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Omer Asik

Saw that Asik will get traded by December 19th. Starting thinking of some possible trades.

4 trades came to mind besides the obvious Asik for Ryan Anderson, Asik for Ilyasova that it seems like everyone discusses on the forum.

1) BOS-Asik & Beverly for Jeff Green....gives Houston the stretch 4 that they need and want. Asik gives Boston a C and a defensive presence down low. Beverly gives them a true PG with some experience until Rondo returns and then when Rondo returns they could play together.

2) OKC-Asik for Perry Jones, Perkins & a Draft Pick....I realize this isn't a very good trade for Houston a long shot but gives Houston that stretch 4, he's young & can develop. Perkins gives them a backup C to give Howard a break here and there. Asik would help OKC out immensely and put them back on that elite contender status.

3) DAL-Asik & Motie for Marion & Dalembert...I think Marion can be a nice compliment to Howard as the stretch 4. With Dalembert coming off the bench.

4) LAL-Asik for Jordan Hill, Jodie Meeks & Shawne Williams...when LA was wining championships they had Bynum & Gasol, not saying Asik is Bynum but he can help defensively. Hill can play the 4 & 5 for Houston, playing along side Howard and then being his backup. Meeks gives them another shooter on the wing.

I realize these trades may be far-fetched but just some ideas...what do you guys think??


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Green

I really like the trade to the Celtics... if it included a 1st rounder for the Celtics I think they would go for it.

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Lakers get the worse player

Lakers get the worse player and take on 15 mill in salary for next year when they have shown zero interest in eating away this summers cap space? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever

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Why is Ryan Anderson for Asik

Why is Ryan Anderson for Asik obvious? The only thing obvious about that deal is that it won't happen, and that New Orleans would be getting robbed.

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I think he just means that

I think he just means that that deal is the one that's been discussed all season when it comes to trade rumors. Media heads have been saying that's a trade that both teams should make since before the season began, and it's ramped up a bit again with Anthony Davis out.

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Those trades are all horribly

Those trades are all horribly lopsided. Either for the Rockets or the other team.

1) Why would the rockets give away two of their best defenders, not to mention two potential starters, for Jeff Green when he does nothing different from Parsons. And if you play him at the four, there's nothing he can do that Terrence Jones cannot.

2) Perkins is garbage and that draft pick is going to be in the 28-30 range anyway. And we don't have time for Perry Jones to develop. The Rockets are good right now, they don't have time to wait 5 years to see if MAYBE Jones becomes a good shooter (which he has never been)

3) Wow do we get screwed. What world do we live in where Shawn Marion is considered a stretch four? If that's the case, we're better of with TJones as the starter. There's a difference between a slashing forward playeing next to a big that can shoot (Dirk and Amar'e) because the spacing is there, but a slasher and a down-low big? And we give up Motie, a young talent that can be a nice piece in the future for Dalembert? A defensive big that's losing minutes on a team that lacks a defensive big?

4) As a Rockets fan, I wouldn't mind. We keep Jones as the starter and get some nice depth for our bench, which is already pretty deep. Except the Lakers would hate this trade. They want to clear caproom, not get more of it. Sure, they can probably sign Asik for cheap after his contract is up and pair him up with Gasol. (Which would be a duo that would age gracefully since neither use athleticism anyway) But I'm sure the Lakers would rather get the cap room.

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What about:

Houston Rockets get:
Ryan Anderson

New Orleans Pelicans get:
Luol Deng
Omer Asik

Chicago Bulls get:
Eric Gordon
Donatas Motiejunas

Rockets get a stretch 4.

Pelicans get a very good defensive team. Asik-Davis-Deng would be one of the best defensive frontcourts in the L (if not, THE best). They start Evans or Morrow and keep Holiday at PG. They get two veterans that have played together and gone deep in the playoffs before.

Bulls get the scorer they've longed for since Rose arrived. They move Butler to the 3 and Gordon to the 2. If they want to amnesty Boozer and start Gibson, they can because they'll have a young back-up ready to come in. Motie could be a very good faceup player that would take the role that Boozer currently has, eventually.

