This topic contains 22 replies, has 13 voices, and was last updated by AvatarAvatar nateval 7 years, 5 months ago.

  • Author
    Posts
  • #65160
    AvatarAvatar
    SlickBouncePass
    Participant

     He has a hamstring injury, has been seen working out with Philly staff.

    But he is not at games.  Nobody ever talks about him amongst the media, he’s just sliding under the radar.  Everyday I ask where is he because the Sixers are horrible and they need every player they can get to make it watchable. 

    Colangelo has said there have been no talks whatsoever regarding his contract.

    What are Noel’s options?

    Does he sit for the year?  That would only lower his value for his next contract.  The Sixers would then let him walk.  Does he get paid if he voluntarily sits out the year?

    If he plays, obviously they’d like to trade the disgruntled player rather than let him walk.  He really is not a fit at most places other than Toronto and Golden State, maybe Boston and New Orleans or Washington.  His trade value is pretty low.

    This is a fail on Colangelo’s part.  They got nothing for a guy with so many trade rumours over teh summer.  The Sixers want him as an insurance policy if Embiid gets hurt, but you should have traded him when you could have gotten maximum value.  

    He’s a very good backup center and I actually want to see him fill up minutes for Embiid on the bench.  I think its awesome to have this guy fill in minutes and be another defensive anchor while your star sits.  

    But yeah they will not pay him and he is going to walk.  We got nothing for him.  He did nothing for us being that he is a low impact player.  While his value was high, we should’ve put a package together to try to get Mudiay.  

    I really like Jamal Murray who is showing a really sweet shot, but Denver is stacked with big men, no need for Noel.  Surprisingly, Noel deserves starter money but doesn’t really have many options to sign as a FA.  

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    0
  • #1087530
    AvatarAvatar
    Meditated States
    Participant

     Frustrated with teammates already. 

    0
  • #1087531
    AvatarAvatar
    Meditated States
    Participant

     Frustrated with teammates already. 

    0
  • #1087529
    AvatarAvatar
    Dr.Red
    Participant

    All y’all Philly fans been living by it for years. Unfortunately, now you are dying by it. I take no joy in saying that. I’m dead serious. After the lottery, everyone was so quick to praise Hinkie and his strategy. This is still part of that strategy backfiring. Nobody can make excuses for the poor talent surrounding Simmons and Embiid, et cetera, because Hinkie made sure there was no talent to surround Simmons and Embiid, et cetera. That was the problem with the process, and why it wasn’t to be trusted. Blaming Colangelo is straight up foolish. He did what he could in a terrible situation – not great moves, but nothing bad. I can’t believe you are trying to blame him, of all people. HA! But I digress… Maybe things will eventually turn around for the franchise. I just don’t see it happening too quickly. It will be a few more years before there is any sign of hope in Philly. The pieces don’t fit. There is no balance to the roster. And there is simply a long way to go.

    0
    • #1087538
      AvatarAvatar
      Ebown5
      Participant

      You ding Hinkie for an inability to surround Simmons and Embiid with talent?

      You are glossing over the point that he enabled the organization to snag two potential franchise players in a 3 year period. That is a huge success, and the team is set up terrifically for the future, not to mention that he started in a huge hole.

      No other young team in the league has 2 players of that caliber. The Twolves have 1. The Bucks have 1. The Pelicans have 1. The Magic have zero. The Lakers have zero. etc…

      Next year we are likely to have two more top 8 picks in a terrific draft, and the realistic hope would be that one of those picks turns into a third player of the same caliber. Maybe it will, and maybe it won’t, but any team with healthy 25 year old versions of Embiid and Simmons is going to be a contender.

      We have time to put the right pieces around them. I’m not convinced that Colangelo is the man to do it, but so far so good.

       

       

       

       

        

      0
      • #1087543
        AvatarAvatar
        Dr.Red
        Participant

        Yes, Philly has 2 potential franchise cornerstones in Embiid and Simmons. They also have talented prospects in Saric, Okafor and Noel. That is 5 players that play 2-3 positions. Last time I checked, that does not do too well in the win column. And there is a lot of frustration among and between these players on this roster.

