[Hi its BenParticipant]

Ok so I’m watching the NY vs. Chicago game and its the first time I’ve seen Mozgov and yeah.. he kinda looks like Gallinari doesn’t he? haha

But anyways I’m bias on this but I think the Bulls will pull this one out in the end.  I’m definitely looking forward to their season this year.

[Hi its BenParticipant]

Oh and by the way D-Rose is a stud and should be in the dunk contest this year…

[Hi its BenParticipant]

Oh and by the way D-Rose is a stud and should be in the dunk contest this year…

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Rose shows why he’s so freakish with that dunk.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Rose shows why he’s so freakish with that dunk.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Noah has the ugliest jumpshot ive ever seen.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Noah has the ugliest jumpshot ive ever seen.

[goneParticipant]

You know why??? Because Im about to spam the F*#$k out this thread In the words of the great Randy Moss "Straight cash homie"

[goneParticipant]

You know why??? Because Im about to spam the F*#$k out this thread In the words of the great Randy Moss "Straight cash homie"

[durantula83Participant]

Then his jumpshot fits his looks.

[durantula83Participant]

Then his jumpshot fits his looks.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 The Knicks PGs are playing great pressure defense right now.

To Durantula: POW!!!!

[MkadozaParticipant]

 The Knicks PGs are playing great pressure defense right now.

To Durantula: POW!!!!

[andxxxParticipant]

 Gallinari is ballin’

[andxxxParticipant]

 Gallinari is ballin’

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Rose is on pace for 20-15 but, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, Rose is the only one who can break down the Knicks defense.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Rose is on pace for 20-15 but, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, Rose is the only one who can break down the Knicks defense.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Gallo’s feeling good. He’s doing the stereotypical Italian thing and using his hands for every word he says.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Gallo’s feeling good. He’s doing the stereotypical Italian thing and using his hands for every word he says.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I’m watching this game and I’m so confused….is this a dream or something? Is this real?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I’m watching this game and I’m so confused….is this a dream or something? Is this real?

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Seriously. They’re playing defense, theres no drop off when you go to the bench, Gallo is playing bananas, and theyre understanding spacing, the extra pass, and switching principles… Is D’Antoni actually the coach people hyped him to be? I don’t think they can play close to this good every night, but it shows the serious improvement that has New Yorkers excited.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Seriously. They’re playing defense, theres no drop off when you go to the bench, Gallo is playing bananas, and theyre understanding spacing, the extra pass, and switching principles… Is D’Antoni actually the coach people hyped him to be? I don’t think they can play close to this good every night, but it shows the serious improvement that has New Yorkers excited.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

LMAO at WizKid’s attempt to make this thread off-topic.

FAIL!

[WizardofOzParticipant]

LMAO at WizKid’s attempt to make this thread off-topic.

FAIL!

[goneParticipant]

Nah thats what it seems like the "creator" of this thread disrespected me on another thread that was mysteriously deleted along with a couple of my comments

[goneParticipant]

Nah thats what it seems like the "creator" of this thread disrespected me on another thread that was mysteriously deleted along with a couple of my comments

[sheltwon3Participant]

New York is really this good and also Bulls are missing Boozer.  Also hopefully Knicks don’t choke.  Felton is looking better than I thought but I know right now he is far from the 20 and 10 I mentioned but it is still early because Gallo has finally had a good game and also Amare will Average more than what he is now.

[sheltwon3Participant]

New York is really this good and also Bulls are missing Boozer.  Also hopefully Knicks don’t choke.  Felton is looking better than I thought but I know right now he is far from the 20 and 10 I mentioned but it is still early because Gallo has finally had a good game and also Amare will Average more than what he is now.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Stoudemire is a turnover machine

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Stoudemire is a turnover machine

[sheltwon3Participant]

It is still early and a lot of new players on that team.  Wall has a lot of turnovers right now too but i doubt he continues to turn the ball over at a high rate same as Stoudamire.

[sheltwon3Participant]

It is still early and a lot of new players on that team.  Wall has a lot of turnovers right now too but i doubt he continues to turn the ball over at a high rate same as Stoudamire.