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I think the Bulls are losers

I think the Bulls are losers in this trade, I like Gordon, but three years at 15M each might become a problem for them. Also, why amnesty Boozer? His contract expires next year, he's going to be a very valuable trade asset. You amnesty players you have no chance to trade at all or whose contract expiration day is far. I know their owner is kinda cheap, but what the hell...

Also, Asik-Davis-Deng are a very good defensive unit, but what about offense? Davis is having a breakout year now that they gave away Robin Lopez, playing constantly with bigs who stay away from the paint. I'm not sure the best thing for him it's to have another pick and roll only big who plays only in the restricted area on offense. Smith being an above 45% mid range shooter has a lot to do with Davis offensive outbursts. Not to mention how better they got, all of a sudden, since Anderson's come back. They would also lose Gordon, so basically they would be left with no consistent off the ball shooting threat and this is not that good in 2013 Nba (not to mention that right now Gordon often plays as a pick and roll ball handler, allowing Holiday, another good shooter, to play off the ball; without Gordon they would be forced to have Holiday being constantly the pick and roll ball handler). Also Asik is someone you have to use carefully in crunch time, considering how bad of a free throw shooter he is. It's true, right now they're bad on D, but I'm not sure how much their (potential: defense it's not just about the players, it has a lot to do with schemes, organization etc etc) defensive improvements would make up for the potential problems on offense. I think the Pelicans will search the answers to their defensive problems elsewhere. Considering that Deng contract expires this summer this one would definitely be a panic trade for them.

Houston is the clear winner here, Motiejunas has talent and potential, but I don't like his body language and he's unconsistent, so giving him away it's not much of a sacrifice, especially if you consider Terrence Jones breakout. Asik is not part of their plans, if any he's a problem right now. On the other side Ryan Anderson fits this team very nicely

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I really like the idea of a

I really like the idea of a trade involving Asik for Bargnani.

Bargs got a bad contract but the Rockets are built to win now and he is just a natural next to Howard in that Rockets offense and hes finally startkng to get back in shape and looking healthy.

And Asik not only can fill in for Chandler but his presence would also help Amare get back on track. And the Knicks wouldnt have to worry about playing Chandler wit Asik because they could work in that system wit Melo.

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The most realistic trade in

The most realistic trade in my opinion is Asik going to the Celtics for Portland's 1st rounder this year (owned by the Celtics), Keith Bogans's contract and maybe Faverani.

The Celtics are surprise contenders in the awful Eastern Conference this year and have a legit chance to make the playoffs. They have a a couple of bad contracts on the books for next season anyway so preserving cap space next year to lure a big name isn't a priority.

Asik would give the Celtics the big, legit sized C who plays defense and rebounds. They own Portland's 1st round pick this year which is going to be at the end of the 1st round (with the way they are playing....see Utah route tonight).

Houston would get a future asset and hopefully get a big body back also (having just Greg Smith as the backup to Dwight is a little worrisome....and no DMont is not a C). Bogans's contract is included to make the deal work under the cap. He has a cap hit of a little over 5 million this year. There is also the bonus of Houston not helping any of their main competitors in the stacked West this year.

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1) I'm not sure what Boston

1) I'm not sure what Boston is doing, are they trying to win the A-tanking division and grab a playoff spot? Are they tanking as they were supposed to be? I think that trading Green would mean they are putting all their effort in the tank race, but as of now it doesn't seem their intention. Anyways I don't like this trade at all for Houston. I know that Asik's situation might become a problem, forcing them to trade the turkish center for something worse than one would expect, but, as someone already pointed out, Green's not really a stretch 4 and he's pretty similar to Chandler Parsons (who, right now, looks definitely better). Also I don't think they're going to trade Beverly, he's such an important part of their early success. I think that moving him in the starting lineup and using Lin as a 6th man, leading their second unit, was a very brilliant move by McHale, one of the few that helped the Rockets prevent some of the potential issues within their roster.

2) This is not a likely scenario. First of all they're getting robbed and even if it's not nice itself, it's not even the worst thing. Second Jones hasn't really shown he is a strecht four (and a legit Nba player in the first place) and Perkins seems pretty much washed up. Ok, he can give some D and he's experienced, but he's a non factor on offense. But first and foremost they're potential helping another contender in your conference getting better and this is definitely the last thing you want to do.

