[ropeParticipant]

 

I have never really gotten the Noel thing. He is springy and I think he could be a complimentary player in some systems, but he has no offensive skills, really, in an era where that is becoming a requirement at every position. You can’t hide him against a good team. In classsic NBADRAFT.NET style, I am saying ceiling is Marcus Camby, but I really think we are looking at Samuel Dalembert.

 

[IlladelphParticipant]

 disagree.  It’s hard to evaluate his true value when he has been sentenced to Sam Hinkie hell.  Imagine him on a team with good guards, no just decent guards.  He would have much better off numbers.  Now teams just crowd him on every possession.  Iffensive upside not as high as okafor but better than we have seen.  He has way more upside than Dalembert but if he had Camby’s offensive output with his already excellent D then he would be an all-star.

[IlladelphParticipant]

 disagree.  It’s hard to evaluate his true value when he has been sentenced to Sam Hinkie hell.  Imagine him on a team with good guards, no just decent guards.  He would have much better off numbers.  Now teams just crowd him on every possession.  Iffensive upside not as high as okafor but better than we have seen.  He has way more upside than Dalembert but if he had Camby’s offensive output with his already excellent D then he would be an all-star.

[surveParticipant]

 he has regressed due to losing Ish Smith.  that was a terrible move.  Noel was in a good place mentally with Ish.  think of what you do to the psyche of a player.  his early development is critical and that move showed me they were not interested in development….only tanking.  Noel went wild with Ish in the lineup.  Just think if he played with some All-Star caliber guards.  I can say from the glimpses we have seen from him, he definitely has All Star potential.

[surveParticipant]

 he has regressed due to losing Ish Smith.  that was a terrible move.  Noel was in a good place mentally with Ish.  think of what you do to the psyche of a player.  his early development is critical and that move showed me they were not interested in development….only tanking.  Noel went wild with Ish in the lineup.  Just think if he played with some All-Star caliber guards.  I can say from the glimpses we have seen from him, he definitely has All Star potential.

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 still really like this kid’s talent….. I watched him absolutely go to war w/ Boogie Cousins twice at the end of last year & he never backed down….

I agree losing Ish Smith hurt his development – in the 25 to 30 games after the MCW trade, Noel averaged 13.5 points, 10.5 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 2.3 steals & 2.5 blocks on 50% FG%…..

Remember this kid is still Only 21 years old & he missed practically 2 Full seasons b/c of injury in 2012 & 2013 (Kentucky & year 1 w/ the Sixers…..) He won’t turn 22 until the end of April 2016!

Phila has two D-League guards starting & they have already stopped playing Noel & Okafor together…. The coaching staff does not run a Single play for Noel….. So it’s predictable that his Defense is suffering as well……. 

Marshall & Wroten will returm this week, I think Noel should get back to his old self w/ Marshal who is a real NBA player….

Noel really needs to get out of Phila… remember they traded for Noel in 2013 & then if Cleveland doesn’t find that broken bone in Embiid’s foot & the Lakers don’t pass on Okafor, Noel would be w/ Andrew Wiggins & D’Angelo Russell in a run & gun fast paced small ball transition line up….

He’s never going to do much in the traditional back to the basket post on Offense….  but imagine Noel w/ Orlando or Indiana – he is absolutely a Legit 6’11” he’s an explosive leaper & shot blocker, he runs the floor, he has a beautiful Lefty dribble drive, he’s an excellent passer for a big man & he finished in the NBA Top 10 for Steals & Blocks last season….

I am not saying he’s a star – not even an All Star….. But I would Luv to see Noel on a team built for speed & transition, looking to create turn overs & run the floor…. He’s languishing in Phila & he is completely regressing…. "Free Nerlens Noel!…"

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 still really like this kid’s talent….. I watched him absolutely go to war w/ Boogie Cousins twice at the end of last year & he never backed down….

I agree losing Ish Smith hurt his development – in the 25 to 30 games after the MCW trade, Noel averaged 13.5 points, 10.5 rebounds, 2.1 assists, 2.3 steals & 2.5 blocks on 50% FG%…..

