the end of his career. Machado has great feel as a passer, can score some in the half court and has changed his body to become a more dynamic athlete.

13. Damian Lillard, Weber State Wildcats
Scoring point guard originally from Oakland and a very good scorer off ball screens. He's a solid creator and if his team was healthy we might have another "Jimmer" situation.

14. Terrence Jones, Kentucky Wildcats
Skilled. Period.

15. Patric Young, Florida Gators
Just a physical specimen with growing basketball skill. Young is a low-maintenance offensive player who should grow into a dominant defender and rebounder.

16. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky Wildcats
Scoring machine at the 3. He's the most competitive Kentucky player so far, though he has a lower ceiling than Anthony Davis.

17. John Henson, North Carolina Tar Heels
Looks the part, as he's super-duper long and a decent face-up shooter who can post up, but he doesn't impact a game like he should. Henson's a very bright person, but may lack grit to become elite.

18. Andrew Nicholson, St. Bonaventure Bonnies
Nicholson's a Canadian who stands only 6-9 but has a 7-4 wingspan, and he uses those long arms to block shots and rebound. With great feet, huge hands and a very bright background, Nicholson is loved by scouts. Nicholson is an underrated face-up shooter, which should allow him to translate to the NBA 4 with continued development.

19. Tony Wroten, Washington Huskies
A big, strong scoring guard, Wroten tore his knee in high school but seems to be tapping his potential at UW.

20. Austin Rivers, Duke Blue Devils
A dynamic combo guard who is in search of a position. Rivers has some Dwyane Wade to his game, and like Wade, he is a streaky shooter. Unlike Wade, he plays more below the rim. Being at Duke is helping his defense and shot selection, though he is not really playing the point at all.

21. Doug McDermott, Creighton Bluejays
Playing the face-up 4 in college, McDermott should become a 3 in time. His improvement has been rapid and there is still room for more by continuing to work on his body.

22. Terrence Ross, Washington Huskies
Big-time athlete at the wing who can shoot. He needs to be a better guard in terms of ballhandling and defense, though.

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Lance King/Getty ImagesTerrence Ross exhibits some of his elite athleticism against Duke.

23. Arnett Moultrie, Mississippi State Bulldogs
The UTEP transfer is adept at playing in the high post and is a tremendous rebounder as well.

24. Joshua Smith, UCLA Bruins
Probably 50 pounds overweight, Smith should be in the top 10 on this list, but his weight is crushing his potential. Huge, soft hands, great feet and a big body, Smith will either get it, or eat himself out of a lot of money.

25. Tony Mitchell, Alabama Crimson Tide
Mitchell is a freak athlete with no real position; still, he walks into a gym and looks like an NBA player. He should be a 2-guard, only he has no real guard skills and might have to be a 3 even though he plays some 4 at Bama. Still, Mitchell can be a shutdown defender and will be good addition for an NBA team as his game develops.

26. John Shurna, Northwestern Wildcats
With a bit of a funky-looking jumper, Shurna is a machine as a scorer. He has some low-post game, and can pass and create his own shot as well.

27. Mason Plumlee, Duke Blue Devils
Big, fairly strong and a possessing a very good jumper, Plumlee is a dunking animal. He is not a scorer at the low block, has not developed a pick-and-pop game and struggles to cover out on the floor. But he has bought into his role at Duke and has excelled in it.

28. Zack Rosen, Pennsylvania Quakers
A true point guard, who is very quick and strong. He actually started ahead of Scott Machado at St. Benedict's in high school. Rosen has improved by leaps and bounds as a shooter, is a very good playmaker and a bulldog of an on-ball defender. Tough as nails, Rosen has a chance to be a starting point guard, as his shooting and handle off ball screens continues to improve.

29. John Jenkins, Vanderbilt Commodores
A big, elite shooter who should stick in the league for a long time.

30. Tyler Zeller, North Carolina Tar Heels

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THANKS. Wow a really bad mock

THANKS.

Wow a really bad mock imo lol..

he calls MKG scoring machine and has him at 16..if MKD would be scoring machine at least like Lamb he would be top3 lock...

an dstill in my eyes he should be close to top5 people underrated his offensive skills and it's not a secret anymore all the blue nation calls him their MVP and he is soooo young with already grown man's body(have anyone noticed he will be the youngest NBA player since Kevin Durant)

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Perry Jones does not have a

Perry Jones does not have a killer instinct and does not get to the free throw line enough. If his shot isn't going down he can't score cause he doesn't get free throws.