[gregoden08Participant]

I agree completely. Stoudemire is a top-15 player, but I don’t like the way he is playing for the Knicks. Taking it 1 on 1 every time and rarely passing. He’s going to put up similar stats like he put up in Phoenix, but it will be much less efficient because he doesn’t have Nash.

[gregoden08Participant]

I agree completely. Stoudemire is a top-15 player, but I don’t like the way he is playing for the Knicks. Taking it 1 on 1 every time and rarely passing. He’s going to put up similar stats like he put up in Phoenix, but it will be much less efficient because he doesn’t have Nash.

[delfamParticipant]

Rose top 3, I’d still take Rondo,Paul, and J-Kidd instead

[delfamParticipant]

Rose top 3, I’d still take Rondo,Paul, and J-Kidd instead

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Rose is in absolute takeover mode. Definitely a top 3 point guard right now.

If Rose got Boozer healthy and somehow got Eric Gordan (or similar player), you’d have a true championship contender.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Rose is in absolute takeover mode. Definitely a top 3 point guard right now.

If Rose got Boozer healthy and somehow got Eric Gordan (or similar player), you’d have a true championship contender.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Delfam, that would make Rose forth. Rondo and Kidd cant do what hes been doing these last few minutes. But he’s just as good a passer.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Delfam, that would make Rose forth. Rondo and Kidd cant do what hes been doing these last few minutes. But he’s just as good a passer.

[Hi its BenParticipant]

delfam… youd REALLY take J-Kidd over D-Rose??? are you kidding?

[Hi its BenParticipant]

delfam… youd REALLY take J-Kidd over D-Rose??? are you kidding?

[delfamParticipant]

he’s a better passer, he stretches the defense, has more experience.

[delfamParticipant]

he’s a better passer, he stretches the defense, has more experience.

[SteroidParticipant]

For the record, Rose is not just as good a passer as Rondo or Kidd..

But save that debate for later… This game was looking like a blowout for a moment.

[SteroidParticipant]

For the record, Rose is not just as good a passer as Rondo or Kidd..

But save that debate for later… This game was looking like a blowout for a moment.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Right now I could see Rose as being number 3 ahead of Rondo because Rose can score.  Williams and Paul just have too much experience and similiar production for him to get the edge right now.  Felton can run the pick and roll with Amare but give them time to gel.  Chemistry takes time but Felton has shown he can play a two man game with Amare.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Right now I could see Rose as being number 3 ahead of Rondo because Rose can score.  Williams and Paul just have too much experience and similiar production for him to get the edge right now.  Felton can run the pick and roll with Amare but give them time to gel.  Chemistry takes time but Felton has shown he can play a two man game with Amare.

[EntropyParticipant]

Woah, i never knew 13 assists was rose’s career high. Wall had 13 in just his 3rd game lol.

[EntropyParticipant]

Woah, i never knew 13 assists was rose’s career high. Wall had 13 in just his 3rd game lol.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Douglas is playing like a stud and I am glad he is on my draft roster

[sheltwon3Participant]

Douglas is playing like a stud and I am glad he is on my draft roster

[delfamParticipant]

James Johnson is garbage

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I feel Derrick Rose is a good, Great guard but I feel Rondo is better now and Wall will be better in 20 months.

 

I will admit, he eats up average defenses.

[delfamParticipant]

James Johnson is garbage

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I feel Derrick Rose is a good, Great guard but I feel Rondo is better now and Wall will be better in 20 months.

 

I will admit, he eats up average defenses.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Derrick Rose is better than just "good" Mr. Knick 32. And he’s still improving. Just take out the good and leave great lol.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Derrick Rose is better than just "good" Mr. Knick 32. And he’s still improving. Just take out the good and leave great lol.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Amare is upsetting me. What is he doing

[sheltwon3Participant]

Amare is upsetting me. What is he doing

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

is playing like shi.t the first few games too many to’s and too many jumpers

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

is playing like shi.t the first few games too many to’s and too many jumpers

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Right now, it’s: Rondo, Rose, Wall, Jennings, Nelson

The issue with Rose right now for me, he doesn’t get to the line alot, he looked a little wierd shooting from 3 and he is not a great defensive guard. He could change it down the road tho.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Right now, it’s: Rondo, Rose, Wall, Jennings, Nelson

The issue with Rose right now for me, he doesn’t get to the line alot, he looked a little wierd shooting from 3 and he is not a great defensive guard. He could change it down the road tho.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I think part of the reason he doesn’t get to the line a lot is because he’s amazing at avoiding the contact.