Remember this kid is still Only 21 years old & he missed practically 2 Full seasons b/c of injury in 2012 & 2013 (Kentucky & year 1 w/ the Sixers…..) He won’t turn 22 until the end of April 2016!

Phila has two D-League guards starting & they have already stopped playing Noel & Okafor together…. The coaching staff does not run a Single play for Noel….. So it’s predictable that his Defense is suffering as well……. 

Marshall & Wroten will returm this week, I think Noel should get back to his old self w/ Marshal who is a real NBA player….

Noel really needs to get out of Phila… remember they traded for Noel in 2013 & then if Cleveland doesn’t find that broken bone in Embiid’s foot & the Lakers don’t pass on Okafor, Noel would be w/ Andrew Wiggins & D’Angelo Russell in a run & gun fast paced small ball transition line up….

He’s never going to do much in the traditional back to the basket post on Offense….  but imagine Noel w/ Orlando or Indiana – he is absolutely a Legit 6’11” he’s an explosive leaper & shot blocker, he runs the floor, he has a beautiful Lefty dribble drive, he’s an excellent passer for a big man & he finished in the NBA Top 10 for Steals & Blocks last season….

I am not saying he’s a star – not even an All Star….. But I would Luv to see Noel on a team built for speed & transition, looking to create turn overs & run the floor…. He’s languishing in Phila & he is completely regressing…. "Free Nerlens Noel!…"

 

 

 

 

 

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

I’ll say it’s been a little disappointing season thus far for Nerlens. Especially showing his promise last year where he finished in both top 10 in blocks and steals, I was looking forward to him having a “Ben Wallace” type of impact. And it should be noted that he has had some injuries this year and other reasons for a lack of a PG getting him the ball (damn, I miss Ish Smith sometimes). I never expected him to be a 15ppg scorer for us but I pictured him being the anchor of a defensive minded team and provide great protection around the rim. Unfortunately, I think the conclusion that is starting to progress this year is that Nerlens needs to play Center and Okafor needs to play Center. They’re not working out as well as I had hoped. Truth be told. there are instances where I Richaun Holmes has complimented Nerlens or Okafor much better.

With that being said, unless there is a major trade that we cannot simply refuse, I hope to keep Nerlens for the long haul. I think he still has great potential. Marcus Camby isn’t a bad fit. A slightly better Tyson Chandler seems reasonable too. I have to wait to see him playing with more NBA talent before I can determine because right now, it’s frustrating for everyone.

Sidenote: EMBIID!!! MY GOD. I know, it’s just an 11 second clip below but holy T-Rex this guy is looking huge. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let this guy become a star that we desperately need. We’ll figure out the big man situation later lol

https://twitter.com/sportsdirecttv/status/675074938940862464

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

I’ll say it’s been a little disappointing season thus far for Nerlens. Especially showing his promise last year where he finished in both top 10 in blocks and steals, I was looking forward to him having a “Ben Wallace” type of impact. And it should be noted that he has had some injuries this year and other reasons for a lack of a PG getting him the ball (damn, I miss Ish Smith sometimes). I never expected him to be a 15ppg scorer for us but I pictured him being the anchor of a defensive minded team and provide great protection around the rim. Unfortunately, I think the conclusion that is starting to progress this year is that Nerlens needs to play Center and Okafor needs to play Center. They’re not working out as well as I had hoped. Truth be told. there are instances where I Richaun Holmes has complimented Nerlens or Okafor much better.

With that being said, unless there is a major trade that we cannot simply refuse, I hope to keep Nerlens for the long haul. I think he still has great potential. Marcus Camby isn’t a bad fit. A slightly better Tyson Chandler seems reasonable too. I have to wait to see him playing with more NBA talent before I can determine because right now, it’s frustrating for everyone.

Sidenote: EMBIID!!! MY GOD. I know, it’s just an 11 second clip below but holy T-Rex this guy is looking huge. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let this guy become a star that we desperately need. We’ll figure out the big man situation later lol

https://twitter.com/sportsdirecttv/status/675074938940862464

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I’m sure his ankles will love his new size!!!

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I’m sure his ankles will love his new size!!!