        And I think it is safe to say just about every single GM, player, and person outside of your everyday Philly fan would take the Wolves future over Philly’s any day of the week. Many would take the Bucks, as well. 

         

        0
        • #1087546
          AvatarAvatar
          Ebown5
          Participant

          I’m sure that people WOULD take the Twolves future over ours, but that is because of the tremendous injury cloud hanging over Embiid’s head. Absent that, it is a different story.

          Ok, so there are 5 players that play 2-3 positions. 

          Noel can only play the 5

          Embiid should only play the 5

          Okafor(I think) can play the 4 and 5

          Saric can play the 4 and 3

          Simmons can play the 4 and 3(defensively is what I am referring to with Simmons)

          Embiid, Saric, and Simmons can coexist all day long. Noel needs to go, and Okafor MAY need to go(in a couple of years)

          Even if we have to lose those trades to solve the log jam, we STILL have Embiid and Simmons, and lots of other assets to move. We have an unbalanced roster today, but unbalanced rosters can get balanced quickly after trades. The important thing is that we have a core to build around, and opportunities to add to it, and that comes from Hinkie.

          We are likely to add two of the top 8 players next draft that are currently listed on the mock draft of this site, and they are all wings or guards, other than Giles. 

          You add Tatum, and Smith, or Jackson and Fultz, or whatever combination it turns out to be, and this team takes another leap forward in talent.

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

            

          0
      • #1087544
        AvatarAvatar
        markfitz14
        Participant

        They should have prepared more for this year once they got Simmons. Like you said they got the two cornerstone guys to build around. Get the guys some help around them so they don’t have to play a whole year with terribile players at every position but C. Now Embid will be beasting everynight anf they will still be getting blown out. To me that just kills development. At least have something decent around the cornerstone player. 

        There is no need to tank anymore they have the two guys they Need. Trade him for someone who can hit some threes at SG or SF.

         

        0
        • #1087547
          AvatarAvatar
          Ebown5
          Participant

           The tank is over, and the players that were signed were due to Colangelo, and not Hinkie, so they were not the result of the process that everyone loves to decry. Sergio, Henderson, and Bayless are not long term pieces, but are the types of veterans that we avoided signing over the Hinkie regime. It was precisely the lack of veterans like those guys that made us win 10 games instead of 18-23 or whatever. 

          They aren’t good players, but they will surely reduce the level of chaos surrounding our good prospects.

          As soon as Noel is traded we will very likely have a viable guard or wing to add to the roster this year that will further help.

          We will have high picks next year not because of our own record, although our own record will be bad anyway. We have the Lakers pick top 3 protected, and swap rights with the Kings. There is no longer any incentive to be bad. We are just stuck being bad at the moment because of the hole that we were in.

           

           

           

           

          0
          • #1087551
            AvatarAvatar
            Hype Machine

            Anytime I read a comment like this, I feel like I need to take a shower.

            The post states that "the tank is over". Yet theyre faking injuries and all fans brag about is future high draft picks that somehow arent resulting from 4 years of tanking. 

            In my part of town there is a famous expression. ‘You can’t bull$hit a Bull$hitter’.

            Its time for Philly fans to stop distancing themselves from the black mark they’ve permanently imprinted on the league. Take ownership of it. Its yours forever.

            Shame on Hinkie. Shame on Stern & Silver. And most importantly, Shame on Philly.

            I thought American values involved working hard in the land of opportunity. 

            Who is working hard in Philly to bring them that ring. All I see is lazy shortcuts and gambling.

            Just cos 76ers fans saw Will Smith go from the streets of Philly to the riches of Bel Air by profiting through stupidity, doesnt mean the same goes in the NBA.

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

             

            0
            • #1087562
              AvatarAvatar
              Ebown5
              Participant

              You really have a hard on for the Sixers from the outside, but you have a warped sense of what is going on.