3) I don't know if Dallas would be interested, Marion and Dalembert contracts are expiring this summer, why bring in a guy who has another year at 15M without any real chance to win? But it's the most likely of the 4 if the Mavs overrate their chances of winning the title. I think Asik it's worth a little more than that. But since his contribution right now is zero or below, and you have to trade him somehow, the Rockets might be forced to accept something less than optimal. Marion could be a nice addition, coming from the bench and allowing them to play smaller line ups, providing quality D and a veteran who has lot of experience of late playoffs stages. Dalembert, well, it's pretty much chump change, but he can run the floor. In the very worst scenario they have two expiring contracts.

4) The Lakers don't have a chance to win and they likely won't go to the playoffs either, so Asik it's no use there. And even if they're trying to win, I don't think he's the kind of big man Mike D'Antoni likes. Also, I think they're somehow saving cap space (yep, even if the gave Kobe THAT extention). Asik has another year in his contract, the three players listed before have none.

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Any contending team would

Any contending team would only consider doing a trade if they thought they had the better of it and we all know that Daryl Morey is a smart guy so won't do a rash trade. The Rockets are obviously win now but their title window could well be a few years give that D12 is only turns 28 tonorrow and Harden is only 24 so they don't have to rush into anything.

With a loaded draft next year and possibly the year after, teams will be reluctant to give up picks in the top 20 especially and Houston would want proven talent back too.

I like the idea of a trade with the Celtics for one of Green or Wallace plus fillers, that is to the other Conference and to a team looking to rebuild so it ticks all the basic boxes.

Outside of that, no other obvious deals spring to mind to give Houston what they want and to find a team where Asik fits in.

I did consider Spencer Hawes as Philly is looking to go into rebuild and he has legit 3 point range and as a 7ft playing PF would give missmatch issues and Asik could be a big body in the middle for Philly whilst Nerlens Noel develops but I'm still not keen on that trade, anyone have any ideas how to make that work better?

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1. I don't think you get how

1. I don't think you get how valuable Jeff Green is right now.

2. That trade definitely works for both teams but, as improved as PJ III has looked this year, I don't think he's ready.

3. I like this trade a lot for both teams.

4. Asik isn't going to make LA a title contender and hurts their offseason chances of landing a star.

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My Asik trade

I don't offer trade ideas often, but I truly think this is the trade that moves Asik and is practical. It also involves Houston losing Jeremy Lin. While Lin is playing great basketball, he's not being fully utilzed in Houston.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2c77v3

Houston get: Ryan Anderson, Travis Outlaw and Jason Thompson.

Ther benefits that come with Anderson are obvious. What folks don't talk about enough is Houston's lack of perimeter defense. Outlaw is a limited player, but he can defend wings very well. He'll provide a good contrast to Parsons off the bench. Jason Thompson is a filler in this trade, but he would give Houston a griddy post guy. He's a viable 4th big off the bench for a contender.

Kings get: Jeremy Lin

Kings make their best business decision in the last 5 years. Lin attracts Asian viewers world wide and would give a fringe team some lime-light. Plus they unload Jason Thompson and give Derrick Williams the minutes that he needs.

Pelicans get: Omer Asik, Donatas Montiejunas, Houston's 2014 1st round draft pick, Kings 2014 & 2015 2nd round draft picks.

Pelicans lose a dynamic scorer in Anderson. But ultimately can you have a great team when your best two players play the same position? I think not. Davis can play Center, but that would be a perversion of his abilities. Omer let's Davis slide to the 4, and gives them a backup finess PF in Donatas. The two round draft picks makes the trade fair, and the Kings and Pelicans would give them gladly.

This trade benefits 3 teams. Neg me if you want. The Pelicans arguably get the short end of the stick, but I think the draft picks even it out. Plus, they finally solidify an identity going forward.

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No Left's idea of a three

No Left's idea of a three team trade could be well what Houston may look to do, it won't likely be what he has suggested but Houston may well look to find a taker for Asik and then acquire his replacement from a 3rd team, that would certainly give them more options than a straight two team trade. The team that Houston theoretically get Asik's replacement from would probably end up with any picks involved in the move.

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