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

LOL .. I was wondering if maybe he has bulked up too much and how that’ll affect him. But then I just started day dreaming of someone with Dwight Howard size knocking down jumpshots. Let me believe!! haha

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

LOL .. I was wondering if maybe he has bulked up too much and how that’ll affect him. But then I just started day dreaming of someone with Dwight Howard size knocking down jumpshots. Let me believe!! haha

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I hope he can stay healthy.  One of the few players in recent memory that just left me amazed by stuff he would do in College.

And he’s a social media pro.

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I hope he can stay healthy.  One of the few players in recent memory that just left me amazed by stuff he would do in College.

And he’s a social media pro.

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Come on man…. I am thinking Shaq-Hakeem hybrid with all that beef!

 

 

I know i’m being unreasonable, but maybe thats his ceiling with that size.  We should start praying every night for his health, and if he pans out, I’d trade Okafor any day.  Love Embiid.  About his ankles, he’s a soccer player, he has to have strong leg musculature.  I’m pretty sure if he’s that beefy they have him working out his legs too.

Noel and Okafor just isn’t working.  Noel doesn’t have all-star potential to me.  He’s a bit undersized length-wise and obviously his lack of strength limits him from being anything more than a shot deterrer-blocker, he can’t realy handle the big boys.  He needs to be versatile enough and get comfortable away from the bucket and know when to crash in the middle.  I think he’s most comfortable under the basket, but Okafor can’t play anywhere else.  Based on that video I just saw, this is the B-team anyway.  Trade ’em away, go to work Mr. Colangelo!!!

 

For all the attention the Sixers are getting, the Knicks went from horrible to decent, last year the Knicks were getting ripped apart.  Somehow the Lakers manage to avoid all the criticism, even though they are so piss poor.  All this "what are they doing to these players I feel so bad for them", next year things are going to change.  

 

 

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Come on man…. I am thinking Shaq-Hakeem hybrid with all that beef!

 

 

I know i’m being unreasonable, but maybe thats his ceiling with that size.  We should start praying every night for his health, and if he pans out, I’d trade Okafor any day.  Love Embiid.  About his ankles, he’s a soccer player, he has to have strong leg musculature.  I’m pretty sure if he’s that beefy they have him working out his legs too.

Noel and Okafor just isn’t working.  Noel doesn’t have all-star potential to me.  He’s a bit undersized length-wise and obviously his lack of strength limits him from being anything more than a shot deterrer-blocker, he can’t realy handle the big boys.  He needs to be versatile enough and get comfortable away from the bucket and know when to crash in the middle.  I think he’s most comfortable under the basket, but Okafor can’t play anywhere else.  Based on that video I just saw, this is the B-team anyway.  Trade ’em away, go to work Mr. Colangelo!!!

 

For all the attention the Sixers are getting, the Knicks went from horrible to decent, last year the Knicks were getting ripped apart.  Somehow the Lakers manage to avoid all the criticism, even though they are so piss poor.  All this "what are they doing to these players I feel so bad for them", next year things are going to change.  

 

 

 

 

  

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Philly fans seem more concerned about having another team be in the same boat, or criticized as much as their team as they do anything else.  This is like the 1000th time I have seen a Philly fan want the Lakers to get ripped, or put in the same category as them… but they are not equals.  Lakers don’t draft injured players and Euros specifically because they won’t play.  The Lakers have more than 3 NBA players on their roster.  Though they don’t have an NBA coach.

There is no comparison between the two franchises… in past or present.

2 of the 3 will need to go once they figure out if Embiid will ever stay on a court.  Embiid is a nice combination of the both of them so he would be my pick.  

Neither one will ever be able to play with the other though so I would give up that dream as a 76ers fan.  Embiid won’t be able to play with Noel or Okafor.  Noel won’t be able to play with Embiid or Okafor.  And Okafor won’t be able to play with Embiid or Noel.  

Luckily they have Saric who will play PF well next to 2 of the 3 anyways.

They are all 3 starting caliber centers.  But they are all centers.  Playing any one of them at PF will not be a good use of their skill.