              The tank is over obviously, and we wouldn’t have Bryan Colangelo on board if it wasn’t. You are so wrong about the "faking of injuries" that I don’t even know who you are referring to.

              Simmons? That’s a real injury, and he will be back in January barring complications.

              Okafor? He tweaked his knee guarding Embiid in camp, and is experiencing pain in a place that he had surgery earlier this year so they have been keeping him out of the preseason games. He is likely to be playing in the first regular season game though.

              Noel? If any faking of injuries is going on with him(I don’t think he is faking anything) it would be coming from his camp, and obviously not the Sixers. We need him to be healthy and playing well  to get maximum return on him on the trade market.

              Your other point about Hinkie, and fans needing to distance themselves from the black mark is silly as well. You are projecting on us the feeling of shame, and then accusing us from running from it. I feel no shame whatsoever considering that I wanted us to follow that strategy for a decade before we started to do it. The only shame I feel is that the owners chickened out at the moment of truth, and pushed Hinkie out the door, and replaced him with a used car salesman. Colangelo has made the right decisions so far, and I don’t expect him to fail, but it is going to be pretty hard to fail considering how well he is setup at the moment.

              You can argue that it is a bad thing for the league that team’s are incentivised to tank, but no tanking team feels bad about doing it, or they wouldn’t do it. Drafting in the top 5 is the best way to acquire a superstar, and it has always been that way. Tanks end when stars are drafted, or at least when draft stars show themselves to be progressing towards proving it in the league. Had Embiid been healthy from day 1, then the tank would have ended in the summer of 2015. Of course if Embiid was healthy from day one, we wouldn’t have been able to draft him considering that he would have gone first.

              The NBA is the only sport where tanking is common, but it is uniquely setup to reward tankers. The value of a single superstar in the NBA is FAR more valuable than a single superstar in any other sport. It is the nature of the beast, and it has always been so, and it always will be so.

              So you are against tanking. That’s fine. Don’t let that cloud your judgement of the fruits of the tank. There is no denying the assets acquired over the last few years, and it is all the more remarkable considering that we weren’t starting from zero. We were actually starting from inside a hole. The pick that became Okafor was posessed by the Heat. Our 2017 pick was posessed by the magic. etc…

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

                

              0
  • #1087534
    AvatarAvatar
    binet
    Participant

     Nerlens played on Philadelphia only win.

    Front office must know and have noticed that they play better with him. His attitude so far was understandable and legit. I doubt he became dumb enough overtime to just throw away his career by faking injury or refusing to be part of the team or play, scrimmage, etc…

    We are not hearing about him because there are many other concerns with this team, and the team has not played for several days also.

    Colangelo said he was not discussing a contract extension yet, which does not tell anything but the same wait-and-see attitude he has had from the beginning with the logjam. And some kind of respect for Noel. Like, we 76ers are not signing you until logjam situation is solved.

    Noel lost about any trade value recently with his comments, his contract situation and the sixers urge to trade appearence. Thus, no way he is getting traded, sixers need him with the other two bigs injury-prone and on minutes restrictions more than below average return like a secound-rounder or a player that would be below Gerald Henderson on their rotation.

    76ers best hope to solve their issues is a big show from Okafor in the first 10 games, and not cooling down until a trade offer for him happen, about 20 games into the season. Then, Noel could end up getting his playing time, status, and prolongation. It’s unlikely given Okafor’s injury, Philadelphia overall level during the preseason et al. but it’s their only hope. What the trade would be? Either a package Okafor +1st rounder, Okafor+Korkmaz rights, or all 3 for a starting 3point shooter able to play 2 and 3. Danny Green from the Spurs ? Better players are likely neither in the market or would cost too many assets…

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    0
  • #1087540
    AvatarAvatar
    Hitster
    Participant

    Noel’s comments about there being a logjam at C were a bit stupid, he had effectively said all of him, Oak and Embiid could only play C and this was before Embiid had even played an NBA game. If Coach Brown had been intending to use one of them at PF, this was Noel effectively saying he didn’t think it would work. This may well have put him in Coach Brown’s dog house and there is no way Colangelo would commit serious extension money to Noel in that situation.