His three-pointer is still a work in progress, but I see improvement. He’s not a great defender, but he’s definitely not a poor one. I’d say he’s about average. He’ll get better there. It just takes some players longer than others.

He’s not done improving. Not even close.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I think part of the reason he doesn’t get to the line a lot is because he’s amazing at avoiding the contact.

His three-pointer is still a work in progress, but I see improvement. He’s not a great defender, but he’s definitely not a poor one. I’d say he’s about average. He’ll get better there. It just takes some players longer than others.

He’s not done improving. Not even close.

[stanford hoops]

Rose is very good. I have a higher standard then some when it comes to being great. That takes seasons to accomplish.  But rose can be great eventually. To me great is hall of fame. If his career ened now it’s not hall of fame worthy. But again that’s just me when Im calling someone great

[stanford hoops]

Rose is very good. I have a higher standard then some when it comes to being great. That takes seasons to accomplish.  But rose can be great eventually. To me great is hall of fame. If his career ened now it’s not hall of fame worthy. But again that’s just me when Im calling someone great

[delfamParticipant]

I base greatness off championships, especially with PG’s cause their suppose to be leaders and orchestrate a team, their the glue to the team, what makes them run. That’s why Rondo and Fisher are some of my favorite players cause they step up and know what to do to win.

[delfamParticipant]

I base greatness off championships, especially with PG’s cause their suppose to be leaders and orchestrate a team, their the glue to the team, what makes them run. That’s why Rondo and Fisher are some of my favorite players cause they step up and know what to do to win.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I agree Rose can improve, I just feel what Wall has shown me, he’s already at that level where Rose was getting too last season for me. Other then the fact Wall is a walking turnover at this point, I see him becoming better then Rose by next season.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I agree Rose can improve, I just feel what Wall has shown me, he’s already at that level where Rose was getting too last season for me. Other then the fact Wall is a walking turnover at this point, I see him becoming better then Rose by next season.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Fisher and Rondo also just happen to be on two amazing teams.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Fisher and Rondo also just happen to be on two amazing teams.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 I really hate to bring it up, but why do you base individual skill on team awards? 

[MkadozaParticipant]

 I really hate to bring it up, but why do you base individual skill on team awards? 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Without Rondo, Boston doesn’t win a title in 08 and get to it last year. More then just another guy on that team. He’s clearly a top 15 player in the NBA at this point.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Without Rondo, Boston doesn’t win a title in 08 and get to it last year. More then just another guy on that team. He’s clearly a top 15 player in the NBA at this point.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

So after three or four games, you’re willing to say Wall will be better than Derrick Rose by *next* season???

This reminds me of when JNixon-Iggy9 said during Jennings’ blazing start that he’d be better than Rose by the end of last season.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

So after three or four games, you’re willing to say Wall will be better than Derrick Rose by *next* season???

This reminds me of when JNixon-Iggy9 said during Jennings’ blazing start that he’d be better than Rose by the end of last season.

[delfamParticipant]

It’s different with a PG, the PG is the leader and suppose to run the team, the PG is the team, that’s why I judge them on championships. Obviously there are exceptions if your on a bad team or are like John Stockton and run into Michael Jordan every year, but this is just my view.

On topic, looks like Thibs gave up on this game to rest Noah and Rose for tomorrow against the Celtics.

[delfamParticipant]

It’s different with a PG, the PG is the leader and suppose to run the team, the PG is the team, that’s why I judge them on championships. Obviously there are exceptions if your on a bad team or are like John Stockton and run into Michael Jordan every year, but this is just my view.

On topic, looks like Thibs gave up on this game to rest Noah and Rose for tomorrow against the Celtics.