 

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Philly fans seem more concerned about having another team be in the same boat, or criticized as much as their team as they do anything else.  This is like the 1000th time I have seen a Philly fan want the Lakers to get ripped, or put in the same category as them… but they are not equals.  Lakers don’t draft injured players and Euros specifically because they won’t play.  The Lakers have more than 3 NBA players on their roster.  Though they don’t have an NBA coach.

There is no comparison between the two franchises… in past or present.

2 of the 3 will need to go once they figure out if Embiid will ever stay on a court.  Embiid is a nice combination of the both of them so he would be my pick.  

Neither one will ever be able to play with the other though so I would give up that dream as a 76ers fan.  Embiid won’t be able to play with Noel or Okafor.  Noel won’t be able to play with Embiid or Okafor.  And Okafor won’t be able to play with Embiid or Noel.  

Luckily they have Saric who will play PF well next to 2 of the 3 anyways.

They are all 3 starting caliber centers.  But they are all centers.  Playing any one of them at PF will not be a good use of their skill.

 

 

 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 WOW thanks for the clip I hadn’t seen that. He looks like a totally different person! Embid use to be thin and ripped. That is the body of a center right there. Which I still think is Embids problem. He just dosent have enough skill to play PF along side of Oak. He likes to be the defensive anchor at the Center position. Some guys just can’t play both positions. Of course coaching style and scheme can make a big difference. So it is hard to judge with how they are using him. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 WOW thanks for the clip I hadn’t seen that. He looks like a totally different person! Embid use to be thin and ripped. That is the body of a center right there. Which I still think is Embids problem. He just dosent have enough skill to play PF along side of Oak. He likes to be the defensive anchor at the Center position. Some guys just can’t play both positions. Of course coaching style and scheme can make a big difference. So it is hard to judge with how they are using him. 

[herceg_bukuParticipant]

 Marcus Camby is a bad example because marcus actually had a very very solid mid range jump shot, even though it was hideous to look at that form. Noel is a poor version of stromile swift in my opinion.

[herceg_bukuParticipant]

 Marcus Camby is a bad example because marcus actually had a very very solid mid range jump shot, even though it was hideous to look at that form. Noel is a poor version of stromile swift in my opinion.

[ropeParticipant]

 That’s why I compare him more to Dalembert at this point.

[ropeParticipant]

 That’s why I compare him more to Dalembert at this point.

[tuck243Participant]

Simply as put…  I’m not putting this on Nerlens or Jahlil…  I think both can work together if they had players around them that can get them the ball in the right spots.   It doesn’t matter if The Dream is down there, if they’re not touching the rock it’s impossible to do anything.  We’ve all said the 76ers refuse to go to Jahlil in the 4th Quarter, why would it be any different for Noel?   On top of that, TRYING to lose isn’t gonna sit well with players.   It’s hard to get up and do ANY job if you’re set up to fail, no matter how much money you make.  Especially when you look at 29 other teams that you can potentially be on and not have to worry about this crap.   A lot of people talk about "Well they get millions, I’ll lose for that contract"  But when you’re good enough to go to other teams and produce for the SAME amount of money, why wouldn’t that be depressing?  

Stats and metrics doesn’t account for the mental and emotional aspect of basketball.   Treating players like assests rather than people first should be a losing battle.   I have no respect for what Hinkie is doing and I hope they eventually fire his a$$ if/or when they get good.  He deserves no admiration for anything.   

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

Simply as put…  I’m not putting this on Nerlens or Jahlil…  I think both can work together if they had players around them that can get them the ball in the right spots.   It doesn’t matter if The Dream is down there, if they’re not touching the rock it’s impossible to do anything.  We’ve all said the 76ers refuse to go to Jahlil in the 4th Quarter, why would it be any different for Noel?   On top of that, TRYING to lose isn’t gonna sit well with players.   It’s hard to get up and do ANY job if you’re set up to fail, no matter how much money you make.  Especially when you look at 29 other teams that you can potentially be on and not have to worry about this crap.   A lot of people talk about "Well they get millions, I’ll lose for that contract"  But when you’re good enough to go to other teams and produce for the SAME amount of money, why wouldn’t that be depressing?  