    The 76ers could give Noel a low ball offer to see if he would bite especially given his injury issued but they will be reluctant to commit major money to him.

    Noel will be an RFA next summer so if they trade him, he still has good value so Philly don’t have to protect their investment. Teams would be interested in Noel but it may be more as a role player and he may not get the sort of contract that he thinks he may get. But young athletic bigs are in fashion now, look at what Biyombo got this summer. But Noel may have to do what Biyombo did and move on and re-establish his market value.

    0
  • #1087542
    AvatarAvatar
    Illadelph
    Participant

    I think, that Noel is going to turn down any offer the Sixers give him.  He will play out the year and will walk.  If a team gets a high lotto pick (in this case by trading its best talent), sticks him with a roster that sucks and can’t win, then that lotto talent is going to be demoralized.  Especially if said team drafts over him by getting Embiid, Okafor, and then Simmons.  Noel probably won’t care where he goes as long as it is not Philadelphia.

    As far as The Process goes…  In theory it sounds good.  But in practice it has not worked out that well.  Noel for example is a guy that should have been a big part of the future for the Sixers.  Now, he is uber-damaged trade bait.

    And The Process relies on making good lotto picks as a result of all of the losing.  When Philadelphia used a first round pick on Michael Carter Williams,… well I think we see how that worked out.  Sam Hinkie, a devoted BPA kind of guy, picked MCW over Greek Freak.  I mean, MCW over Giannis… Yeah The Process really doesn’t work so well in practice.  I guess all of the Sam Hinkie apologists will say that "Hey 14 other teams passed on Giannis too", but those 14 other teams were not deliberately tanking to get their picks either.  Cleveland had a shittier year than even Philadelphia, and they picked Anthony Bennett with the #1 overall pick!  But the Cavs didn’t delude themselves into thinking that they could build a strong team by tanking year after year in the hopes of getting another #1 overall draft pick either.  They simply accepted that they f***ed up with picking Bennett, then got out the check book and put together a super team of Lebron, Kyrie, Love, etc…

    Sam Hinkie lived in his own deluded analytics world where he thought he would be able to draft better than everyone else, that his players would never get hurt, and you could put a talented player in a hopelessly losing situation for years on end without that player becoming demoralized.  The Process was a failed idea from the get-go, created by Sam Hinkie who was defiant to the end and never admitted that he was wrong.

    I am tired of hearing about the Sixers and The Process.  The Process gave Sixers fans (and the NBA at large) an embarassingly bad team for 2013-2016, and it will probably be the same for 2017 as well.  Anyone who thinks Sam Hinkie should be credited with any success that the Sixers have going forward should also then blame him for all of the many failures of the last few years as well.  A guy like Noel got completely f***ed by Sam Hinkie and his ridiculously conceived, and horribly doomed plan.  If I were Noel, I would get out of that dumpster fire called the Sixers as fast as humanly possible.  And if we read on ESPN in the future that Noel runs into to Sam Hinkie on the street and knocks him the f*** out, we should not be surprised.

    0
  • #1087545
    AvatarAvatar
    markfitz14
    Participant

    Noel for Nick Young

    Get a decent player who can hit threes and has been around for a while so he has experience. 

      

    0
  • #1087550
    AvatarAvatar
    Hype Machine

    The 76ers remind me of the gambling addict whos wife leaves him after he keeps blowing all the food money at the greyhound track.

     

    So Noel leaves for nothing. Ouch.

     

    2017/18 looks like a lockout, which means  Okafor will be a RFA and I dont like Phillys chances of keeping him as Embiids second fiddle. Hardly the most attractive offer for a guy who thinks a lot higher of himself. So he leaves for nothing too. Ouch 

     

    Simmons is potentially out for 2 years given his injury and the lockout. He definitely wont be rushing to sign an extension in year 3 given his endorsement earning potential. Lebron and Rich Paul are in his head. Remember how hard he tried to get drafted by the Lakers? He will get traded at the end of his Rookie year (2019) because the 76ers (imploding badly by this stage) cant afford to let him walk for nothing but will get maybe 60cents on the dollar in a trade. Ouch.