[McDunkin]

WizKid have i tought you nothing? If you are going to go off topic you commit to that shit!

The Bulls are going to be a force when Boozer gets back..if they show they can mesh together that is.

And slightly off topic…Those  Adidas commecrials are awful that Asian dude hasnt been funny since The Hangover..and even then his character got old fast

[McDunkin]

WizKid have i tought you nothing? If you are going to go off topic you commit to that shit!

The Bulls are going to be a force when Boozer gets back..if they show they can mesh together that is.

And slightly off topic…Those  Adidas commecrials are awful that Asian dude hasnt been funny since The Hangover..and even then his character got old fast

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I watched everyone of those Wall games, I can say this with certainty: Wall will be better then Rose in the near future.

 

He’s Rondo with a more developed jumper. He would look even more impressive.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I watched everyone of those Wall games, I can say this with certainty: Wall will be better then Rose in the near future.

 

He’s Rondo with a more developed jumper. He would look even more impressive.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Whoa… Rondo played good in the 2008 Finals, but I don’t think he played great enough to say they wouldn’t have won the title without him.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Whoa… Rondo played good in the 2008 Finals, but I don’t think he played great enough to say they wouldn’t have won the title without him.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I think they lose the finals without him IMO.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I think they lose the finals without him IMO.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t understand why everyone is so quick to say every other good young point guard with potential will be better than Rose in the near future.

I don’t think Rose has a top on his potential, I don’t think these other players are just going to pass him up. This is definitely going to take more than one season to decide.  

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t understand why everyone is so quick to say every other good young point guard with potential will be better than Rose in the near future.

I don’t think Rose has a top on his potential, I don’t think these other players are just going to pass him up. This is definitely going to take more than one season to decide.  

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I clearly remember Rondo sitting on the bench for Eddie House because Rondo was a liability from the line and shooting the ball.

That series was won with defense, Pierce outplaying Kobe and KG/Perkins punking Pau.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I clearly remember Rondo sitting on the bench for Eddie House because Rondo was a liability from the line and shooting the ball.

That series was won with defense, Pierce outplaying Kobe and KG/Perkins punking Pau.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Once Rose gets Boozer, I wanna see him.

 

I’m saying this, had Wall went to a team where he had a good player, he’d be putting up like 23-5-10 right now. I think he wins ROY with like 17-4-9 this season. His jumper is advancing and the issue is he has two lumbering bigs in the post with rock hands. That Philly game, they couldn’t catch a cold.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Once Rose gets Boozer, I wanna see him.

 

I’m saying this, had Wall went to a team where he had a good player, he’d be putting up like 23-5-10 right now. I think he wins ROY with like 17-4-9 this season. His jumper is advancing and the issue is he has two lumbering bigs in the post with rock hands. That Philly game, they couldn’t catch a cold.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Delfam, say what you want about Fisher, he doesnt run the team. And giving a pass to Stockton is just brushing over your opinion. 

Mr. Knick, If Pierce isnt on that team, or KG, or Ray Allen, they dont make it. I can guarantee that. I feel like because Rondo is clearly the primary ball handler and distributer, you take away credit from 3 Hall of Famers, 2 off which were most known for their top 10 skill in the league. Pierce and Allen were great because of their athleticism, it because of their basketball IQ and skill and the definitely havent lost that. Replace Allen and Pierce with Iguodala and Maggette, do you think Rondo’s getting 10 assists?

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Delfam, say what you want about Fisher, he doesnt run the team. And giving a pass to Stockton is just brushing over your opinion. 

Mr. Knick, If Pierce isnt on that team, or KG, or Ray Allen, they dont make it. I can guarantee that. I feel like because Rondo is clearly the primary ball handler and distributer, you take away credit from 3 Hall of Famers, 2 off which were most known for their top 10 skill in the league. Pierce and Allen were great because of their athleticism, it because of their basketball IQ and skill and the definitely havent lost that. Replace Allen and Pierce with Iguodala and Maggette, do you think Rondo’s getting 10 assists?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Take Rondo off of the Celtics and they STILL make the playoffs and maybe when a first round game.