Stats and metrics doesn’t account for the mental and emotional aspect of basketball.   Treating players like assests rather than people first should be a losing battle.   I have no respect for what Hinkie is doing and I hope they eventually fire his a$$ if/or when they get good.  He deserves no admiration for anything.   

 

  

[GronounoursParticipant]

 I don’t think Hinkie is the main culprit. The system is rotten. It makes no sense for an average team to play hard. Better to tank so as to hit the jackpot. It’s ridiculous, really. 

[GronounoursParticipant]

 I don’t think Hinkie is the main culprit. The system is rotten. It makes no sense for an average team to play hard. Better to tank so as to hit the jackpot. It’s ridiculous, really. 

[tuck243Participant]

Why would players who’ve competed all their lives, stop competing?   The sad part of all this is it’s probably guys like you who call Melo lazy.   It bullish to expect players to be comfortable with losing on purpose.    It’s also crap to expect Noel to produce in this type of enviorment.   He’s not offensively skilled enough to get points by himself.  And he didn’t select Okafor or Embiid when the GM KNEW they all played the Center position as their natural position.   

[tuck243Participant]

Why would players who’ve competed all their lives, stop competing?   The sad part of all this is it’s probably guys like you who call Melo lazy.   It bullish to expect players to be comfortable with losing on purpose.    It’s also crap to expect Noel to produce in this type of enviorment.   He’s not offensively skilled enough to get points by himself.  And he didn’t select Okafor or Embiid when the GM KNEW they all played the Center position as their natural position.   

[holefillers1Participant]

 Nerlens is not a PF he is a Center. When he plays underneath the basket he alters shots and disrupts passing lanes. He can also play pick and roll on the other end. Right now the two biggest things holding him back are the Sixers playing him out of position and the fact that he plays like he has brick mittens on his hands.

[holefillers1Participant]

 Nerlens is not a PF he is a Center. When he plays underneath the basket he alters shots and disrupts passing lanes. He can also play pick and roll on the other end. Right now the two biggest things holding him back are the Sixers playing him out of position and the fact that he plays like he has brick mittens on his hands.

[markfitz14Participant]

 Agreed he is a much better fit at C. Sixers might have to plan on Keepking Oak. Trade Noel to one of the other teams with a top pick maybe Boston or however is willing between 2 and 5. Play Embid next year and see what hes got. Then draft Simmons depending on there pick and Brown. Or Brown and Ingram or Murray. But they could prbly draft a nice wing or PG by trading Noel.

[markfitz14Participant]

 Agreed he is a much better fit at C. Sixers might have to plan on Keepking Oak. Trade Noel to one of the other teams with a top pick maybe Boston or however is willing between 2 and 5. Play Embid next year and see what hes got. Then draft Simmons depending on there pick and Brown. Or Brown and Ingram or Murray. But they could prbly draft a nice wing or PG by trading Noel.

[natevalParticipant]

 What is Noel worth right now? I’m a Boston fan I wouldn’t give up Smart or the Nets 1st rounder for Noel.

[natevalParticipant]

 What is Noel worth right now? I’m a Boston fan I wouldn’t give up Smart or the Nets 1st rounder for Noel.

[MatosParticipant]

 Sounds about right. 

[MatosParticipant]

 Sounds about right. 

[ropeParticipant]

 A guy with "brick mittens" for hands doesn’t sound like anything worth depending on.  

Even if they play him at center, he isn’t going to develop into an all star.

I think one of the things with this site are that people get invested in these players so early and want their favorites to succeed so badly that they see glimmers of potential and extrapolate it into bigger and better things.

 

 

 

[ropeParticipant]

 A guy with "brick mittens" for hands doesn’t sound like anything worth depending on.  

Even if they play him at center, he isn’t going to develop into an all star.

I think one of the things with this site are that people get invested in these players so early and want their favorites to succeed so badly that they see glimmers of potential and extrapolate it into bigger and better things.