    That just leaves Joel Embiid. Injury prone, and I question his desire to win. He reminds me of D12 and Andrew Bynum. Always goofing around and were born with talent, but never necessarily loved the game and will struggle with the pressure of the NBA. My guess is that he signs an extension with Philly but is constantly battling injury and motivation issues. He will be jaded, disillusioned and could easily be Andrew Bynum 2.0.

    Theres nothing good happening in Philly right now. It will be 10 years before they make the playoffs. Bookmark this thread, and if I’m wrong Ill buy everyone on this forum a hoverboard in 2026.

    0
    • #1087554
      AvatarAvatar
      The Scare Crow Rises
      Participant

      I’d even donate $100 Dollars to any charity you wish (we can even Kick start that Hover Board fund), with the small caveat that you put your money where your mouth is and donate the same amount to the charity of my choosing…

      We can open up the Comment section and allow viewers and forum users to vote on the Winner…

      No Bad Mouthing each other’s country/nationality 

      Just your "Basketball" knowledge against mine

       

      I’d love to know how you plan to talk around your lack of off common NBA facts without the anonymity of this site and your click bait titles and ludicrous statements

      I see you’ve gotten the hive minded users on your side, negatively casting your shadow on this once proud forum (I really miss the Late Night Crew)

      If your willingness to become an Internet Meme grants you the courage to accept my challenge, please reply to…

       

       TheRealScareCrow/InYourMomma’sKitchen@nbadraftnet

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

        

      0
      • #1087556
        AvatarAvatar
        Hype Machine

        What makes you so desperate to compare basketball knowledge with me. I’m not claiming to be the smartest. I bet half the analytics nerds in this forum would wipe the floor with both of us. 

        You see, I bring the game to people from a different perspective. It can’t be measured in numbers or debating prowess. Instead, I possess an observational strength, which results in the ability of enhanced foresight. It comes from both basketball experience, and other skills outside of basketball that I have developed and transfer across.

        This is why I have such a high success rate with my predictions. 

        Just remember, you won’t find this type of content on ESPN, Scouts Honor or Draft Express. 

        You can only get it on nbadraft.net. 

         

         

         

         

         

         

        0
  • #1087553
    AvatarAvatar
    NBAjunkie81
    Participant

     & Embiid……. But Sacramento just comepleted their 10 consectuive losiung season w/ no end in sight & no one says a word….

    The Lakers are getting ready to tank for their 4th consecutive year & it’s Crickets

    Minnesota just finished their 10 consectuive losing season / tank & they finally have a nice core in Wiggins, KAT & Dunn and everyone associated w/ the NBA can’t Slobber over them enough….

    Golden State had a 48 win team in 2008 they decided to dismantle & tanked for 4 straight years averaging about 27 wins per year for those 4 years. They traded or let walk All Star level talent like Byron Davis & Monte Ellis to Draft higher & they took on the bloated contracts of players from team spinned against the salary cap in order to acquire more picks – this led directly to landing Draymond Green

    Philly obviously took this to an extreme but they would argue that the previous mangement forced their hand w/ the Andrew Bynum debacle. No matter how you feel about the "Process" however, Phila did Not reinvent the wheel here.

    The Top 6 teams in the NBA last year ALL used the Exact same formula – suck Really bad to get Lottery picks & hopefully you hit Big on One of them & maybe two & THEN build a team Around those Franchise pieces. 