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Yeah, the one thing I will

Yeah, the one thing I will give Gottlieb is that he watches so much college basketball he's good at finding talent in smaller less broadcasted schools and writing about them, but yeah, i agree, Not the best either

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Just an awful, awful big board

Not bad? I mean, Joe, I know it is early, but you have to go off of what you have seen and predicted development. Plus, his descriptions!? I mean, they are so vague and ridiculous. Where in the hell has Perry Jones killer instinct been since BYU? He writes that Terrence Jones is "Skilled. Period." and ranks him behind Scott Machado and Damian Lillard. Granted, both of the two aforementioned are AWESOME college players, but we are talking about pro prospects.

Finally, John Shurna and Zack Rosen in front of Tyler Zeller? I mean, really now! Shurna is a solid college player, but who in the hell does he defend in the NBA? He might make a roster as a shooter, but when he goes up against physical and more athletic players, he gets destroyed. I am not the biggest Zeller fan, I do think his younger brother is the better prospect, but he is a 7 footer who can run the floor and score in the post. He is much more physical than people give him credit for. I have no idea why people would take this list seriously, Gottlieb is always out there.

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Ok, maybe I was being too

Ok, maybe I was being too easy on him. I don't think Shurna is anything short of a mid 2nd rounder and I think Tyler Zeller is 16-25. I agree with him on, well, about 5 picks or so, but I'm not too hard on people before conference play started and I appreciated him bringing some names to the table that I could track and form my opinions on and try to watch as the season continues.

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I see your point

I just feel like it is honestly used as a shock value thing rather than an actual list of NBA prospects. Just gets clicks and comments, I suppose, but does he really feel Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is behind all of those players as a pro prospect? Just so hard for me to give this guy credit for a list I think is kind of a hack job and comments that I feel are way off base for a number of players.

Plus, Perry Jones III killer instinct is killing me right now. The guy is a bonafide pro prospect, but I have the hardest time saying he has killer instinct. He kept avoiding contact last night rather than taking it to the body. I guess you can develop over time, and he is a rare specimen, but he just seems to get pushed around and his post game is non-existent.

I hear he is a really nice kid and that he works hard, but for such an incredible athlete, he has a really hard time getting himself into position to attack, especially against physical competition. I think he is a bonafide lottery pick and he is skilled, but he has shown no killer instinct to me in two marquee contests. Baylor won both, but Jones III was a role player and took no leadership role. BYU looked like he had turned a corner, but West Virginia and this latest game with Mississippi State showed that he is a great athlete who struggles against physical competition. I have a feeling "killer instinct" was the last thing from scouts minds and I think that he is much more of a gamble than Drummond, Davis, Barnes or Lamb at this point. He is still a top prospect, but I do not see him as a #1 pick right now and have a hard time seeing why Gottlieb put him there. Wish he would have used more than one BS sentence to state his case.

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I really was hoping to catch

I really was hoping to catch the end of the Baylor Miss State game last night, but something came up after the Missouri State v Creighton matchup. I looked at the box and it really didn't seem like Jones did much at all. One thing I've noticed about him in the past is that he often is content settling for jumpers, not taking open jumpers, but shooting a jumper instead of attacking and getting a better shot, which like you said does not constitute a killer instinct.

I'm not gonna lie and say I didn't roll my eyes when I saw Barnes at two. He has improve his efficiency and seems to me like he could be a guy who scores more in the NBA than he did in college, but he failed to impress me this season because I had him as the #2 prospect coming into 2011-12, even though he doesn't play big minutes in a lot of games he just seems like a big bodied jump shooter to me. I still have him top 5, but to take him over Drummond, Davis and Lamb I don't see.

His comments are pretty weak, but at this time of the year I like to watch as many prospects as possible during the college season so if St. Bonnie is playing Xavier, I'm going to be more apt to watch it so I can get a look at Andrew Nicholson. I might form my opinion, that he is legit, or a 2nd rounder, or decide it's just Gottlieb being a basketball hipster and trying to throw an obscure name out there so he can say he liked them before they got big. I do like the new names, though.

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The only thing that Perry

The only thing that Perry Jones has is the sloth instinct. He just stands 12 feet from the hoop and does nothing.

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I know this might not be the

I know this might not be the worst part but I really hate Jared Sullinger @11,I am a big fan of the kid

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THIS MOCK DRAFT IS GARBAGE

THIS MOCK DRAFT IS GARBAGE (period). cody zeller at #10, bye im leaving

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