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 I never understood this.  A position label doesn’t determine what a player’s offensive role is.  The position for the most part is who he defends.  I can’t imagine Noel with his stick figure frame, battling night in night out vs bigger, bulkier players without any long term repurcussions.  He is a twig who already loses most leverage battles vs PFs, yet he should be battling with C’s? Please.  If Anthony Davis, who’s smilarly slightly built, but with a better frame, is best matched up physically with PFs, then so is Noel.

There is no reason for Noel to not be an effective defender at the PF position.  You lose some of his shot-blocking at the rim, but you gain his ability to rove in space, use his lateral quicks to help, disrupt in the lanes AND he gets a head start in transition (should he start recognize opps to leak out and run hard.)  Offensively, yes he’d be better off if he was closer to the basket in a position for garbage buckets, but is what is good for the goose good for the gander?  Who would you rather have occupying the paint and playing closer to the basket, Okafor or Noel? Who would you rather have in the PnR 2 man game? Okafor, who can actually set wide screens, has great hands and skill off the catch or "brick mittens" Nerlens?

I’ll go ahead and reiterate what I said of Nerlens out of college.  He’s terrible offensively, that much is pretty obvious.  He has zero skill or feel for the game outside of the occasional pass or left hand drive. His touch is bad, as is his shooting form (still gets left thumb on the ball and slingshots it), footwork and he’s not always active.  If a player is athletic, slithery and agile as he is, there is no reason for him NOT to be active on the offensive glass.  Him not being a guy that gets fed shouldn’t stop him from moving, presenting a target or getting early position for o-boards. His o-board rate is below 7% atm which is unacceptable for someone as athletic as he is.  I’ll also go ahead and say that he’s overrated defensively too, primarily because he loses almost every single leverage battle, he still gambles a lot and he can be manipulated (still gets up-faked out of his shoes).  One of the first memories I have of Noel this year was him trying to defend a Kevin Love post up.  Love caught the ball fairly deep on Noel, took 1 power dribble and Noel was literally removed from the scene.  Love knocked him 3-4 feet back for an easy uncontested baby hook.  Love did this to him and yet ya’ll want him defending C’s?? It’s obvious he needs to get stronger, but I look at his frame especially his chicken legs and I wonder how much he can actually improve in that department.

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 I never understood this.  A position label doesn’t determine what a player’s offensive role is.  The position for the most part is who he defends.  I can’t imagine Noel with his stick figure frame, battling night in night out vs bigger, bulkier players without any long term repurcussions.  He is a twig who already loses most leverage battles vs PFs, yet he should be battling with C’s? Please.  If Anthony Davis, who’s smilarly slightly built, but with a better frame, is best matched up physically with PFs, then so is Noel.

There is no reason for Noel to not be an effective defender at the PF position.  You lose some of his shot-blocking at the rim, but you gain his ability to rove in space, use his lateral quicks to help, disrupt in the lanes AND he gets a head start in transition (should he start recognize opps to leak out and run hard.)  Offensively, yes he’d be better off if he was closer to the basket in a position for garbage buckets, but is what is good for the goose good for the gander?  Who would you rather have occupying the paint and playing closer to the basket, Okafor or Noel? Who would you rather have in the PnR 2 man game? Okafor, who can actually set wide screens, has great hands and skill off the catch or "brick mittens" Nerlens?

I’ll go ahead and reiterate what I said of Nerlens out of college.  He’s terrible offensively, that much is pretty obvious.  He has zero skill or feel for the game outside of the occasional pass or left hand drive. His touch is bad, as is his shooting form (still gets left thumb on the ball and slingshots it), footwork and he’s not always active.  If a player is athletic, slithery and agile as he is, there is no reason for him NOT to be active on the offensive glass.  Him not being a guy that gets fed shouldn’t stop him from moving, presenting a target or getting early position for o-boards. His o-board rate is below 7% atm which is unacceptable for someone as athletic as he is.  I’ll also go ahead and say that he’s overrated defensively too, primarily because he loses almost every single leverage battle, he still gambles a lot and he can be manipulated (still gets up-faked out of his shoes).  One of the first memories I have of Noel this year was him trying to defend a Kevin Love post up.  Love caught the ball fairly deep on Noel, took 1 power dribble and Noel was literally removed from the scene.  Love knocked him 3-4 feet back for an easy uncontested baby hook.  Love did this to him and yet ya’ll want him defending C’s?? It’s obvious he needs to get stronger, but I look at his frame especially his chicken legs and I wonder how much he can actually improve in that department.

