[aamir543Participant]

I am sure all of you guys have heard about Peyton Manning signing his new 5 year 90 million dollar deal, and before I start, I would like to state that he earned every single penny of this deal, and deserves a lot of credit for what he has done with his relinquished recieving core(sans Reggie Wayne), But I am hearing "experts" praising him for taking less money. Now, I know he is a great player and person, and deserves the money, but refusing a couple million a year when you have Peyton Manning’s money is like a normal person saying "Dinner’s on me". I am not even going to look up how much money he has, cause I bet you the figure is even more that I think it is. Earning 23 million for 3 seasons, and then 11 million for two seasons in your late thirties is "taking less"? Don’t get me wrong, I have already said that I beliece he rightfully deserves the money, but I am sick and tired of  people praising multi billion dollar athletes for in this case, refusing to set the record. If I were Manning, I would have cashed out of every single penny possible, and maybe I would have done what he did, take a bit less to allow cap flexibility to surround myslef with better players, but not once would I expect people to say, "Wow, what a great person you are, for taking less money." Let’s remember that he is still earning 18 million On Average, compared to the 20 million he was being offered. It’s different than the Cliff Lee situation, where i believe he left 30 million on the table, and left a year or two off also.

Again, If you disagree with me or have anthing to say, feel free to do so.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Agree. The guy could retire right now, and be set for the rest of his life.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Agree. The guy could retire right now, and be set for the rest of his life.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Yes, it is all relative to the insane amount more he makes than the average person for throwing the football unlike any player in history, but he is not a bad person for taking less, is he? Just shows he really wants to win and hopes that by taking less money he will possibly have some more money to spend on teammates. I mean, the fact is, he took 10% less than he might have earned otherwise, which is significant. But, he gave up 2 million dollars! That is a lot of money!

I mean, Peyton more than likely will not be starving, but giving up that kind of money to try and win is usually a sign that you at least care about winning quite a bit. LeBron, Wade and Bosh did the same thing (Udonis Haslem and Mike Bibby as well), and I guess they were not seen in the same way, but Peyton did this for the same team he has made ridiculous amounts of money for. The fact is, Peyton Manning is an incredible football player, and, apparently, not a complete dick. It is indeed a rarity in sports, and Peyton Manning is a freaking rare player. He may indeed go down as the best QB to ever play the game, and he is incredibly marketable. To see an athlete do something a tad selfless, when he in fact could be asking for every penny possible, is at least slightly refreshing. Yes, it is a little pathetic seeing people on ESPN or the NFL Network praising Millionaires for giving up 10% of their possible salary, but it happens, and if anyone is deserving of praise in this factor, it is Peyton.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Yes, it is all relative to the insane amount more he makes than the average person for throwing the football unlike any player in history, but he is not a bad person for taking less, is he? Just shows he really wants to win and hopes that by taking less money he will possibly have some more money to spend on teammates. I mean, the fact is, he took 10% less than he might have earned otherwise, which is significant. But, he gave up 2 million dollars! That is a lot of money!

I mean, Peyton more than likely will not be starving, but giving up that kind of money to try and win is usually a sign that you at least care about winning quite a bit. LeBron, Wade and Bosh did the same thing (Udonis Haslem and Mike Bibby as well), and I guess they were not seen in the same way, but Peyton did this for the same team he has made ridiculous amounts of money for. The fact is, Peyton Manning is an incredible football player, and, apparently, not a complete dick. It is indeed a rarity in sports, and Peyton Manning is a freaking rare player. He may indeed go down as the best QB to ever play the game, and he is incredibly marketable. To see an athlete do something a tad selfless, when he in fact could be asking for every penny possible, is at least slightly refreshing. Yes, it is a little pathetic seeing people on ESPN or the NFL Network praising Millionaires for giving up 10% of their possible salary, but it happens, and if anyone is deserving of praise in this factor, it is Peyton.

[keowoaokenParticipant]

Agree.