Take Rose off of the Bulls and they have a chance at the top pick in the draft.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Take Rondo off of the Celtics and they STILL make the playoffs and maybe when a first round game.

Take Rose off of the Bulls and they have a chance at the top pick in the draft.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Im gonna need more that 3 games to say anything on Wall.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Im gonna need more that 3 games to say anything on Wall.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Mr. Knick, If Pierce isnt on that team, or KG, or Ray Allen, they dont make it. I can guarantee that. I feel like because Rondo is clearly the primary ball handler and distributer, you should take away 3 Hall of Famers, 2 off which were most known for their top 10 skill in the league

 

Ray Allen and Paul Pierce were never considered top 10 players from what I can remember. Rondo is the best passer, defender and has the most experience of any PG in the East and he’s probably the 3rd best passer overall in the NBA.

If I had to build a team today, I’m picking Rondo. I feel if I can get some solid shooters, smart players around him- I can win a title. In fact, I can build a legit team around Rondo that could win a title.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Mr. Knick, If Pierce isnt on that team, or KG, or Ray Allen, they dont make it. I can guarantee that. I feel like because Rondo is clearly the primary ball handler and distributer, you should take away 3 Hall of Famers, 2 off which were most known for their top 10 skill in the league

 

Ray Allen and Paul Pierce were never considered top 10 players from what I can remember. Rondo is the best passer, defender and has the most experience of any PG in the East and he’s probably the 3rd best passer overall in the NBA.

If I had to build a team today, I’m picking Rondo. I feel if I can get some solid shooters, smart players around him- I can win a title. In fact, I can build a legit team around Rondo that could win a title.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

 What exactly was the point he was making by not putting in Rose with like 4 minutes left in the game? I know the players on the floor had gotten them on a decent run, but as soon as Felton made that 3 to put the Knicks up by 11, how does he not put in D-Rose? The crowd was chanting and all, and was he trying to assert his indifference to their needs? Either way, that is pretty bad coaching in my book. I am all about leaving hot line-ups on the floor, but in crunch time, you have to have Derrick Rose out there, and more than likely should have had Noah out there as well. I did not see Asik/Watson doing anything close to what those players could do. Very weird sequence there, I wonder what Tom Thibodeau’s excuse is. To me, it almost seemed like a cop out and giving the game away. 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

 What exactly was the point he was making by not putting in Rose with like 4 minutes left in the game? I know the players on the floor had gotten them on a decent run, but as soon as Felton made that 3 to put the Knicks up by 11, how does he not put in D-Rose? The crowd was chanting and all, and was he trying to assert his indifference to their needs? Either way, that is pretty bad coaching in my book. I am all about leaving hot line-ups on the floor, but in crunch time, you have to have Derrick Rose out there, and more than likely should have had Noah out there as well. I did not see Asik/Watson doing anything close to what those players could do. Very weird sequence there, I wonder what Tom Thibodeau’s excuse is. To me, it almost seemed like a cop out and giving the game away. 

[delfamParticipant]

you put Rose on the Celtics though and they don’t win a championship, he just wouldn’t fit in with those guys cause he’s a scorer first, Rondo is the perfect fit for the Celtics.

[delfamParticipant]

you put Rose on the Celtics though and they don’t win a championship, he just wouldn’t fit in with those guys cause he’s a scorer first, Rondo is the perfect fit for the Celtics.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Do you honestly believe that if Rose were on the Celtics, they wouldn’t win a title? You’re lying to yourself.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Do you honestly believe that if Rose were on the Celtics, they wouldn’t win a title? You’re lying to yourself.

[delfamParticipant]

I’m not,  he isn’t the right fit for that team, Rose could not distribute it to all those guys and make them all happy, their offense wouldn’t run as smooth. Rose is really good but he needs to be the go to guy on his team and he wouldn’t be on the Celtics.

[delfamParticipant]

I’m not,  he isn’t the right fit for that team, Rose could not distribute it to all those guys and make them all happy, their offense wouldn’t run as smooth. Rose is really good but he needs to be the go to guy on his team and he wouldn’t be on the Celtics.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Rose doesn’t *need* to be the go-to guy. He’s carrying the scoring load because he has to. Who else on the Bulls is capable of getting their own shot, etc consistently?