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Would depend on the pick if it is 4 or 5 yeah I would trade it for Noel. He would look a lot better as a rim protector on the Celtics. Next year, could step in right away with 2 years NBA experience. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Would depend on the pick if it is 4 or 5 yeah I would trade it for Noel. He would look a lot better as a rim protector on the Celtics. Next year, could step in right away with 2 years NBA experience. 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

 I’ll give Noel for the Nets pick.  Allows us to get a player that can play better with the two traditional centers we have.  

The three center thing is not going to work, clearly.  

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

 I’ll give Noel for the Nets pick.  Allows us to get a player that can play better with the two traditional centers we have.  

The three center thing is not going to work, clearly.  

 

[natevalParticipant]

 Philly is kind of in a tough position with Noel. Okafor and him don’t look good together and Embiid should be back next year. Philly almost has to trade someone. Out of teams expecting to draft in the top 5 area would any of them give up the pick for Noel? Take a look at the top 10 as of now

Philly

Lakers

NO

Bos

Sac 

Denver

Portland 

Minn

Phoneix

Mil

Do any of these teams give up their pick? Maybe the Bucks? I like Noel and think he would be a nice fit in Boston but at the end of the day he still isn’t an offensive threat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[natevalParticipant]

 Philly is kind of in a tough position with Noel. Okafor and him don’t look good together and Embiid should be back next year. Philly almost has to trade someone. Out of teams expecting to draft in the top 5 area would any of them give up the pick for Noel? Take a look at the top 10 as of now

Philly

Lakers

NO

Bos

Sac 

Denver

Portland 

Minn

Phoneix

Mil

Do any of these teams give up their pick? Maybe the Bucks? I like Noel and think he would be a nice fit in Boston but at the end of the day he still isn’t an offensive threat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[apb540Participant]

Nerlens Noel is a very good at rim protecting, stealing the basketball in anyway possible, and running the floor. He is above-average at rebounding, on-ball defense, and finishing in the lane. His jumper is average-to-below, depending on the game, and all of his offensive moves don’t even get a grade from me because they are so odd, awkward, and not overly effective. 

Noel is on his rookie contract through 2017-18, at which time he will become a RFA at the age of 24. So what is this kind of a player worth to a team? Obviously it always depends on that team and their needs, but I would have to believe that Noel is looked at very favorably around the league. However, the tough part comes when trying to decide what would be fair value in return for him, and I really don’t think any of us on here could possibly know since we don’t work in the front office of an NBA team. Sure we could say "I’d give up this pick" or "I’d trade away player X", but with such a dynamic and controversial player, I belive that opinions would be incredibly wide-ranging from GM to GM. 

 

[apb540Participant]

Nerlens Noel is a very good at rim protecting, stealing the basketball in anyway possible, and running the floor. He is above-average at rebounding, on-ball defense, and finishing in the lane. His jumper is average-to-below, depending on the game, and all of his offensive moves don’t even get a grade from me because they are so odd, awkward, and not overly effective. 

Noel is on his rookie contract through 2017-18, at which time he will become a RFA at the age of 24. So what is this kind of a player worth to a team? Obviously it always depends on that team and their needs, but I would have to believe that Noel is looked at very favorably around the league. However, the tough part comes when trying to decide what would be fair value in return for him, and I really don’t think any of us on here could possibly know since we don’t work in the front office of an NBA team. Sure we could say "I’d give up this pick" or "I’d trade away player X", but with such a dynamic and controversial player, I belive that opinions would be incredibly wide-ranging from GM to GM. 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Would Lakers trade Clarkson for Noel?

Not suggesting it…just trying to judge perceived value.

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 This Lakers fan would in a heartbeat.  Both fit a need for both teams.  But that is a big reach.  No way the 76ers would be on board for that.  