[aamir543Participant]

I completly agree with you, but in my eyes, there is a difference between Haslem and Bibby, compared to Manning, Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. First, calculate how long it would take you to earn even 10 million dollars, gross income. Wade and Lebron have a ton of endorsement money, and Bosh still probably has a hefty amount outside of his Basketball income. I know Bibby had that huge contract, so maybe not so much him,(but still, he gave up 6 million to get a chance to win a tittle) but look at Haslem. He still earns a lot comparativly to the average person, but he gave up 15 million over 4 years to stay with Miami. And look at the scale he didi it on. I am not gonna do the math, but it seems like  a good 35% less than what Denver was offering. I acknowladge Haslem way more than Manning, cause a) Manning has a ton more money, and b) There is no garuntee that Haslem will ever get another contract.

I may be wrong, so please speak up if you find that I was wrong.

[aamir543Participant]

I completly agree with you, but in my eyes, there is a difference between Haslem and Bibby, compared to Manning, Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. First, calculate how long it would take you to earn even 10 million dollars, gross income. Wade and Lebron have a ton of endorsement money, and Bosh still probably has a hefty amount outside of his Basketball income. I know Bibby had that huge contract, so maybe not so much him,(but still, he gave up 6 million to get a chance to win a tittle) but look at Haslem. He still earns a lot comparativly to the average person, but he gave up 15 million over 4 years to stay with Miami. And look at the scale he didi it on. I am not gonna do the math, but it seems like  a good 35% less than what Denver was offering. I acknowladge Haslem way more than Manning, cause a) Manning has a ton more money, and b) There is no garuntee that Haslem will ever get another contract.

I may be wrong, so please speak up if you find that I was wrong.

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

I have no issues with football players demanding such money, or holding out, IMO they are the one of the most underpaid athletes, considering the revenue they bring to owners, and the physical beating they take and feeling the effect as they get older. Do you guys realize that Rashard Lewis earns more money than Peyton Manning? I have no problem with Manning getting that type of money, hell I think he deserves more.

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

I have no issues with football players demanding such money, or holding out, IMO they are the one of the most underpaid athletes, considering the revenue they bring to owners, and the physical beating they take and feeling the effect as they get older. Do you guys realize that Rashard Lewis earns more money than Peyton Manning? I have no problem with Manning getting that type of money, hell I think he deserves more.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

You are right in a sense, but Udonis Haslem is not on the level of a Peyton Manning. The fact is, Peyton Manning is one of the greatest football players of All-Time, and he is a guy that leads you to wins and championships. He is a 4 Time MVP (Most in NFL history), and arguably still the best, if not one of the best, in the game right now. Players like this will always get more acknowledgement, and the fact that Peyton Manning took a red cent less than he possibly could have had is going to get commendation. Plain and simple. Udonis wanted to win badly, because he knew Miami had some amazing pieces. Peyton Manning is the amazing piece you build a team around.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

You are right in a sense, but Udonis Haslem is not on the level of a Peyton Manning. The fact is, Peyton Manning is one of the greatest football players of All-Time, and he is a guy that leads you to wins and championships. He is a 4 Time MVP (Most in NFL history), and arguably still the best, if not one of the best, in the game right now. Players like this will always get more acknowledgement, and the fact that Peyton Manning took a red cent less than he possibly could have had is going to get commendation. Plain and simple. Udonis wanted to win badly, because he knew Miami had some amazing pieces. Peyton Manning is the amazing piece you build a team around.

[M-DYMESParticipant]

The guy could have retired about 10 years ago and would have been fine, let alone now. 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

The guy could have retired about 10 years ago and would have been fine, let alone now. 

[lappaapapaParticipant]

He has never played in all 82 games of an NBA season, and he’s been on a steady downhill slide for most of the last seven years.
 

[lappaapapaParticipant]

It’s certainly hard to imagine Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich tolerating McGrady’s lackadaisical approach to the game, and any attempt to undermine Pop would likely earn McGrady a one-way ticket out of the league.

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