He’s not the passer or playmaker that Rondo is, BUT he’s unselfish and more than capable of creating for his teammates, etc.  

With the way Rose gets into the lane, Allen would get even more open attempts. KG would see even more wide open weakside jumpers. People act like Rose can’t pass the ball, which is just confusing to me.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Rose doesn’t *need* to be the go-to guy. He’s carrying the scoring load because he has to. Who else on the Bulls is capable of getting their own shot, etc consistently?

He’s not the passer or playmaker that Rondo is, BUT he’s unselfish and more than capable of creating for his teammates, etc.  

With the way Rose gets into the lane, Allen would get even more open attempts. KG would see even more wide open weakside jumpers. People act like Rose can’t pass the ball, which is just confusing to me.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

You could start Nate Robinson or Delonte West and the Celtics would still make the playoffs. That’s how good that team is.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

You could start Nate Robinson or Delonte West and the Celtics would still make the playoffs. That’s how good that team is.

[delfamParticipant]

You could, but they probably won’t win a championship. The thing with Rose is you don’t know if he’d be willing to only average say 15 ppg to better his teammates because up to this point in his career he’s had to score. If he was put in a position like the Celtics where he didn’t have to, you don’t no how that would affect him, would he be as effective?

[delfamParticipant]

You could, but they probably won’t win a championship. The thing with Rose is you don’t know if he’d be willing to only average say 15 ppg to better his teammates because up to this point in his career he’s had to score. If he was put in a position like the Celtics where he didn’t have to, you don’t no how that would affect him, would he be as effective?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t think he’d have one problem. Rose is as humble and unselfish as they come.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t think he’d have one problem. Rose is as humble and unselfish as they come.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rose has the potential to leap frog Paul and Williams in a few seasons because he can take over  games and score at will plus he can pass.  There are things he needs to improve on.  Wall right now is on a better pace than what Rose did and if he keeps at his present pace, he will overtake Rose sometime next year but that is if he keeps at his current pace.  I am sure the turnovers will go down as he learns his team.  Wiz have a lot of young and inexpierence(can’t spell tonight) players.  Also if you replace Rondo with Rose, Celtics still win and maybe win in fewer games.  Rondo had nothing from offense during those Finals and a lot of times he did not play in the 4th.  The Rondo now and last year is better but they have yet to win anything and he still lacks offensive skills.  Lakers are just in their way I guess.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rose has the potential to leap frog Paul and Williams in a few seasons because he can take over  games and score at will plus he can pass.  There are things he needs to improve on.  Wall right now is on a better pace than what Rose did and if he keeps at his present pace, he will overtake Rose sometime next year but that is if he keeps at his current pace.  I am sure the turnovers will go down as he learns his team.  Wiz have a lot of young and inexpierence(can’t spell tonight) players.  Also if you replace Rondo with Rose, Celtics still win and maybe win in fewer games.  Rondo had nothing from offense during those Finals and a lot of times he did not play in the 4th.  The Rondo now and last year is better but they have yet to win anything and he still lacks offensive skills.  Lakers are just in their way I guess.

[delfamParticipant]

If you put a scoring PG on the Celtics it would ruin them cause the Big Three wouldn’t get their shots and that offense would be out of rhythm. Rondo has the ability to score but he doesn’t because he knows he helps his team by passing, running the offense, and playing great defense.

[delfamParticipant]

If you put a scoring PG on the Celtics it would ruin them cause the Big Three wouldn’t get their shots and that offense would be out of rhythm. Rondo has the ability to score but he doesn’t because he knows he helps his team by passing, running the offense, and playing great defense.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rose could average more assists if he played with 3 Hall of Famers too and now he has 4 Hall of Famers.  I like Rondo because he is a nice player and can pass and play mad D but even with his flaws Rose would be the tougher match up and better player to have on your team.  Celtics lose a lot games because of offense and Rose would have give Lakers headaches.  Lakers are my team but I am aware of their weaknesses