Even though I know Clarkson isn’t the typical good stats on a bad team guy as some would suggest.  It’s easier to find a guard that does what he does than to find someone like Noel.

But sign me up.

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 This Lakers fan would in a heartbeat.  Both fit a need for both teams.  But that is a big reach.  No way the 76ers would be on board for that.  

Even though I know Clarkson isn’t the typical good stats on a bad team guy as some would suggest.  It’s easier to find a guard that does what he does than to find someone like Noel.

But sign me up.

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Would Lakers trade Clarkson for Noel?

Not suggesting it…just trying to judge perceived value.

 

[CobraParticipant]

Noel is set up for failure. He can’t make the same defensive impact at PF that he can at C. There’s no PG to run the pick and roll with him and Okafor clogs the lane. The team also insits on force feeding him on isolation plays, jump shots, and post ups. His failures in those areas are leading to inefficiency and hurting the perception of him amongst fans. He wasn’t drafted to do that stuff. He was drafted for his brilliant defensive potential. He should be used strictly as a finisher on offense. He also has a damn good eye for passing and a high BBIQ. Comparing him to Dalembert is an insult. He’s also been nagged by knee tendinitis.

[ropeParticipant]

 Dalembert was in the top 10 in rebounding 7 times, so a comparison to him is hardly an insult.

If you are using knee problems as a reason that he hasn’t had quite the impact he was supposed to, are you imaging that this is going to get better.  He had two knee reconstructions by 20.  Now he has tendonitis.  Holding up a 7 foot frame.  That is actually one more reason why he won’t reach the potential people expected.

 

 

[ropeParticipant]

 Dalembert was in the top 10 in rebounding 7 times, so a comparison to him is hardly an insult.

If you are using knee problems as a reason that he hasn’t had quite the impact he was supposed to, are you imaging that this is going to get better.  He had two knee reconstructions by 20.  Now he has tendonitis.  Holding up a 7 foot frame.  That is actually one more reason why he won’t reach the potential people expected.

 

 

[CobraParticipant]

Tendinitis heals. He’s been looking more bouncey lately, so no worries there. The defensive impact Noel had last year was greater than anything Dalembert had in Philly. I watched them over the course of their Sixers careers, the BBIQ difference between the two players is wider than the grand canyon. IDK if you’re big into advanced stats, but Dalembert never posted a BPM or VORP in his career higher than what Noel posted as a rookie.

[CobraParticipant]

Tendinitis heals. He’s been looking more bouncey lately, so no worries there. The defensive impact Noel had last year was greater than anything Dalembert had in Philly. I watched them over the course of their Sixers careers, the BBIQ difference between the two players is wider than the grand canyon. IDK if you’re big into advanced stats, but Dalembert never posted a BPM or VORP in his career higher than what Noel posted as a rookie.

[CobraParticipant]

Noel is set up for failure. He can’t make the same defensive impact at PF that he can at C. There’s no PG to run the pick and roll with him and Okafor clogs the lane. The team also insits on force feeding him on isolation plays, jump shots, and post ups. His failures in those areas are leading to inefficiency and hurting the perception of him amongst fans. He wasn’t drafted to do that stuff. He was drafted for his brilliant defensive potential. He should be used strictly as a finisher on offense. He also has a damn good eye for passing and a high BBIQ. Comparing him to Dalembert is an insult. He’s also been nagged by knee tendinitis.

[UncledrewParticipant]

Nerlens is good at the things he does well like protecting the Rim, rebounding the basketball and finishing open dunks however his offensively game is built around oppurtunistic plays around the rim, in short he can’t create his own offense. He’s very similar to a Joakim Noah type player, 6’11 and hustles defensively. He will retain value because of his size and rim protection but Imo he’s the ideal 3rd big on a championship level front line.

[UncledrewParticipant]

Nerlens is good at the things he does well like protecting the Rim, rebounding the basketball and finishing open dunks however his offensively game is built around oppurtunistic plays around the rim, in short he can’t create his own offense. He’s very similar to a Joakim Noah type player, 6’11 and hustles defensively. He will retain value because of his size and rim protection but Imo he’s the ideal 3rd big on a championship level front line.

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