    Look at the Knicks – they shelved Carmelo in 2014/15′ traded away most of their team & Absolutely Tanked & they landed Porzingus. If they had a 2016 #1 pick they probably Tank again – we have to stop re-inventing History in here. Hinkie – with Nothing to work with, acquired an @ss load of Lottery picks for the Sixers from 2013 thru 2019 & Noel was just the 1st guy they Drafted in their "Process" & Noel is "just a Guy" – he is Not a starter & I seriously doubt they care if they lose him for Nothing b/c they sure have No intention to pay him.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    0
    • #1087555
      AvatarAvatar
      Dr.Red
      Participant

      You make some good points. But some are way off.

      One, there is a big difference between the tanking tactics of Hinkie and just being terribly mismanaged, as the Wolves and Kings had been for so long – and both teams were the laughing stock of the league for years (Kahn was literally a punchline!). There are also differences between a rebuild and creating a terribly toxic environment through trying to be so thoroughly uncompetetive that other teams are complaining to the League about revenue and competitive balance. A team that is bad can be bad without gutting their roster to put up the least amount of talent possible each year. I’m just saying, there are differences. 

      To be fair, was everything Hinkie did a terrible move, NO! He made some really smart decisions. I don’t completely hate him, but he was not a basketball guy and I don’t know if he actually knew what he was doing. And part of the reason Noel wants out is the toxic culture created, in part, by Hinkie’s management. Say what you will about Noel, but he is a talent and he has starter potential – just may not be a franchise changing talent. Last year at this time, I’m pretty sure almost every Philly fan was trying to convince me that Noel was a future perennial DPOY candidate. Now he is "just a guy", eh? Interesting. 

      Now, the comment about the Top 6 teams all did this type of process? Really? Spurs did it? Raptors did it? Hawks did it? Heat did it? I’ll give you OKC. I’ll give you the Cavs, via tank and trade – but the return of the King was the real reason for their rise, though. And if I’m feeling very generous, by a major stretch, I’ll maybe consider GS – but Draymond at 35 in 2012? Barnes at 7 in 2012? Klay at 11 in 2011? Steph at 7 in 2009? That is tank city? I tend to think not. That is rebuilding in the West. Again, there is a difference. And who ever would have said Draymond Green is a can’t miss talent in 2012? Who? Other than Draymond? 

       

       

       

       

      0
  • #1087567
    AvatarAvatar
    ashock34
    Participant

     As much as we Sixer fans want to put the Tank behind us Im afraid that we will be talking about our top five picks next year as well. Its great that Embiid looks so good but losing Ben put a damper on our excitement and doomed us once again to the top of the lottery. Tank by default. I also am reserving judgement on Colangelo being any better than Hinkie. Im a big Hinkie fan but I will admit I grew tired of "The Process" at the end of last year. It is so psinful to watch this team try to shoot. Colangelo’s additions have not improved matters any. Noel will be traded in next few weeks, hopefully for a true outside force. Noel would look great on the Warriors. How bout McCaw for him? I am encouraged to see Embiid and Okafor bonding so well. They seem to genuinely like each other. Back to tank by default. I like that kid Fultz alot and if we are fortunate to be in the position to take Josh then OMG! We may be finally on our way! New Sixer poster will have General Patton driving a tank with "Trust the Process; One more time!" on the flag!

    0
  • #1087608
    AvatarAvatar
    Mr. 19134
    Participant

     These conspiracy theories are something else cuz Noels is legit hurt and will be undergoing surgery that will keep him put another couple weeks.

     

    I do feel like Colangelo dropped the ball on not trading Noels sooner since he is the clear worse fit cuz he cant play PF at all.  Jah could legit start at PF and play like an Aldridge type as his shot has improved a great deal and hes just as athletic.  

     

    At this point I would trade Noels straight up for Terry Rozier and yes Noels is a great fit in Boston hes basically an upgrase of Amir Johnson.

     

     

     

     

    0
    • #1087614
      AvatarAvatar
      nateval
      Participant

       A few months ago Noel for Rozier sounded good but now Rozier has really shown that he will be a big part of what they do this season. Not saying Boston wouldn’t do it just saying I bet they wouldn’t be so quick to pull the trigger. Noel will get overpaid by someone next year. No doubt Noel’s stock is down

      0

You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Login