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rose could average more assists if he played with 3 Hall of Famers too and now he has 4 Hall of Famers.  I like Rondo because he is a nice player and can pass and play mad D but even with his flaws Rose would be the tougher match up and better player to have on your team.  Celtics lose a lot games because of offense and Rose would have give Lakers headaches.  Lakers are my team but I am aware of their weaknesses

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rose is not just a scoring Point guard.  People act like he can’t pass.  He is forced to score on the Bulls because right now they don’t have many people he can pass it to that will finish.  Boozer is hurt.  Noah has limited range.  Korver can shoot but is limited because of bad defense that kills his playing time.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rose is not just a scoring Point guard.  People act like he can’t pass.  He is forced to score on the Bulls because right now they don’t have many people he can pass it to that will finish.  Boozer is hurt.  Noah has limited range.  Korver can shoot but is limited because of bad defense that kills his playing time.

[gregoden08Participant]

I completely agree dude. Rose is a better player. He is an underrated passer and can take over a game. Rondo is a great player, but he is a non existent shooter and HE IS a liability in the 4th quarter when his teammates jumpers aren’t going in.

[gregoden08Participant]

I completely agree dude. Rose is a better player. He is an underrated passer and can take over a game. Rondo is a great player, but he is a non existent shooter and HE IS a liability in the 4th quarter when his teammates jumpers aren’t going in.

[sheltwon3Participant]

People act like Rose can not pass at all when in fact he is a very good passer.  Don’t act like rondo is so much better of a passer because he can’t score at will.  Rose would get easier passes because he can score.  Team would not guard him the same way the do Rondo which would open up passing lanes and driving lanes.  Rondo still gets his passes no doubt because he is very quick and savy but so is Rose.  All Rondo thinks most of the time is pass.  Rose has to do whatever it takes to win even if that means scoring and taking over offensively all by himself.  Rondo does not have to do this.  We will find out what Rondo is really made of when the big 3 get too old and he has some young players and has to take over some games.  I doubt Celtics let it get that bad though.

[sheltwon3Participant]

People act like Rose can not pass at all when in fact he is a very good passer.  Don’t act like rondo is so much better of a passer because he can’t score at will.  Rose would get easier passes because he can score.  Team would not guard him the same way the do Rondo which would open up passing lanes and driving lanes.  Rondo still gets his passes no doubt because he is very quick and savy but so is Rose.  All Rondo thinks most of the time is pass.  Rose has to do whatever it takes to win even if that means scoring and taking over offensively all by himself.  Rondo does not have to do this.  We will find out what Rondo is really made of when the big 3 get too old and he has some young players and has to take over some games.  I doubt Celtics let it get that bad though.

[delfamParticipant]

I’d like to see Rose play with some better players cause I’m still not sure he’d be willing to sacrifice his scoring to get his teammates involved, he hasn’t had the opportunity so I don’t know but I don’t think it go so well.

[delfamParticipant]

I’d like to see Rose play with some better players cause I’m still not sure he’d be willing to sacrifice his scoring to get his teammates involved, he hasn’t had the opportunity so I don’t know but I don’t think it go so well.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Rondo is a great point guard, but he can’t put the ball in the basket. He’s a worse shooter than Jason Kidd was during his young days. Kidd was at least a decent free-throw shooter and not a liability from there in the fourth quarter.

Rondo is a franchise point guard, but he’s not somebody you build your team around. He’s not a center piece.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Rondo is a great point guard, but he can’t put the ball in the basket. He’s a worse shooter than Jason Kidd was during his young days. Kidd was at least a decent free-throw shooter and not a liability from there in the fourth quarter.

Rondo is a franchise point guard, but he’s not somebody you build your team around. He’s not a center piece.

[delfamParticipant]

Rondo can score, he is great at driving to the basket, even without a jumpshot he could score if he wanted to. He doesn’t because it’s not beneficial to his team and that’s what makes a great PG, sacrifing your stats for the team.

[delfamParticipant]

Rondo can score, he is great at driving to the basket, even without a jumpshot he could score if he wanted to. He doesn’t because it’s not beneficial to his team and that’s what makes a great PG, sacrifing your stats for the team.

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